Liverpool Rumours Archive August 04 2021

 

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04 Aug 2021 19:44:43
I've read from two separate sources now that klopp isn't happy at Liverpool. Is this true and if so is it down to lack of funds?

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04 Aug 2021 20:07:59
What sources?

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04 Aug 2021 20:23:14
Holy jesus this again, like the time he was resigning. All a load of crap.

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04 Aug 2021 20:48:04
Pegleg hop along now.

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04 Aug 2021 20:57:13
Well known, well to 1 person on here anyway, that he went on strike last summer to make sure Thiago was signed.

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04 Aug 2021 21:02:30
OP, that was about two weeks ago. Try to keep up or whoever is teasing you need to get up to speed with the fabricated rubbish he is peddling.

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04 Aug 2021 21:03:07
Red and brown sources?

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04 Aug 2021 21:04:53
I'll hazard a guess and say that at least one of those sources and probably both were Tw@tter.
Which means obviously it must be true, along with the 350 players that we're definitely signing this window.

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04 Aug 2021 21:46:10
All these players Klopp signed are signing long termers because he’s unhappy err!

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05 Aug 2021 04:50:38
Exactly. How can the club sanction new 4-6 year contracts for virtually half the team with Klopp unhappy (and the club would know it if he was)? If anything, it can even indicate he will extend his own deal. It's a huge risk re-signing all these players and having a new manager come in and wanting players of his own choice.

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05 Aug 2021 08:08:53
Players will sign contracts for the club not always the manager, he probably isn't 100% happy, he does miracles on a tiny budget and hardly gets backing when delivering, he has hinted before about lack of money but it's ok FSG saved us.

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{Ed0666's Note - it’s not as if he’s operating on a meager budget. It’s a simple fact we can’t financially compete with Man city, Psg, Chelsea, United et al. But I can’t see klopp at any of these clubs either.

05 Aug 2021 08:35:20
this has to be a wind up right? everybody moans about budget or klopp working with nothing the club have pretty much given him everything he has asked for.

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05 Aug 2021 09:02:12
Klopp must be really unhappy - In recent years he has signed one of the worlds best CB’s and GK, Thiago, Jota, Fabhino, Keita, not worked out but the outlay was wasn’t cheap -, not to mention Ox, Mané and Salah earlier.

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05 Aug 2021 10:52:07
Yet after the first 14 players maybe we are very short, it's not like Liverpool are a mid table, unheard of side, we are literally one of the biggest going and the restraints we have to improve the squad are worrying, don't get how it's accepted this way, we could of won the League and more at least once with real backing and strong additions, maybe i'm too ambitious and supporting the wrong people, i'll support FSG instead of the side then.

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05 Aug 2021 11:08:57
You must have had many a sleepless night under the previous ownerships. 30 years wait for a league title ring any bells. FSG might not be the best owners but they’re certainly mot the worst and have done more for us than Moore’s and party did in the years they had the club! New main stand, groaning ground, annie road end work has begun.

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05 Aug 2021 12:08:39
You won't win that debate Drogie, too many of our fanbase are caught up in the #FSGOut nonsense and have zero perspective on the club finances.

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05 Aug 2021 15:54:00
Some of that just sounds like paranoid babble. Like it or not, City were found not guilty. LFC/ FSG are trying to run a business in line with the FFP restrictions and by trying not to spend significantly more than their income, which is eminently sensible.

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04 Aug 2021 18:51:16
Danny Ings moved to Aston Villa anyone know the fee? And whether we had a sell on clause?

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04 Aug 2021 18:58:07
Sure we did.

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04 Aug 2021 19:00:36
20% apparently mate. According to Twitter the fee was £30m. Whether that bit is true or not is anybodies guess.

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04 Aug 2021 19:31:16
20% of the difference. So £2mil.

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04 Aug 2021 20:08:26
Jesus monkeymad I hope your not an accountant cause you'd go broke. 20% of £30 is £2, well done my son.

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04 Aug 2021 20:19:05
Deisered, most sell on clauses are a percentage of the "profit" made on a player. Hence why Monkey said "the difference". Assuming Saints paid £20m and Villa paid £30m, that is a £10m difference. What's 20% of £10m mate? 😉

To be honest i don't know the first thing about finances in football and you are probably both wrong, but Monkey's maths is correct even though his figures are probably wrong!

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04 Aug 2021 20:33:06
Deisered, funnily enough mate I actually am an accountant! I work for the company who audit Liverpool's accounts.

Common misconception is you need to be good at maths to be an accountant, truthfully it helps!

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04 Aug 2021 20:42:54
Villa have made some great signings with beundia, Bailey and now ings they will be challenging top four I think. Funnily enough I don’t think Grelish makes man city any stronger. Man U will challenge this year although I think the team to beat will be Chelsea. Reason being after we won the champions league we had belief to go on and win the premier league.

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{Ed025's Note - especially if they get either lukaku or haaland ace..

04 Aug 2021 20:50:27
That would be frightening mate hope your keeping well.

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04 Aug 2021 21:49:55
Lukaku was a donkey in the prem- failure at Chelsea, ManU and not sure he controlled the ball once at Everton - still better than Richarilson hey Ed25?

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{Ed025's Note - hes an excellent player 1jj, scores lots of goals wherever he goes mate....better than richarlison, haaland and most other centre forwards..

04 Aug 2021 23:04:36
Lukaku is a one trick pony, play the ball in front of him, he will bully his way onto it, smash his laces through it and hope for the best. He is not a modern day footballer, failed 3 times at Premiership level and is half decent at best in a poor league.

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04 Aug 2021 23:13:45
Lukaku has over 100 prem goals, in not much more than 1 in 2 - mostly for mid table or lower teams. Hardly call that failing.

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{Ed0666's Note - Chelsea and United fans would be delighted to hear you call them mid table or lower teams 😂

04 Aug 2021 23:23:14
He also plays in serie A which is no way as physical or as fast as the premier league, so naturally he will get more time on the ball. Whereas in epl, he was ok but nothing special.

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04 Aug 2021 23:48:46
Lukaku has been superb for Inter.

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05 Aug 2021 02:14:12
Lukaku is a fine player but we know his limitations. His Premier League career was far from a failure, but he was a more effective player for the lesser clubs he played for as opposed to Man Utd or Chelsea. Though he is a phenomenal athlete, his technical ability is inconsistent and often deserts him at the most inopportune moments. Chelsea can have him as far as I’m concerned.
Haaland is a different matter altogether - he will be the sort of nightmare opposing player that sticks around for over a decade and scores nearly 300 goals.

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05 Aug 2021 06:09:49
Really?!?! Lukaku is an awesome powerful forward. Scored so many goals in every team, league, level. I’d have him in my team every game day without question.

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05 Aug 2021 06:59:59
113 goals and 42 assists in 252 PL games is a fail?

hate to say it guys, but some of you lot are miserable. I get there is the free speech, take off the rose-tinted view of the world and blah blah blah but have have ya ever taken pause to reflect on life and see the positives of life, the potential in someone and what they could bring?

Romelu is fast, strong, decent control, brings his team mates into the game and whether you smash the ball, or it comes off your armpit, he puts the ball in the damn net. in multiple leagues, national and international level.

He is 28, at his prime and would be a fantastic addition to any squad in the PL. well maybe not ours due to the way we play, but if we played a traditional #9 you can see a scenario where he leads the attack and you have mane and salah buzzing around him.

anyways, all power to him. hate to see him do well given his return of goals so far in a career of failure.

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05 Aug 2021 07:30:57
Lukaku is one of the best in his position atm, Chelsea forking out over £100mil for his services should be a good indicator of how highly rated he actually is.

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05 Aug 2021 11:13:05
Lukaku scores goals. But he misses too many chances. Looks like he can’t kick a ball straight at times, but he is still very good player. He’s not an elite player in my opinion. Nowhere near.

How frustrating it must be for players around him when he just hands the balls back making a mess of a simple pass. Or shinning a simple ball into him.

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{Ed025's Note - he does the hardest thing in football very well mag...putting the ball in the net, yes he can look a bit clumsy at times but his record speaks for itself mate and for me gets in most of the top sides team..

05 Aug 2021 14:21:40
how did he fail at three clubs? Do you think United paid £90m for a failure, or someone who proved that he can score goals?
He also left Chelsea when he was 20 so that he could play first team football - he didn't fail. He has 64 international goals at 28 years old, which is better than Ronaldo, Messi or Neymar.

Some of the nonsense I read in here is astounding. Anything to belittle Everton and Man Utd.

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{Ed025's Note - your spot on leroy, hes top quality mate and one of the best in world football, its sad that people with an agenda cant just give the guy the respect he deserves, his record proves he deserves that..

04 Aug 2021 17:32:51
Just read that Shaquiri has spoken with the club and its been agreed he can leave on a free, surely that's not right?

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04 Aug 2021 18:04:13
Only if you believe everything you read.

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04 Aug 2021 18:38:07
Might be true. Possibly the easiest way to get him off the wage bill. Who knows?

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04 Aug 2021 19:46:24
No chance we will let him leave for free, are you sure what you’ve read doesn’t say he’s free to leave?

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04 Aug 2021 20:40:56
Free for someone constantly injured? He’s not ox but he’s hardly ever available.

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04 Aug 2021 21:21:18
OP, you are correct, that isn’t right.

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05 Aug 2021 04:55:23
I highly doubt it. If anything the club is probably very miffed with him for revealing internal talks with management and even going to the extent of naming a club he'd like to play for. It puts pressure on the club and reduces their negotiating power. I'd say he's stepped on poopoo big time. He's going nowhere for free.

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04 Aug 2021 08:30:31
Dominic King reporting that Sheffield Utd, Celtic and Bournemouth are all interested in Ben Davies. LFC have turned down a loan offer from SHU.

Is the plan still to keep him or is he for sale?

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04 Aug 2021 08:45:13
If he comes under the HG quota then I expect him to stay. much will depend on how much we could raise from sales.

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04 Aug 2021 10:39:18
Folks here really need to understand what the HG rules mean.

It is not a requirement to have x number of HG players. If you have fewer HG players than the quota then it just means your squad is smaller. HOWEVER, you can use as many U21s as you want.

The current Premier League rules are that you can have a maximum of 17 non-HG players in your squad. Therefore, to have a full squad of 25, you need 8 HG players. However, you don't HAVE to have 8 HG players, you just end up with a smaller squad (like we have done at least last season if not the year before, the same as a few other teams too) .

Looking at the HG players who are going to be part of our squad based on merit:

Milner
Henderson
Trent
Robbo
Kelleher (I think he counts as HG? )
Gomez

That's 6, which means our squad of senior players can be 23.

On top of that we still have Phillips, and the Ox, but I can't see a problem if either or both are sold. My gut feel is we will sell Phillips and keep the Ox as I still rate him, if only he could stay fit!

Players such as Neco Williams, Rhys Williams, Curtis Jones, Harvey Elliot, Clarkson etc are all classed as U21 so they can automatically be a part of our EPL and CL squads (as long as we register them) and we can have as many U21s as we register.

So, we do not need to stress about HG quotas. They are not a mandatory requirement to have x number of HG players, rather a squad restriction on Non-HG players being a maximum of 17. And a number of players who are around our first team - the most advanced (in terms of likely game time) being Curtis Jones - are U21 so are eligible anyway.

Personally, I'd quite like to try out Doku. He would be classed as U21 so has no impact on the 17 squad places for non-HG and seems to have great potential.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to consider the club developed players as well.}

04 Aug 2021 10:51:20
Thanks Ed002, was going to mention CD players as well, but thought I'd try to get the HG rules tied down!

Are the Club Developed players only relevant for CL squads rather than EPL squads, or is the EPL likely to introduce a CD requirement too?

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{Ed002's Note - At the moment CL only but the number of HG players will increase for the PL and their will be club developed requirements as well.}

04 Aug 2021 10:59:25
I didn't think Robbo was classed as HG, Zeddicus?

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{Ed002's Note - He isn't.}

04 Aug 2021 11:01:27
What’s huge club developed player quota Ed002? Forgive my ignorance I can’t find anything online about this. Is this something coming into play soon? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - It already exists for the Champions League which is why Liverpool had a small than 25 man senior squad last season. It is coming for the Premier League.}

04 Aug 2021 11:02:38
Doku would need to be registered as one of the 17 non-HGs in the Champions League squad. The CL has an additional restriction that an U21 player needs to be at the club for 2 years or more to go on the unlimited size B list for U21s.

He'd be a "freebie" for the PL because they don't have that requirement.

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04 Aug 2021 11:05:10
Does Robbo count as HG? Is it English fa?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

04 Aug 2021 11:06:27
Also Robbo's not Home Grown for an English club. He was in Scotland for the relevant years and the UK is not all counted as one entity for the purposes of HG players.

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04 Aug 2021 11:28:04
Do EU players who have acquired the right of permanent residence (or been granted the equivalent settled status following Brexit) in the UK if they’ve lived in England for five years count HG, Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - The HG rules are simple - where they are born is of no relevance.}

04 Aug 2021 11:41:52
Ah sorry folks, got it wrong with Robbo, good shout on Doku too, SR. I have a sneaking suspicion that one of the players we will sign (towards the end of the window no doubt as we need to make some sales first) will be an U21, at least for the EPL.

Doku and Pedri are the ones we have been linked to in recent weeks. Pedri may just be too expensive, but he would be an amazing acquisition who (I think, maybe Ed002 can confirm? ) could qualify as Club Trained if he joined this summer?

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{Ed002's Note - Pedri won't be moving to Liverpool. Another club made a very significant offer (way more than Liverpool could afford) and it was rejected as he is not for sale.}

04 Aug 2021 11:44:31
Thanks for clarifying the club developed rule Ed02.

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04 Aug 2021 11:51:48
Eds Is the Home Grown rule being considered a success within the football industry?

As a fan looking from the outside it seems at least in England it just leads to inflated fees as no doubt Grealish and Sancho are great players but a combined cost of £170m for two players that are not guaranteed to start in the national team first 11.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes and it is being expanded.}

04 Aug 2021 14:02:48
Zed- You’re right, if he’s not going to play it’s pretty irrelevant that he’s home grown.

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04 Aug 2021 16:05:51
Our problem is not with the lack of home-grown players, it is having too many non-home-grown bit-part players. We currently have the maximum number of non-home-grown players that can be registered in our first-team squad. As a result, IF (big if) we were to buy anybody (e. g. Saul or Bissouma) who happens to not be a home-grown player we would be in the position of having to remove another non-home-grown player from the registered squad (e. g. Shaq, Origi or Minimino) and we would be paying players wages who we can not even register for competitions.

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{Ed0666's Note - stop fretting about this HG quota malarkey people. I’m my opinion Shaq, taki and divvy will be gone either loaned or sold by the end of this transfer window. Problem solved.

04 Aug 2021 20:51:25
Great original post Zed (and ed002 for the extra detail) this helps dispel the panic about HG quotas. Things will obviously change in the future, but at the moment this doesn’t seem to be a massive problem. We obviously need to sell to bring in none HG players, but I think the club would be selling before they buy anyway irrelevant of HG quotas. The CL ‘home grown’ quotas are obviously relevant as well, but in the main the first choice players would be playing in the CL anyway, unless the game’s a ‘dead rubber’ in which case a fair few if the U21’s would probably be playing anyway. Something that definitely will be addressed going forwards I’m sure, but at the moment I can’t see why the club would be panicking about the situation.

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