Liverpool Rumours Archive January 31 2022

 

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31 Jan 2022 23:30:52
Hi can anyone tell me now that the carvalho deal has fallen through why we don't go back in for him in the summer when he is a free agent? Why don't we want to go to a tribunal?
Thanks guys šŸ‘šŸ¼.

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31 Jan 2022 23:43:34
Think it's because they'll be a lot more teams in for him mate. And how much is the fee going to be to Fulham then.
Either way I hope we get the lad now, if we don't go back in for him it will be shocking by liverpool.

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31 Jan 2022 23:45:09
We'll probably do exactly that, but we can't legally talk to him about it until the summer.

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01 Feb 2022 04:43:06
Paul Joyce and Neil Jones both reporting that a pre-agreement can be reached if all parties agree. I suppose the difference is foreign clubs don't need Fulham's agreement. It's in their interest that he stays in the country otherwise they will get next to nothing for him.

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01 Feb 2022 09:02:18
Disappointingā€¦. But if the lad really wants to play for Liverpool heā€™ll sign a pre-contract when possible.
If he wants to wait and see what other offers he gets, Iā€™d walk away .
We got the main man anyway ā€¦. So a great Window for us.

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01 Feb 2022 05:58:31
So from what I can understand, this is no longer in Fulham's hands if no pre-agreement can be reached. They've shot themselves in the foot.

It is basically in Fabio's hands now. If he wants to come to us, we have a deal, otherwise he is free to choose to go elsewhere and Fulham will get a lot less (not his problem) .

The only advantage for us now seems to be that he was interested in joining us. But if that were the case, we could have waited till July in any case.

We'll see if he wants to come to us when every club in Europe is beating down his door and offering a nice package.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot have a pre-agreement and have no "deal". Other clubs will continue to seek a pre-agreement.}

01 Feb 2022 10:55:51
With Nico going on loan to Fulham do not be surprised if this is part of a private "arrangement" to get first option on him in the summer. Fulham may get promoted and be in a position to want to buy. This could suit both parties.

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01 Feb 2022 11:46:45
I think weā€™ll make a deal on the opening day of the summer transfer window before the contract expires on the same terms as previously agreed.

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01 Feb 2022 11:49:35
He'll be a Liverpool player come the summer its what all parties want.

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01 Feb 2022 12:15:10
Exactly Jadon. Iā€™m confident on this. Hopefully weā€™ve repaired the damage done previously with these negotiations. The summer transfer window opens second week of June, Carvalhoā€™s contract expires at the end, so letā€™s just present the same offer straight away and get it done. (Without wishing to sound like the blonde Tory plank Boris Johnson) . By all accounts the lad has set himself on this so itā€™s more likely than not.

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01 Feb 2022 15:55:33
According to extremely reputable sources, the deal fell through because the EFL doesn't allow "deal sheets" (his loan back for the rest of the season to Fulham) . He had a medical yesterday with an eye to the deal going through late but all parties missed the boat as the additional paperwork was required. it is understood that the deal WILL go through finally in summer. the lad wants it, terms are agreed, his agent wants it and Fulham want it.

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01 Feb 2022 18:09:51
Hey Ed02 - thanks for the update.

Is it only In this country where you are unable to agree a deal with another club for a future transfer? I seem to remember Bayern for example agreeing a deal in February to buy Upamencano in that coming summer.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - No it is to do with dealing directly with a player and his agent when they are becoming free agents - clubs can agree future transfers. So, for example, Liverpool can agree a future move for any player, out of contract or not, with Fulham, but cannot approach any to be out of contract player directly about a transfer until the end of the season, May. But non-English and Welsh sides can approach the player directly from January - equally, that applies across Europe.}

31 Jan 2022 23:33:41
Do you still see us signing Carvalho this week on a Pre-Agreement? Some journalists seem to think it is possible that we can still seal the deal for him to move in July that would guarantee Fulham a fee and we won't have to go to a tribunal.

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{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool cannot sign a pre-agreement before the end of the season.}

31 Jan 2022 23:52:32
Can we agree a deal, e. g as we have now but not officially go through and sign till the summer?

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{Ed002's Note - No, he cannot sign a pre-contract with Liverpool. The rules are very clear.}

31 Jan 2022 23:52:47
*with a fee for Fulham.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

01 Feb 2022 00:06:14
As I have understood the rules, the issue is that he can enter talks with foreign clubs (Dortmunt etc) 6 months before his contract ends, but english clubs can not legally discuss terms more than one month before his contract runs out.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

01 Feb 2022 00:10:02
I'm really sorry for my ignorance on the matter Ed but is it not possible for us to bid for carvalho and then speak with the player? I thought the transfer window being closed didn't prohibit offers and contracts being discussed?

Sorry again I know you must get plagued with the same questions over and over!

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, you misunderstand. There can be no agreements or discussions unless the clubs involved are from outside of England orWales.. I have answered this several times.}

01 Feb 2022 01:28:23
Yeah that's what I was meaning Westwood!

Cheers for the info Ed, disappointed not to get the transfer over the line but I do hope we act within the rules and get him in the summer. However I think he could have signed a a german/ Spanish club by that stage!

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01 Feb 2022 02:04:32
Ed I think what the other guys are trying to say is we are going to have to agree a compensation fee with Fulham or go to a tribunal due to his age. It does seem like a ridiculous technicality that we could have talked to Fulham about it a few hours ago but now we can't.

It is just another case of English football cutting its nose off to spite its face, giving foreign clubs the advantage in player negotiations. Every other major footballing country allows players in the final 6 months of their contract to negotiate with whichever club they like. Liverpool aren't even in the same league as Fulham so it's not like there would be a conflict of interest in the league. Sorry for venting but the rules are ridiculous. I don't expect them to change soon because English football has always been reluctant to change. It took us decades of petitioning to get a winter break. I'd love to see us get rid of FA Cup replays and 2 domestic knockout tournaments as well but I won't hold my breath.

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01 Feb 2022 09:33:50
Does anybody know exactly why it the transfer didn't go through, I thought the necko deal would have sweetened the pot for Fulham.

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01 Feb 2022 06:12:04
So the moves we have seen from Spain and Germany these last years, with purchases done in February to April where the actual transfer won't happen until the window opens again are not possible between English clubs?

But English can do that with International transfers? i. e. if Liverpool were to buy Bellingham now for a transfer July 1st?

I am sure you've covered this before, but if this is impossible within the English league system, the difference between the countries are crazy and impossible to keep track off!

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{Ed002's Note - No, there is no way for Liverpool to cheat the rules. It is simple.}

01 Feb 2022 10:07:48
I think the transfer was done and dusted and the paperwork was all in order.

The issue was that the loaning of Carvalho back to Fulham required separate paperwork outside of the transfer paperwork and this wasnā€™t completed.

As Fulham made it a condition of proceeding with the transfer that the lad was loaned back for the rest of the season the transfer didnā€™t proceed.

That seems to be what the more sensible elements of the press are saying, although I stand to be corrected.

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01 Feb 2022 10:18:50
I wouldnā€™t put it past Ward and Edwards for this to have been part of the plan. Agree a deal late in the day, with little time to push through which makes a statement to the player we really wanted him. Also when Fulham agreed to our offer we would have been allowed to speak to Carvalhoā€™s family on terms of the deal - player sets his heart on a move to us. Neco Williams sweetens the deal for Fulham putting us a bit more in their favour too.

Come May when we can speak to him we have a player who has his heart set on us so hopefully spurs other advances, wonā€™t need to go to tribunal as we have already agreed a max fee already which Fulham weā€™re happy with and we could prob negotiate for us to get him slightly cheaper given Neco loan and as not 6 months left in his contract.

Maybe I have overthought this a little too much though šŸ¤£šŸ¤£.

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01 Feb 2022 10:35:13
It's all in the lads hands now. If he wants to play for Liverpool and Klopp as rumours say. He will wait and sign. If money talks in his head he will go to Spain or Germany. We will see. Let's now enjoy the rest of the season, let's enjoy our new lad Diaz and hopefully by the end of the season we I'll celebrate a trophy or two or even more hopefully. And let's all hope for a Salah deal!

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01 Feb 2022 16:17:38
Agreed martolfc.

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31 Jan 2022 23:20:24
Looks like it didn't go through in the end, hopefully we get the young lad in the summer.

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31 Jan 2022 23:32:19
I think itā€™ll happen in the summer, the lad wants to join us and with any luck thereā€™ll be no need for a tribunal.

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31 Jan 2022 23:17:34
Carvalho deal off, efl don't do deadline extensions apparently. Disappointed but let's see if we get him in summer.

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31 Jan 2022 23:17:24
Sky reporting deal has fell through, it dodnt go through in time.

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{Ed0666's Note - yes they are correct

31 Jan 2022 23:35:37
Is there definitely no chance until the Summer now? Any extensions?
If not, do you definitely think we will be back in for him in the summer?

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31 Jan 2022 23:35:37
Is there definitely no chance until the Summer now? Any extensions?
If not, do you definitely think we will be back in for him in the summer?

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31 Jan 2022 23:16:44
So is the carvalho deal off then?

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{Ed0666's Note - yes unfortunately no time to finalize everything

31 Jan 2022 23:29:18
Edds just copying sky sports news pretending they have inside info as usual. Caught out again.

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{Ed0666's Note - You really are scumbag. Eds 002 is the one with inside info and he wasnā€™t around today. I was on the BBC website which is a globally recognized outlet for legit information and they reported it was done and then retracted it. Did they pretend to have inside info?

01 Feb 2022 03:24:11
Ed0666
I just want to say you all are appreciated. Don't let the Karen's ruin it for you.
Once again to all Ed's thanks for everything. Been reading and interacting on this site daily for years.
Cheers
Matt in FL.

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01 Feb 2022 08:29:25
i want to agree, all you Ed's are fully appreciated and we are grateful for all the work you put in, don't listen to the knobheads.

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31 Jan 2022 23:16:21
Every media outlet saying the deal has collapsed, is this true?

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{Ed0666's Note - yep no time to finalize everything. You can get a 2 hour extension per league rules?

31 Jan 2022 23:33:17
2 hours extension? How does this work?

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31 Jan 2022 23:16:20
Damn! Carvalho not happening right now : (.

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31 Jan 2022 23:15:59
BBC saying the deal has fallen though. No time to finalise it!

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{Ed0666's Note - what a shame

31 Jan 2022 23:21:49
Reports we didn't get the Carvalho deal over the line.

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31 Jan 2022 23:10:13
Evening Eds. I'm reading various reports that LFC have asked the EFL for a 2 hour extension to get the deal through. Do you know if this is true and if it has been granted? Many Thanks.

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{Ed0666's Note - the deals been ratified regardless

31 Jan 2022 23:14:42
Sorry for my ignorance, but does that mean he is a Liverpool player? Thanks.

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{Ed0666's Note - sorry mate my bad I gave you the wrong info the deal is off due to lack of time to push everything through

31 Jan 2022 23:15:19
Itā€™s fallen through!

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31 Jan 2022 23:21:53
Sky sports confirming that the carvalho deal has not gone through as run out of time.

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31 Jan 2022 23:23:34
Thanks Eds. Hopefully we can do the deal with Fulham for a pre contract for the Summer.

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31 Jan 2022 23:16:49
Sky sports just said itā€™s off.

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{Ed0666's Note - theyā€™re correct

31 Jan 2022 23:17:41
Skysports reporting that the deal hasn't gone through in time.

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31 Jan 2022 23:17:45
just been reported it's not happening. The loan back agreement couldn't be sorted out.

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31 Jan 2022 23:18:21
Hope you're right ed sir as some reports say otherwise.

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{Ed0666's Note - I stand corrected

31 Jan 2022 23:19:51
The deal failed to go through.

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31 Jan 2022 23:26:39
So it didn't go through it is being reported, is it likely to be resurrected for the summer? The kid does look to be a decent player for the future.
Regardless considering the expectation was no movement Luis Diaz is a very welcome surprise and will significantly strengthen the team for the remainder of the season.

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31 Jan 2022 23:21:44
Hi Ed0666 - just been reported that the deal didn't get done in time.

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{Ed0666's Note - yes mate

31 Jan 2022 23:25:15
Come on. Did it really fall through?

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{Ed0666's Note - yes

31 Jan 2022 23:05:45
Did Carvalho go through?

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{Ed0666's Note - yes

31 Jan 2022 23:12:19
Brilliant

Cheers Ed.

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{Ed0666's Note - Harveyā€™s mate just signed for us šŸ˜‚

31 Jan 2022 23:16:22
No it didn't.

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{Ed0666's Note - youā€™re right it didnā€™t

31 Jan 2022 23:18:00
Not according to Sky Sports.

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{Ed0666's Note - bbc reported it was done and then they said it wasnā€™t

31 Jan 2022 23:18:24
No - it's not been done - just been reported on SKy.

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{Ed0666's Note - correct

31 Jan 2022 22:59:13
BBC news reports deal complete for Carlalhio of Fulham, medical to be completed in next hour or so.

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{Ed0666's Note - yep indeed.

31 Jan 2022 22:13:30
Hello Ed02 with deal for Carvalho nearly agreed, do you see Liverpool pushing to buy another midfielder in the summer?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, Carvalho is young and an AM. I suspect a CM will still be necessary.

31 Jan 2022 22:32:46
Does/ will be count as home grown ed please?

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{Ed002's Note - Obviously not now, but will in the future.}

31 Jan 2022 23:02:06
Too late - window now closed!

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31 Jan 2022 22:52:34
Thanks for your great work Ed. Do these deals have any effect On Salah staying? Hopefully it will be other players leaving instead.

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{Ed002's Note - Not at this time, but eventually there needs to be a transition for the front three.}

31 Jan 2022 21:59:22
Come on Ed. have we agreed terms with Fulham for Carvalho? I hate to say it and won't believe it until you say so but twatter is all over it?

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31 Jan 2022 22:06:04
Seems like itā€™s nearly done.

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31 Jan 2022 22:10:03
Done! super window.

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31 Jan 2022 22:24:09
Great news!
Glad we didnā€™t let this one get away . Looks a real prospect šŸ‘šŸ¼.

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31 Jan 2022 22:37:11
Paperwork to beat deadline all agreed.

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31 Jan 2022 22:50:28
11 mins left.

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31 Jan 2022 23:02:55
Looks like it's not been done in time.

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{Ed0666's Note - it has heā€™s officially a Red.

31 Jan 2022 23:10:20
Did it get done.

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31 Jan 2022 23:19:26
Sky says not Magico do you know otherwise ED?

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{Ed0666's Note - BBC reported it was done and then corrected themselves

31 Jan 2022 21:56:25
Deal agreed! Just need to get medical and paperwork completed! 10 million, neco on loan and fabio back to Fulham on loan for rest of season.

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31 Jan 2022 22:16:16
Wow. Hope they're paying all wages while they're on loan.

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31 Jan 2022 22:21:38
Great window.

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31 Jan 2022 22:33:01
If true, I think itā€™s a good deal for both clubs. Might go a little step towards improving our relationship with them. Would be nice to start doing the right thing transfer wise under ward.

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31 Jan 2022 22:35:48
Just seen this myself, great news šŸ’ÆšŸ‘.

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31 Jan 2022 21:30:18
Ed002 am not sure how true it is but I just see Fulham after Williams on loan do you think Liverpool could use that in a deal to sign carvalho with him staying on loan. Fulham would seem to get a better deal with getting the extra player.
I do think Ed Ā£5m is a bit of a joke bid if they want Ā£12m just pay it it's nothing today for a player.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not surprised they want Williams on loan and it is perhaps a sweetener.}

31 Jan 2022 21:58:56
Apparently Fee agreed with Fulham for Fabio Carvalho. Medical underway and Neco and Carvalho to be loaned to Fulham until the end of the season.

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31 Jan 2022 22:23:02
Seems like everyone is happy then, Fulham get a bigger fee and keep him on loan till end of season plus neck, Liverpool get their man, all be it for slightly more than they initially wanted, but probably karma for what they eventually paid for Elliott? Sounds like the 3rd party played a negotiating blinder Ed? That's if it's completed in time šŸ¤ž.

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31 Jan 2022 18:45:09
Eds,

Do you see Nat Philips returning in the summer to be the back up alongside Konate once Joe Gomez is sold or is that him likely away now ?

Will get game time for sure next season with VVD needing the occasional rest and Matip's body always capable of breaking down ( not this season touch wood ) .

Sadly if he does leave hopefully he gets the chance to get a send off in front of a packed Anfield for his fantastic performances last season in getting us into the CL which is vital to his we financially operate, it's the least he deserves .

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{Ed0666's Note - this my friend is the million dollar question. I would replace him with Matip and keep Philips long term. But itā€™s anybody's guess as to what happens in the summer?

31 Jan 2022 19:03:18
Wish him all the best. Hope he can help Bournemouth to a league title.

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31 Jan 2022 19:10:46
IMO Phillips will not return to LFC. I donā€™t think he is at Gomez level.

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31 Jan 2022 19:19:11
Can see JoGo leaving next summer. He needs to be playing as much as his body allows.
I would get rid of Him, Neco and maybe even Matip and buy Kounde.

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31 Jan 2022 19:48:21
Players always split fans opinions but for me the one that counts is the gaffers.

Last season despite having been at the club for however many years Klopp chose to start a kid with no pace in a high line ahead of him and not only that Fab and Hendo started ahead of him on numerous occasions.

Klopp admitted he got it wrong by playing Fab at the back and ill be honest Phillips did very well in the games he played there in our final 10 game run in.

For me i believe if Klopp believed he had it wrong with Phillips and he was ready to play regular first team at Liverpool then 1 he wouldn't have signed Konate and secondly he would have featured this season.

This isn't me bashing Phillips i'm just trying to read between the lines on what Klopp thinks of him.

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31 Jan 2022 20:01:30
Klopp says he reminded him of himself as a player. Enough said. I do want Phillips to do well of course, I doubt very much it will be for Liverpool.

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31 Jan 2022 20:36:32
Will always be grateful to Phillips for his contribution last season for top 4. He shed blood for us and got his nugget on many a dangerous ball into our box. YNWA.

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{Ed025's Note - shed blood jonesy???, he sweated a bit and picked up a wage packet we can only dream about mate..

31 Jan 2022 20:44:50
I'm sure he had a Terry Butcher moment 025?

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{Ed025's Note - i will take your word for that jonesy..

31 Jan 2022 20:46:55
I want to see Gomez sold for no other reason than someone called him "JoGo". Get rid.

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{Ed025's Note - love it mate..

31 Jan 2022 20:57:16
Ive had a few IDA'S and think I may have jinxed Dan Burns move to NUfC 025 : (.

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31 Jan 2022 21:01:51
Meant to read IPA's.

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31 Jan 2022 21:37:13
Don't forget about Sepp van den Berg. He is killing it this season and can also cover right back. I would have Virgil, Konate, Matip and van den Berg as our centre backs next season, start intergrating Bajcetic into the first team, loan out Koumetio and sell Gomez and Phillips.

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31 Jan 2022 22:11:56
Van Den Berg and Bajcetic look real players.

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31 Jan 2022 17:09:08
Ed's do you have any more information on the possibility of Fulham's Carvalho signing for us today?
Much appreciated.

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{Ed002's Note - A third party has been speaking with Fulham on behalf of Liverpool who may need to pay over the odds if anything is possible today.}

31 Jan 2022 17:36:56
I do not see us paying over the odds. But who knows tho.

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31 Jan 2022 18:22:27
Brings back memories of the Clint Dempsey saga with Fulham . šŸ˜©.

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31 Jan 2022 18:24:40
Heā€™s a very talented kid, I suspect something will happen between now and the deadline.

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31 Jan 2022 17:38:44
Thanks for that. Iā€™ll wait with patience for any update.

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31 Jan 2022 18:36:53
If we want him enough we will get him if not itā€™s a war with others in the summer for his signature.

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31 Jan 2022 18:41:23
Being reported he is thinking he will get more games at Dortmund or another foreign club and higher wages. Not sure this one is going to happen.

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31 Jan 2022 18:47:47
If we give 5 and they want 10-15 somewhere in between should be enough. I'm still believing that he will sign.

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31 Jan 2022 18:33:32
What are your thoughts eds? Happening or not? Would of thought it would be tied up by now.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not easy when dealing through a third party and then Fulham would likely up the asking price to make Liverpool pay over the odds if they were to decide to move now. The player may wish to see what options he has in the summer.

31 Jan 2022 19:04:37
Bloody hope so. this lad could be special. Come on lads get this complete.

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31 Jan 2022 19:31:05
Sign him for 15m now or wait until he becomes a Bellingham and pay Ā£100m after he joins Dortmundā€¦?

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31 Jan 2022 19:15:40
Hi Ed02 hope youā€™re well, out of curiosity why do clubs use third parties for such instances? Is it like subcontracting the negotiations to a consultancy or is there more to it? I canā€™t imagine they would have much decision making powers and would need to keep referring back to the club on key matters.

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{Ed002's Note - It varies, sometimes agents have very good relationship with other clubs, sometimes it is culture and languages and sometimes it is to overcome difficulties that exist between clubs.}

31 Jan 2022 19:38:48
I take it itā€™s the latter between us and Fulham šŸ˜‚ thanks for answering take care.

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31 Jan 2022 19:44:36
Blahdy ek, if VVVV is optimistic, so should we all. šŸ˜‰.

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{Ed025's Note - good point robb..

31 Jan 2022 19:43:28
Thanks for the reply ed2. Going to be a difficult signing I think but think we will regret it if we don't move now. I'd just pay the money and get the deal done.

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31 Jan 2022 20:01:04
Agree Marty he will be a full English International in two years or sooner.

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31 Jan 2022 20:03:31
Fulham will probably lose him for free in the summer. Hopefully 7-8m and a loan back will get it done.

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31 Jan 2022 21:04:19
I do t understand the whole LFC Fulham bad blood. Totally get why they would be p. ed following the Clint Dempsey saga but that was ages ago. The tribunal regarding Elliotā€™s valuation isnā€™t LFCā€™s fault and since then we sold them Harry Wilson. M I missing something? Why would we need a third party?

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{Ed002's Note - The tribunal was Liverpoolā€™s fault and why they would look to charge the club a premium.}

31 Jan 2022 22:05:51
Looks like it was well found confidence. Itā€™s apparently on. Result.

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01 Feb 2022 00:30:44
Thanks for the response Ed002. Going back a bit I know but did the tribunal only happen because LFC and Fulham couldnā€™t agree the ā€˜trainingā€™ costs if you want to call it that? Also, if you know, how does a tribunal determine the value? I donā€™t understand the system to be honest. Doesnā€™t seem much point in it if itā€™s always going to result in the club losing the player being out of pocket. Surely the system is there to protect such clubs? Just seems odd.

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{Ed002's Note - It happened because Liverpool forced it knowing they would pay less and would have the opportunity to damage another club. We are not going to open this and the other issues up again.}

01 Feb 2022 05:57:52
I see. Disappointing. Very silly on our part. Thanks for the response Ed002. Have a good morning, evening time zone dependant!

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31 Jan 2022 13:50:34
Apparently a 4 and a half year deal for Carvalho.

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31 Jan 2022 14:38:48
doesnt look like its happening.

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31 Jan 2022 15:15:33
Doesn't matter. We'll just sign him as a free agent in summer.

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31 Jan 2022 15:18:02
Failed transfer window. FSG OUT.

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31 Jan 2022 14:57:06
Getting mixed messages.

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31 Jan 2022 15:51:05
If it happens in the summer then fine, hopefully weā€™ll negotiate a fee for his training then. It does sound like Fulham would prefer it to go to tribunal.

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31 Jan 2022 15:55:08
The FSG pro fans said we didn't need to sign anyone or spend money as the squad was good enough.

The FSG critical fans said we don't spend money and we need signings to strengthen the squad.

FSG have now spent 50 mill to sign someone and could even see 1 more in.

So who was right as i'm seeing a lot of pro FSG fans giving it the big one despite the owners going against what they initially said.

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31 Jan 2022 16:30:42
It is claimed that if it doesn't happened now it won't happened in the summer as we want to avoid a tribunal. I believe that tho. Here's hoping that we strike a deal. There's still time left.

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31 Jan 2022 16:48:40
Liverpool offering Ā£5M plus add-ons and loan back. Fulham want Ā£10M to 15M and loan back, Liverpool do not want to pay that unless he joins with no loan back. Plenty of time left, everyone is prepared for the approval. Club working hard to find a solution.

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31 Jan 2022 16:52:47
JK23, do you really think itā€™s binary? Itā€™s one view is right and one isnā€™t?

Hereā€™s another way. The squad is superb and the people who spend the majority of their time obsessed with transfers and less with whatā€™s happening on the pitch are missing the point of being a fan. They are football critics.

Me personally, if we signed no one we have a top squad which is only being out scored globally by Bayern, so I am happy. We have now added to that, this is positive. I am delighted. It is future proofing but also really a massive lift for the run in. Necessary, possibly notā€¦a good thing? Yes.

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31 Jan 2022 17:20:01
So much This vs That these days, why0why. It seems everything has to be dealt in absolutes. What a terrible way to organise anything.

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31 Jan 2022 16:35:57
He won't be "free" in the Summer. I would rather sort the deal out now and keep him out of the clasps of other teams.

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31 Jan 2022 18:05:22
Why0why, that was actually my point mate. I said on a earlier banter page post that its not all black and white and no rights or wrongs and its all opinions at the end of the day.

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31 Jan 2022 18:27:53
I blame Brexit.

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31 Jan 2022 18:36:06
If we don't get him now then he will go elsewhere. dortmund etc.

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31 Jan 2022 13:47:50
Carvalho deal to go ahead, all terms agreed, fees etc done.

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31 Jan 2022 15:11:01
oh no it doesnt.

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31 Jan 2022 18:03:41
Oh yes it does.

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31 Jan 2022 18:49:30
Hes behind you!

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31 Jan 2022 13:12:42
It looks like we won't be signing Fabio Carvalho, after all.

Fulham have apparently not responded to our 5 million offer, with a loan back to Fulham included for the rest of the season. A shame because the lad looks like a quality player with a bright future.

Borussia Dortmund looking at him for the summer too. That seems to be a great destination for young English footballers. We might miss out on this lad. But, I am still pleased with our business this month.

January is a tricky window, bringing in someone with the qualities of Luis Diaz is a great move for us. Maybe a few more out goings, Nat Phillips to Bournemouth, for instance, and we should be good to go till the summer.

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31 Jan 2022 13:42:26
Nobody knows Mango just like with the Diaz move, let's wait till the windows shut buddy ;)

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31 Jan 2022 13:55:27
if there not interested in us loaning him back, double the bid and get him now.

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31 Jan 2022 13:56:05
I swear some just guess on these things, it's 50/ 50. He either will or won't. But if they strike lucky they claim their ITK.

So as its all these journos do my guess is origi to West ham by tomorrow morning.

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31 Jan 2022 15:37:47
can see this going to the wire maybe Ā£9 million and add on fulham want Ā£15 million.

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31 Jan 2022 15:08:16
Ed002 what would be Fulham's benefit to losing him to an international club for free? Would they get any sort of compensation? Just in my mind it makes more sense to take a fee now with a loan back agreement vs. losing him for nothing to a club on the continent? (Have I missed something though? )

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{Ed002's Note - If he stays and helps them get promoted is a significant benefit.}

31 Jan 2022 18:33:10
Sorry Ed002 I meant letting him leave on a free in the summer vs. us buying and loaning him back now but appreciate the answer none the less. Hope you're having a good day.

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{Ed002's Note - If that were the case then the advantage is for Liverpool in that they would get the jump on others and Fulham would get funds. The disadvantage for Liverpool is that they are spending money on a player who they will only get when he is available as a Free Agent.}

31 Jan 2022 12:29:58
Nat Phillips off to Bournemouth, on loan, till end of season. Wish him luck.

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31 Jan 2022 13:09:19
Delighted for him hope he does the business!

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31 Jan 2022 16:58:02
Great servant for us. Always played well.

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31 Jan 2022 12:21:57
Bournemouth also enquired about Neco Williams, similar deal.

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31 Jan 2022 12:19:42
Bournemouth in for Nat phillips, loan until the end of the season.

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31 Jan 2022 12:30:09
Medical booked today for Phillips.

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31 Jan 2022 12:52:19
Shame really. He deserves better than a loan. Hopefully he can get a prem club in the summer. More than good enough.

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31 Jan 2022 13:39:06
They are in the promotion hunt, if he helps them get promoted I'd be amazed if they don't make it a permanent move in the summer.

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31 Jan 2022 14:08:35
I would not be surprised if they go up they have an obligation to buy him for set fee.
I think he will do very well for them and think Fulham will get promoted.

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31 Jan 2022 10:44:11
Divock origi has asked to be loaned out before the window closes, Liverpool looking at premier league options.

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31 Jan 2022 11:14:37
That is a head scratcher I wonder who we could replace him with at this stage, maybe James toney, jiminez, ollie Watkins?

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31 Jan 2022 11:16:33
Arsenal?

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31 Jan 2022 11:45:54
Hes out of contract in the summer so a loan from the clubs point of view seems strange.

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31 Jan 2022 11:51:27
Heā€™s more out then in Iā€™d not be too worried about replacing him! Let him go!

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31 Jan 2022 12:07:21
Of course he doesnā€™t need replacing as he hardly ever plays. Loan with obligation to buy I hope.

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31 Jan 2022 12:38:17
Head scratched? Who would replace him? He very really plays and we just brought in an incredibly expensive versatile forward, ok not an out and out striker but the forward line is well covered.

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31 Jan 2022 12:53:36
We would need someone like Haaland to replace the legend that is Origi.

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31 Jan 2022 13:08:58
Iā€™m with you warmachine, I also think Alf-inge Harland would do a better job than origi.

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31 Jan 2022 10:43:17
Potential loan for neco Williams available.

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31 Jan 2022 10:01:03
HI Ed. there was lot of smoke over the last couple of months which turned out to be fire regarding Diaz. similarly with Bellingham. Will he now be the no.1 summer transfer.

I'm aware the cost would be Ā£90m and LFC are skint but with outgoings fees/ wages. do you think a deal is likely to be struck.

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{Ed002's Note - Jude Bellingham (CM) Manchester United and Chelsea were keen before he moved to Germany and will be interested again when he is made available for sale ā€“ and expect interest from Manchester City and potentially Liverpool as well. Dortmund will not be forced in to selling him next year and will seek a huge fee (more than ā‚¬Ā£90M) when he is sold.}

31 Jan 2022 11:28:11
cheers ed. i think the eye of klopp should definately be in a midfield player. milner will go to leeds. keita is useless. thiago is a crock. jones not good enough IMO.

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31 Jan 2022 12:01:26
Why is Jones always written off?

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31 Jan 2022 12:07:06
Phillips from Leeds or bissouma I reckon we will end up with ā€¦and I will be happy with either šŸ˜‰.

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31 Jan 2022 12:09:12
Harsh on Jones mate. But I do agree we need a midfielder, only one though.

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31 Jan 2022 13:12:55
Jones is a perfect ManCity type player - they have a stack of them and heā€™s pretty much our only one - we need to keep him and play regularly for that player with a bit of guile.

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