Liverpool Rumours Archive July 30 2017

 

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30 Jul 2017 21:29:44
Hi Ed002. Am I reading too much into the post that inter are interested in Mane, by thinking that some hints have been dropped in all the recent mega hype about Couts, VVD and Keita about the possibility Mane could be on his way out, and nobody has picked up on it? Really hope I am wrong!

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{Ed002's Note - It is a simple situation that Inter Milan would like to take Mane.}

30 Jul 2017 21:44:42
I'd understand if coutinho when to barca, couldn't handle mane leaving for inter.

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30 Jul 2017 23:13:32
Not going to happen.

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31 Jul 2017 02:57:28
I'm sure lots of teams would be interested in Mane, he's a very good player, however I can't see us selling him and I think Mane would see Inter as a step down right now.

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31 Jul 2017 02:20:09
Has Mane shown any signs whether if Inter did make a formal bid he would be interested in the move? I hope not.

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{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

31 Jul 2017 06:57:37
Thanks Ed002, appreciate the quick response.

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31 Jul 2017 08:31:26
Inter is a step down for Mane right now. Inter are the 5th best team in Italy (at best) . Juventus, Roma, Napoli and AC Milan are all streets ahead of them. Why would Mane leave a team hoping to challenge for the title and Champions league, for a team hoping for top 3 and Europa league glory?

Nothing to be concerned about. They can be interested all they like. They might as well chase Messi.

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31 Jul 2017 09:00:38
Ha ha thanks MK Scouser :) . According to Sky (so must be true eh! ) Carra warning LFC fans we will likely only be able to keep Couts one last season before he goes to Barcelona. am I the only one thinking it's not a warning, most fans would bite the hand off for that guarantee especially as he will probably be worth a lot more this time next year and we will have had the best outcome possible this window of him not going. It's a bit like my bank warning me I only have a lot of money left in my account!

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31 Jul 2017 10:15:37
Thanks for the reply Ed002.

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31 Jul 2017 16:29:22
Spot on, MK. Inter is a step way down, for Mane and they can keep barking up the wrong tree. Mane is going nowhere.

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01 Aug 2017 09:12:22
Inter would like to take Mane for peanuts, I would like to motorboat Kelly Brook but that isn't going to happen either.

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30 Jul 2017 21:06:34
My mate seems to think his team, West Ham have made a bid for Milner which is being considered.

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30 Jul 2017 23:36:59
We'd be mad to let him go this year. His experience could be vital in the UCL. Has been shown time and time again how important experienced shoulders can be to success. Talent alone is often not enough.

He showed last season how important he is to the club. Model pro, glad he plays for us.

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31 Jul 2017 03:19:50
I agree. Eventually I'd like to see Milner go but this season is not the time.

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31 Jul 2017 08:03:55
I on the other hand would let Milner go. Can't see him getting much games time this season apart from league cup and FA cup but I would rather the young players get a chance in that in them competitions. Don't see him anywhere near good enough to get near playing in central midfield for us. and at the wages he is on to be reserve full back just seems a waste of money. And for Milner at his age all ways wants to play let him go to a club where he will play most weeks where he wants I think he earned that for the way he played last season out of position and did not moan just got on with it. As footballers this day and age don't normally think of the team first. YNWA.

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31 Jul 2017 14:11:37
Don't see why we'd let him go - Robertson untested at highest level and don't trust Moreno, plus could be very useful if we need cover elsewhere as I'm sure would be effective at RB or even RM if required. He's a seasoned pro and very versatile and we need depth.

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31 Jul 2017 14:14:52
It's worth the high wages to have cover for 4/ 5 positions.

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31 Jul 2017 16:32:56
Spot on, Grino. I love Milner as well but were he to go, I would not be bothered. I don't see him getting any time in midfield (he is simply not good enough there) or in defence (maybe at RB but we are well furnished there) so really, if WH really want him and he wants to leave, let him.

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01 Aug 2017 13:06:58
Milner not good enough in midfield? Dunno about that. Last yr he had no option (apart from moreno) to play at left back but the yr before he was used in midfield quite a lot. Usually a holding player. As I've said, his versatility and experience could be invaluable. For a team who's only two downfalls are depth and defence it would be crazy to sell a player like Milner. Also a very good role model for the young squad.

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{Ed025's Note - i like milner..

30 Jul 2017 20:28:12
Hi Eds, I'm guessing you're sick of all the Coutinho talk. Id be more worried if Barcelona were trying to get Mane (who was our player of the season) . I hope we keep pip, but I'd be more worried if they were in for Mane.

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{Ed002's Note - That would be Inter who are interested in Mane.}

30 Jul 2017 20:57:39
Just shows what a top bunch of players we have amassed that clubs like Barca, Inter and Juventus want to sign them.

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30 Jul 2017 21:04:57
Can inter afford £200m? 😉.

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30 Jul 2017 20:25:14
With kieta seemingly impossible we are now being linked with the likes of emre Mor and pullisic. Can the eds shed any light on these?

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{Ed002's Note - Emre Mor is available on loan and there are on going talks with other clubs. I can't see he would get close to Liverpool's first team. Pulisic sounds like recycled news - he is a LW which LFC need but it would then mean Coutinho being sold and Salah taking over I would guess - so I don't know, my comments are speculative.}

31 Jul 2017 09:31:14
I thought Pulisic is prodominantly a Rw/ rm although he has played on left a few times (twice last season for bvb) Dortmund get the best out of him in an Am role. Although this may change onder new boss Bosz?

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30 Jul 2017 20:07:06
Hi eds, reading that the ox could be off to Stoke. (For some reason that seems like a good fit) have we ceased any interest in him now? If so do you know why? Would rather we made sure to keep Can than splash out for the ox. Would like to have both, I think he would bring something different to the party. Speed and strength.

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{Ed002's Note - I have never understood the interest - he is HG which I guess helps. Stoke are in a good place financially and can buy players like that. If Chelsea were keen it would be to convert to a wing back.}

30 Jul 2017 20:29:30
Unless they strengthen, I'd be worried for Stoke. Arnotovic was part of half of their goals and they let him go. Not easy to replace.

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30 Jul 2017 20:31:08
I've never understood the interest in Ox either, baffling.

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30 Jul 2017 20:54:11
And the other half EP, Johnny Walters.

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30 Jul 2017 22:01:31
Always assumed Ox would be wing back if he came.

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31 Jul 2017 06:17:28
Versatile home grown and a very decent player on his day. I think he would add depth to our squad and provide cover to several positions where his pace and power would be a real asset.

No brainer for me!

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{Ed001's Note - yep, I agree, you would need to have no brain to think he was worth buying when he is only 'decent'. You buy players to better what you have, not to fill a slot on the bench so you don't have to give youth players a chance.}

31 Jul 2017 16:36:30
Ox is a poor player and would not make our bench, Beddoe. We have better players in our reserves than him and does not make us better in any way, not even in squad depth. Typical Arsenal player which is why they are getting nowhere fast under AW.

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30 Jul 2017 18:01:17
Looks like clyne will miss start of season with back injury. Do you think milner will start at RB or does klopp have enough faith in young trent to give him the start?

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30 Jul 2017 18:27:07
neither. Gomez will start there based on what clop said yesterday and his performance.

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30 Jul 2017 18:30:23
Has to be Trent, nothing against Milner but Trent needs a run of games to prove that he can be the teams first choice RB.

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30 Jul 2017 18:32:21
Just read that TAA is training seperately to everyone else on a specific program to make sure he's in prime condition. I would assume that means Klopp is looking to him for rb. Although he could turn to Milner still obviously. Personally think TAA deserves a chance.

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30 Jul 2017 18:32:30
TAA for me as yr post stands. Has Milner done RB for Lpool? Is it standard understanding on here that Milner will slot in no probs. Just curious is all ✌.

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30 Jul 2017 18:55:26
TAA for me.

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30 Jul 2017 18:57:38
Have southampton not got a rb we can buy?

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30 Jul 2017 19:22:20
It's going to be Gomez at RB.

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30 Jul 2017 20:03:44
Taa will do well there but klopp may want to protect the lad from the insane pressures of premiership. Ya know, a couple of mistakes and he is doomed to play for sunderland in perpetual twilight. Milner is good for solid cover there, obviously right footed so would be fine. got to give the youngster a chance though. I remember another promising youngster who started his senior career at Liverpool at RB. Whatever happened to him? ;didn't he win the European cup?

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30 Jul 2017 20:04:16
Let's all ask square tomato, he should know! 🤔.

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30 Jul 2017 20:04:17
Clyne's injury could very well see him drop down the pecking order as Gomez or TAA could show to be capable of producing better results at RB.

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30 Jul 2017 20:11:45
personally i think its TAA if i recall right he played against united last season at rb so hopefully he should be up to the job i think he is and someone said earlier if we are lucky he pushes clyne out.

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30 Jul 2017 20:22:51
Gomez, Klopp said in an interview he'd cover the full back positions as TAA is offensively ready to start but defensively still has to improve a lot.

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30 Jul 2017 21:24:34
I thought Gomez looks better defensively. TAA definatelyou at some point during the season but I'm not sure if it should be straight away.

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31 Jul 2017 00:50:43
Flanagan's been getting some minutes in friendlies, long shot but maybe he's in contention, anyone know how he's been getting on?

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31 Jul 2017 01:44:30
I think Klopps reasoning is that the youg lads have a way higher level of attacking play tha they do defending play, its to be able to attack while being always aware of your position in case of a counter attack .
Easier said than done I think.
He also mentioned about them working on processing the ball quicker while attacking.

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31 Jul 2017 03:06:39
From Klopps comments, guessing Gomez will be playing, as I'm sure he'll want to be sure we're defensively solid first game out. I'd expect Milner to start LB rather than throwing in Robbo deep end.

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31 Jul 2017 16:37:05
I would prefer TAA as he offers more going forward but I will understand if Klopp goes with Gomez at least to assure that we are defensively sound from the jump. I do think we have enough quality to get at Watford even if Gomez does not offer more going forward.

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30 Jul 2017 10:07:15
Reports are saying we are ready to move in for Barcelona player rafinha, would they sell to us if we are not willing to sell coutinho?

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{Ed002's Note - He was offered around previously and Barcelona would certainly be open to including him in a deal for Coutinho as he is very much a fringe player in order to reduce the cash commitment. If enough were offered by Liverpool they may be happy with a straight sale.}

30 Jul 2017 10:32:08
Might we be interested in him then at this time, seperate to Coutinho?

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona would likely be interested in discussing him in the framework of the Coutinho discussions initially but to the best of my knowledge there has been no talk of him thus far. For the next few days Barcelona has to deal with the Neymar situation.}

30 Jul 2017 10:51:22
I know this is the Liverpool page, but I feel it impacts coutinho, what is the situation with Neymar?

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{Ed002's Note - PSG would like to buy him.}

30 Jul 2017 10:56:20
Ed although he is a fringe player at Barcelona do you know if he is generally highly thought of in terms if ability at Barcelona and around Europe? I guess Sanchez was surplus to requirements at Barcelona and he turned out ok didn't he.

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{Ed002's Note - He has been there about 10 years so they see something in him. I am not sure if he has played for Brazil yet.}

30 Jul 2017 11:50:11
such an average player, I'd be amazed if this isn't bs.

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30 Jul 2017 12:36:44
Great family heritage but I'd rather break bank for his brother Thiago.

Reckon it's bull. How often do these player swaps materialise as lots of personal things to sort out.

We were supposed to get Sanchez in Suarez one etc. I remember Nunez for Owen too clearly so steer away


Also, I believe Sanchez was forced out of Barcelona by Messi power. He was a great player, and was my worlds best at the time he was at Udinese, so different scenario for me that one.

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30 Jul 2017 12:48:31
He's had caps for Brazil but only 2,doesn't mean anything really as most countries hand out caps for fun. The worry for me is that he's never played regular at Barcelona and he's 24 and the few times I have seen him (not enough to make a good judgement) he's not stood out, not a patch on his brother.

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30 Jul 2017 13:12:22
Bear in mind though that some players flourish when they get a chance to play more regularly or in their best position. Few of us had heard much of Coutinho or Firmini before they came to Liverpool. Also it's not too much disgrace to not be a regular at Barcelona. As long as he's got ability and a decent attitude why not give him a chance.

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30 Jul 2017 15:34:14
Actually, Coutinho was well known across Europe as a young talent (Rafa tried to sign him for us as a teenager), as for Firmino, anyone familiar with the Bundesliga knew about him as he'd been scoring regularly for Hoffenheim for a few years.

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30 Jul 2017 15:37:26
Because you don't replace your best player with someone "to just give them a shot" haha!

That's not how you improve mate!

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30 Jul 2017 15:57:37
Playing for Brazil doesn't mean anything anymore. Fred was a regular starting player and he stunk to high hell, and anyway, I think Ed001 said that the Brazilian national sides are picked by sponsors.

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{Ed001's Note - Nike had a contract that was revealed recently, that allowed them to pick the squad for friendlies.}

30 Jul 2017 16:31:10
What is this 'Messi power'?

Is it that others players egos cannot except that they are good enough, or that Messi calls up the 'footballer of Barcelona ego club' union together, in which he chairs an important meeting in how to force out anyone who comes close to taking over the reign as Barcas best?

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30 Jul 2017 16:37:10
Yes but just because they were involved in a deal doesn't mean they would be a straight replacement for Coutinho. The point I'm making is the profile of Coutinho and Firmino has greatly increased since joining Liverpool. Why do we get such dumb answers sometimes.

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30 Jul 2017 16:34:12
Ed mate, not trying to pin you down, I respect your opinion. If you were a betting man would you sat coutinio is going to leave this year?

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{Ed001's Note - I am not a betting man.}

30 Jul 2017 16:50:33
Agree Razor. I quite like Vázquez at Real. Watched him a few times. He's now where near coutinho level but who really is. I thought when we signed firmino it was preparing for life without coutinho.

Just got to do our best to keep him as long as we can. Be nice to get someone in early that can try and be ready to take over when he leaves.

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30 Jul 2017 17:15:33
Good answer eds. I just need daily reassurance is all mate. Personally think rahifina would be a great signing. Not as bit part deal but straight buy.

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30 Jul 2017 19:31:30
Tbf you'd have to be some player to force your way into the bar a midfield at any point over the last 10 years.

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30 Jul 2017 20:46:32
Rafinha and Vazquez are the new Antonio Nunez. Don't try and pretend they're even capable of replacing Coutinho. To sell a top class player like him and replace him with either of them would be a disastrous move.

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30 Jul 2017 08:49:28
I hope fermino proves me wrong this season, my opinion is not based on these preseason games but last seasons campaign as well.
He frustrates me so much, he does seem to have the ability but doesn't produce it anywhere near often enough for me.

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{Ed025's Note - for me trevor he is a very talented player who is being played out of position due to the lack of real centre forward, him and couts are very similar but are vying for one place and with sick note sturridge always on the treatment table he is the scapegoat to fill the striker spot, if couts does go and you purchase a real goalscorer then firmino can play just behind him in his true role and i believe liverpool would be a stronger team mate..

30 Jul 2017 09:41:32
Have to agree with being out of position. One of the best games I've seen Firmino play was against City when he was on the LW and he was immense. Striker he is not. Very capable attacking Mid be is.

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30 Jul 2017 09:54:25
He's perfect for the no.10 role in a diamond. him linking play behind Sturridge and Origi is where I think he'd be lethal. apparently was one of the most frequent passers of through balls in the bundesleague when he played no.10 there.

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30 Jul 2017 10:05:01
He doesn't stop running, he creates so much space for those behind him, i think its a little harsh to single him out.

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30 Jul 2017 10:09:11
I can see what you mean Eds 25 the one thing I would say is that couts and salad seem to already struck up an understanding with couts vision and salah pace to get in behind.

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30 Jul 2017 10:35:47
Surely, if Coutinho goes, the most logical move is to buy a striker and move Firmino into midfield? Does anyone else see it that way?
Keep Sturridge as an option or even try Solanke? He can't stop scoring!

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30 Jul 2017 10:37:15
Agree fully with the ed but got slated for a similar comment.

Coutinho could be replaced with a true forward and wiuld shine in the Coutinho position.

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30 Jul 2017 10:39:23
He's being played out of position, but the wing is not his strongest place.

If Coutinho goes, I would drop him into central attacking midfield. Agree with Zimbo -- they're actually very similar players, with excellent vision and playmaking.

Firmino can play CF, but he is more of a playmaker than a striker. He also has the strength and defensive abilities to play in central midfield, arguably more so than Coutinho in this way.

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30 Jul 2017 10:59:04
To me it looks like we were trying to buy Keita in advance to soften the blow if Coutinho leaving. You know what it's like when you sell your best player and everyone's frantic about trying to find a replacement. Also other teams know your desperate. Perhaps they've decided not to sell him unless a replacement comes in first.

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30 Jul 2017 10:59:20
I think people get hung up on goals - it is true Firmino is not going to smash 25 goals in a season, but his pressing, his vision, his touch, his intelligence, they all lead to chances and all contribute to our system and how we play. I honestly think he is the best fit for the role in our team - if you only count goals then perhaps not but if we look at the bigger picture he works well in the role he has and I'm not sure there is anyone else at the club who could fill it. Just my two cents.

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30 Jul 2017 11:08:12
Dunno, I quite like firmino up top, we didn't exactly struggle for goals last season, I know he didn't score as many as some of us would have liked, but you can't deny the work he did on the front line led to a good chunk of goals for the rest of the team.
If coutinho goes then it does seem logical to buy a striker and give firmino the playmaker role but be careful what you wish for I think, full on strikers never have the workrate that firmino gives you and the likes of Mane and Salah could struggle as a result.

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30 Jul 2017 11:36:04
People seem to think if we buy a goalscorer it will reduce goals scored by other people. Well it wouldn't, you only have to look at Barca, Real and Bayern etc to see that it would mean us scoring more goals. Just because we had a world class goal scorer up front wouldn't stop Coutinho, Lallana, Can, Wijnaldum, Mane and Salah having efforts on goal. It would just mean out of the 20 odd chances a game we create more will be finished.

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30 Jul 2017 11:36:34
For me Sturridge, Solanke, Ings, Firmino as reserve and the other youngsters should get a try up top IF Countinho leaves. Firmino in behind with Mane and Salah wide forwards. Invest the money in centre back and right back. Try and keep Can and use Grugic a bit more this year.

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30 Jul 2017 11:37:36
Have also seen a few lazy nods towards another try for Pulisic.

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30 Jul 2017 12:50:56
There just isn't many top forwards around at the moment and even fewer available.

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30 Jul 2017 14:40:43
Firminho is more like rivaldo were couthino is more like ronaldinho both play off the front man / inside forward just different types people moan about when you play a right sided centre back on the left side how hard it is to adjust think about how hard it is to change into a front man.

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30 Jul 2017 15:04:44
Klopp could play a 4-2-3-1 system with firmino behind the striker if coutinho goes (I hope not) . there's plenty of options for Klopp.

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30 Jul 2017 16:40:15
The fact klopp uses firminio as a make shift cf tells us all we need to know. Your most skillful, naturally gifted player is usually your forward. Although he can frustrate a little sometimes he can also have you jumping out of your seat. Fantastic player, hope hd gets a chance to play that no 10 role this year. Impressed with training reports on DS so we could well see rf in his proper position.

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30 Jul 2017 16:52:09
Firmino needs to stop trying to be so cute in his finishes infront of goal.

He did it yesterday trying a chip when he was 1v1. He should of just put his foot through it low and hard. Every other part of his game is good for an attacker.

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30 Jul 2017 17:48:53
Coutinho makes our midfield tick. The only replacement for him in the squad is Lallana. Firmino continues to be our best striker, and not because of scoring goals. His pressing style and creativity are great for our team. Personally feel coutinho is worth more to our team than Neymar to Barcelona and wouldn't sell him unless we could fund keita VVD and a replacement with his transfer. He is on the verge of having an incredible year and we will sorely regret letting him go this late in the window.

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30 Jul 2017 18:55:08
Firmino can become a top class striker
Perhaps finishing classes from Rushie and Robbie may help.

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30 Jul 2017 20:16:14
You can't teach what rush and Robbie have. Killer instinct, natural goal scorers who instinctively know where the goal is. Kane has it, suarez has it. We have some highly talented forwards but not sure we have a natural goal scorer. Solanke looks promising. With someone like rush, they would score no matter who they played for and no matter who they play against. Youth team, first team w/ e. These people get goals simple. Saying that, if Danny starts and stays fit I fancy him to go plus twenty all competitions. Solanke will score if he plays. He has already proved that.

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31 Jul 2017 10:47:04
I hope and pray he does not leave us. But if he does we should get a 100 million and Rakitic, anyone who doesn't appreciate Rakitic doesn't understand football. Predominantly played at the right of midfield he has still excelled in a Barcelona team with MSN. His game would suite premier league as well. Technically and tactically astute player. Rest all players offered are not at his level .

From that cash get VVD and Aubameyang.
4-2-3-1; Clyne Matip VVD Robertson ; Hendo Rakitic; Salah Firmino Mane: Aubameyang.

PS:- I am 31 year old, transfer market really brings the child out of us :)

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31 Jul 2017 14:22:36
Definitely agree with the view that a goal scorer for him to drop in behind he'd be much more valued. He missed a fair number of chances that an out and out scorer would have got but does things to create and spread play that a scorer doesn't. As someone else said, the assumption those other goals dry up if a natural finisher comes in is wrong. The team missed plenty of chances last season that a finisher would be scoring whilst still scoring plenty of goals.

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