Liverpool Rumours Archive November 26 2015

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26 Nov 2015 23:18:31
So it's bad news! Sturridge out for a further 12 weeks! Top player WHEN fit, but that is nowhere near often enough! I fear his time is up!

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27 Nov 2015 02:31:05
Could any of the eds let me know if there has ever been a player with this many injuries to different parts of the body? And how did their respective clubs treat them in relation to getting them back fit or getting rid?

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{Ed001's Note - whenever a player has a long term injury, they then pick up niggles and knocks constantly as they attempt to return to full fitness. It is normal. You just have to be cautious with them and keep your fingers crossed as luck plays a huge part.}

27 Nov 2015 04:16:23
Where you heard this?

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27 Nov 2015 04:38:12
Doubt the club would be revealing the results of a scan at 11pm.

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27 Nov 2015 10:45:00
12 weeks out?
Is the scan not taking place this afternoon?

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27 Nov 2015 11:26:36
How long are we going to keep waiting and waiting for him?
Surely its time to free up that wage.

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27 Nov 2015 13:24:27
Klopp has said its not too bad, I think another 12 weeks wouldn't fall in this category.

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27 Nov 2015 15:41:48
So, is Jurgen saying that Dan just needs to get his big boy pants on and take some man up pills?

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27 Nov 2015 16:13:50
No I think he's saying he's not going to be out for 12 weeks.

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27 Nov 2015 18:02:10
The gaffer has said the player needs to learn the difference between serious pain and (just) pain. Doesn't sound favourable really.

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27 Nov 2015 19:03:36
I said on here 6 moths ago that he was mentally weak and unwilling to play unless 100% fit - and get slagged for it.

Well done to Robboz for pointing out what Klopp is saying about serious pain and pain?

We cannot afford to carry a player on his wages unless we get over 30 games a season out of him at least and that is all there is to it.

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27 Nov 2015 20:48:55
It would be good to hear the EDS view on DS and his mental toughness. Ed1 as a fan especially.

Makes me laugh, in both previous posts in this thread I am saying the same thing effectively. No one agrees with first, no one disagrees with the second.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know the details well enough, nor the lad, to know if he struggles with mental toughness. He is certainly mentally tough enough to continue to have great self belief even when no one else believed he was capable of leading a line.

My issue with Sturridge is his off field activities, far too much time hanging round with musicians etc, when he should be concentrating on his recovery. Just because he doesn't drink, which is a good thing for an athlete, doesn't mean late nights aren't damaging his fitness.}

26 Nov 2015 11:34:08
Tonight's teams I'm reliably informed will be.
Migs, Clyne, Toure, Lovren, Moreno, Milner, Lucas, Allen, Ibe, Benteke, Firmino.

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26 Nov 2015 12:17:26
Dissapointed to see no youth at all - would much prefer to give Branagan another game over Allen.

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26 Nov 2015 12:52:27
Crucial Ibe gets a good game tonight. His width should compliment Benteke.

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26 Nov 2015 12:56:36
Qualify then give youth an opportunity.

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26 Nov 2015 12:57:37
But will his crosses compliment benteke? His final delivery has been poor so far, hope he improves in this area and proves me wrong!

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26 Nov 2015 13:13:34
If we win today, we qualify for the next phase with a game in hand, and Klopp can put in the kids for the last game if needed.

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26 Nov 2015 13:57:01
'Qualify then give youth a chance'. Very similar sentiments to the dual paradox of 'you can't risk youth when you're fighting for a title' coupled with 'if you're losing you can't put the pressure on youth to turn it around'.

Play youth when its sensible to. Like when you're other midfield option is the terminally ineffective Joe Allen.

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26 Nov 2015 14:41:32
Think ibe will be on the left, milner will be on the right supplying benteke crosses.

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26 Nov 2015 15:23:28
If we qualify tonight, won't we want to avoid a champions league team and try and win the group?

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26 Nov 2015 23:07:53
As I said, Ibe has terrible distribution, oh well, good result though, also firmino had a shocker after how well he played at city!

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26 Nov 2015 05:45:03
hi ED02 . could you give some info about this tribunal regarding Ings transfer fee.
what are the basis of Burnleys evaluation of more than 10 million pounds and is it fair?
Why does Liverpool have to pay such high fees even though Ings contract was finished.
Is it because of the money spent by Burnley on his development?

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{Ed002's Note - The date, as far as I know has yet to be set - but it will be in the New Year. The Professional Football Compensation Committee will be formed to listen to cases put forward to justify why Burnley want what they do and why Liverpool only wish to pay a lesser amount. The members of the tribunal will typically include an independent contracts lawyer as a Chair, a representative of the leagues that the clubs play in (EPL and Championship) and two footballing representatives (probably one from an EPL side and one from a Championship side).

The onus was on the clubs to agree a fee and Burnley would have settled for something in the region of £7M-£8M. Liverpool initially offered £4M and eventually raised the offer to close to £6M. The Burnley figure of "£12M" is unconfirmed and speculation based on an offer Spurs made for the player.

The tribunal will take account of Ings now being a full England International. If I had to guess I suspect they will settle on a figure around £8M or so.

The reason for compensation being required is because the player is under 24. Burnley will have to pay part of the compensation to Bournemouth.}

26 Nov 2015 12:34:35
Ed02.I had read that they couldn't take the fact that he was now a full England international in account as this only happened AFTER he joined Liverpool. They could only look at the player he was etc while still at Burnley.
Does this make sense?

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{Ed002's Note - No, they can and will take it in to account.}

26 Nov 2015 21:26:10
will the fee be made public ed or will it be "undisclosed"?

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{Ed002's Note - All fees are in the public domain as they have to be registered with UEFA.}

26 Nov 2015 21:46:53
cheers ed going to be intresting to see the out come. he was doing well before injury. will be good value I'm sure.

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{Ed002's Note - I would agree Matt.}

25 Nov 2015 21:19:00
Good Evening Eds,

ED002, if you are about. over the last 12 months or so, you have wrote some really interesting articles in regards to the pan European breakaway in which I have read with great interest

You have mentioned the meetings that take place (every 6 months in Monaco? . I might be wrong)

Has there been any meetings in the last 3 to 6 months that have happened, and if so, could you share any info that may of come out of them?

Or is it still work in progress?

Is it still attended by the G14? If I remember rightly this all the clubs who have won the Champions league since Porto in 2004

When it comes to the breakaway, how will it be decided what clubs go into it?

And who will be the governing body?

Apologies in advance if you may of answered these questions before . I thought I would try and bring a conversation to the table away from Klipperty etc as I have really enjoyed reading your lengthy and informative replies on this topic before

All the best

kemlynroad65.

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{Ed002's Note - The meetings were annually but now they happen two and sometimes three times a year. There is a meeting in December - and there will be a discussion about the state of FIFA, the situation with UEFA and a so far unpublished claim from a retired referee that the result of a Champions League game was influenced by a third party. The last meeting was at the end of August and included discussions about media rights and a proposal from two clubs that Timing wise, two very prominent clubs, club vs country issues and a proposal to change the forma of the UEFA League. Much of the time was taken up with a proposal from two sides who wish to see a breakaway league much sooner than has other wise been discussed. It went to a vote where they had support from one other side with two abstaining.

In terms of attendees it includes some but not all of the G14 sides. The sides that eventually have the opportunity to go in to a breakaway in the first instance will be the sides partaking in the meetings.

They have been unable to agree on a Governing body, but it will need to be new and independent.}

26 Nov 2015 10:52:44
Many thanks for the info, both appreciated and interesting.

As Liverpool had representatives in the original G14 (I have noticed this was disbanded in 2008 and replaced by a European FA with around a 100 clubs in it now) . do we still have a presence at these Monaco meetings?

Also Eds, have any more discussions taken place in regards to travelling / away fans, and if the clubs that do breakaway are actually going to have an away section in the ground?

Best regards.

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{Ed002's Note - The European Club Association has no involvement in any of this, nor in anything else of note. Liverpool are not involved in any of the discussions. All fans will be welcome to the games.}

26 Nov 2015 12:08:54
I know you say it is going to happen, I just think it will be bad for football. I know it needs to be restructured a bit, but who will be able to afford to go to away games more than once or twice a season if it was across Europe. I'm not sure how many teams you said would be in the league, but I recall you saying there would eventually be two leagues, but without champions league games, and say for English teams, no fa cup or league cup games, that's a lot less games. I know there will be more good games on, if there is another league, but I would still support Liverpool, presumably still in the epl, watch their games and only watch other games when I have time.
If the champions league was still around it would be Europa league teams mostly with a few extras.
Again, I know you said it is happening, but I pray it doesn't.

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{Ed002's Note - There is little doubt that eventually this will happen. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many English pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis.}

30 Nov 2015 14:44:05
Is it possible that clubs could field two teams, one in the "EPL" and one in their national league with players being interchanged. Would they be allowed to?

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{Ed002's Note - No - that won't happen. Once the clubs go they will go for good.}