Liverpool Rumours Archive June 18 2013

 

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18 Jun 2013 21:22:35
Just a couple of questions for Ed002 if he is around, apologies in advance that they are about Mkhitaryan, as I'm sure you are fed up of talking about him. Anyway, if you don't mind, has he got a clause in his contract? Yesterday his manager said something like there isn't much he could do if Mkhitaryans release clause is met, whereas today he is hinting at there being no such clause, and them rejecting an offer for the amount of the apparent clause. With them being known as notoriously hard to deal with, if there is no such clause, we would surely be having to pay more than the rumoured amount, would we not?
Secondly, there seems to be reports growing of interest from Monaco, do you know if this is the case? With him looking for a big pay day, I'd be worried of him choosing them.
Thanks.
JFT96
Smithy {Ed002's Note - There is no "clause" relating to forcing the club to accept a particular fee or the player to move. There was mention in a radio interview in Austria that the fee might be €5M than previously mentioned. That'll come out in the wash. I am not aware that Monaco are intending to put an effort to sign the player and understand that they did not show interest when initially approach - for now I would not concern yourself with that.}

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OK, thanks Ed002, so his clause is similar to that of Suarez then? If you have got the time, can I ask what the point is of putting such a clause in a players contract, when really it is effectively pointless? If a club doesn't have to accept it, then what purpose does it really serve?
JFT96
Smithy {Ed002's Note - No, I think you are a little confused - these "clauses" seem to be getting folks in a bit of a mess. What Suarez has relates to something his folks added in not the club. Other than that, clauses are a horribly complex area. The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about three years ago.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Hulk at Porto for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested. Examples are Goetze who decide he wanted to move and Cavani who, regardless of two offers were made that matched or equated to his then "release clause" recognised Napoli did not sell and accepted a new package. Now of course Napoli say they will listen to offers above €60M or so.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another. This is what Malaga are trying to agree with Isco. Malaga are looking to have Isco sign a new long-term contract because they do fear a move for the player this month. Malaga wanted 21M euros and have now negotiated an increase in a termination clause to 42M euros (€35M for the transfer and €7M covering some other costs), using a pay rise to tempt the player to agree.}

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Great post, thanks for that ED002

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Thanks Ed002, appreciate it.
JFT96
Smithy

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18 Jun 2013 17:58:36
Ed002 is Thiago leaving Barcelona? You say Tello may be used in a deal for Suarez is it possible they could use Thiago?

Red87 {Ed002's Note - I can confirm that Manchester United made a couple of offers two years ago for him but no recent offer has yet been made. However, I expect an offer from Manchester United to soon be made as there is clear interest in the player. Do not discount an offer from elsewhere - notably Bayern Munich or even just possibly Manchester City nor Barcelona hanging on to the player. There also remains a thought that Barcelona may look to include Thiago part of an offer for another player from another club - so perhaps there is a little twist to come. You need to read up on what I said about Barcelona's interest in Suarez after his representatives approached the,.}

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Ed002 - What did you say about Barcelona's interest in Suarez? I can't find it on the Search? {Ed002's Note - That his representatives approached Barcelona and at that time they were not interested in him.}

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18 Jun 2013 15:45:17
Eds, are we or any other club interested in Georginio Wijnaldum? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - Napoli, Swansea, Spurs, Lille and Benfica have shown interest in Wijnaldum over the past 6 months or so but Napoli are keen to strike a deal. PSV will not be keen to sell and he could be very expensive.}

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18 Jun 2013 11:49:06
I have heard news that will dampen LFC fans' sprits. Mkhirityan is a replacement for Suarez and FSG are going to put the rest of the cash from Suarez into redevelopment (some may see this as good). A bid of around £15 mill will be placed for Papa as soon as Carroll moves to WH.

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Redevelopment into what? there baseball team? they need to stump up the cash or move on because this is the season to really go for it with city, utd, chelsea, everton and maybe spurs changing manager and arsenal not spending big again we have a chance {Ed002's Note - The owners put up cash every year. Other clubs can change manager without needing a season in transition or whatever you are expecting to impact the other clubs.}

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Man Utd will suffer some sort of transitional lapse next season, Moyes has dumped some of the coaching staff so it's not just Fergie whose gone.

Man City will surely do better than last season's efforts, even with the new manager settling in.

Chelsea are tricky to call but I expect them to challenge despite what Jose says.

The only way we can take advantage next season is by proving the lack of European football to be a fitness advantage, as well as relishing the return to Saturday matches (more often than not).

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Well hopefully he won't be banned for half the season, that may help

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I'm sick of Suarez. To be honest, when he bit Ivanovic I was coming to the opinion that he needs to go as biting is neanderthal and unbelievably unacceptable in a modern World. His verbal shenanigans in the summer means that I will now be happy to see the back of him. Sure, he scored a bag full of goals but nobody is irreplaceable and we did score goals when he was banned at the end of the season too.

Goodbye Mr Suarez and good riddance. Onwards and upwards!

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Except they don't occupy the same position, and they were looking at HM before the suarez rumours surfaced. Sounds like hot air to me. sorry.

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Why always the snarky remarks about the baseball team? The baseball team supports itself, unlike the football team.

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Suarez to go is the best choice we could do. We have sturidge, borini and yet to use yesil. Assasaidi should be used next next season with a cheeky bid for Moses and Mari n. Brendan like his wingers so sell downing and get McMahon from Wigan. Suarez is far to greedy when he has to play alone.

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FSG have put plenty of money into the team, we are potentially signing 6 new first team players this summer, while shifting some deadwood.
It's not about the amount of money spent either, it's about value for money and I think the powers that be are doing some great business.
Books still need to be balanced at the end of the day or you end up being another Portsmouth, Leeds, Southampton.
Also, even though playing for Liverpool still has huge pulling power when attracting players, until you can get into CL, you are seldom going to attract certain kind of players and transfers and money spent should reflect that.

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Ed002 said a long time back (and I agree) that any acquisitions this year will likely have to be from sales as LFC absolutely needs to be more self-sufficient moving forward. Personally, I suspect our net spend will equal the outs minus maybe 10-15% to cover all the other costs of transactions (say 70M out 60M in or something like that). I don't think 25M from the owners pockets was ever on the table to be honest.

I'm pretty sure there will be much grumbling on here when the transfer window is closed, unfortunately, about how we got all this money for Suarez, Carroll, Reina, etc. and spent less than that on Mkhitaryan, Aspas, Alberto, Ilori, Mignolet, and a 'free' Toure. It's all very irrelevant as we won't know if it was a 'good thing' or not until the season is over (although for me something like the above seems like it might just work).

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Nothing really to dampen the spirit, we already know he's going and Aspas is more of a replacement for him than Mkhitaryan.

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18 Jun 2013 16:52:31
Sorry mate but FSG have consistently been putting up money year after year. They have also cut costs at the club year.

I see that we are trying to get a few decent palyers in and trying to get a 20mil player. Sounds like they are investing to me.

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That wouldn't dampen my spirits. I've said before, Mickey is going to be one of the best players in the world.

Gazline

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Firstly. they don't play the same position, so that's just drivel talk. Second. when we spend 50m/60m+ this window, I don't think a statement like "the rest will go into redeveloping" actually means anything. BR looks like he's getting all the funding he wants to bring in who he wants. So if that happens, what does it matter how much happens to be left over or not?? It suggests FSG are courting a move for the money. But you'll be guaranteed BR will prob try his best (as slim as it might seem now) to try hold onto Suarez. So how could you know what FSG are going to do with money they aren't pushing to acquire?
Posts like this just irritate me! Pointless and useless drivel.

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Heard this morning on citytalk (radio station) in Liverpool from a fell called Neil Atkinson that he thinks Suarez will be a Liverpool player come September as it looks like Madrid are signing cavani and bayern have other targets and barca are not interested he went on to say that he thought that the plan was for Suarez to stay and next season he could leave if certain targets aren't met. I'm presuming this is just opinion and not the gospel truth so don't start on me. Just passing on what I've heard. Forgot to say aswell that he mentioned that Suarez himself has done a bit of backtracking on things he has said to the media so he doesn't burn all his bridges. justpassing the info on folks

Davylivercabs {Ed002's Note - The bridges have been burned Davy.}

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18 Jun 2013 18:27:38
I don't know about anyone else, but redevelopment. screams stadium to me. {Ed002's Note - As opposed to?}

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18 Jun 2013 19:03:49
I really wouldn't get too hung up on "positions". BR likes versatile players who understand his desire for fluidity in attack. The Armenian chap looks pacy and clearly play in a variety of "positions". On what very little I've seen of him, I suspeect he fits well within the BR masterplan. I'm less convinced that Suarez fits into the FSG masterplan, particularly since his latest ban (and prior to his rather sour, media led apparent desire to leave).

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I'm not so sure that we should be trying to hold on to Suarez now. It's already been said that we scored quite a few goals whilst he wasn't in the team and with all these new faces being proposed as additions, if only half turn out to be more like Coutinhos then I'll be thrilled.
As for Suarez. with all his rantings these last few weeks about how the club should listen to what he wants. and using a made up story about a ficticious photo shoot in Manchester I wouldn't at all be surprised if that bite which cost him the 10-match ban was premeditated. Yes, he's scored some quite phenominal goals but he definitely has become an embarrassment now.

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I'm happy with the players were getting, if suarez pays for a big chunk of the ground expansion and by that the long term development and future of the club, brilliant.

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Where to start

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This one is a classic!

suprised no one has put a fire under neath it, but then again that would be a waste of a flame.

R2tB

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Even as a Liverpool fan. United will finish at least 3rd

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Quite the opposite. We get rid of Suarez and we get money left over to put to other uses.

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How about Keep Suarez! An attacking 3 of Aspas Mkhitaryan Coutinho just behind Suarez with Sturridge Sterling Alberto in reserve. We could win the league!

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Well Luis is gone, how much will we get for him? £40million isn't enough because we won't be able to attract another player of his quality to such a small football club. They might as well offer us £100 million.

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As they don't play in the same position, how is he a direct replacement?
doesn't add up

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Has Suaréz gone?? Have I missed something!

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18 Jun 2013 06:45:25
Morning Edworths,

Adam Maher, very good CAM, have we looked at him? I think this guy can be a world class player. And probably would cost much more than 12-15 million.

JME {Ed002's Note - Back in the day Liverpool, Leicester, West Ham and Augsburg enquired about Adam Maher. More recently Manchester City, Hamburg and Arsenal have made their interest clear but the player has said he will not move unless he can be assured of playing in the first team and would rather stay where he is for a couple of years to develop. Regardless, Ajax plan to buy Maher this summer as a replacement for Eriksen.}

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Does that mean we will get Eriksen? I would rather get him than Maher. {Ed002's Note - No.}

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Hi Ed, I was told that PSV have agreed a deal for Maher following the sale of Lens, do you know if this is true? [FR] {Ed002's Note - Subject to a couple of things being figured out, Maher will become the replacement for Eriksen in all probability.}

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18 Jun 2013 03:46:53
Dortmunds director Michael Zorc has moved to cool rumours of cristian eriksen saying "It is with amazement that I read the rumours surrounding Eriksen", Zorc told the Ruhr Nachrichten.

"But it is true that De Bruyne wants to come to Dortmund", he added.

Could be hope yet! {Ed002's Note - As I explained - there is no deal yet between Dortmund and Ajax but they have been talking. A complication is that Monaco may also make a bid.}

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If Monaco do make a bid will it impact on ocampos {Ed002's Note - No.}

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17 Jun 2013 23:44:22
Hi eds! great work with this site! What do you know about Benteke att Aston Villa. Is Liverpool interested or any other Club? He can't stay att Villa can he? {Ed001's Note - all I know is we inquired, but I expect him to stay at Villa for now.}

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I'm a Liverpool fan and a fan of Alonso but when the guy finally retires at least it will stop the constant questions to the eds and people ITK talking about him coming back. I've been reading this site for a few years now and every transfer window that opens this rumour is thrown about. It's getting boring, move on, be happy that we had a player of his calibre at the club and accept that his time with us has been and gone.

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Good player, there's no doubt about that!

Yet for Liverpool? no chance, don't want him. he's not good enough for a big team, people forget how terrible Villa was, he was a decent player among rubbish. of course he was going to look good. put him in a team with equal/more quality, he'll be at best average. I hope ed001 you are correct m8

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With Suarez Liverpool were pretty average, hope you aren't hoping for fireworks next season DON

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17 Jun 2013 23:22:52
henrikh mkhitaryan to have a LFC medical on Tuesday.
Deal for Ilori is due to be agreed soon.
mignolet to be finished by the end of the week.
Also Luis alberto to be signed possibly on Wed.
All very positive signing for now and the future
YNWA *****

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No mate you've got it wrong, Mkhitaryan will not be having a medical tomorrow, likely to be towards the end of the week. Mignolet I agree, i'm sure it'll be done by the end of the week. yet who knows, I hope it is. Alberto won't be signed by wednesday, we're probably looking at next week for that signing to be completed. as much as we all want to see the signings completed now, these things take time, it won't all happen before the window opens.

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I hope your right.

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Will be a great signing hope its true

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Mkhitarayn won't sign for Liverpool.

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Hope he (Mkhitarayn) does sign he looks class and another missing cog player like the way Coutinho is fitting into the Liverpool of the 80's passing move style very iconic unique. in Brenden we trust YNWA

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Well, Tuesday has come and gone.

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Does the international transfer window not open on July 1st? So how can someone like Alberto and Mickey sign before that?

Only deals can be agreed but player signings will not happen before July 1st. yeah mignolet can move as he is in domestic league {Ed052's Note - Migs cannot sign for us yet, and neither could Carroll move, yet, as far as I am aware}

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