Liverpool Rumours Archive December 18 2016

 

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18 Dec 2016 18:55:35
Just a quick question for the ed's and anyone interested giving their opinion. With the neighbors looking to sell off Barkley were we ever interested or has he dropped off that badly. A few years ago I thought he had the makings to be a good midfielder and maybe a long term replacement for Stevie G. Admittedly I don't watch a lot of their games so would just appreciate some fed back on this, definitely not good enough for our team and the style we are playing under Klopp.

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{Ed001's Note - no chance of him ever joining us and he was never at Gerrard's level. He has suffered badly at the hands of poor coaching, but he is not as good as he was made out to be. Still got potential, but not at the level of the youngsters we have.}

18 Dec 2016 20:15:21
Thanks for the input.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

18 Dec 2016 20:18:58
Poor coaching but his heavy partying does not help.

I'm talking all night seshes here by the way.

He's his own worst enemy and only has himself to blame.

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{Ed001's Note - agreed, but a good coaching staff would have pulled him up on it, Bobby M just indulged the players.}

18 Dec 2016 21:51:08
Never seen the hype around Bartley. Bang average imo.

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{Ed025's Note - bartley is a decent player to be honest max, and if henderson gets the plaudits for being a good player then ross being miles ahead in ability terms should as well mate, take them rose tinted glasses off and you might see football in a different light..

19 Dec 2016 00:30:32
Shame how these good players lose their way like Barkley and Rodwell.

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19 Dec 2016 01:08:28
He looks a bit fat and out of shape to me.
Looks like he might be a wasted talent sadly.

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18 Dec 2016 22:26:16
I'm sorry ed but I had to post. You just said Berkeley is not as good as our youth but better than jordan Henderson? I'm not rose tinted, he could have been that player but can't see it now. Which is it? Btw I used to rate him but not now.

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{Ed025's Note - i never said he was not as good as your youth isedgodam, i cant actually think of a liverpool youth player who would get a game for accrington!, you dont bring young players through anymore you go out and buy from abroad like a lot of clubs and are part of the cause in the downfall of english football mate..

18 Dec 2016 22:29:36
ED025.

I would say naturally there is a lean towards your own players. But Barkley and Henderson are miles apart.

Even if Barkleys ability is that much better as you say its irrelevant if it's failed to be utilised. You're comparing a captain of a team, rewarded for his utmost discipline and commitment and the example he sets to others. He's also gaining quick ground in terms of his consistency. A player that is definitely improving constantly, whilst not playing in a position he's necessarily totally used to.

Then you have Barkley, someone that has capitulated in terms of his end product time after time, lacks any real consistency to his game and whos regularly in and out of the team. Add that to the fact that i'm guessing he's a bit of a party head by the comments above and i don't understand the comparison between him and Henderson in any footballing terms really.

Is it not you who has the blue tinted glasses on mate? ;) .

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{Ed025's Note - what i was pointing out smallsy was the difference of opinion that fans will have on players especially their own, we see ross as a talent who has all the attributes to become a very special player but has yet to reach those dizzy heights, we see jordan as a headless chicken who runs around a lot but is actually busy doing nothing, you see barkley as an overweight underachiever and henderson as the second coming...it was an exercise to see how different we see the game depending on which colours you don and i think i proved my point mate.. :)

18 Dec 2016 22:35:16
Ed hendo way better . Barkley can become a top player . But he looks overweight and he picks the Wrong ball most of the time and over runs to . Sorry just can't see the hype mate and hendo plays in a different postion . Now there postion Barkley plays in a number 10 so you should of said coutinho.

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{Ed025's Note - ross is not fit to lace coutinho,s boots MIB i will give you that, but as a footballer they are chalk and cheese, hendo is a forest gump type of player and will sit in the hall of fame alongside carlton palmer and seth johnson who,s contribution to football can only be described as miniscule mate.. :)

19 Dec 2016 07:06:31
I don't doubt his ability Ed, just that he's not playing aswel as he should be. Technically he is good. He always pulls out of 50/ 50 tackles or doesn't even tackle, doesn't track back as much as he should. I'm not comparing him to Henderson either.

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{Ed025's Note - he has been a serial underachiever max but there is something special in there just waiting to come out mate..my god i hope its tonight.. :)

19 Dec 2016 09:10:00
25 😂😂.

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19 Dec 2016 10:03:53
I like Ross, and had he been a red we'd all harbour greater whimsical hopes of him being the second coming of stevie. even more so that how some of us held hopes for the flase dawn that was rossiter.

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19 Dec 2016 12:13:15
You say we got being anyone thought. Sterling stuwert Ojo Ibe smith? i think your blue nos is coming through ed and what.

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{Ed025's Note - now i have deciphered your post i can tell you that raheem was a product of the QPR academy and the other 3 will make a living in the lower leagues as far as i can tell mate..

19 Dec 2016 12:35:54
Course you don't like Henderson if your a bitter. if you actually watched him you would see what he does and how important he is to liverpool. barkley is massively overrated. hendo has improved this season under klopp where as barkley gets worse every season and as soon as he finds any form he will be off to a bigger club. he's the next Rodwell. overated crap.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree that ross has somewhat underachieved abo but the guy does have talent unlike a certain mr henderson who is a great runner, but so is usain bolt but i would not want him in my side either..

19 Dec 2016 13:39:13
If you think Henderson is crap then I guess you have never played football. I guarantee the players around him appreciate what he does because he sacrifices his own personal glory in order to provide cover and back up in areas when others may get caught out of position. there are many types of players and those that play in the style of Hendo never get the recognition they deserve because he doesn't do all the fancy stuff. people say that we lost the league in Gerards final season because of his mistake against chelsea but it was really because a hole was left in our midfield when Hendo was suspended after the man city game and I think that demonstrated how much of an important player he is for a team that almost won the league that season and is arguably one of the best teams this season. also the season following the one we came runners up Hendo was plagued by injury and we didn't find any form as a team until he returned in thw latter part of the season so I think you need to take a closer look.

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{Ed025's Note - i never said he was crap slimz, just not very good at football, living in the city a lot of my friends are reds and most of them dont rate him either, hes a box to box player supposedly but never actually achieves anything, now if were talking about powerhouse box to box players we look at the likes of gana gueye, ya ya toure and n,golo kante...now they are the real deal mate..but its all about opinions in the end..

19 Dec 2016 17:10:54
Sterling was are club since he was 12th mate .

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{Ed002's Note - Sterling was 15 when purchased by Liverpool from QPR and he cost the club just under £600k initially. The club then paid a little less than £2.7M to QPR in add ons and a little under £8M when he was sold to Manchester City, Depending on additional monies that come for appearances, success etc. there, Liverpool could pay a further £1M to QPR for Sterling. As an aside Jordan Ibe joined from Wycombe Wanderers at 16.}

20 Dec 2016 06:18:16
Barkley showed that potential last night. dirty barstool. Typical toffee.

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20 Dec 2016 09:49:28
Ok I know we think we have grear youth. but did some seriouly offer up ibe, smith and stewart to compare with barkleym aw gummoooon.

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20 Dec 2016 15:13:56
Ed025 that's an interesting take on Hendo. I agree he doesn't do anything flashy. He passes back and sideways way too often. But he is vital to our team at the moment. His work rate is top notch which is vital to Klopps style. And he has been incredibly important to protecting the back line. Without hendo in there we would be leaking even more goals. He doesn't make many mistakes but doesn't take too many risks. It's okay to have a few of those players.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think it would be very entertaining Tj if a team had many of them mate, but i do appreciate that you are only backing your player mate...and i can live with that..

20 Dec 2016 21:50:29
I guess we'd never know Hendo's value to the team until he isn't there! also ed, is gueye a powerhouse? he seemed a bit lightweight and all over the show to me. but granted that was the only time I've wwatched him!

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{Ed025's Note - gana is the bees knees faithinworks, not much between him and kante i would say mate..

21 Dec 2016 11:40:14
Thus is actually hilarious. How anyone can still doubt headersons ability. And doesn't do anything flashy. Pretty sure he scored a contender for goal of the season already. Nearly got another against westham. Is one of our best long ball passers. And there is no need to mention all the other work he does. He is a captain. Likely to be Liverpool and England's for a while. Barkley doesn't come close and this yet another time players who look good and do something fancy once in a blue moon are supposedly more talented than those who do the smart and easier thing more often and are consistent top perfermers every week.

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18 Dec 2016 13:59:28
Any truth in the rumors about Thiago Maia. Just read it in the Irish Independent who rarely cover transfer news.

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{Ed002's Note - Santos' Thiago Maia is of interest to PSG, Monaco, Zenit and Napoli in addition to Chelsea, Fiorentina and Manchester United who all have sustained interest and spoke with his previous agent. He is one of three players at the Olympics that Chelsea were interested in and a bid is still expected after seemingly successful discussions were held with his new representative. PSG has spoken to Santos and after being rebuffed may return with an offer and Napoli have made it clear that they too are interested in making an offer, but the interest of Juventus, Monaco and Arsenal has waned - as the interest of Manchester United may have done. It is unlikely that any move will happen before the summer or potentially January 2018 unless an over the odds offer is made. Liverpool had a scout present at a Santos game in November (as did Zenit, Benfica and Kashima Antlers according to Santos) and that may be the cause of the report regarding Liverpool interest - but I really don't know why they had someone at the game.}

18 Dec 2016 19:46:53
Predominantly left footed so would fit in well at Liverpool where he would probably get game time so hope this scout at the santos game was there for Maia.

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19 Dec 2016 08:14:50
The Irish independent is a rag, quickest to the line when it's time to tell the killer spider in the bananas tales. (Which began as an urban legend decades ago)

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18 Dec 2016 20:25:26
Thanks for the detailed reply ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

18 Dec 2016 11:29:14
Hi Eds, not seen it mentioned for a while now. Where do we stand with regards to recruiting more firepower up top?

I don't for one second think Pulisic is a realistic option and you have answered this sufficiently. I'm more inclined to believe the Azmoun or Promes rumours. Azmoun is only contracted for 2 more years, and Promes is openly available for an albeit hefty price tag. Scrolled right down the page and couldn't find any recent updates. My apologies if I am asking you to repeat yourselves.

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{Ed001's Note - why believe any? Azmoun has been watched, but that's all.}

 
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