Liverpool Rumours Archive November 17 2017

17 Nov 2017 22:16:30
Just got to listen to the new sharkopod, great stuff ed002.

{Ed002's Note - enjoy. Sorry about the sound quality.}

18 Nov 2017 12:38:18
I think you're doing yourself a disservice Ed. It was fine.

18 Nov 2017 13:16:32
Ed002. Those podcasts were class. Thank you very much for the time and effort put into them. Please keep them up as they are very much appreciated!

Red Sandman.

{Ed002's Note - Thamks, I appreciate it.}

18 Nov 2017 14:30:51
Great Sharkopod Ed002 mate. would be great in future to hear what you think about the development of our younger players. Thanks for all the time you put in for us.

{Ed002's Note - Remind me in a week or two.}

17 Nov 2017 19:33:17
Hi Eds,
genuine question about Pipco I'm afraid! But I'm not sure if I've seen you address this angle.

With the Coutinho issue seemingly toxic, what was the reasoning behind the club keeping him and turning down the summer offers.
Was it the fact that they didn't have a replacement but now Salah has performed better than expected and he's not such a big miss?
Is it because the club don'd like the optics of being seen as a selling club?
Did they fear a fan mutiny?
Someone in particular vetoed the deal?
Did they think (as all us fans would) that he would just get on with it?
Or is it something else or a mix of a few things.

I do appreciate these things are complex and that the landscape is constantly changing and there's a lot of pressure to do deals.

We can say with the benefit of hindsight it looks like the deal should have been done then. you always hear the football truism that there's no point keeping a player at a club once they have their heart set on a move elsewhere.
So just curious, why did dig our heels in so hard?
In the case of Coutinho and perhaps VVD it seems to have panned out that way.
The club is left with a disruptive player and probably will get a lower fee than was possible in the summer. and they probably end up there anyway!
So what did they think was going to happen?
Apologies if this seems besides the point or a bit dim. it all just seems like a bit of a farce from where I'm standing. wasted energy.

Cheers for all the top work keeping us informed.
YNWA.

{Ed002's Note - i can’t really answer the reasons why but Liverpool are one of the clubs that embroil themselves in drawn out transfers. Other clubs work the not happy > decent bid > gone paradigm. It works for them. Being stuck with players not 100% committed is not neat.}

18 Nov 2017 03:27:05
We thrashed Arsenal and West ham without him.

18 Nov 2017 00:44:49
thanks the response ed002.

19 Nov 2017 08:56:34
He seemed committed yesterday and what about the 'big luv' between him and Klopp when he was substituted!

19 Nov 2017 12:33:39
Agreed, was 100% committed yesterday and there's some man love between him n Klopp for certain. Looks a little greedy at times but has been nowt but professional on the field for us.
He'll still leave though I'm sure.

19 Nov 2017 19:47:05
Spoon and Ed2 I really think you are missing the point here. It wasn’t so much about Coutinho as about a statement to players and other teams that we won’t be held to ransom or bullied by other clubs.

Having just built a new stand and got back into the CL it just sends out the wrong message to the other players and to the world if we go and sell our best players again.

If we’d sold Couts then we give the green light to all the teams in Europe that they can cherry pick our best players. We also then tell all our best players that they can go if they kick up a bit of a stink.

We had no choice but to hold firm in my opinion for the good of the club as a whole.

{Ed002's Note - The players and other clubs are not interested in any “messages” the club sends out.}

20 Nov 2017 08:14:13
I agree with Ingsand things. It does seem clubs do care what other clubs think, we re constantly reminded of the fact. Fulham, Soton spring to mind straight away.

I think it says we are trying at least to say we won't be steam rolled.

Couts needs to show his minerals otherwise he risks being overlooked by other clubs and his national team. Attitude is part of that, and maybe he's been reminded you shouldn't sh1t on people on the way up, as the saying goes.

{Ed002's Note - Fulham and Southampton coomplained about Liverpool for their illegal approaches for players. No one cares about any "messages" Liverpool send out - except the Liverpool fans. Peaople continue to be of the view there is something special about the club and the Liverpool players, there isn't.}