Liverpool Rumours Archive January 16 2018

16 Jan 2018 23:12:46
Hi eds,

Long time lurker and a big fan of the site. Have just seen rumours that gruijic has been linked to a loan to cardiff, any knowledge of this?

{Ed002's Note - There is a lot of interest and a discussion has been held with Aston Villa.}

16 Jan 2018 23:21:21
Thanks for the info ed. Have a good Jan!

17 Jan 2018 10:26:45
I hope he gets some games for Cardiff, my only other concern is that he'll be managed by Colin ****er.

16 Jan 2018 16:06:07
Mignolet can say what he wants, Klopp has given him more than enough enough chances prove he is worthy of the no 1 spot.

There can be no sentiment. Mignolet is not good enough and is time for someone else to get a chance to face the firing line.

Klopp's biggest problem is that he is going to struggle to move Mignolet on.

16 Jan 2018 16:11:14
I don't think he will struggle, still a seasoned PL goalkeeper yes he's not good enough for us but probably good enough to play for anyone outside of the top six teams etc, there is always a need and someone will buy him, let's hope wages are not excessive for the so called "smaller clubs"

16 Jan 2018 16:25:53
That is exactly the problem. Mignolet is on a very lucrative contract and most clubs will snub him because of that.

So it will either be Liverpool who takes the knock or Mignolet becoming desperate and makes some tough decisions.

He might do well in the Serie A? Many GK's do.

16 Jan 2018 16:52:47
We might subsidise his wages to allow him leave though my thoughts echo the sentiments of the others in this site. Bit disappointing that he's not staying on to fight for his place. Make no mistake, I'm happier with him no longer playing as no 1 but he's competition for karius and likely to keep him on his toes. Not to mention the possibility of him helping out as the season goes on. Remember towards the end of last year he got his game in order.

16 Jan 2018 18:52:58
Migs is on 60k a week last I checked so not out of the question for a prem team!

16 Jan 2018 20:15:07
If you think about it he has international, ECL, EPL and Europa league experience and has played for a top 4 finishing side and is at the prime age for a keeper. He will appeal to clubs. And 60k isn’t huge if that is correct. Not sure why people would be disappointed he isn’t wanting to stay and fight for place, general opinion is he isn’t good enough why would people want to use a slot to keep him?

16 Jan 2018 21:22:04
I think we be better with Karius and Ward for the rest of the season. May help appease Ward a bit for the messing around he’s had this season. If we can sell Mignolet I say let him go, Klopp has gave him many chances and he’s has not learnt I have no confidence with him in goal.

16 Jan 2018 21:41:04
At least with karius, he has time to improve and have potential to develop himself. Mignolet who is 30 years old and had 4 years in this club has shown he will not reach in the standards for liverpool to strive to win trophies. His level would be ideal for a midtable club.

16 Jan 2018 21:51:54
Thing is I don’t recall Mignolet pulling up trees as Sunderland in the first place. Was he best of what we could get then?

17 Jan 2018 07:20:34
Milan keeper for 39 mil plus migs and bogdan 😂😂🤣 great deal that.

17 Jan 2018 09:01:51
I honestly struggle to imagine a club discussing their needs and being like 'hmmm we need a goalkeeper, a good shot stopper who can make our defence more solid, who could be possibly available? A-ha! Simon Mignolet! He'll solve our goalkeeping issue'. Seriously with the performances he has delivered what team is going to move for him? I mean is he honestly an upgrade for many of the mid-table clubs being suggested? I seriously doubt it.

17 Jan 2018 11:00:30
Mignolet was very average at Sunderland at best. Couldn't understand why we blew so much on him. We need to get the next one right. Alisson Becker or Jan Oblak would make an immediate difference.

17 Jan 2018 12:10:24
Fresst i think i remember he was sunderlands player of the season in the 2012/ 2013 season he looked pretty good that year probably due to them been terrible high volume shots taken against them so his highlight reel might have looked ok well vito mannone was player of the season for them to lol.

16 Jan 2018 09:50:07
Simon Mignolet is conisdering his future after Jurgen Klopp made it clear Karius will now be his no 1 going forward. We all know he would most likely have been sold in the summer, but his recent comments means a January exit could be on the cards. Says he wants to play in the world cup and won't achieve that by being on the bench.

16 Jan 2018 10:05:11
He won't achieve that playing anywhere lol.

16 Jan 2018 10:06:28
He won't play in the world cup regardless, he is forever doomed to be a number 2 because he is ''crap''

16 Jan 2018 10:10:24
I must admit I thought it was very harsh for Klopp to tell him he isn’t number 1 for the remainder of the season, he is hoping for a World Cup spot after all and Karius is not the answer for us, good luck to him but I can’t see many clubs showing much interest.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp has done this on a number of occasions.}

16 Jan 2018 10:31:22
Jcw it's called being cruel to be kind.

16 Jan 2018 10:54:34
Ed002 is right. Klopp has flip-flopped with this goalkeeper situation a lot in the last 18 months. Many here believes Karius has done enough to get the spot, and obviously Klopp agrees, even though he declared that Mignolet was No. 1 after watching all 3 fight for the spot in pre-season. Ed002 has always asked us if Klopp lies to his players. That's the question I'm asking myself at this moment too.
Is Karius significantly better than Mignolet? We all have our opinions. Now Karius has the spot, and we'll support him as No. 1 until the end of the season, or until another Bournemouth happens, or whichever comes first!

16 Jan 2018 10:59:28
Migs thinks he is better than that fella from Chelsea - would love to know what magic pills he takes.

16 Jan 2018 11:10:26
Neither Karius or Migs have done enough to be able to guarantee themselves no1. Migs has been in this poor form for the last 18 months or so.

I don't think Migs has anyone but himself to blame for not being able to hold down no1 spot as his performances haven't been good enough. That being said I don't blame him for wanting to move on now given the situation. It is very clear to him and karius the club is looking for a new keeper at least in the summer.

Both will be thinking about there future as the club looks to someone else.

16 Jan 2018 11:16:37
So he told mignolet he would be first choice in the summer. and he has been. And then now he says mignolet won't be first choice for the remainder of the season. how is Klopp lieing to the players? He's being very honest with them - 'you were no1 now your not' is pretty honest if you ask me.
And if they aren't good enough, it doesn't matter what Klopp says to them, the club is more important.

{Ed025's Note - i agree TIA, things change all the time in football, no one should be guaranteed a place no matter how good they are, if a player is out of form they should be dropped and someone else given their chance..

16 Jan 2018 11:30:42
JCW I think players would prefer it that way? A manager to be open and honest with them.

{Ed002's Note - But not change his mind regualrly.}

16 Jan 2018 11:35:14
I totally agree with that Editor #25.

16 Jan 2018 11:59:43
What are the chances he already would leave this winter? Don't get me wrong. It's no wish of mine, and I know the clubs don't line up for his signature, but anyway. Do you think he might already leave this window?

{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely.}

16 Jan 2018 12:01:45
Thing is tho, who would buy him. If any1 sensible has been watching how he plays they will see he hasn't been any good.

16 Jan 2018 12:17:26
Said it for months - Mignolet is a liability and needs to go. Must be on cloud cookoo land if he thinks he has a chance of being Belgiums number 1.

Whether Karius is the answer is yet to be seen. Still adapting, young and yet to have a run. He was well respected in Germany before coming here I recall eds? Good luck to the lad.

16 Jan 2018 12:38:36
Think its more the players form that changes Klopps mind rather than Klopp messing the player about, its only taken a very long few seasons for Migs to finally get the push, not sure I like how he has thrown his toys out the pram straight away though, like he has been amazing and couldn't surely be dropped.

{Ed002's Note - Perhaps he should stop blurting it out publically?}

16 Jan 2018 12:57:42
Finally some clarity on the issue. Good for all concerned and most of all the club.
Makes sense to support karius to the end of the season and give him a run of games as he is our champions league keeper. Looks to me like it was the plan all along to make karius no1 in January after easing him in.
Will support the slick German for the rest of the season and hopefully Simon can get a move in January somewhere he is wanted, I’ve slated him on many occasion but he is a red and has done his best even though he’s not up to scratch.
Really heartening to see long standing issues starting to being addressed regardless of how overdue they are.
We’re on the up.

16 Jan 2018 13:08:36
There are plenty of clubs below LFC’s level who would take Mignolet if they could afford. People do need to understand the difference between being a top level player and crap. There are a lot of levels between the two. Mignolet would have a chance at a berth in a fair few prem and too championship clubs. If they could afford and if he’d want it are a different matter. He isn’t a top keeper but he isn’t total crap either. Since someone above has managed to rip through all bar a few of the keepers in EPL and quite fairly in those cases, that should drop the penny with people that the standard of the likes of Karius and Migs isn’t unique to them, there are plenty around EPL who are similar standard or not much better. Finding the truly noticeably better and signing them is the challenge.

16 Jan 2018 13:03:01
Ed002 I don't really understand what significant consequence it causes if Klopp blurts it out publicly. At least blurting it out publicly this time forces fans to accept the reality and get behind Karius, rather than witch hunting him until the end of the season in the hope that trust old Mignolet is re-instated.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about - who mentioned a "significant consequence"?}

16 Jan 2018 13:04:44
Ok well at least that's one gone. All we can do is pray that Klopp doesn't see Karius as our number 1 for next season. Looks like he is going to get the rest of the season but he has none of the qualities needed to be an elite GK and I find it worrying that some one here believe he does. We have plenty of cash now, let's splash out on a world class keeper since we have addressed the most important issues with VVD and Keita.

16 Jan 2018 13:15:46
Palace want a keeper apparently. Maybe hodgy can do us a favour. He owes us big time! Also think he would suit their style more.

{Ed002's Note - They are already in talks with one goalkeeper and have an option lined up.}

16 Jan 2018 13:15:54
Ed25, agreed with you and TIA.
If telling someone you are number 1 and then can’t drop him or change the mind is lying, then maybe everybody on the bench and not first 11 should give up.
And if he keep saying that nobody is guaranteed a starting spot, he will also be accused of mis management by some and not not giving players confidence and by others keeping the players in their toes.
Different situation calls for different ways to handle.
And specific to MiG, there was no question he was number 1, uttered or otherwise.
He is as error prone if not more than Louvren and I am sure Louvren get dropped so much more.
He has only himself to blame.
I wish him luck for his advice but he is just not good enough.
If after 5 years, there’s still doubt and has not convince, he probably never will.
Xhaka’s goal to me is the last draw which I probably see at the amateur level only.

Karius, he made some mistakes.
But I rather bet on the unknown.
Even De Gea took many more games (probably 3 times as many) before he begin to prove himself able.
Let’s judge him at end of season.

16 Jan 2018 13:25:26
Ed002 unless I'm mistaken, you've said a few times that Klopp shouldn't publicly blurt out who is number one goalkeeper. What's the big deal if he does though?

{Ed002's Note - Who has mentioned anything about a "big deal"? Is there something wrong with you?}

16 Jan 2018 13:21:11
I admire Klopp, he's improved us 10 fold. Had couple of finals, OK didn't win but qualified for CL, through to the last 16 on course to qualify for CL again this season. HOWEVER I don't see his fascination with Karius. He's poor, nervous makes silly mistakes doesn't command like he should and unless he's a legend in training I can't see what he sees in him. Not that Mingolet is much better but for me clear all the keepers we have apart from maybe ward who I understand wants out and sign a good keeper.

16 Jan 2018 13:33:03
This is exactly the reason for playing Karius in CL, everyone criticised but it was obvious then, that klopp wanted to take a good look and occasions played well. Contrast that with Migs supposedly purpose trip against stoke and limp wrist against arsenal, his time was up. Karius made a mistake and is not the answer for 2019, but Klopp stating your my No.1 will give him confidence and concentrate on overall performance without thinking about being dropped following week.

16 Jan 2018 13:42:36
Ed, you're being a bit mean.

I just don't understand your strong objection to Klopp 'blurting it out publicly'

{Ed002's Note - You are making yourself look stupid - what "strong objection" is this? Were you banged on the head repeatedly as a child? If you were it is OK to admit it - most Liverpool supporters were it seems.}

16 Jan 2018 13:50:57
We've been here before with Karius. He was number one, was appalling so was dropped. Top 4 is so tight at the minute nows not the time to try him again. I'll get behind the kid and hope he does well but got a feeling this is going to be a big fat told you so!

16 Jan 2018 14:00:03
The problem over the past season and a half is that Klopp has been rotating 2 keepers, giving them chance after chance. I now think he has realised that none of them are up to scratch and he needs a top keeper. If he continues to play Migs then it would be same old same old, but by putting Karius in for league games Klopp is sending a message to the fans. It will be interesting to see who he plays in the champs league.

16 Jan 2018 14:02:41
"Perhaps he should stop blurting it out publically"

Why are you trying to alienate me ed?

{Ed002's Note - Because for reasons I don't understand you have invented terms like "significant consequence", "big deal" and "strong objection" making yourself look particularly stupid.}

16 Jan 2018 14:13:03
Ed002 maybe if i word it differently as you won't answer questions unless it's in black and white:
Your quote:
Ed002's Note - Perhaps he should stop blurting it out publically
What people wanna know:
Why have you suggested that Klopp should perhaps stop blurting it out publically?
I don't see the harm in it so long as he has told them beforehand. Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - The reason I would not answer the question is he was trying to put words in moy mouth. Klopp has made an embarrassment of himself and made it difficvult for the goalkeepers by saying who is #1, #2 and #3 for the season, then changing, then changing again and now switching again.}

16 Jan 2018 14:32:00
Surely you're just trying to wind me up Ed?

{Ed002's Note - No, you have being trying to put words in my mouth and you are looking very stupid.}

16 Jan 2018 14:42:33
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16 Jan 2018 14:54:35
I'd rather he change the keeper and make an 'embarrassment of himself' than him be stubborn and not change the keeper when the original no1 hasn't been good enough.
Respect your views either way ED002, but I don't see it as embarrassing if he changes his mind and declares it. happens all the time in life - realise a mistake, change your mind and move forward OR realise a mistake, don't change your mind, be stubborn to save face and stagnate!

16 Jan 2018 15:16:40
I love thet "embarassment"of a man.

16 Jan 2018 15:30:25
I have today seen him linked with a move to Napoli for £20m. The price seems a bit high for a GK for a team like Napoli, so I don't think it is one that would happen but it would be a good move for him if it did. Sczescny wasn't great in the prem but has done very well for Roma and Juventus.

16 Jan 2018 15:28:34
In my mind, I am thinking in this specific case, what is Kloop to say?
I am pretty sure he is not like meeting a reporter and before being asked, state "Yes, Karius is number 1 for now".
Surely, he must have been asked the question "Why Karius? "

If we are not debating his decision to start with Karius, but his response to the question, what is is supposed to say:
1. I wake up this morning and I feel like doing so
2. Just like before, I think Mig is tired and I am resting him (like in Arsenal game) .
3. No specific reason
4. Karius is doing better in training is thus I am choosing him.
and etc.

Whatever his response, there will be criticism.
And whatever his response, he will blurting it out publicly.
I see nothing wrong therefore with what he said.

If we are debating his decision, we should look at Ed25's response, which agree.
Like I said in my earlier post, there will come a point in time (which we supporters are thinking that it has came too late) that Kloop will be writing Mig off.
The point in time is now, as it seemed from Kloop.

No matter how Karius is performing, I do see him staying between the post.
I am surmising that Ward might even get a game in place of Mig between now and end of season.

16 Jan 2018 15:13:42
"Were you banged on the head repeatedly as a child? If you were it is OK to admit it - most Liverpool supporters were it seems"

What is this for?
Having superior knowledge doesn't give anybody the right to insult millions and millions of people.

I think there was a certain degree of respect for the eds and that's why StableGenius asked those questions they way he asked. That's my surmise.

{Ed002's Note - You provide an excellent demonstration that many the Liverpool fans once known for their sense of humour have turned in to miserable damp patches.}

16 Jan 2018 16:05:37
Poor Klopp, its like Sophie's choice.

16 Jan 2018 16:46:50
Editor #2 is not wrong when he speaks about him and the GK situation. Klopp has fiddled about far too much with the goalkeepers and it is a bit embarrassing when you look at the way he's handled the whole situation. 'I'll buy Karius for number one spot' then it's 'ok I'll remove him from number one spot' followed by ' We'll rotate them! ' and finally ' Ok Karius can have the number one spot again' its been all over the place and it shouldn't of been handled like it has been, it should've been much simpler. You watch, Bogdan will be playing in a few weeks.

16 Jan 2018 16:51:50
Surely all keepers make mistakes. Some more than others. I have no real experience to base what I'm about to say on but I think it's the most difficult or least forgiving position in the game. People are quick to criticize but for a young lad he has lots to his game that in my opinion bode well for his future, nobody is perfect even the best make mistakes it's just when they do it usually results in an opportunity for the opposition rather than a goal. Nothing is to be gained by criticising every mistakes a player makes, especially a young player still learning his trade. I know I've made lots of mistakes in my life and if I received the level of abuse for every one then I'd imagine I would have a much harder time progressing than if shown some encouragement. A team is only as strong as it's weakest link but some links might seem weak now but will definitely be stronger each and every day that passes. If you can't support the team in the lows then don't bother celebrating the highs. I'm from Ireland but you'll never walk alone actually means something to me and that's that we support our players, all our players.

16 Jan 2018 16:30:45
Ed 02, what do you mean "very stupid"?

{Ed002's Note - I mean more than just plain "stupid" and less than "DF".}

16 Jan 2018 17:33:54
Migs had a poor first half of the season last year. But was very good in the second half and hid improved form was a huge influence on us making champions league. Bit again he has had a poor first half of the season. I would now give up on him.

16 Jan 2018 17:57:34
When reading a lot of these posts, I usually just look out for the eds replies. Especially ed02.
When reading his posts, it is usually followed by a sharp intake of breath as I'm not sure whether he is being serious or a WUM, it is then usually followed up with a giggle as I then read people losing their sh*t at ed02 responses and the DF's that have absolutely no sense of humour whatsoever.
Keep it up eds.

16 Jan 2018 14:09:26
Uggers. where is klopps obsession with Karius?! As far as I can recall, he played him 10 times and then dropped him for a whole season, then made him no2 start of the season and migs has failed to cement it so now he's allowing karius a chance? Surely you can see how this is a win win for everyone and in fact clever management? Karius either proves himself able, or he doesn't and Klopp then signs a top top keeper in the summer. So either way, Liverpool benefit.

16 Jan 2018 19:08:02
The De Gea comparisons are futile. De Gea was a young kid with a good reputation playing for Atletico Madrid. Lots of people had heard of him, hence the big fee United had to pay. He struggled when he came, mainly with physicality as he was roughed up at corners and set pieces. Once he bulked up he was fine.

How many of the Karius disciples on here had actually heard of him before we signed him? How many had seen him play? What has he done when he has been selected to warrant such faith? On Sunday, one save to make and he let it in.

If Klopp hadn’t signed him and he wasn’t German he wouldn’t be getting a sniff of a place.

I hope he proves me wrong but I won’t hold my breath.

16 Jan 2018 19:55:47
.................moronic post deleted from some ignorant dumb fuck who gets himself a new name and abuses and editor - this is why the Liverpool fans get the reputation that they do 0 the vegetables like you...........

16 Jan 2018 21:29:49
Lol roasted.