Liverpool Rumours Archive March 10 2022

 

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10 Mar 2022 17:53:05
Good to see Joe Gomez today being linked to some good Premier League clubs today as seems a great character and should be playing regularly to try get into the England WC squad next season .

He's not good enough now to start for an elite side like Liverpool as not strong enough aerially and doesn't defend his box well enough, but he could be excellent in a 3 at the back with 2 strong CB's alongside him where his pace in covering both would be a huge asset .

Spurs under Conte would be perfect.

If we can get north of £25m can put this in the Bellingham war chest for this summer or summer after and bring Nat Philips back as cover provided he is happy to come back as 4th choice .

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10 Mar 2022 18:23:34
Would rather Van Den Berg than Phillips. But would much rather just keep Gomez in fairness, why break up a group that are the strongest in the league?

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{Ed0666's Note - Philips will sell for a pretty penny in the summer!

10 Mar 2022 19:20:45
I think Van Den Berg’s return from Preston will be as cover (with the continued progression of fBradley’s development) will allow Neco to make a permanent move away.

I reckon we will see Neco and Nat leave permanently with a loan move for Rhys Williams and leave us with TAA and Bradley as tight backs, Robbo and Tsimikas as left backs, VVD, Matip and Konate as CBS and Joe and Sepp as cover for both RB and CB. With young Beck progressing as a LB we should be covered.

If Joe does leave then I think we will sign another CB as I don’t see the manager ever picking Nat or Rhys on a regular basis. Although finances don’t work along the lines of : we have sold A so the money will be used to buy B, it is not too much of a stretch to assume that (part of) any money received for Neco, Nat and Joe could be used for a fourth CB.

Of course it’s just my opinion and none of the above might happen.

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10 Mar 2022 19:29:11
Gomez is a weak link in our team when he plays despite his pace. I read a tactical analysis which was done on Klopp's Dortmund years ago and it focused on why the aerial power of Hummels and Subotic was so critical to the high press he deployed. Pace at the back is often seen as vital in a high press. This analysis (which i tend to agree with) reasoned that it is not. Pace helps for sure as it allows more room for error but a lack of it can be overcome by intelligent reading of the game or by having a sweeper keeper. If your centre backs are weak in the air though, that will affect a high press more. This analysis explained that if you press correctly, the easiest way teams can get out is by kicking the ball long. Thus the importance on winning that first header, so you can effectively pin the opposition back by getting a stranglehold on their out ball. Gomez is weak in the air and that inability to reliably win the first duel gives teams the opportunity to get numbers up in support and break the press. I cannot remember where i read it unfortunately but it stuck with me because it made so much sense. Nonetheless, I didn't want to try and pass it off as my own original thoughts, and people are still free to disagree of course!

Gomez does have his strengths. In a back 3 he would thrive off the right side, given freedom to play out from the back. He is comfortable an the ball and good 1v1 when pulled out wide. He's also just a really good bloke. In the right team he'll be a very good player. Liverpool is just not that team for me. Virgil, Matip and Konate suit us better and part of that is because they are imperious in the air. Virgil and Konate have pace anyway but Matip is proof it's no more of a priority to Klopp now as it was when he had Hummels! I'd keep Phillips as 4th choice but if he and Gomez both leave then I guess we may have to strengthen. We could see if Rhys Williams or Koumetio look up to it in pre-season alternatively. Van den Berg has been playing right back mainly for PNE so not an option at CB in my opinion but possibly a good replacement for Neco Williams if he leaves permanently.

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10 Mar 2022 19:29:11
Gomez is a weak link in our team when he plays despite his pace. I read a tactical analysis which was done on Klopp's Dortmund years ago and it focused on why the aerial power of Hummels and Subotic was so critical to the high press he deployed. Pace at the back is often seen as vital in a high press. This analysis (which i tend to agree with) reasoned that it is not. Pace helps for sure as it allows more room for error but a lack of it can be overcome by intelligent reading of the game or by having a sweeper keeper. If your centre backs are weak in the air though, that will affect a high press more. This analysis explained that if you press correctly, the easiest way teams can get out is by kicking the ball long. Thus the importance on winning that first header, so you can effectively pin the opposition back by getting a stranglehold on their out ball. Gomez is weak in the air and that inability to reliably win the first duel gives teams the opportunity to get numbers up in support and break the press. I cannot remember where i read it unfortunately but it stuck with me because it made so much sense. Nonetheless, I didn't want to try and pass it off as my own original thoughts, and people are still free to disagree of course!

Gomez does have his strengths. In a back 3 he would thrive off the right side, given freedom to play out from the back. He is comfortable an the ball and good 1v1 when pulled out wide. He's also just a really good bloke. In the right team he'll be a very good player. Liverpool is just not that team for me. Virgil, Matip and Konate suit us better and part of that is because they are imperious in the air. Virgil and Konate have pace anyway but Matip is proof it's no more of a priority to Klopp now as it was when he had Hummels! I'd keep Phillips as 4th choice but if he and Gomez both leave then I guess we may have to strengthen. We could see if Rhys Williams or Koumetio look up to it in pre-season alternatively. Van den Berg has been playing right back mainly for PNE so not an option at CB in my opinion but possibly a good replacement for Neco Williams if he leaves permanently.

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10 Mar 2022 21:09:22
Spot on MK.

He will have a good career elsewhere just not at the elite level Liverpool are looking to operate at on a regular and consistent basis 👍👍👍.

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10 Mar 2022 22:03:54
Nice post MK. Interesting read and it makes a good case for Nat ahead of Joe, certainly in the air. I’d still plump for Joe overall because he has greater utility, being able to cover the right back position.

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11 Mar 2022 00:04:56
Who/ what/ where is the source for Gomez leaving this summer?

Ed0666 why will Philips sell for a pretty penny this summer?
Tried selling him twice now after his heroics in helping us get 3rd last year, for circa £12-15mil but no takers. What’s changed?

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{Ed0666's Note - the fact that Bournemouth will want him to stay to spearhead their campaign back in the Premiership if they get promoted. I’d be astounded if he doesn't fetch more than 15 million and I’m sure there will be other suitors.

11 Mar 2022 07:56:17
And don’t forget Ben Davis. In an ideal world Fulham, Bournemouth and Sheffield United get promoted and we get dose for Neco, Nat and Mr Davis 👍.

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11 Mar 2022 08:32:12
When fit Gomez and fully firing for me Gomez is by far VVD best partner. When playing together we hardly ever concede love to know games to goals concede with all Partnerships I bet Gomez and VVD is the best.

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11 Mar 2022 10:21:08
It's an interesting take on Gomez. On one hand, the view is that he's not good enough for Liverpool any longer, but on the other hand there's an expectation that another club would pay £25m for him and that if he gets regular football he'll be pushing for an England place. Now, I know that van Dijk is the world's best, and Matip and Konate are also very good, but we only have to look at last season to know that you need at least four centre-halves who are capable of playing in the first team, so I wouldn't think we'd be rushing a £25m potential England centre half out of the door just to raise funds.

Of course, if Gomez wants to leave or if Klopp has lost confidence that Gomez can get back to the player that he appeared to be a couple of years ago, then that's different.

With Phillips gone and Williams not having shown anything to give any great reason to believe he'll make it at this level, selling Gomez would mean we'd need to buy another centre back of first team quality, or take the chance on van den Berg being our fourth choice, which would be high-risk.

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11 Mar 2022 09:15:04
Thats tosh MK. I think you fail to understand both hummels and subotic were rapid back in there time along with subotic being exceptional at positioning.
Gomez has to keep fit that's his only issue. He is as clean a defender as they come. But he is consistently injured and that effects match sharpeness.

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11 Mar 2022 12:32:47
Agree to disagree Akira. Football is subjective. Hummels has never been rapid though so that's a strange comment. Gomez is a good player and he'll have a good career in football at a high level but i simply don't think that will be at Liverpool. I believe that Van Dijk will play into his late 30's like Thiago Silva has, and i also believe Konate is ahead of Gomez already. So unless he sticks at it until 2024 and the new manager has a different philosophy which suits him, he's stuck at 4th choice which i don't think will suit his ambitions.

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11 Mar 2022 12:41:31
Hummels has never been rapid.

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11 Mar 2022 08:20:30
Bit optimistic there Ed! hope your right though.

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{Ed0666's Note - 👍

11 Mar 2022 13:02:46
MK I all so totally disagree nobody tries to play through are team with long balls there all ways out wide and you all ways see VVD using his pace.

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11 Mar 2022 13:34:17
People seem to be quick to forget how good joe Gomez is, lads not had much luck with injuries and game time but fully fit the lads very good and one of England’s best centre backs, not that says much. Feels a bit like folks on here are selling him down the river a bit.

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11 Mar 2022 15:37:58
Don't think anyone is doubting Gomez but the reality is he's 4th choice and that's not going to change anytime soon unless 2 of our cbs get long-term injuries.

Klopp and our backroom staff have completely moved on from Gomez and now kounate is being groomed to take on from Matip instead of Gomez.

Unless Gomez is happy to warm the bench then I'm sure Klopp will have no problem him staying but if u think all of a sudden he's going to replace Matip and Kounate bar injuries then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.

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12 Mar 2022 01:43:20
Gomez and van dijk were at one point an unstoppable partnership. Injuries got in joe's way. Matip stopped getting injured as much and konate has come in. Its tough competition. I actually think liverpool have the best depth at centre back out of any team. Gomez can play at cb lb and rb. Why anyone would want to see him go in baffling. If liverpool keep all 4 we are strong at cb for another 3 to 4 years and can use funds for other areas. Gomez might want to leave himself but if he stays fit there is game time for him at a club challenging for top honours.

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{Ed0666's Note - Gosh I hope Joe stays.

12 Mar 2022 04:29:40
I did a piece which was made an article on here of areas of the team that could be improved, specifically citing positions at the time being held by Bobby, Gini and Gomez. They have either left or been displaced as I suggested and thought would occur. However what I did not think would happen was Joes place being taken by Matip. Now Matip is playing fine right now but he is getting on and still his absolute mares at times in the same way Joe does. He is better in the air but far slower so the choice between them longer term comes down to longevity or value. Personally given Joe is also homegrown I would prefer we kept Joe and let Matip move on, letting Konate and Joe battle it out to partner VVD. Joe still us great potential and whilst he may sell for a nice amount now I think it would be short sighted to ignore the potential future partnership of him and Konate when VVD hangs up his boots.

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12 Mar 2022 08:42:55
I’d just like to add, that when JoeGo was in the 11 next to Virgil playing consistently there was not 1 call for him to be dropped.
He was far less divisive than Matip,

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12 Mar 2022 15:38:49
Gomez to Villa to play with Mings and Konsa, with us buying someone top class to challenge for a first team spot. I fancy Kounde as he can play RB and in a 3 also.

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10 Mar 2022 15:02:34
Post of the day.

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10 Mar 2022 17:21:46
Hard to disagree VlktorM.

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10 Mar 2022 19:40:55
Spent 10 minutes trying remove the Ad covering your post. But let me say, it was worth it.

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11 Mar 2022 16:33:20
I thought it was my phone I can only see emojis? Does anyone else get posts where loads of the posts have random £&+@ in them?

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11 Mar 2022 17:15:23
Am in the dark here. What was the post?

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