Liverpool banter 10

09 Apr 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ork has posted a new article entitled, The case for keeping Erik ten Hag at Manchester United

09 Apr 2024 07:30:14
Have we now mathematically qualified for Champions League football next year?

09 Apr 2024 07:56:05
Technically no because there are currently only 4 spots for the champions league and we are 11 points off 5th with 21 available.

But it is looking increasely likely that there will be an extra spot awarded for the coefficient points due to how well the English teams are progressing in the european competitions but it is not decided yet.

If we do get the 5 spots then yes, we are 22 points infront of Man U in 6th.

09 Apr 2024 07:02:32
Hello ed1 hope u well. Have u heard anything as regards trent, jota or Allison availability for games this week? beit atlanta thurs or palace sunday. They where to be back in training this week According to reports.

{Ed001's Note - they are meant to be back at the weekend mate.}

09 Apr 2024 07:16:20
Cheers ed1. That good news, we need them back badly. hopefully they hit the ground running but they have all been out a long time at this stage so we will have to see.

08 Apr 2024 16:25:14
If Man City are found guilty of some of the 115 offences, is it realistic that their past Premier League titles maybe stripped? - if so does that mean LFC will 'inherit' 2 PL titles as they finished runners up to them twice?

08 Apr 2024 16:55:49
No that won’t happen.

08 Apr 2024 17:00:38
Not a chance. It will probably go down as no one winning it for those years.

08 Apr 2024 17:15:34
£10 pound fine and told to sit on the naughty step which they will appeal and get awarded 3 free pens and 5 offside calls in any games they chose.

08 Apr 2024 17:40:12
Is there any update on the PGMOL gaslighting one of our fans?

08 Apr 2024 17:42:50
Anything less then all titles striped with a ban from Europe for as long as they have cheated is a farce, mite as well say cheating pays off in football if its less would also say jail time would happen in any other business but this is football.

08 Apr 2024 17:43:16
I hope not.

08 Apr 2024 18:08:18
———-please keep the ignorant bile to yourself————

08 Apr 2024 18:48:48
Noted. I’ll keep my opinion (ignorant bile) on the outcome of City’s charges to myself 🫡.

08 Apr 2024 19:18:26
If they are striped, which is my best guess based on the number of titles I wouldn't want them passed to us. I'd prefer they go down as no winner. Imagine getting 2 or 3 titles as the second placed team, it just wouldn't sit right imo.

08 Apr 2024 19:26:04
Nothing will happen. No point speculating. Cheats always prosper, fact of life. Move on.

08 Apr 2024 20:28:33
They’ll probably give them another title just for brown envelopes they’ve all had off them.

08 Apr 2024 20:36:15
By the time their hearing comes around, the PL clubs will have voted to remove the punishment of points deductions.

{Ed025's Note - spot on Paisley..

08 Apr 2024 20:59:47
They should probably be docked 2 points per charge = 230 points 😁.

08 Apr 2024 21:13:21
What would be the benefit if they were stripped of their titles and the 2nd places teams retroactively declared the winner? It won't give us fans the experience of having won the two titles we were runner up for. Not really

Although it would make Ole Gunnar Solksjaer a league winning manager. Which is hilarious.

08 Apr 2024 21:14:33
Hope not Paisley, only real deterrent for cheats.

08 Apr 2024 21:42:37
And Brendan Rogers Sr.

If City don’t win the league this season I wouldn’t be surprised to see them docked like 20 points but they’ll likely have won the CL so will still qualify for it next season and finish like 8th as a punishment and that will be that.

08 Apr 2024 21:56:44
Relegation is the best outcome.

08 Apr 2024 22:16:12
Ron, I love that idea. If only mate.

08 Apr 2024 22:17:35
I actually would be totally fine with us being awarded them retroactively. If they cheated then them titles should have been ours.
I’m sure in the olympics when they find dopers the medal gets handed down to the next placed athlete? Or did I make that up?
In any case though, the titles are less of an issue for me, throw them straight out the football league altogether for me. 👋🏼.

08 Apr 2024 22:25:09
I can see a few more Brown envelopes.

08 Apr 2024 22:30:09
Spread the 230 points over the next 5 seasons.
Take 46 points off this season then start on -46 for each of the next 4 😂.

09 Apr 2024 03:56:49
Didn't think about that JK. Although as limited as I think BR is, Ole winning the league is funnier.

09 Apr 2024 08:34:28
Relegated two divisions abd stripped of the league titles they win would suit me.

09 Apr 2024 10:45:22
VictorVaughn is usually a bit too negative for me most of the time, but I'm with him on this one. Nothing of any consequence is going to happen to ManCity. At the most a slap on the hand; I even doubt any points deduction, let alone stripping of titles. The owners of ManCity cannot afford or tolerate the slightest mass public embarrasment of any kind, and neither can the FA or Premier League. They will work on it together to ensure minimal damage in the public's mind. It's a 115 count of offences, for God's sake. That's simply huge. I just have doubts anything big will stick on to ManCity.

Having said all that, I do hope they get what they deserve if they are found to be guilty of those offences.

It's all just very curious to me, because I am not from the football establishment and simply a distant observer. With offences dating back to the 21/ 22 season, Everton have swiftly been penalized with point deductions, twice, and have high chances of being relegated. ManCity with offences dating back t least a decade are still to face the music. Again, I don't know the exact reasons, but just imagine me sitting here with raised eyebrows and a smirk on my face.

{Ed001's Note - Everton's case was about submitted accounts wherein they admitted failing to adhere to ffp. Man City have been systematically covering up offences and submitting false accounts. Unlike Everton, they have lied about their guilt, when everyone knows they are guilty, but that requires it to be proven, rather than it just being a judgement required.}

09 Apr 2024 16:56:04
Yes we will be awarded any years we finished runners up and any matches we lost to City will become null and void and points added to any seasons total accordingly There will also be an open top bus parade through the city to celebrate these previous years titles.

09 Apr 2024 17:33:29
My understanding was they were already found guilty but the process took so long nothing can now be done. Hence they introduced a fast track system which is now being used to punish Everton, Forest and potentially Leicester? Might have that entirely wrong but I'm sure that's what some of the eds said.

09 Apr 2024 21:36:28
Wyred we wouldn't be a second place we would be champions because they should not of won the titles they aledgedly cheated i would take both titles with a blink of an eye mate and so would man u . So stop being so rightous mate.

08 Apr 2024 16:18:49
As frustrating as it was to drop 2 points against a team we should have won, we are still in the title race, very much so.

I think Arsenal will drop points in at least one game and even if City win all their games, we MUST win all our remaining 7 games - tough to do but I think we will do it - just. Regardless of yesterday and poor finishing plus mistakes, we are still playing exceptionally well.

At the beginning of the season, I would have bitten your hand off where we are now - 1 trophy in the bag and challenging for the title in probably the most exciting race for years. I would have settled for a trophy and top four this season (of course we did not know JK was leaving).

08 Apr 2024 16:44:40
BS (no pun intended, btw), that's the spirit, man. The Utd game hurts BUT it's gone now so no point being all sore about it. We have to look to the next game now vs Atalanta in the EL. Had we lost to Utd then for sure, that would have been severely damaging on a psychological level. City are still behind us and Arsenal are top on GD. Bro, it could have been worse if you look at things overall

After this week, all 3 clubs have their chances of winning the title intact rgardless and that is why the rescued point yesterday is that important, IMO.

The only thing we screwed up is that the margin for error we had has now gone with 7 games to play which I was hoping would be prolonged for longer. Alas, it did not happen. Now, it is time to act and get it done. Right now, it's win all 7 or bust. It is what it is.

@Davey Sulls, will you start the countdown?

08 Apr 2024 18:24:03
We are going to thrash someine 8-0 at home before the end of season.
So C. Palace odds is 150/ 1
Remember you heard it here first.

08 Apr 2024 19:01:20
Crazily we have scored the most goals this season out of any team in the top 5 leagues.

Yes a big factor of this is down to us scoring 28 goals in the Europa but we’re still 2nd top scorers in the league and have Salah who is 3rd top scorer and Nunez 12th, Jota 15th Diaz 23rd top scorers in the league.

Whilst missing chances seems to be out problem id say a bigger one is not keeping clean sheets. We don't have to score lots of goals past teams and 1 nil wins would still get us 3 points.

We've only managed to keep 9 clean sheets this season which is the same as Everton. If we shut up shop better then that will take the pressure off the forwards.

08 Apr 2024 19:27:52
Two things, I’ve stuck a fiver on us beating Palace 8-0 (what’s the worst that could happen? ) . Second, JK is 100% correct. Stop conceding sloppy goals, stop letting teams have a chance, then we give ourselves a chance.

08 Apr 2024 22:33:46
Agreed JK and VV.
Klopp’s philosophy is almost like NBA.
Throw men forward high risk high reward.

Bet on our defenders and keeper being able to keep them out.

It’s entertaining for sure, but I think it might soon have had its day.

09 Apr 2024 06:15:25
I agree, giving sloppy goals has been our issue. Keeping clean sheet will help us win games.

09 Apr 2024 09:13:19
Thats why I can't see us winning all our remaining games. Arsenal are far better defensively and more clinical then us. And City are just a crazy squad.
If we are talking about dropping points, only we look like the team that will
Arsenal are blasting teams away, and city will always get a result, into their usually strongest period of the year.
We however will always concede against anyone.

08 Apr 2024 15:56:02
The match yesterday was the same as the quarter final, should ave been out of sight by half time Poor finishing cost us. Quansha big mistake, but think what he has done for us this season. One mistake does not a bad player make. We are joint top, plenty of points to play for, just believe.

08 Apr 2024 16:48:14
howmuch1, I would never blame a kid for costing us a game. Frankly had the senior players and our fowards esp. done their jobs then, it should never have gotten to that to begin with.

I'd sooner blame them than blame Quansah who btw after his mistake, went back to being brilliant as he was before it. The title race is by NO means over and all 3 teams kept their chances of victory intact for another week. One to Atalanta.

08 Apr 2024 18:35:15
I am loathe to apportion blame to any individuals for yesterdays result, but my son asked if Alison would have stopped any of those two goals yesterday, I told him that given where the keeper was for the first goal no one could have saved it. Maybe Ali would have been further to his left and saved the second one.
What does everybody think?

08 Apr 2024 19:52:43
Langland, Kellerher was outside of the box as he is supposed to be when in possesion. Quansah gave the ball away, Bruno hit it first time and had Kellerher (who dived for it with his hands up) touched and actually saved it, he would have been sent off and we would have had Adrian in goal for the next 3 games at least.

Had Ali been there, I don't think he saves it even tho, he would have had to head the ball if he were to be outside the box like Kellerher was. Just my take.

08 Apr 2024 20:25:41
Kelleher was positioned to give Quansah the option of a pass back to him. It is what it is and very little point in apportioning blame. Their player took the chance well. Sometimes sh#t happens 🤷‍♂️.

08 Apr 2024 21:43:34
Will be a good learning curve for Quansah. He gave a few risky passes away early when there was no need.

Lads been brilliant this season and will be a better player for it.

08 Apr 2024 12:15:47
I am going to remain positive in this run in, I always prefer us chasing then being out in front. The pressure is off a little and hopefully that will reflect in how they play. We all know we should of won that in the first half but just weren’t clinical enough, with Ali Jota and Trent all due back soon I think that is a massive boost in itself.

As for who we are chasing, Arsenal have by far the toughest run in, and play a spurs team who would like nothing more then to spoil the party. Then there are city, where on paper it’s only spurs who should cause them problems.

For me, if we win our last 7 it’s ours but if we don’t and lose it to Arsenal on GD, we only have ourselves to blame!

08 Apr 2024 12:39:23
I only see City winning. They have by far the easiest fixtures and the experience of winning titles. I reckon Arsenal and Liverpool will drop points, whereas I see City winning their remaining 7 matches.

08 Apr 2024 12:42:17
Arsenal may well have the toughest run-in, but as of this moment they are the form team and the best-coached team in the league. Klopp is a better manager than Arteta, but Arsenal are organized, structured and clinical, everything we are not. We are reliant on individual quality and determination to win games, while Arsenal are systematically taking opponents apart. I thought they looked every bit as good as City in the Etihad game, the only thing they lack is the sheer quality of the three or four elite players from City and Liverpool.

08 Apr 2024 12:43:42
Spot on, WYred. Arsenal's difficult run starts now with the PL/ CL games coming up. I have seen a lot of their fans saying they want to do the PL/ CL double. Well guess what, fellas? HERE'S YOUR CHANCE.

If they get through it then, fair play to them and they win the title. But keep in mind that while we play Palace, Fulham, Everton and WH, Spurs play Chelsea, Wolves, Villa and Spurs (not in any order) . And if you add CL quarters and semis to the above then, that's what awaits them.

For us, we got diff. issues. We need to up it massively and fing upper gears to go esp. up front REAL quick and with our players coming back like Ali, Trent and Jota esp., that will only help us here. We shall see what happens. On to Atalanta.

08 Apr 2024 12:44:03
It's a busy Monday at work, but I still feel so deflated by that game yesterday. Snatched a draw from a deserved win even though we were by far, the better team. And that's twice against this same team. But that's football.

I'm still positive. We will win.

08 Apr 2024 12:47:34
I mentioned yesterday on the discussion page, I think whichever team loses a match will be out the race. The standard is currently that high. I think the draw yesterday was our one mistake we we could make, we have to win the remaining games if we are to win the title I feel.
I think arsenal have a draw left in them but I see city winning every match now. Arsenal and City have been swatting teams aside with ease the last few weeks, even the expected banana skins. Fair play to arsenal, everyone wrote them off saying they wouldn't last pass Christmas but here we are.

08 Apr 2024 13:39:40
Lowe, they are the form team. But 1 thing I meant to add is, that one question mark that remains over Arsenal is if they lose any of rice, Saliba or Gabriel to injury over the coming weeks. I don’t know whether they have the depth to cover if one got injured. Especially with the pressure and tough run in they have.

We are as every bit as good as city or Arsenal, we have to just up our conversion rate. I’d be far more worried if we weren’t making the chances.

Kelleher has done wonders in Ali’s absence but I think having him back shores us up at the back and adding another attacker in Jota means we have at least one difference maker off the bench. Plus trent adds options if we have to chase games. He’ll no doubt start but being able to add him in midfield if the situation requires could be huge.

Plenty of twists to come and luckily football isn’t played on paper.

08 Apr 2024 14:00:55
WYred - Games are running out and Arsenal keep winning them. I might suggest it is us who are more likely to suffer further injuries than Arsenal. We can’t even keep our centre-backs and goalkeeper fit.

08 Apr 2024 14:52:34
We'll win the 7 games and win the league. We mitent have Citys experience in terms of WINNING leagues but we have experience in having to win EVERY week, week after week, we've just been unlucky to be up against such a good team. Arsenal have neither are about to start a manic set of fixtures which will require their best players in every game. let's see how they cope with that. All this while we seem to be getting back to full strength at just the right time.

08 Apr 2024 15:32:34
Doesn’t matter how much experience we have if you can’t put away the chances created.

08 Apr 2024 15:34:50
Lowel, I have a diff. take re: Arsenal. So all things are going for them since the turn of the year and hats off to them. However, they have NOT had to deal with the level and types of adversity (injuries galore, bad ref decisions and poor finishing) that we have had to deal with. They're yet to have things not go their way in-game. Like it would be interesting to see how they would have recovered if they were in our position last night. We know that the last time this happened vs WH at home when things did not go their way, they lost.

There is a huge possibility with that brutal schedule they have, for things to go wrong in-game or for some injury adversity to happen in-game and that will be a test for them. Lik I have said, let us see what happens with that brutal schedule they have cos some adversity is coming their way, IMO.

08 Apr 2024 18:32:56
No more points dropped and its get done, arsenal will drop points.

08 Apr 2024 18:45:01
I just hope that we don't lose the title on goal difference, cus if we do I can see us suing PGMOL for dis allowing Diaz goal at Tottenham.

08 Apr 2024 19:29:43
I’d love us to sue PGMOL into bankruptcy and make Coward Webb personally liable too.

08 Apr 2024 23:09:19
We will drop more points and our form away is not great. Arsenal or city. I would say city but their injuries is piling up and hence give the edge to arsenal. We will finish 3rd imo.

09 Apr 2024 01:25:05
I believe we will win the title on the last day of the season, it's already been amazing effort by all involved so why not with all of our help try to get them over the line.