19 Apr 2024 11:07:56
With the likes of matip, Tiago, and maybe Salah and a few more must be saving some on wages there. I'm looking forward to what happens in the summer. New manager different approach ynwa.
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19 Apr 2024 09:30:43
"I liked the game a lot tonight with the desire and power the boys show. It was incredible from them. " ""We won the game and that was the reaction we wanted to show. "
I must have watched a different game.
Thank you Jurgenn for all you've done, sad it seems to all be ending with a whimper.
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19 Apr 2024 09:56:24
Damage limitation imo. He was definitely watching some old youtube highlights :) He knew how atalanta plays and still managed to play into their hands. Genius :)
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19 Apr 2024 10:12:25
Seriously? I guess these days, no matter what you did, just one stumble enough for you to get all the bashes, sarcasms, the disrespect and all.
I already know that I should never come here whenever we lose games or trophies. And yet here I am. What's wrong with me?
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19 Apr 2024 10:22:17
We were really good for the first 15 minutes with quick progressive passing and good movement and then as the game went on we reverted back to players taking too many touches and our slow pointless passing. 20 passes along the back line 30 yards from our own goal before somebody turns back into trouble or tries to dribble through 3 opponent players.
The second half was dire. No passion, no urgency and no plan.
3 games now without a goal from open play and after Salah unforgivable miss half way through the first half I can't remember us creating another decent chance.
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19 Apr 2024 10:31:21
Klopp also said Trent was incredible in the first half which is mind blowing to me. Even my missus who knows nothing about football asked who was playing right back because there seemed to be nobody stood there every time we tried to attack or play out from the back. He played a few really good passes but he won the penalty on the one occasion he actually made a run down the right side.
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19 Apr 2024 10:47:40
Maybe his man management is better than yours? Instead of making headlines trashing players and deflecting blame he is still taking it on the chin and doing his shouting behind closed doors .
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19 Apr 2024 09:15:25
My humble opinion is when Klopp announced his departure we were still in 4 competitions. But realistically with our squad at that time you would expect us to be still in those competitions. I think we have been carried away with the potential of a fairy tale ending to a glorious period for our club, unfortunately fairy tales are just that. That said at the beginning of the season with the summer squad turnover, if you had said come April we would still have an albeit stuttering chance to win the league, would be pretty much looking at a return to the champions league next season and would win a cup, whilst considerably reducing the average age of the squad and seeing the emergence of some real quality prospects emerging from the academy we would of not of been that disappointed. So whilst a fairy tale ending to a memorable chapter is fading fast, the chapter was special and that's set in stone. so having a pretty fully fit squad and 6 games left, let's get back to the reality of trying to win a football match at a time 6 times and see where we end up. and then a new chapter begins and we are in pretty good shape to start it. ynwa Klopp is leaving but so did Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish before.
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19 Apr 2024 09:34:20
He shouldn't have been allowed to record a 10 minute video of his departure. doubt any manager would be allowed to do it today. the club failed there. Amirom would move in the summer but the man has put an end to all speculations and want everyone to cherish and focus on the remainder of the season.
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19 Apr 2024 09:52:13
Usually I'd be in full agreement mate and good post by the way - one I wish I could be onboard with but the way I see it at the moment is you can't sugarcoat sh*t mate. The way we're playing is utterly shocking, we're embarrassing ourselves at this point and it's really getting on my nerves. They clearly aren't thinking about the fans who attend the matches, paying good money (I'm not one of them) . Klopp I love to death but for gods sake man, sort this sh*t show out. It's almost like he's given up, knowing he's off. No matter what he'll always be a legend in my eyes but this last period of his is doing him no favours. We all wish it was a fairytale ending but it's turning out to be a nightmare.
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19 Apr 2024 10:32:07
But the point is, I think, winning the league wasn't a fairy tale ending; it was very much a realistic ending. We were top of the league with eight matches to go. Could have gone top again with six matches to go if we'd been capable of beating Palace (who hadn't won in almost two months) at home. No fairy tale needed; just some half-decent football would have done it.
For similar reasons, I can't take consolation from the "if we'd been offered this at the start of the season" point of view. It may well be true; I don't think many expected us to get back into a title challenge so quickly after last year but we did and because of that, and because we were top so late in the season with our destiny in our own hands, the expectation has to be redrawn.
Regardless of what we might have been willing to accept at the start of the season, when we got to April top of the league, my expectation was that we would go on to win the league from there.
If we don't pull this out of the fire in the last six matches, it will, for me, be a huge disappointment and an undeniable damp squib ending to Klopp's time at Liverpool.
The way that there is almost always one team that falls apart in a title race fascinates me. The lazy conclusion is to put it down to tiredness or say the players are exhausted. I've never bought that. Why would that only effect one team? And it can't be that the players just aren't good enough; they wouldn't have got so far into the season at the top of the league if they weren't. So is it physchological? That seems most likely to me, but again unpicking that is fascinating. Experienced professionals who have played at the very top of the sport and suddenly they are all overtaken by the same malaise, not one of them can break out of it and drag the team forward.
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19 Apr 2024 10:34:35
I don’t think it was a fairytale it was possible to win everything this season. The reason it’s never been done before is because it’s extremely hard and you need a huge amount of luck to go with the talent and hard work.
We did well to stay in all 4 as long as we did with all the bad luck with injuries and some really poor refereeing decisions. Eventually we lost a few games. Not the end of the world and certainly no reason for us to turn on the manager or any of the players. They are human and they are fallible like all of us.
For me the recent form has been down to the players coming back from injury. It happens more often than you think. We’ve had loads of injuries to key players so everyone knuckles down to get through that period then when the players return, psychologically they think it’s job done and take their eye off the ball. It’s not intentional it’s just human nature.
Hopefully we’ve now had our wobble and we can now refocus for the run in, starting on Sunday.
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19 Apr 2024 10:37:49
Only a few weeks ago people were waxing lyrical about the spirit in the group who were fighting for Klopp’s last season. Now the results have changed it’s because of Klopp leaving.
People have a real issue with displacing anger and emotion on here lol.
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19 Apr 2024 07:03:32
"It is that I am, how can I say it, running out of energy. I have no problem now, obviously, I knew it already for longer that I will have to announce it at one point, but I am absolutely fine now. I know that I cannot do the job again and again and again and again. "
And the last three games have proved how right he was.
Last night was desperately disappointing.
We started exactly as we needed to. Quick movement, quick passing and aggressive. Trent in a wide position and we win a penalty. Brilliant, the early goal we needed. Now kick on. And the kick on never really came. Passing mistakes started to kill the flow and as the first half went on the lack of width and slow pace returned the threat we posed started to fizzle out and when Mo misses that chance, so does the game. Atalanta defenders could play the second half with their slippers on. Two shots in the second half simply isn't good enough when you need to stay in a competition.
This has been a magnificent era for the club but it really felt like the end of an era last night. Compare that performance to some of the greatest nights under Klopp and the difference couldn't be any more stark.
Until it's impossible I will still hold out hope he can do one more miraculous feat in dragging us to the title but right now the thought we can win six on the bounce, which we will almost certainly need, couldn't look any less likely.
Why does this season hurt because it's the hope that kills you. And why did we have the hope and belief? Why did we believe that a quad was on? A quad! Because a great manager turned us from doubters to believers. Because this squad had taken us places none of us really thought he were likely to reach, Whatever the reason for the drop off, we have six games left with one of our greatest ever managers. Let's just enjoy him being there.
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19 Apr 2024 07:24:45
Great Post wassa, every point made spot on.
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19 Apr 2024 07:27:50
The way we are playing it will be a fight for 4th place and am not even joking.
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19 Apr 2024 08:09:05
Take Salah out the side and start playing more direct instead of 18 passes round the back, we look exactly like we did before Rodgers and Rafa left, last night that space behind defense first half was crying out for us to go long more.
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19 Apr 2024 08:22:52
It’s been an amazing journey with Klopp. So many great moments and so much great football to enjoy. All things come to an end and we should be thankful that we had him for so long. I don’t buy into the team being under stress to achieve just for him. Prior to going out of the cup we had taken 22 from 26 points in the league. Pressure grows on any team towards the end of the season and particularly when in the hunt for trophies. We don’t know why his departure was announced when it was but it may have been leaked if he didn’t come out and say it and also it would have been difficult for him to look his players in the eye knowing he was holding something back. Let’s enjoy the last six games and see what it brings. Thanks for the memories Jurgen and all the very best with what the future brings. Time for a change it feels like but thanks so much for everything. YNWA.
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19 Apr 2024 08:34:37
Nice Post Wassa. Summed it up. We wouldn't be so hopeful and so expectant if it hadn't been for these last great years that Jurgen gave us. It's a great shame the way it seems to be ending at the moment but let us not start bemoaning the guy who got us back here in the first place. Particularly when we know he's leaving and we know why. The players need to look at themselves for me. Giving possession away over and over. No movement, no imagination, no urgency and woeful finishing. Yes Klopp looks out of ideas atm but at least he has the self awareness to have known this and made the announcement. It can't be Klopps tactics or lack of energy that make the players forget how to pass the ball forward. There seems to be a bit of fans rejecting him before he leaves to make themselves feel better that the best manager we've had in decades has decided to leave us. We're better than that. He deserves a legend's send off even if we lose the last 6 games.
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19 Apr 2024 09:20:44
"It is that I am, how can I say it, running out of energy. I have no problem now, obviously, I knew it already for longer that I will have to announce it at one point, but I am absolutely fine now. I know that I cannot do the job again and again and again and again. "
And what happens if he picks up another job in 12 months time? You say he would miraculously bring back his mojo and lost energy? I think Klopp is done with this group. he is what? 3 years older to Pep who seems to have absolutely no issues at City.
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19 Apr 2024 09:31:32
Apart from Man City, every other team in the 4 divisions would be happy with adding the League Cup to the trophy cabinet. That is how high Klopp has set the bar, that we are talking about being disappointed with just one trophy.
The quadruple has never been done, that we have come so close under Klopp is amazing. To be in that position twice is nothing short of spectacular. I will always be thankful to him and the team for that.
It may be time for a change but I am going to remember his tenure with the fondness and admiration he deserves. Thank you for making us believe again.
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19 Apr 2024 09:33:09
To be honest last night looked like 11 guys on the pitch with no game plan. Frantic at best, disorganised and playing with very little thought into what they were actually trying to achieve.
Ah well, what can you do 🤷♂️.
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18 Apr 2024 10:23:58
Not much evidence lately to suggest that we're capable of doing this, but I am going to say that if we win our next three matches (Fulham away, Everton away, West Ham home), we'll be top by the end of April.
Significant point to note is that City would have a match in hand at that point but Arsenal now have Wolves away, Chelsea at home and Tottenham away. That's a tricky run on the back of two defeats and a draw in their last three matches; I reckon they will slip up somewhere there.
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18 Apr 2024 10:40:20
RR - I think the West Ham game is also away, so 4 away games on the trot - very difficult to get maximum points from those. In fact, I think we have the toughest run in of the top 3.
The one for me is Everton, because I can see them turning us over next week, especially if we play like we have in the past 3 games.
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18 Apr 2024 10:47:42
RR, West Ham is away.
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18 Apr 2024 11:02:45
Villa away is also tough. They're going for top 4. I just fear that even if we win all of our 6 games, which is a massive ask, we will still fall short. That's why losing to Palace was gutting.
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18 Apr 2024 11:59:29
Not beating United. Drawing with all the top 4 sides. drawing with Luton and countless others.
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18 Apr 2024 12:20:49
I can't see us winning many of them unfortunetly. it feels like that that time we lost six in a row. We look dead oN our legs.
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18 Apr 2024 12:22:29
Love the optimism lads but it's done now I'm afraid, the United game was always going to be the one and for whatever reason we blew it. Maybe it's Klopps bizarre choice to go back to slow down Pep ball, or the fact the forwards couldn't finish. Same with the Palace game and that was the final nail.
Still been a very good season with an entire new midfield and to win the cup with the kids shouldn't be scoffed at.
But once again City are too strong, now u could point to the VAR in the Spurs game, not getting pretty blatant penalties against Arsenal or City but lifes too short.
Fingers crossed for a minor miracle tonight in Italy, the team is capable of it but as he's already admitted I'm not sure the manager is anymore.
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18 Apr 2024 12:23:36
I'm worried about Fulham away. They always seem to give us a game. In our last 6 games against them we've only won 3, drawn 2 and lost 1.
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18 Apr 2024 12:42:26
In some ways I was hoping that city would win last night but now they only have the league to really focus on I don't expect them to mess up. Very frustrating but I still think we've done brilliantly to keep on their heels. We really are just a consistent striker short this season, needs to be addressed. Hopefully new tactics might resolve that under a new manager either that or we can unearth another Salah-like gem from somewhere!
Different topic, I wonder if the likes of Madrid would still be interested in Haaland given his all round contribution this season. My guess would be no.
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18 Apr 2024 12:53:47
I love how when things go wrong for us Pep gets the blame, though no one was praising him when we were winning every week. The only person to blame for tactics is Klopp.
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18 Apr 2024 13:04:56
Time for Klopp to let the brakes off and full throttle heavy metal football again geothermal full backs rampaging down the flanks for width and bin the hybrid full back role for good
Up the pool.
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18 Apr 2024 13:21:32
Geothermal full backs? That may well be an autocorrect issue but I love it! 🤣.
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18 Apr 2024 13:28:21
Have people seen how majority of teams are setting up to play against us.
Its extremely hard to play heavy metal rampaging football when the opposition put 11 men behind the ball in 30 yards of space and you've got 75% plus possession.
City and Chelsea didn't at Anfield and both nights we looked exceptional. Then we go up against a Sheff utd and Palace and look a different team.
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18 Apr 2024 13:37:34
Jesus lads, wouldn’t want some of you boys in the trenches 😂. I know it’s difficult and we’re going to need a degree of luck but let’s not chuck in the towel yet 🤷♂️. Anyway, ebbed if we can’t win I still want that second spot 👍.
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18 Apr 2024 13:39:17
Wishful thinking I'm afraid mate, we're not winning the league, we can hope but it's not happening and we all know it.
I just wish to Christ tactics would be changed but that's not going to happen. We're pretty doomed this season. Gutted but there's more important things in life. We move on.
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18 Apr 2024 14:08:04
No! Salah not u too, you're the king of positivity on here. Don't listen to me I'm just a cynical grump haha.
There is always hope, maybe just a fools hope.
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18 Apr 2024 14:45:16
I’m not saying that we’ll win or not, but, we have been to Atalanta in a Champions League game at their place and pumped them for five goals with no response in recent memory. So it’s entirely plausible that we can do it again. We’ve nothing to lose but going for the jugular.
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18 Apr 2024 17:00:32
I can’t see where our next Goal comes from never mind Win 🤣
On a serious note I hope we give it a good crack tonight.
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18 Apr 2024 17:15:03
I agree with jk23. We have always struggled against teams with 11 men behind the ball. ( wasn’t that the reason we got Thiago? To unlock defences ) there is not a team out there I’m wary of we have had a wobble and most of you are saying it’s game over, klopps finished he has run his course . Think you need to remember he turned us from doubters to believers. In klopp we trust.
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18 Apr 2024 17:38:36
AAR91, there's a method in my madness mate lol I'm always wrong so if I say we won't win it, we probably will :) - we can hope mate.
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18 Apr 2024 18:04:00
That's a good point, JK. We can't press teams that don't have the ball. But when we have it we need to move it quicker, use more of the pitch and try and pull teams out of their shape. When Salah, Diaz, Gakpo cut inside- without a fullback overlapping- it does my head in.
It's the same with players having an extra touch or look when we are building attacks.
I think we've also suffered because the front three have been weaker with their backs to goal. Diaz is no Mane, Salah has been injured and out of sorts and it's not what Nunez is good at. Nunez is a big lad and his hold up and link up play does need to improve.
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18 Apr 2024 22:01:22
we would struggle to win a raffle.
Klopps clearly checked out mentally, no way a teams form could turn this bad, we've fallen off a cliff.
It's like they've given up.
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18 Apr 2024 22:07:01
Excellent support. Just may as well not bother playing the remainder of our games.
Do any of you even go the match?
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18 Apr 2024 22:21:36
Secure top 4.
If you win the league - brilliant - but others would have to capitulate.
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18 Apr 2024 22:21:50
Have you watched the games cooler? Or do you think anything that's been said is unjustified?
Or do you think it's the forum that's causing us to not be able to pass the ball in the final 3rd?
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18 Apr 2024 22:37:47
Don’t forget the flag protest Dean.
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18 Apr 2024 22:57:19
I am more confident now Salah, ha. I had just about given up.
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18 Apr 2024 23:20:10
We won the game. Not by enough goals, but it’s a scruffy win hopefully it builds some momentum for last few games.
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19 Apr 2024 00:26:43
Looking forward to seeing a new manager and a new system to be honest.
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19 Apr 2024 05:58:19
Taking off my red tinted glasses and based on the way we are playing, I think we finish third or 2nd at best, we aren’t playing great atm or for a while now .
Loved to be proved wrong but I don’t think I will be.
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19 Apr 2024 07:05:27
What are the odds for us to misss out on Top4. 6 games to go. 11 behind spurs, 8 behind Villa. 4 away games. I can't see us winning anything tbh.
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19 Apr 2024 07:31:24
Sadly I'm a bit worried about top4, we could realistically drop a lot of points if these performances continue.
I thought we had a bit of chance for 2 trophies this year, now we have to worry about CL places.
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19 Apr 2024 09:31:05
That is what's concerning me dean, if we continue playing like this we won't win an arguement, imagine if we didn't get top 4? that'd be disastrous.
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19 Apr 2024 09:50:20
Unfortunately we just don’t have enough players playing well. Mac carried us for a good while, but he needs others around him to contribute. If Klopp goes for the same starting midfielders we will drop even more points.
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19 Apr 2024 10:40:51
realistically spurs are 11 points behind, so even with a few expected losses, i would really hope we can be awful and still get top 4.
Otherwise that would be disaster!
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18 Apr 2024 01:03:29
Glad city n Arsenal are out of champs league . I know there english teams . but let's face it they wouldn't want us to win it . so we're still 6 ahead of arsenal n 5 ahead of city . that will do me.
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18 Apr 2024 04:40:01
Arsenal, I don’t care either way. They’re a good club, with an improving manager, they just got outfoxed over two legs by a wily, experienced opponent.
As for City, any time they get knocked out of the Champions League is a win for football, even if it is by Real Madrid. With the latter, you simply have to doff your hat to them - they’ve knocked City out twice now, and that’s the third time Ancelotti has beaten Guardiola in a crunch Champions League tie. No matter the opponent, do NOT make them favourites against Real Madrid. Football doesn’t work like that.
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18 Apr 2024 04:51:20
That’s very magnanimous of you strom! Personally I’d have been ok with Arsenal progressing but let’s face it, they wouldn’t have won it either!
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18 Apr 2024 06:14:01
Just woke up to the city result and it’s glorious.
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18 Apr 2024 07:53:02
Arsenal has spend close to 600 mill euros under "Project Arteta". They splashed 100 mill pounds on one player without threatning their FFP. And they will continue to spend untill they win the CL and or league. Hardly inspiring.
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18 Apr 2024 08:46:16
Going on how Bayern have been this season, that result did surprise me. RM and City was excellent to see, City just wasted too many chances, they should of won that game. Fantastic to see them go out on pens.
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18 Apr 2024 09:01:41
I had both Madrid and arsenal to progress.
People often overestimate British teams and underestimate the historical experience of perennial winners.
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18 Apr 2024 09:05:47
How good was Jude Bellingham yesterday. That first touch and control to set up Rodryog for the first goal. My god. He litreally took out two city players with his first touch. The boy is the best english footballer and is winning it all. You could pay to watch him anyday.
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18 Apr 2024 09:10:00
I for one wanted City to win. The more hard games they have before the end of the season ends, the better for our hopes of winning the PL.
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18 Apr 2024 09:55:57
I was indifferent to whether Arsenal went through or not, but City going out made me laugh, specially Silva missing that penalty so badly. That was hilarious.
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18 Apr 2024 10:06:08
I'm of two minds with these results. On the one hand I'm happy they both lost so morale of the team would be at a low. As a consequence, perhaps they'll underperform and lose a game or two in the EPL.
On the other hand they could feel that now that they have one less competition to worry about and train for, they could focus more on the EPL and make it harder for us to catch up.
All depends on the players and their manager. There's the loss of the "double treble" for ManCity and "feels like deja vu" from last year, for Arsenal.
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18 Apr 2024 10:09:08
Prior to our Palace defeat, I was of the opinion that it would have been good to see City-Arsenal slug it out over two physically and emotionally draining legs in the semi final, giving us a better shot at the title.
After the Palace defeat, I enjoyed their exits last night.
European 'eritage ~Jose Mourinho.
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18 Apr 2024 10:16:54
VV, I watched the game too, and also laughed when he missed. Told myself "yeah bud, what goes around comes around". 😂.
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18 Apr 2024 10:19:25
I wanted both to go through (not win it ) to hopefully take their eye off the league and give them those extra 2 games.
Now City are in the drivers seat and have the league as their primary focus.
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18 Apr 2024 11:58:45
That defeat could also mentally and physically take its toll too though JK, plus if Chelsea take them to extra time and penalties at the weekend it could have a negative impact.
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18 Apr 2024 12:48:06
Elliott - I’m sorry, man, but I can’t tell whether you’re being ironic with that well-worn and disproved theory, or you actually believe it.
City won a treble last season, winning the PL against Arsenal while knocking out Bayern and Real on the way to the final. The idea they will be slowed down by more games is complete folly.
Make no mistake, had City won last night they’d be lifting the trophy again in May. None of the remaining teams would have been strong enough to stop them.
City can hoover up as many league titles as they want. If they don’t win the league it’s a complete and utter failure. The Champions League is what they really want and need (1 win in 8 for Guardiola) .
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18 Apr 2024 12:48:48
We need Chelsea to take City to 120 minutes on Saturday.
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18 Apr 2024 13:21:49
LoweLFC, Arsenal got outfoxed by the team many in their fan base said where washed and they would batter w/ o question? Nah, they got exactly what their arrogance and hubris deserved going against yeah a poor Bayern team BUT one that still has experienced winners of this comp. still in their ranks.
Oh, and Arteta is not a good manager. He plays a good one on TV until crunch time and he gets happy feet and loses control and for the 3rd season in a row may well NOT meet expectations and will win nothing. Just saying.
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18 Apr 2024 13:43:06
I have to admit I like Arsenal (the club) not so much Arteta tho but it would have been nice to see a great club like the Gunners win the CL. A proper club 👍.
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18 Apr 2024 14:02:12
Did we get outfoxed by Atalanta at Anfield, a team most of our fans said we should beat?
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18 Apr 2024 14:02:18
Olired - I don’t disagree. It was quite funny watching Arsenal get knocked out and their daft fans resigned to winning nothing again. But Arsenal aren’t City and everything else the latter entail.
However, Arteta is quite evidently a good manager. Yes, he has spent a lot of money - probably too much - but he has led Arsenal back to competing again. He isn’t as good as Klopp, but then again who is?
He probably needs one of the two big trophies next season, however.
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18 Apr 2024 14:23:29
Mcgoveb that had nothing to do with either set of players mate.
That was match day fans letting down the best fans in the world at home.
I pray they forgive us.
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18 Apr 2024 14:46:58
I’m still laughing about that Silva penalty. Worst penalty ever. Even worse than that Arsenal one where they tried to do that Ajax routine and failed. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke.
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18 Apr 2024 18:46:23
Macgoveb, try to keep up. Atalanta or us has nothing to do with how much gas the Arsenal fans (many of them) put on their team as if they have 3 CL's in ther trophy room talking down to Bayern, their fans and their pedigree. Stay on topic, please.
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18 Apr 2024 18:48:20
LoweLFC, I think Arteta is a good manager the way Brendan Rodgers is a "good" manager. "Let's say it like this", as Klopp would put it, lol.
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17 Apr 2024 11:13:02
Change of subject but I see naby keita has been banned by bremen and given substantial fine for refusing to play at weekend. Only started one league game all season too.
Man, what trouble he is. Possibly klopps worst signing. Some people never change.
Only 2 points off winning league and City could slip up. Never give up.
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17 Apr 2024 12:15:50
He refused to play for us too. Just turned up on the pitch, had a stroll around and collexted his dosh. Awful excuse for a footballer.
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17 Apr 2024 13:53:22
It's a real shame, he had the potential to be an excellent player. He was good before he joined us, joining us could've made him much better but he was a fool. Such a shame to see a player's career dismantle the way his did. Another one, only bothered about money, remember his bragging about his contract when he signed with us? That rang alarm bells. I don't get these players and their mentality these days, it really makes no sense to me.
Will he still get paid whilst been banned?
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{Ed002's Note - There is a limit as to how long wages can be withheld for.}
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17 Apr 2024 14:17:09
I remember ed002 calling it well before he joined and listed all the incidents to that date.
I think the club got the vetting very wrong on that one.
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17 Apr 2024 14:46:08
Him and Steven Caulker were Klopp worst signings in terms of yield
Nunez has the potential to be the worst in terms of value for money especially if the clauses are executed and we cough up the £80m plus for him. He is as deadly as a teddy bear!
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17 Apr 2024 15:11:49
You missed AOC @Shughes.
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17 Apr 2024 15:14:34
Pretty sure Caulker was free and a panic buy, Keita has got to be his worst signing by a country mile. He cost a fortune and was absolutely dreadful when he was “fit”.
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17 Apr 2024 15:49:05
And yet I had people insisting to me a couple of years back that Keita's good pre-season meant he had totally arrived.
Colossal waste of ability.
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17 Apr 2024 17:26:08
Nope don’t agree AOC should not be lumped in the same pile as Keita.
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17 Apr 2024 17:32:29
I think AOC had a very decent, single season with us. I also feel his failings weren't through lack of effort, just pure bad luck with injuries. Keita meanwhile obviously knew he'd hit the jackpot with Liverpool and completely gave up trying, happy to earn the thousands a week for not really doing much.
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17 Apr 2024 17:41:06
Chamberlain before his ACL injury was possibly our best midfielder. He was never the same after that.
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17 Apr 2024 18:12:28
Ox did have a decent first season with us. I don’t think he was ever an established starter though despite scoring some nice memorable goals for us.
In that first season he featured in 42 games for us but he only actually started 20 of those across 4 competitions.
However his stats of 5 goals and 8 assists is impressive.
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17 Apr 2024 18:31:09
iirc, JK, AOC broke into the first team around January that year and started regularly until he got injured.
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17 Apr 2024 18:43:16
I always wanted Naby to do well and he could have cus he had the ability. But his attitude and laziness puts him up there with Diouf and Balitelli for me in biggest wastes of oxygen that have ever wore the red shirt.
Players like Konchesky, Poulsen, etc were crap but at least they tried lol.
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17 Apr 2024 19:11:13
Sr if we look at Jan to his injury there was 13 league games. He started 7 and was on the bench for 6.
Even if we just go from Feb and discount Jan then there was 10 Games and he started 5 and was on the bench 5 mate.
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17 Apr 2024 19:33:36
Hmm. I remember him largely displacing Wijnaldum. Maybe if he started the majority of the CL games in that period it might have looked that way.
*Waits to be told he only started half the CL games*.
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17 Apr 2024 20:42:52
Caulker was a 6m loan, hardly a panic buy as he wasn't a buy. Didn't work out, that's what loans are for.
The Ox was a great player plagued by injuries imo - I really wanted him to work out (as did he! ) What is it about Soton prodigies who then go to Arsenal, and injuries, eh?!
Ed002, can you advise about what triggers Darwin's additional fee clauses? I'm sure it was reported that he actually cost around £65m but with add ons that could go up to £80m.
He needs to start hitting the net more often relative to the chances that he gets, but he is also a million miles away from Naby - he's our committed Agent Chaos!
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{Ed002's Note - The total cost is 100M euro with bonuses related to games played and the success of the club.}
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17 Apr 2024 21:29:43
Was worth his wages just for the city screamers.
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17 Apr 2024 22:22:41
Whatever you think about his time here it will always blow my mind that Klopp dropped him for Henderson in the CL final. They didn’t play much together but Fabinho Thiago Keita were fantastic togethe. City in the Fa Cup semi final. Benfica and Villarreal away in the CL knockouts they were brilliant as a trio.
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17 Apr 2024 22:57:46
I assume you're referring to the 2022 CL Final OneKiss. For all the hype Naby had gotten that season, he'd actually only played really well 4 times at most.
Most of his other "good" performances, he actually went missing 30 minutes in after a decent start.
By the end of the season he wasn't even starting games well. Absolutely the right choice to put in Henderson. Or literally anybody for that matter. A sack of polished coal would've been a better bet as a midfielder than Naby at that point.
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17 Apr 2024 23:01:48
i honestly can't think of a game that Keita was brilliant, much less being MOM
he did score ONE amazing goal, but it wasnt a game changer from what I recall and apart from that, he didn't do much in the game too
he probably had decent games i could count with one hand, then under par games mostly, and more commonly, not even in the matchday squad
AOC on the other hand like many said, had a decent season b4 his injury, he really was never the same thereafter and i can't find myself blaming him. because when he did play for us, effort us always there, some absolute screamers against City, and the way he spoke during press conferences was always great. even his injury, it was incurred not because he was unfit, but because he went in fully for a tackle that he won
the 2 shouldn't be spoken together
Caulker wasnt a great loan, just as Melo, Davis, Kabaz, but i note he was having very bad mental health struggles and did put in 1 decent cameo as a CF to help us win 5-4 against Norwich. again, while his impact was forgettable overall, i wouldn't lump him with Keita who had everything a footballer could ask for to be successful, but did nothing with it the moment he joined us.
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17 Apr 2024 23:28:57
He was good against Man U in 21-22 until Pogba injured him, cos whatever useless PGMOL gnome was officiating lost control of the game by not sending off Ronaldo, Fernandes or Maguire for outright hacking people, he was good against City in the FA Cup, and a couple of other games that season.
And I think he had a good debut against Palace. That was it in 5 years. The best he did apart from that was a good 20 minutes here and there. Never a complete game, much less a run of them.
There was one game in the CL against Athletico he scored a worldie after 10 minutes, said "my work here is done", didn't bother for the rest of the half and got subbed at half time. Vintage Keita performance. Except usually he didn't score the worldie.
Astonishingly lazy.
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18 Apr 2024 00:56:55
Naby worst signing EVER . For some reason Klopp loved him. one of life's mysteries.
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18 Apr 2024 08:42:31
Keitas first game for us (against i think west ham), he absolutely dominated it. Tore them to shreds. Constantly wriggling past players and causing panic as he drove at the defence. I thought we might have a real player on our hands. But it was pretty much downhill from there on.
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18 Apr 2024 09:43:52
i have to say Keita was a bad signing in hindsight and it looks like he has a bad attitude in general. Just happy to pick up his wages pretty much like Thiago has been doing for 2 years. But that won't go down well with some .
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18 Apr 2024 10:13:44
I'm a businessman, so I always think in terms of "value received against money paid". Keita and Thiago have to be absolutely the worst value received, in my years of supporting the club. The Caulker, Sahin and Arthur Melo loans would follow after that.
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18 Apr 2024 12:09:02
A bit of a left field shout, but two for worst LFC signings have to be Suarez and Diouf.
Despite his abilities on the pitch Suarez dragged the clubs name through the mud with racial and assault charges. Diouf was just as bad with his spitting and other shenanigans.
On Thiago i can totally understand why fans would think he's the worst but his wages have had zero effect on me as a fan and what i can say is I got to witness another one of my idols live on quite a few occasions.
Wish it was far more but unfortunately it wasn't meant to be.
He could have been an LFC legend but he's likely to leave underappreciated which will be very much down to his ability to stay injury free.
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19 Apr 2024 00:57:24
Jk u must u must be unwell
Suarez was the most gufted player to olay fir Liverpool. never mind the politics behind him . he was a fantastic footballer.
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19 Apr 2024 01:12:48
Dropping Keita for Henderson in the CL final, OneKiss? Dropping?
Henderson was captain and played far more regularly than Keita.
I don't think I'll ever forget Keita coming on as sub in that game and the volley he hit miles wide. I wish I could but I can't.
Keita was terrible for us.
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