01 Feb 2022 07:53:33
It seems that everything was agreed but time ran out on the deal for Carvalho, really doesn't change much and the noises are that we can still agree the same deal that will go through in the summer but he will remain a Fulham player until then rather than it going through yesterday and being loaned back.
This will alleviate the risk to Liverpool of him potentially signing for a foreign club between now and the summer (or any club in the summer) and for Fulham it takes the risk away that he signs for a foreign club and they get a drastically reduced tribunal fee (250k? ) and also gets rid of the long delays before the tribunal fee would be set if we went down that route.

1.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 09:08:08
OP, I thought so as well. The kid will be at LFC in the summer, IMO cos he is out of contract and clearly wants to come. Fulham are happy as well cos they prolly need him for a promotion push. Win-win, if you ask me.

{Ed077's Note - are you sure he "will be at Liverpool", Oli?

Before Mane signed for LFC, he went on a strike to try and force through a move to Man Utd. 12 months later he signed for their bitter rivals, LFC.

My point is things can change with time (and emergence of new/other opportunities.)

2.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 09:19:35
I don't think that's the case. The player cannot sign a contract with Liverpool until the summer and whilst there could well be an 'agreement', there is nothing stopping a foreign club making him a contract offer now. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the clubs agree, the ball is in the players court, and he can easily be persuaded I'm sure.

3.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 10:16:51
This is what happens when you leave things to the last minute.

4.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 10:42:54
Stuie_boy we can still agree a deal with Fulham and sign him via the conventional route. To my knowledge we could sign him today and he would become a Liverpool player when the window opens the same as any other player.
We cannot however deal directly with him/ his agent and sign a pre contract agreement with a fee to be set at a tribunal.

{Ed002's Note - Correct.}

5.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 09:59:30
Thing is though ed077, United had moved on from Mane when he was available so we had a clear run, I think we’re not going to be dropping our interest in Carvalho. He wants to join us and if we retain our interest and make the offer again he’ll join us.

{Ed077's Note - I'm just saying things can change with time. For all I know, they may announce his signature today only...

6.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 11:37:57
Hi eds. In response to cobras post, so we could buy him now and make sure we have him next season. So if we offered 10mill again. Done deal?

{Ed002's Note - Why would Liverpool pay £10M for an out of contract player?}

7.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 11:16:11
ED77: that’s why getting it wrapped up asap would be good for everyone, for me nothing changes from yesterday to today other than he’s a Fulham player until the summer rather than a Liverpool player on loan at Fulham until the summer.

8.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 12:34:17
Ed2: did we not have to pay just shy of £5m for Elliot with a sell on clause to be paid to Fulham if we sell him on, not 100% sure how the tribunal works but Carvalho has played more first team games and been more successful (not sure how much being younger/ older will affect the price? ) so the tribunal fee could be close to £10m?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool were ordered to pay Fulham:
£1,200.000 Transfer Fee
£300,000 on signing a Professional Contract
£200,000 on contract renewal
£x after x first team games
£x after x first team games
£x after x first team games
£x on call up to senior England squad
The number of games to be played for payments to be made is likely to be 25, 50 and 100 based on passed experience. The total potentially payable is capped at £4.3M. To date £1.5M has been paid.
Fulham will gain 20% of any profit as a sell-on clause.}

9.) 01 Feb 2022

10.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 12:33:58
ED77, I agree with you that things can definitely change. I just think this deal has been postponed till the summer based on what we already know. Obviously, I could be wrong. We shall see.

{Ed077's Note - Transfers are never done until they are completed. Just think of the transfers of players like John Obi Mikel and Willian to Chelsea for examples.

But yeah he almost joined Liverpool last night but for the deadline. But then again the deadline was known to all for months...

11.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 13:40:59
Cobra, that's a good point but my original point still is still valid if I am understanding correctly. Whilst we can agree with Fulham, that means nothing if we can't deal with the player and whilst things are good now, 6 months is a long time for a foreign club to come in and offer him the world.

12.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 12:49:00
Ed well why agree that fee yesterday then and still loan him back. How much roughly would you say the compensation would be?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what fee the tribunal would agree. Liverpool can do something if they want but will need to agree with the other parties.}

13.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 13:28:21
purely hypothetical question. Since FSG does not own any other football team, it will have to be Watford / Udinese. Does Udinese have the opportunity to sign Carvalho and then loan him to Watford to avoid tribunal fees?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. What has Watford got to do with it?}

14.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 13:43:03
Ed2 thanks for the insight.

15.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 14:44:51
C0ffan - Yes. Tottenham was accused of doing something similar (except Standard Liege weren't directly associated with Spurs I don't think) with Zeki Fryers. Ferguson accused Spurs of manipulation.

16.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 17:35:34
Stuie- we could speak to and buy Carvalho with permission from Fulham we are just unable to sign him to a pre contract agreement to sign after his contract runs out.
It would be uncoventional but if we were willing to sign and loan him back yesterday then what would the difference be?

17.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 18:42:56
Doesn't Watford and Udinese have the same owners?

{Ed002's Note - The relevance of which is what? I don't understand what Watford or Udinese have to do with this.}

18.) 01 Feb 2022
01 Feb 2022 20:38:51
I think there is a difference though, the player now knows the deal didn't go through he has no loyalty to Liverpool. I'm sure he would ha e loved to have signed yesterday and I really do hope we get him, whilst my knowledge of him is very limited, he's tipped to do very well. However, I do now think he could well hold off whilst he waits to see what else comes to the table. Just trying to show another side to it, he could well be ready to join up in the summer!