21 Sep 2020 08:05:14
Ed's excuse me if i am not entirely correct with this list, however, with

GK: Kelleher, Grabara

Def: Gomez, Trent, Nico, Nat Phillips*

Mid: Hendo, Milner, Ox*, Jones,

Forwards: Brewster*, Wilson*, Elliot.

(asterisk marking players either linked in the media with a move or fans have suggested be sold to finance a non HG player move)

is there any plan by the club to fix the potential dwindling HG player quota? or is it more a case of don't believe everything you read. It would be interesting to know if the club are looking at bringing in any HG players.

Thanks for all your hard work and answers year round.

{Ed001's Note - the club always looks at homegrown options before buying. We tried for one at left-back if you remember. It is just not that simple as there are only a very limited number of homegrown players and the numbers of good ones is falling rapidly with a lot of the better ones choosing to move abroad now. Players like Musiala will be English (well even that may change as he could choose to represent Germany) but potentially will not come into the homegrown category in the future. So the pot will dwindle still further and make the few good ones even more expensive. That is why the academy will become even more important in the future.}


1.) 21 Sep 2020
21 Sep 2020 08:22:52
Ed001 thank you for the swift reply, i was just wondering as i'm not entirely sure on the ramifications of falling below the allotted quota. If the players touted for a move were to go, surely we would be dangerously close to breaking the rules set out and as such would receive the punishment.

I was just wondering as obviously Academy players would take time to blood through to a standard. Then money is obviously tighter with the current climate and HG players carry a premium. A high premium at that if they are of the wanted standard. Maybe there is a crop of ready made superstars waiting in the academy wings.

{Ed001's Note - there are no ramifications, you just have a smaller squad of players aged over 21. There are no rules stating you have to have them. It is not a quota. It is simply a space reserved in Premier League squads for homegrown players that cannot be taken up by other players.}


2.) 21 Sep 2020
21 Sep 2020 10:09:17
Hi RedQ. If i am getting your question correct, below is my attempt to answer.

Out of the 25 available spaces in a squad. You need to have 8 reserved for the homegrown players, of which 4 should be club home grown like TAA, and 4 can be association home grown. Like henderson.

Now, remaining 17 can be non HG players. If you have more than 17, you will not be able to register all of them. Remember, 2 years ago, Juventus was not able to registet Emre Can for ucl games. The way our squad stands at the moment, we either need to sell some non HG players over 21 else we will have to exclude some of them while registerimg our squad.


3.) 21 Sep 2020
21 Sep 2020 10:45:16
@Bullet. I'm sure the requirement for 4 of them to be club developed is only applicable to our squad for European games.

I'm pretty sure the EPL rules, are just 8 HG players. Players that spent 3 years before 21 years old playing in England and Wales.

{Ed002's Note - I answered this a couple of days ago, but again:

There are two things to consider and not to confuse:

(1) Home Grown: The EPL squad rules are a max of 25 players over 21, of which a max of 17 can be non-Home Grown. The remaining eight have to be HG (spending 3 years between 16 and 21 with an English or Welsh side, regardless of nationality, e.g. Nathan Ake is Home Grown for the EPL). If there are not enough HG players, then the squad size reduces, so if there are only six, the squad reduces to 23. In terms of UEFA competitions, the rules vary slightly with the eight "HG". A maximum of four of those eight can be trained by other clubs in the English and Welsh association. The remaining have to be club developed and trained. So If Arsenal were to recruit Mason Mount, he would fall in to the category of being association trained (by Chelsea) rather than club trained. Again, if there are not sufficient club trained players the squad size is reduced. So for Liverpool, Caoimhin Kelleher, Harry Wilson and Trent Alexander-Arnold are the three that meet this criteria so the squad size in Europe will be 24 rather than 25 (or 23 if Wilson is sold).

(2) Club developed: In terms of "club developed and trained" means that they have spent at least 12 months with the club before the year of their 19th birthday. As such Ryan Sessegnon is not club developed by Spurs nor Joe Gomez by Liverpool.

Non HG (19)
Adrian
Alisson
Andrew Robertson
Diogo Jota
Divock Origi
Fabinho
Georginio Wijnaldum
Joel Matip
Karius
Konstantinos Tsimikas
Marko Grujic
Mohamed Salah
Nobby Keïta
Roberto Firmino
Sadio Mane
Takumi Minamino
Thiago
Virgil van Dijk
Xherdan Shaqiri

HG (7)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
James Milner
Joe Gomez
Jordan Henderson

HG and Club Developed (3)
Caoimhin Kelleher
Harry Wilson
Trent Alexander-Arnold.

Herbie Kane (CM) is HG and Club Developed but not listed in the First Team squad
Nathanial Phillips (CM) is HG but not listed in the First Team squad and is being sold}


4.) 21 Sep 2020
21 Sep 2020 11:01:36
Ed and Bullet,

I think I have just had a long standing misinterpretation of the whole HG situation. For the longest time I believed that the HG ruling was a quota that clubs needed x amount of HG payers in the squad. Now having it explained in the terms that it's only an allocation of your squad taken for only HG player it makes sense.

Thank you for putting it into laymen's terms for my understanding. So basically if we were to sell a portion of our HG players the only backlash would be self issued in the sense of having a smaller squad for a more condensed season ahead.

{Ed002's Note - The club are over the limit for Non HG players that they need to reduce to 17. After that they can have up to 8 HG players. If they have only four, the squad size reduces to 21.}


5.) 21 Sep 2020
21 Sep 2020 11:31:17
RedQ, when these rules first came in, Chelsea's eight homegrown players, for two or three seasons, consisted of John Terry, Frank Lampard, a reserve goalkeeper whose name was Turnbull I think, and five empty spaces.