19 Aug 2020 11:49:29
hi there ed002 hope you are fine first time posting to the site although reading for more than 2 years .
appreciate your insight and work but got 2 questions?

first, are you a liverpool supporter?


2nd about speaking to players before reaching agreement with clubs . my q is isn't that what all clubs do?

how real madrid and Barcelona always did and will always do?

how about fergie back in the day? and most of recent with greezman and sancho
psg with neymar?
chelsea with torres and our beloved cap s gerrard? timo werner too

bayern are too a team that always get his deals with cut prices after having a deal with the player like sane?
yes its against all rules and its wrong but isn't it what every club do . why liverpool doing it seems wrong to you if its the way to get things done?

{Ed002's Note - (a) No. (b) What you are missing is that clubs cannot speak directly with players without the permission of the club that they are contracted to. Other clubs generally abide by the rules - Liverpool don't - hence the statements by RBL about the Werner transfer and the behaviour of Chelsea and hence the comments from Bayern Munich 10 days ago.}

1.) 19 Aug 2020
19 Aug 2020 14:00:25
I get the rules. But don't quite understand them. I suppose without them, players and clubs will be constantly scheming.

But what I really don't get is how do the clubs always find out? (well, probly not always) are the players dumb enough to tell their clubs, "listen here, klopp's been on the phone and I want to play for him, so if an offer comes in please? Erm? Consider it. Or or I'll sulk, and won't play for 3 games". or are their friends and team mates grassing them up. Surely the smart thing would be to say yes to klopp and then keep quiet til the offer comes in. I can't imagine them going against their future managers wishes before even signing, as it would be like grassing your boss up and you could ruin the deal. How are the teams finding out. If klopp is telling the player to tell the club then he surely doesn't care.

Ed02 mate, does it cost to get permission from the club to chat to the player? I just don't understand why a manager wouldn't go down the correct route if it is such a abhorrent act.
I know this is a bit of a silly question but why do you think klopp does it?

{Ed002's Note - No it doesn't cost anything. Clubs appoach other clubs and say they are particularly interested in saigning a player to ask if he is available, what sort of fee is being looked for and, if they are serious, can they talk with the player to see if he would consider a move.}

2.) 19 Aug 2020
19 Aug 2020 14:52:32
Does a club have to contact the club first or can they get in touch with the agent first to see if they player would be interested in a move or is that considered tapping up? Also assuming they are allowed to contact the agent can they not talk to the player and put proposals to the player through the agent without Actually talking to the player? Not trying to condone what’s been done as I think it’s getting embarrassing now just trying to understand what’s allowed and what’s not.

Thanks in advance

Russ.

{Ed002's Note - They can and do talk with agents at any time and there is no problem with that. They can put proposals to players via agents as well - no problem with that.}

3.) 19 Aug 2020
19 Aug 2020 15:40:54
Then surely that’s all we need to be doing. No need to talk to any player directly, everything can be said through the agent. Absolutely stupid to put a clubs back up through skirting around the rules or can clubs get upset if you do this and do not involve the club?

4.) 19 Aug 2020
19 Aug 2020 15:53:58
Can that be seen as a head turner Ed. If Liverpool spoke with an agent of a player. Could that make him then want the move and not be as productive for his team.
I think it should be. Speak with club, agree fee. Speak with agent and player and if it’s a no. Move on. Simple really

I’m sure this was the way not so long ago and I can remember players saying no clubs
Matt Taylor to Sunderland when Roy Keane was there rings a bell.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs typically behave well.}