28 Nov 2017 21:42:56
Right football couldn't be summed up better in this quote.

BBC live stream

"I really really really hate to say this but is this the end for poch at Spurs? "

Is this a joke. Like honestly. Champions league regulars, and now potential group winners. A title challenge. Ok players turned into absolute super stars. A team going no where now entering elite realms within the prem. Omg. I can't believe that got posted hahaha.


1.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 22:11:45
I think the guy might have a point. Poch built a cracking side 2 years ago and they were genuine contenders to Leicester. Last season though they may have finished 2nd, but they never looked like genuine contenders.

Poch has signed dross like Wanyama, Sissoko, Aurier, Nkoudou, Sanchez etc. He's hacking apart a great team and trying constant changes in his formation and tactics and it is killing them. They're now boring and inconsistent. When he gets it right they're great, but when he gets it wrong they just look decent. I don't know why he keeps signing players who are strong or fast but have no actual quality.

I think Poch has taken them as far as he can and now he is desperately trying to go one step further, but has ran out of ideas. He's done a great job though, and it's possible that it is Spurs holding back Poch than vice versa. Whichever it is, Poch doesn't look capable of winning trophies at Tottenham and Tottenham don't look capable of winning trophies with Poch.

I predicted before the season that Spurs and Arsenal would be the teams to miss out on the top 4. I thought Spurs had proved me wrong when they started winning at Wembley, but they've only gone and gotten all Spursy and bottled it 4 months earlier than normal!


2.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 22:12:59
Like how? I am a fan of Poch. But it’s november 28 and they are left with only FA cup to play for! Title is out of hands now. By tomorrow they might slip down to 7th place. They won’t win the CL and FA cup is anybody’s game.
I am sorry but a manger is judged by trophies unless he is Mr klopp. He works under levy on a modest budget is his best advantage!


3.) 28 Nov 2017
28 Nov 2017 23:05:27
I agree with MK on this but I’d like to add they rely way, way, way too much on Kane. Let’s not forget Poch was the guy who refused to play Kane initially preferring Soldado until fan pressure got to him.
They have a bigger problem though and that is Kyle Walker. Allowing him to leave for City was a huge mistake in my view and will see their team fall apart. You can imagine the banter going back and forth about what he’s doing and the money he’s earning. Sooner or later they will all want a bit of that and Spurs won’t give it to them. We’ve already seen Rose piping up and Ali seems to being readying himself for a move. Even Kane will go if he’s not earning the money he deserves as one of the best strikers in the world and who can blame him?


4.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 00:54:12
i think pooch is the best manager thwy can have. yes a manager is judged on tropies but who is available out there who will go to spurs and guarantee a trophy. no one. Winning the prem you have to invest and have the best players and get lucky too. Leicester was an exception to be honest. Can our manager guarantee trophies or build a side better than spurs with the limited budget pooch has? i 100% doubt it. so based on the last few games if pooch should get the boot then Kloop should too.
Levy is very smart bussinessman he will not sack pooch as pooch is good in developing youngster and then they will sell them for profit and if he can get them CL every year then that's guaranteed revenue too.


5.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 03:07:06
How amusing that the OP bemoans fickleness of modern football supporters and the the subsequent posters show their fickleness. Pochettino is a superb manager who has done a brilliant job at Spurs and is going through his first sticky spell in 3 years, barring a couple of terrible misses they would have beaten Leicester. Yes Spurs probably can’t win the league, guess what neither can about 18 other teams now. Spurs, like Liverpool are never going to have instant success, it has to be built over time.


6.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 03:58:47
Spurs has not won a league title in over 55 years while Liverpool in over 26 years. Over time! 😆😆😆😆. The mantra is simple! Invest heavily and sustain the success! Chelsea and City are prime examples, who will not fall off from their current regime!


7.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 05:49:30
Yes Harry you are probably correct the best way to achieve success is to spend more money than anyone else, however most clubs are unable to spend £200 million in one summer, therefore these clubs need to find another way to try to be successful. It’s not a level playing field, therefore we shouldn’t hold the likes of Klopp and Pochettino to the same expectation as Guardiola and Conte.


8.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 06:35:14
I think this little run is proving that he relies on Alderweireld as much as he relies on Kane.


9.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 07:19:13
Smeg, he's a great manager. I didn't dispute that.

However, he has hit a ceiling at Spurs and they are now going backwards. He built a world class team, and as it ages and gets dismantled, he is replacing people with bang average players due to a lack of funds.

It was okay to slowly build a team to get to where they are, but now he's losing his best players, he needed to replace them with people of equal quality to stay where they are. That is simply impossible with the financial constrictions at Spurs. Harry Kane is a £300k a week, £200m striker. Poch will get £40m and £100k a week to replace him though. It's not possible.

Spurs could still win a domestic cup, but Pochettino isn't interested in them. He wants the League or CL.

Give Spurs a manager like Dyche and i reckon they'll win a domestic cup.

Give Poch and team like Real Madrid and i reckon he'll win the CL.

The Poch-Spurs thing has gone stale though. If you were a Spurs fan would you rather finish top 4 every year and never win a thing? Or finish top 6 every year and win the odd trophy? No brainer for me, as Trophies are everything.


10.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 07:51:24
This is the irony of this debate. Poch, a very good manager who has won nothing in his career, is considered a great manager and by some, a better manager than our own JK who actually has a pretty loaded trophy cabinet. That can definitely not be right, logically. The same people who say that trophies are the best way to judge a manager, also say that a manager who has won nothing is better than one who actually has, based on their careers. Another illogical conclusion. A manager that has won nothing simply CANNOT be considered as great, simple. That makes NO sense but anyway, I digress.

As for Poch, I think MK and some others are too quick to jump on the Poch is finished rhetoric as to me, all they are having now is a wobble. We had a wobble ourselves last Jan/ Feb and this season and that did not stop us from making CL or gaining 10 out of 12 points of late. Let's wait and see if this continues before we draw conclusions. I do think that Spurs lacks depth and Poch only has one way of playing and does not know how to/ want to change things when things up tactically. As for who will win what if given this or that team, no one really knows so to me, that is a non debate. We shall see what happens to Spurs going forward esp. with some of their star players (Toby, Rose) don't wanna play there anymore, it seems.


11.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 09:03:27
Poch is tactically a very good manager and better than Klopp! Poch needs money! Spurs need money! Unfortunately his hands are tied and he need to work inside a very tight budget at spurs which will always derail his title challange. They have a very good first 11 but a relatively poor bench! They are the next Arsenal. Build a brand new stadium lol!

You can't blame some fans who are sick and tired of watching them winning nothing year in year out. Not everyone are liverpool supporters.

A manager is judged by trophies. Period! Not by the goals his side scores, Not by the goals his side concede. It’s trophies and only trophies!

It’s no irony. Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool will always have to contain with chasing 4th place trophy while City, Chelsea and UTD will always be mentioned in the title chase!

{Ed001's Note - if he is so tactically good, why has he been undone by the likes of Puel this season? Why does such a great manager keep leaving Dembele on the bench while picking donkeys like Sissoko who have all the defensive ability of a 5 year old child? Why did he buy the world's most overrated defender in Davison Sanchez and continue to pick him as first choice, despite him being terrible defensively? Poch is ok, but he needs to win something, instead of his team folding every time they get within reach of a trophy to be considered great.}


12.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 09:08:34
My best mate is a Spurs fan and he still thinks Poch is taking spurs forward. I think he's got as close to success as possible and now the team will disintegrate as his star players seek the wages they're worth.


13.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 09:22:06
I don’t know why he refuses to chose Dembele. ( his injury might be one reason ) He doesn’t last 90 mts. How ever I agree he is the best midfielder at Spurs. Spurs are certainly missing Toby and Llorente has been a flop. Sanchez is ok. He is young and would improve. Aurier is crap. I don’t know who calls the shot in signing players.
Poch is good but he needs to win which he won’t, hence spurs fans are not happy!


14.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 18:14:04
Ar no ed. He's an absolute beast of a manager.

What he has done with the budget and players at his disposal is simply fantastic.

His champions league qual coming against trams spending 70+ mil per year and more. Whilst he gets a pittance.

They had mane at the training ground when we signed him but levy won't break the wage structure so they couldn't get him. Signing players like sanchez was because he is playing a back 3 and wants an anchor, he wasn't signed for his defensive qualities aka a carra but more his sweeping qualities. Pace and passing. He plays sissoko for his energy up and down the park.

He has bought players like wanyama and achieved 2nd in the league.

He gave kane his chance. Yrs kane took it but he gave It, how many managers give therre young players a shot.

That year he also gave mason and bentaleb there debs.

He also turned walker into a 50 million pound player.

You forget the only real players he has fought in his proper starting 11 is, alderwiereld, wanyama, ali and son.

Now that's a proper coach, who doesn't need his 'own' players. That team that is now so good was absolutely dog before him.

I think he's brilliant but just suffering from lack of transfer options.

Imagine they had got mane last year and salah this year. If the money and wages had been spent. There already a different propersition.

{Ed001's Note - sounds like lots of excuses for mediocrity there. Also a load of crap about turning Walker into anything, the transfer market's inflation turned him into a £50m player, not Poch. Wanyama is dog turd. Sorry but Poch is nothing special until he wins something and stops buying crap like Sanchez, Wanyama and Sissoko to replace quality players. You are just another Harry, with the grass is greener syndrome.}


15.) 29 Nov 2017
29 Nov 2017 20:25:57
Top - one small clarification. Im pretty certain it was Sherwood who gave Kane his chance not Poch. i do like the way he has setup his team so they know their roles and cover for each other (some of our players could do with learning that) . Do worry that his teams do seem to let pressure get to them. Not sure if that is down to him or that his players don't have the mental strength to push on and win trophies. Im going to wait and see how he handles this "slump".