27 Feb 2017 23:01:21
This isn't gloating, just to put it out there before I start. This is just constructive opinion from outside.

I can't believe how tactically naive Klopp still is after 18 months in this league. Don't get me wrong he's obviously talented, and when your on it, your brilliant to watch. But time after time he fails to recognise problems during the game and act upon it. Now you can forgive this for a time, but 18 months and he isn't learning his lesson. Going with Lucas tonight, knowing the pace of Vardy, and playing a high line knowing he loves to run off the shoulder of the last defender, was a disaster. And yet he did nothing to change it during the game. It's almost BR again in that it's one way and one way only. No plan B.

I felt this year was the year you had to capitalise to win the league, with the other top sides having new management, plus Liverpool having full weeks between games without European football, then with the early domestic Cup exits. But the leagues long gone. I still think you have every chance of top 4. You have a lot less games to play than us, so hold the aces imo.

If you were to miss out on top 4, I think next season becomes huge for Klopp, as if he were to miss out next season also, then surely he would be gone?

Anyway, you have enough quality up top to make top 4. But Klopp needs to learn to adjust or get left behind again.

Ps, Clyne for me is a big weakness.

1.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 02:16:24
Clyne can run fast . Positive.
Don't have time to list all the negatives but just once it would be nice for a cross of his to beat the first defender.

Firing your manager days before you play Liverpool is also a proven winning formula.

2.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 03:04:48
Fair call Stand United, we were tactively naive against Leicester. Once Hendo was injured we should have dropped another midfielder deep as there was no way Can could control the game on his own and cover the CBs effectively. Compound that with Vardys pace against Lucas and with Leicester having so much to prove we should have been preparing for a massive battle and prioritising defensive solidity over attack. Yet again we lose to a bottom 4 side, and yet again to a side that played smarter with less possession (31%)

3.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 04:47:12
Clyne isn't our biggest problem, but he's a great example of how this team isn't good enough. Decent defensively but mostly mediocre, and sometimes awful, going forward. A real inadequacy down the right hand side.

{Ed001's Note - do you think he is even decent defensively? He is just quick and full of running. He is so poor positionally that he is constantly chasing opponents, rather than being in place to stop runs etc.}

4.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 04:57:53
Yes, some of us have said this since the beginning that it was something to be wary of regarding Klopp. Some where so lost in the hysteria surrounding him that even after his first season people where saying 'I can't believe he's our manager' this just showed the mentality of some supporters, as if people had accepted mediocrity. Not because we finished 8th under Klopp in that season and lost in two cup finals but because people acted as if it is liverpools honour to have Klopp rather than his honour to be coaching this club, it was embarrassing and never went down well with me, and you still have some posters and some 'respected' people on this site still making the same excuses. This is a shared responsibility, and it definitely isn't only the players execution that's the problem. You don't lose to the teams we have lost to and say that it's all down to the players, there's something more than that. There is a stubbornness in preparing us and not studying the opposition. The very best managers are able to prepare for their oppnonents, and that means playing different ways sometimes. We play one way and if it works it works to great affect, if it doesn't we are doomed from the off and Klopp does very little to change it. Klopp suffers from similar problems to rogers even though they have different style of play. Klopp has shown he does try to change things at times and it has worked on occasion but rarely ever happens during a game. Everyone seemed to forget that during klopps last season at Dortmund, they where in and around the relegation zone around mid season, Klopp seems to have a habit of going on dreadful runs and not knowing how to fix it until it eventually fixes itself. We had a mini version of what we are going through now last season around the same time. I trust Klopp to get it right but I think it has the potential to go southward just as easily as it goes upwards, and that's a major concern going forward. I said before Klopp arrived that I preferred someone else we where in for at the time who may or may not have been a viable option but certainly would have been better for the short term and I stand by that. I always said Klopp would be more long term and I also stated I didn't think we would win the league with him, but we would win trophies and achieve top 4 status. I think these where very realistic assumptions, and I hope to god I'm wrong in terms of not winning a league.

Please don't take this as negativity, I remain fully behind Klopp and the team. Even if we don't achieve top 4 I would still stick with Klopp, even though that would be a failure. The penny will drop for me if the right sort of players aren't bought in the summer, I think that will be telling. Until then we will just have to continue fighting for top 4 and get lucky as it's out of our hands now.

{Ed001's Note - so one season out of 14 in Klopp's career is evidence that he doesn't know how to fix a bad run? How on earth do you get that from that ONE season? Nothing about his career has suggested any such thing.}

5.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 10:18:01
Thing is, in that one season, Klopp actually fixed it and Dortmund ended the season very well.

{Ed002's Note - He won with Dortmund - years and years ago. Great job.}

6.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 12:56:53
Just like Dier and Davies against Mane had a clear outcome, Lucas vs Vardy has only one outcome. Klopp has been technically average all his career. Lost two cup finals in a very similar fashion. Dreadful midfield and terrible defense.

7.) 01 Mar 2017
28 Feb 2017 18:38:42
I wouldn't have to mention that season if similar things hadn't repeated themselves ed01. There is clearly something wrong when you go on a run as bad as what we are going on now and what Dortmund had in their last season. Just look at dortmunds squad that season and tell me they should have been down near the bottom even with their problems with injuries, what are you going to do blame it on the players here as well. That same stick was used to beat mourinho with but he has done a half decent job of building utd up after a dreadful start having won one competition and has a chance of winning another 2 and finishing in the top 4. And like Klopp last season this is mourinho first season, so he will get a bye for his dreadful start. Obviously the situations are somewhat different because mourinho has much more resources and had that at Chelsea also, but the reason the players stopped playing for him at Chelsea is because he's a c*** not because he's got problems with his game management. Klopp on the other hand does and there's no way of sugar coating it. We have had every excuse since this dreadful run and we had similar excuses last season and they all turned out to be excuses. The buck sits with the players but also with Klopp. If it was a one off I wouldn't even mention it, but it's happened more than once now so it's a factor in assessing Klopp. With Klopp you don't know what to expect, it can either go tits up or miracles can happen and after rogers I didn't think that's what we needed. Either way he's here and I'm glad he's our manager but I wasn't one that brown nosed him and I was always going to call out the insufficiencies of Klopp and the players. Be half glass full if you want but I'm tired of that mentality.

{Ed001's Note - did you look where Dortmund finished the season? And I have discussed this to death when Klopp joined, there were a hundred factors involved, including the players losing focus after so many sales of players. No club continues to compete indefinitely when it continually sells its best players to its rivals. It was a miracle they managed to stay competitive at all. Have you looked where they are now under Tuchel? Klopp clearly sorted out the players and got things going before that season ended. The difference being the fans got behind him over the players, he had their full and complete backing, unlike at Liverpool where the morons are out in force with their ridiculous idiotic thoughts that we are entitled to win everything.}