05 Aug 2021 14:41:19
Hi Eds, I'm reading a lot regards Matip being involved in swap deals. Can we then assume Phillips is going to be 4th choice defender. I think I'm asking more in hope than expectation. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any swap involving Matip. It has seemed strange to me that Liverpool were looking to sell NP and keep JM. Perhaps that position has changed?}

1.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 15:16:38
total guess work but maybe the club have decided to keep Np being a home grown player and free up a non home grown slot by shipping out matip.

2.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 15:27:22
Finally some sense prevails. Considering last season it should be philips who starts the season with vvd and then its up to him. If he performs well then gomez is backup and konate rotates with vvd.

3.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 15:59:08
Apart from the fact he just doesn't have the mobility to suit our system. He will not be starting first choice at the beginning of the season neither will VVD in fairness. First game more than likely matip and konate as it stands I would guess.

4.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:01:30
Konate rotates with VVD ðŸ™„ This Akira has to be a blag account.

5.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:13:03
Phillips starting ahead of Gomez and Konate? Stay off the recreational substances.

6.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:17:46
Matip is 3 times the player Nat is and suits our system . Nat stepped up and will earn himself a starting berth and decent wage elsewhere.

7.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:29:57
Ed002 as you have stated about are financial situation I think Phillips would be sold as there will be takers for him. I think Matip is a very good defender and if he did not have his injury problems there would be loads of clubs happy to have him but the most league games he has played for us in a season was 29 in his first season and over the last 2 season his only played 19 league games. So at 29 I canâ€™t see to many clubs wanting him especially with the wages he will be on after we picked him up out of contract.

8.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:38:48
I understand that Matip has had an especially bad injury record during the past 3 years. But to compare Phillipsâ€™ skills to Matip is crazyâ€¦ Matip is world class. No comparison IMO.

{Ed025's Note - good player power, but world class?...hmmmm..

9.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:42:13
Joel matip is miles better than Phillips. Maybe thatâ€™s why their trying to sell him also maybe the club realise Phillips stock will never be higher than it is currently and might like to add 1 of them belter sell on clauses in for good measure.

10.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 16:45:03
Perhaps Matip realised he's likely be Fourth choice defender and he wants to be a starter, that coupled with what Wyred said can all make sense. ðŸ¤žðŸ˜ƒ.

11.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 17:39:30
I knew liverpool fans were bonkers.
Drooling for Keeping a 29yo on 100k a week for being mostly injured over a 24 year old home grown, excellent talent player who delivered when it mattered.
Also calling matip world class just shows red tinted frame of mind of the highest levels. Lad can't play 10 games w. o getting injured.
I mean i don't even have to try to irk you guys.

12.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 17:51:01
I donâ€™t know why people are so desperate for signings. Personally Iâ€™m pretty happy with the squad we have.

13.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 18:00:13
I know it's juvenile, but there is no sentence containing Matip that doesn't make me snigger.

14.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 18:07:36
Feel like Matip is some mythical being, yeah he's alright but when was he world class? mad.

15.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 18:34:23
Matip may be 3 times more superior as a footballer than Phillips but heâ€™s about 300 times more injury prone and made out of crisps. No point being a back up if youâ€™re not reliable.

16.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 18:57:40
@akira have you watched many games involving Joel Matip? Judging from your uninformed comment I'd wager you probably haven't. If you had, you'd know that Matip is our second best defender and statistically up there with some of the best defenders to have played in the premier league. Presently, Nat Phillips is not anywhere near his level.

17.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 19:04:20
Stats mean nothing if you are only available 20 games a season.

{Ed0666's Note - well technically they are if youâ€™ve played 20 games

18.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 19:42:34
Tell the big German fella that wants him at the club then Akira instead of telling us.

19.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 20:22:20
I remember watching Stuart Pearce play for England when his head was bleeding and it was probably the most passionate I've seen anyone play football. It was a real win or die attitude. I felt the exact same thing from Phillips last season. Matip may be better at the moment but Phillips will get better and if he plays with that passion that's worth an extra 20 skill points all day long.

20.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 20:26:37
Surprised to see so many against this idea. I'm with VVVD on this - it doesn't matter that Matip is a lot better, he is hardly ever available.

Nat is good enough to be 4th choice. HG quotas and wages and age are all in his favour as well.

21.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 21:09:27
I'll take Phillips over Matip as the 4th choice CB all day, if you're that far down the pecking order, you need to be available most of the time, you can't say that for Matip. Availability, age and money all pluses for Nat, hate to see a decent player leave but it makes good business sense to me if it's true.

22.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 21:39:43
Matip, from multiple accounts, is great in the dressing room and valuable for team chemistry. This is why he is probably staying. The chemistry of this team may well bring more trophies.

{Ed025's Note - let him go and sign bradley walsh then, im sure he would be a hoot in the dressing room..

23.) 05 Aug 2021
05 Aug 2021 23:22:59
To the OP, where were you reading this? Who is it we are supposed to be swapping him for?

From what heâ€™s actually said in what I generally assume to be the real world (as opposed to social media world where a considerable number of people seem to hear strange voices in their heads, which they then seem to accept as fact) Herr Klopp is a big fan of Matip both as a player and because of his positive influence on the squad both on and off the pitch.

It seems a teensy weensy bit odd that he would be looking to get rid of Matip and keep Phillips when - if everybody is available Phillips wouldnâ€™t get a spot on the bench.

I think Phillips is a good, solid old school defender but Her Klopp doesnâ€™t coach his teams to play old school football.

24.) 06 Aug 2021
06 Aug 2021 07:16:04
Sorry Wuger what swap deals are you referring to with Matip?

25.) 06 Aug 2021
06 Aug 2021 09:00:28
Since when was Gomez above Matip in the pecking order?