23 Apr 2019 14:41:54
The Reds are said to value the midfielder at €40 million (£34.6m) . And that's for Grujic.? I can't belive that. Atletico willing to pay this amount to get him as Rodri replacement. If we do sale him for 40 mil this will be some buisness.

{Ed002's Note - It would be a good return on screwing his career up for a while.}

1.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 14:58:51
Very true edd 2, it won't be the last player either. To be fair all clubs have done this in the past but our record over last few years not been great.

{Ed002's Note - I'm not sure all of the clubs have done this.}

2.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 14:59:15
Wow the money in the game is truly obscene.

3.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 15:02:21
I don’t get how we have screwed up his career? He was signed and when he was deemed not good enough, he has been loaned out. This literally happens with hundreds of players every season.

{Ed002's Note - Signed on the basis of being lied to; work permit on the basis of a lie; not used and loaned out.}

4.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 15:33:04
was he lied to because he was going to play. but he was not good enough to get when he came then that's up to him to step up. don't see how that's screwing up his career have utd screw up freds career have Chelsea screwed up danny drinkwaters career players move to clubs and it does not work out they have to take it on there self's to push to get in the team when he did play he did not do enough to stay in the team. look at Henderson think it was Rodgers that tried to sell him but he refused to go and stayed and battle for his place. david beckham did the same at madrid got sent to train with the youth players under Fabio Capello but we carried on working hard and got back in the team.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a compulsive liar when it comes to recruitment. There is nothing new. It is nothing to do with Drinkwater. You need to step back from making embarrassing excuses for Liverpool and Klopp. It is what it is.}

5.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 15:33:22
After the messing around the player has had it would be a good move all round, think he would do well in Spain in a Simone team. Maybe even develop into a 50/ 60 million pound player if he can do it in the champions league etc.

6.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 15:57:27
klopp didn't buy Grujic and the player was never in his plans when Grujic finally arrived. But i'm sure if he was klopps type of player he would have made it work.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp lied, got Liverpool to buy him, lied to the appeals committee, didn’t play him and let him go on loan.}

7.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 16:00:10
Is there truth that AM are looking at him then Ed or not please?

{Ed002's Note - He cannot get a work permit because of what has been done. Clubs will look to him.}

8.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 16:10:40
Is there truth to this rumour ed?

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in him.}

9.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 16:40:42
Re: Klopp and Grujic, what was in it for Klopp to lie to acquire him? Did he lie and say that he was going to play him when in reality he was looking to improve squad depth, and Grujic was going to have to win his place? If he was truthful about Grujic having to compete for his place, would the move have been shot down internally?

{Ed002's Note - He told the player and the WP committee he would be played regularly. There is nothing new in this - he has been a liar for years and years. Just rather embarrassing these attempts to defend him.}

10.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 16:51:13
Ed002, appreciate the (often repeated) details at the expense of your own aggravation! Being relatively new to this board, I hadn't heard much on this before. Thank you!

11.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 16:57:26
Whether klopp said he would play him or not, when the player was not up to the standard required, he was loaned out! What is Klopp supposed to do? Carry on playing him even though he’s not good enough? If he had stepped up and improved, he would have played! You seem to have a personal vendetta against klopp and Liverpool.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a compulsive liar - there have been numerous examples like this, try not to make pitiful excuses - it is very embarrassing. I appreciate you don’t want the truth. Klopp is a liar and a cheat.}

12.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 17:04:18
With all this info being readily available (albeit her thanks to the all knowing eds) is there a reason Klopp hasn't been brought to persecution? I mean I've read of several dodgy transfer dealings on here, he must of been like this at Dortmund too. I'm sure a sting merchant journo would love a high profile victim like Liverpool/ Klopp.

13.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 17:38:47
Ed002s constant attempts to make Klopp look like the worlds worst man is hilarious Hahahaha.

{Ed002's Note - Would ypou like to point out something that is incorrect?}

14.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 17:38:40
Does he not already have a work permit? IF not how has he made 14 previous appearances for us?

{Ed002's Note - No, he needs a new work permit.}

15.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 18:08:21
klopp could be a champions league winner and premier league winner by the end may.

swings and roundabouts. there's a talent you want, id lie if it meant getting around pathetic bureaucracy, work permits are a load of tosh. they expect you to make a prediction on a young players success before they can buy a pint. this causes people to lie to get around it.

klopp doesn't lie and grujic is now on his way to Barcelona from Marseille for 80 mil it's another ' we got it wrong

This does not make it easy to accept the wrongs in grujic treatment but an understanding.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp is a compulsive liar - and these pitiful attempts to justify it are a complete joke.}

16.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 18:24:26
Sorry but nievity. but generally all I hear is how the player love working under klopp. if my boss was a compulsive liar I would not enjoy working for him.

{Ed002's Note - Naive.}

17.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 17:38:40
Does he not already have a work permit? IF not how has he made 14 previous appearances for us?

{Ed002's Note - He left the country to play elsewhere and will need a new one.}

18.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 17:38:47
Ed002s constant attempts to make Klopp look like the worlds worst man is hilarious Hahahaha.

{Ed002's Note - You want to tell me exactly what is untrue here? Moron.}

19.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 18:40:48
Ed02, Klopp must have done something really bad to you (or one of your clients? ) for you to hold such a poisonous grudge against him. Care to share?

{Ed002's Note - I don’t have any grudge against him. People just don’t like the truth and I don’t like cheats and liars.}

20.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 18:54:37
Klopp is what klopp is not defending him just sayinh
but how many players do Chelsea have out on loan
last count it was something like 43 or maybe even higher
they have a nigerian left back who has been out on loan something like 5 seasons in a row
surely this is worse then what is happening with Grujic.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what any of this has to do with Chelsea. You certainly know how to embarras yourselves. And I am pretty sure that Chelsea don't have a liar and a cheat as a coach.}

21.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:01:27
nothing to do with Chelsea you highighted one liverpool player I highlighted 43 chelsea players
im sure a few of them were made promises about first team chances
and wp were obtained by saying they would play and were players who would not be loaned out but given first team chances
You always seem to make comments about liverpool which we all appreciate
I made one about Chelsea with no harm intended.

{Ed002's Note - I didn't raise the issue, one of the supporters did. There is no issue with Chelsea having players on loan. They have not been lied to - you are just embarrassing everyone trying to make it about someone else.}

22.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:08:06
To all above posters, please leave it as it is, for the sake of he site! Last thing we need or want is Ed002 pissed off with us and as a result not sharing information with us! Ed002, I fit one agree and can see what you are saying in that Klopp does and has previously made promises he can’t or doesn’t stick to.

23.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:10:53
I will stop as the point im making seems to be lost in you trying to go a different path
chelsea are no saints when signing players klopp tells lies according to you and we have to accept that
thank you for all your info mate much appreicated.

{Ed002's Note - You have not actually said what Chelsea has done wrong - you just seem intent on deflecting away from the Liverpool coach.}

24.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:17:20
Mate we cannot on a open forum be in fear of posting where there has not been any insults towards an ed or disrespect
im sure ED002 is not so bothered that he would take offence at anything written above.

{Ed002's Note - I am in tears.}

25.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:19:11
That Jurgen is an awful rascal! telling porky pies like that, how are all the other saintly managers meant to beat him? 😂.

{Ed002's Note - See, you can make a joke of it. How much has Liverpool lost in face and financially because of him. Maybe you should consider that?}

26.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:19:26
Klopp is neither a cheat nor a liar.

{Ed002's Note - Bottom of the pile looking up I am afraid.}

27.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:25:40
Uh huh, just above you Ed.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure the fans of other sides will love you for just dragging it all out and making everyone look really stupid.}

28.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:29:12
I say loan him out for another season, unless after watching him in pre season a decision is made that he's good enough to play a part next year. He only signed a new contract last summer, is having a very good season in germany and is improving all the time. Athletico and Simeone don't sign bad players.

{Ed002's Note - The work permit is the issue.}

29.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:45:24
In fairness when he wins the double this year im sure he'll be forgiven for the face and financial losses the club has incurred. I doubt he loses sleep over it, i certainly don't lie awake at night worrying about what a scoundrel we have taking us to the title.

30.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 19:50:01
What is it with some people? Ed02 has an opinion of Klopp, no doubt informed by personal experience and/ or the experiences of others whose word and judgement he trusts. Others, including posters on this site (including me) have a completely different opinion, largely informed by media coverage rather than personal contact. I don’t have a problem with Ed02 expressing his opinion - after all, isn’t that what we all do as posters on this site? Why the vitriol towards Ed02 from those who hold a different opinion? Might I suggest that if you find it offensive you find another site that only has views about Liverpool that concur with your opinions?

31.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 20:10:47
Hardly vitriol Wirral? 😁.

32.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 20:35:57
Not from you Little Naby but from a small number of others. I certainly do not share Ed02’s opinion of Klopp and have challenged him on it in the past but I don’t think I resorted to insults or pettiness. Also, like you, I have no qualms about Klopp’s alleged ‘lying and cheating’ but I am a committed Liverpool supporter and Ed02 isn’t so he has a different perspective. All I am trying to say is there is room on the site for lots of different views from Eds and posters.

{Ed002's Note - It is not so much a different perspective - it is simply the way it is.}

33.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 20:57:29
Been honest who cares if klopps lies to manipulate the system who says he's the only one who lies in sure there all at it
Fergie lied
Big Sam
The football world isn't known for its honesty.

{Ed002's Note - And the cheating? And the money the lies and cheating are costing the club - there are good reasons Liverpool paid double the agent fees over any other club. There were good reasons why they have paid over the top - significantly - for players. There are good reasons the club has zero respect within the game. But it turns out it is OK because everybody else does it. Great stuff.}

34.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 21:14:36
I'm rolling with ed2 encouraging us fans not to worry about finances. So I am not worried about the micro details. These tings aside, which we don't have all the details for and therefore make it difficult to form a real opinion other than what ed2 is telling us, Klopp and the team are doing great. hope there is a trophy to reward them for their efforts.

35.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 21:14:02
He's 23 and on the verge of a 40m transfer to Athletico. It's not like we've ruined his career is it? Athletico wouldn't pay that for a backup player. I predict big things for him and well deserved for showing his worth while on loan.

36.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 21:16:26
What’s the point of success if you have to cheat to achieve it?
I care if we cheat.
Seems ed002 cares too which is far more protective of the club than anyone who takes a negligent view of it.

37.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 22:20:27
I think it’s the way Ed2 voices it that winds people up the wrong way. He has knowledge that we don’t so is probably right about Klopp and I couldn’t comment on other managers as I don’t know but I’d suspect it goes on a lot with lots of managers but who cares?
Ed you did ask though about what Chelsea have done wrong. Surely the fact they have an impending transfer ban tells you they’ve done plenty wrong?
That’s not deflecting, just answering your question with the results of a thorough investigation in to the transfer dealings of another club. They have a ban and Liverpool don’t so you’d logically assume they are worse than us.
I don’t mean to offend just giving my point of view.

{Ed002's Note - The question was asked about loans. However please explain everything you know about the ban - love to hear it - or is this simply more ignorant deflection from someone who actually doesn’t know anything at all? Looks like yes is the answer to that and you have dragged the Liverpool fans even lower.}

38.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 22:26:10
Well I’m holier than all of you, so there.

{Ed002's Note - So you think there is something in religion then? Or are you just another easily led Liverpool fan? You do appreciate that there is zero evidence that whatever false god you worship exists at all? Probably not.}

39.) 23 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 22:36:39
Ed002, I've seen you criticize Klopp for years now, and it used to bother me quite a bit because I rather like him and always felt that you knew some dark secret that nobody else did. I know it'd be as much of a pain as one of those "list of all transfer rumors" posts, but do you think you could lay out a few bullet points of Klopp's infractions for us?

I'm curious as to what constitutes lying and cheating for you, so much so that you'd feel so strongly about it. Namely, I'd like to know if it'd be enough to make ME feel the same way. I initially wrote the tapping-up stuff off as him getting caught doing what everyone else did, but I do get the feeling that it was somewhat worse than that. I'm not in love with the man, but I really enjoy having him as manager and it SEEMS as though most of the players do too. Lying to the WP board isn't nearly enough to change that for me but something more nefarious might be.

{Ed002's Note - It will make it worse and worse. I can give you other things about the club as well, but why drag it down further and Forster?}

40.) 24 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 22:58:00
Didn't Liverpool post a record profit last season of £125M? I'm sure the Club are happy with Klopps dealings on that basis.

{Ed002's Note - That money is long gone.}

41.) 24 Apr 2019
23 Apr 2019 23:46:07
Jaysus lads give the man a break, all he is doing is staying the facts. as he always does for us!

All the gin in the world couldn't help you with these lots ed! What are you on tonight? My missus is having a shortcross I think it while I'm on bushmills.

42.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 08:09:51
Wait, what have I done 😓.

43.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 08:44:33
, Jurgens just been caught sneaking an extra slice of bacon in the Melwood Canteen. The Devil himself.

44.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 10:19:35
O yeah Klopp. As nice as he does seem.
Remember these transfers?
Van Dijk: paid way more because of his tapping up.
Grujic: Lied to his parents en WP comittee about game time. Keita: Paid to much
Firmino: Paid to much
Fekir: something else fishy.
And he lied to Mignolet/ Karius about nr1 spot last year.

There's undoubtedly more.

45.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 10:26:22
"Ed give us the facts"

*Ed Proceeds to lay out everything he knows which is collectively more than all of us on this site*

"No not those facts just the ones I want to hear and that's not what my mums, best friends, uncles maybe lawyer told me"

{Ed001's Note - spot on mate. That is exactly what people want.}

46.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 10:49:27
Alvarez. How did klopp pay too much for firmino exactly? Considering he was already at the club.

And regarding mignolet and karius. Both were given plenty of chances and failed to deliver.

I've no problem with your other views but 2 senseless points made there.

47.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 12:44:23
No need for that response Ed I clearly said you know more than me I don’t dispute that at all. Nor do I dispute that you are correct in what you say.
Nor do I know anything about Chelsea’s transfer ban but the fact they have one tells me they have done plenty wrong.
I would also realistically assume that the people charged with investigating such things would have privy to more information than both you and I combined.
Therefore it’s realistic to assume that Chelsea are guilty of more (or worse) infractions than Liverpool. No?

{Ed002's Note - No, Chelsea are not guilty of worse infranctions than Liverpool. Why do you not think that I know anything about it?}

48.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 13:00:51

Oops Firmino, my bad :-D

Regarding Karius and Mignolet, he said to both of them that they were the number 1 goalkeeper.

49.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 13:17:33
Alvarez yes and he gave them both plenty opportunity as number 1, he had no choice but to move on from them as they both failed to take their opportunity.

As for forgetting firmino was signed under rodgers, easy mistake to make as he only really performed once klopp came in. No worries mate.

50.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 13:35:49
Har_red92, it's the issue that he assured them both to be nr1. I'm with you that they didn't preform enough.
Klopp had done it before though, promising a lot to a young player, but not living up to it.

Oh well, like everything: It's not black/ white is it?

51.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 13:52:22
Wow, this old klopp bashing. like groundhog day. We all know eds2 views on Klopp, so why bother asking him repeatedly. zzzzz.

52.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 13:59:25
Ed02 im sorry on behalf of all these morons.

{Ed002's Note - Please don't worry about it.}

53.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 16:59:28
Ed002. Have you seen any positive changes as of late to the way Klopp and/ or the organization operate? What you have pointed out worries me as I would like to think LFC is a class organization and, if not, is aware of the issues and is taking steps to get there.


{Ed002's Note - It depends what you mean as of late. I don't really want to open this up again.}

54.) 24 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 19:31:32
agreed, saying we paid over the odds to secure a player who has been a massive success surely vindicates his decision? Also saying we ruined Karius career when he literally threw the ball at a real Madrid player 15 yards from goal in a champions league final and then done a promotional video about himself a few weeks later?

55.) 25 Apr 2019
24 Apr 2019 23:16:52
Dont think Klopp lied to Migs and Karius being No1 keeper, surely he was just joking, there isn't a good keeper between them, how many times did they both let in soft goals .

56.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 02:06:24
Alvarez I do get your point bud. But my argument is that even if he gives these fellas assurances and they don't perform then that is their problem. He gave them both that opportunity to claim number 1 spot, neither of them were deprived of that promise of opportunity, both failed so it would have been poor management to simply stick to that promise. Solanke another given promised playing time and he had his chances given to him too, his performances when played were the only reason klopp lost faith in him. Asides from grujic and solanke what other youngsters were signed by klopp with first team promises? I'm actually curious because surely more youngsters were signed in his reign I just can't think of any off the top of my head.

{Ed001's Note - Brewster.}

57.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 05:19:02
Ah never thought of him ED cheers. High hopes.

{Ed001's Note - welcome.}