1.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 01:03:45
I hate to say this as I have no real basis for it, but I can't see Rodgers being the loyal sort really.


2.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 01:53:04
how could any one know his thoughts


3.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 03:39:43
We don't know his thoughts BUT we have seen his actions and those don't show he is loyal because that would involve having integrity and taking responsibility which he knows NOTHING about based on his behavior


4.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 05:34:55
Yes, there is a buzz that FSG gave Rodgers the option to resign (or be sacked) even though he will still receive his full settlement for remaining contract. Rodgers will probably come out and say he had no option but to resign as a show of loyalty to his backroom staff.

Would love to see Ancellotti but I have my doubts about how successful Klopp would be.


5.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 06:33:20
Like what? An example of his lack of "loyalty" or "integrity" please? Ok it is fair that and if you don't believe him to be the right man to manage LFC but don't accuse of things there is little foundation of proof for!


6.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 08:49:33
How about the fact he had an affair, SouthportBob. Is that enough lack of loyalty for you?


7.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 09:34:23
It would be interesting to know if the decision to replace these guys was FSG or Rodgers. Maybe the replacements will give us a clue. If we get low profile yes men chances are they will be Rodgers choice. If we get a high profile guy with a big reputation and an ex player like Fowler in the other role then I suspect they will be FSG choices.


8.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 09:36:15
He's allowed his team to be sacked while he stays where he is. No loyalty there. Disclosing deatails of the Raheem negotiations to the press to force the issue: no integrity. I could go on.

Capello quit as soon as he heard the FA deposed his captain. That's loyalty and integrity. If I'm not trusted to make the decisions I have no place here.


9.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 09:42:51
Loyalty: because he left his wife who was with him when his playing career was over as soon as he got to the top.(and his teeth done!)

Integrity: sleeping with someone within the club

Actions speak louder than his rehearsed interviews


10.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 09:49:12
Will doubt clubs integrity and loyalty if they do not offer the man a proper chance - 5 years for me is a minimum for a proper chance when you have the limitation of resource available to you compared to the current top 2. Am not claiming I believe him to be some special manager but neither have been ALL of those that we have had since we last won the league (there was a very very special "player" of course in amongst that lot but no special managers). But then I also believe that a few of those were not afforded the chance! Let's not continually make the same mistakes and act like a team in bottom half (or worse - like Spurs!). We need to get behind our club look for consistency and I truly believe it will transform but not if we keep making managerial scapegoats due to a denial that we cannot compete at the financial resouce level when if you can't, be honest, and take a developmental approach with the knowledge it ain't going to happen overnight!


11.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 09:52:23
It's driving me crazy the lack of intellect where folk believe it all to be the fault and problem of one man! It's denial at its grandest. I wish it was just one man tbh it would then be easy but Ancellotti, Klopp or anyone else are not going to come in and transform without BEING AFFORDED DECENT TIME.

{Ed001's Note - most of the issues are down to one man though, that is why the best managers get paid millions. You seem to be in denial.}


12.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 09:57:42
Rogers won't resign so I think its best to just support him now and let's see how we do in the start of the season before jumping on his back.


13.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 10:08:59
I thin BR should get one last shot at it this coming season. When we were challenging city for the title you same people were singing his praises, the guy could do no wrong. Yes he's made some shocking decisions last season especially with his signings but I think he should be given this summer and next season to put it right with some quality signings like Milner who will actually make an impact (doesn't have to be a marquee signing just some honest players to get us back in to too 4) also this is a football page so I don't think talking about his private life should be aired on here, take it to Jeremy Kyle!! Get behind him!! YNWA


14.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 10:53:46
I have to say I was a br fan but I've now lost all trust and faith in him! I appreciate managers need time, I know we can't compete financially with top 4 and I to don't want to end up like spuds but last season was a mess!! Contract wrangles, players out of position, odd team selections, and for any team to lose 6-1 in the league to anyone says to me he's lost the dressing room! All that on top of a very poor record in the transfer market! Would you give him another £100 mill? This isn't about loyalty and integrity it's about doing your job well!
I know he had a good season when 2nd but I can now see he was fortunate to be able to build a good side around a truely brilliant footballer


15.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 11:20:51
Absolutely! Well said Welsh - you articulated my thoughts far better than I. To be honest it is because I started off not necessarily being sue he could nor he couldn't help turn the clubs fortunes around (help being the optimum word) but that he, like a host before him ought be given a chance.

Then he received a barrage of abuse from, like you say, a whole host of folk that (you may feel hypocritically) loved the guy just a year before. That made me get more defensive of him because I think these folk really do not come across to me as real fans.

Wholeheartedly agree also on point of private life, I know as little as everyone else that has commented about the what's the whys and the rest of his private position. There are 2 sides to every story in that one and if you don't know folk intimately then you need to back off!

My last point on the above debate is that again I beg to differ with Ed-1 in that if I look at Chelsea (despite having a very good manager, and City who have had reasonably decent ones) the main contributor to their success has been financial. I mean before the money where were they? Don't tell me they never had solid management before? Rafa (a decent manager) just gone to RM (decent money) he failed to bring us the one thing that really distinguishes a club from the rest and as the cream and that is the epitome of consistency known as the league title!

I know some would point to the CL title but it is a knockout comp and has its degree of fortune in winning it that really a wider longer competition doesn't (and let's be honest don't we know that first hand?!). Although I am happy for our wonderful club to win cups of course, this reds fan wants to be able to call us the best in the country and the league does that not a knock out comp!

{Ed001's Note - if it is only financial, why do Real Madrid not win everything every year, as they are the richest club in the world? Why do Man City not win the Prem every year as they spend the most? It doesn't matter if you have the money if you waste it through bad management.}


16.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 11:37:51
I never used the word ONLY once! But comparatively both those clubs you mention have domestic and European competition in the financial stakes (mainly Chelsea and Barcelona) but certainly not us!

That competition may top them, as they did this year but, except for the odd glitch and of course having the better management when you can compete relative well financially combines to bring the likes of Chelsea and Barce their success. But you cannot compare us financially with any of the 4 you or I have mentioned and thus the manager has a far tougher task. It pretty much a fact.

Jose is very good but would he have saved Burnley - I guess we will never know and it is a bit of an extreme point to make - but he'd not have won them the league!


17.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 13:22:49
The argument that we can't compete financially with the clubs in the current top 4 is rubbish. We spend enough money to compete. But we waste far more than anyone else. How many players did we buy last summer? Including some youth, it was over 10. Chelski and Arse bought a couple. We need to stop buying 'potential' and buy proven first team players. Milner is a step in the right direction. If he gets to play in his best position.

I think the squad is too big. Rodgers gets all excited about having 22 players to choose from and tries to be too clever. Stick with the same bunch of players and stop messing about with 15 different formations. Play players in their strongest positions. Paisley didn't put Kenny out on the wings to squeeze Paul Walsh in. That's what Rodgers does. Tries to squeeze his best players in and it makes the team unbalanced.

I wanted Rodgers to go but we're stuck with him now. I hope many of us not proven right by struggling in the new season. Liverpool is all that matters.


18.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 14:11:08
I may be wrong but aren't we 3rd biggest spenders in the league over the last 5 years. Please, please, please don't mention net spend it makes us a laughing stock. It feels more and more like the season before was a false dawn and this is our level minus Luis. When Utd sold Ronaldo they didn't crumble to the level we have! All the signs point to mismanagement unfortunately and it's quite telling that no players- Henderson aside- are throwing the weight behind Brendan.

You look at how Chelsea are run (yes they spent a lot to catch up with the big boy) and have to be impressed. The structure, the players they sign, the youth they are starting to bring through. Very sustainable and well managed. Now look at us. I supported Brendan for two years but this season has been a disaster. One or two games is excusable. But not once this season have I been thoroughly impressed. Surely you've all come across a bad manager in work then seen the difference a good manager has to performance and morale.


19.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 14:36:39
Look at the financials Dude you will see I am right. I think it is E&Y the accountants that publish the annual figures. Put simply we cannot compete on a "run-rate" basis it is a fact. (And that is the real telling factor). We are annually either 5th or 6th in the wage bill stakes and cannot afford to be first or second or even 4th it is simple. So we can only buy players who wages (not just transfer fee) we can afford. In this money grabbing world there are not many that are like Milner who (despite being expensive) is willing to take a pay cut to play regularly.


20.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 15:24:07
This hiding behind the wage bill and expenditure is really embarrassing now, we are becoming a complete laughing stock because of fans like you, Bob who think we are hard done by due to finances. We've had one of the highest expenditures on transfers over the last few years and you're still making excuses. A top manager would have used those finances to achieve something and get us competing, not lose 6-1 to Stoke and finish 6th in the league. The competition wasn't even that great this year except for Chelsea, it's not like we have Barca, Madrid and Bayern to contend with. Saying 5 years is what constitutes as "a chance" is complete dribble as well, you need to get with the times; modern football is a business and no manager is going to be given a whole 5 years to prove himself. 3 years is ample, Rodgers's has had every opportunity to achieve something, he was given money to spend, he had a decent squad, and instead all he's done is alienate players, make excuses, play games with Sterling, play players out of position and waste a load of money. The crux of the matter is there are far better managers out there who would see the club prosper under the current set of frameworks, so why should we stick with him?


21.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 15:29:17
No we are not mentioning net spend Bledd because there is no such thing when you talk about run-rate (ie the amount that goes out every month every year that hits the P&L account of the club - a P&L account that cannot sustain even close to the amount that Chelaea and/or Man City can).

if it was all as simple as transfer money to balance the books then I would not be suggesting that the manager has a harder task at our club but it is far less simplistic than that. Unfortunately it is nowadays a business first to certain owners, whilst an pastime game of "real money" monopoly for a few others that get their kicks from the game. The managers are effectively just the markets in the game!


22.) 06 Jun 2015
06 Jun 2015 15:35:01
So spending in excess of 200 million on 5th to 7th place players is acceptable to you southportbob?