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27 Sep 2018 10:45:09
I’ve been off this site for a little while, a month or two ago I realised my relationship with it was effecting how I viewed football in general, and Liverpool in particular, and I realised those things were more important to me. Last night, after our first loss of the season, I decided to have a look at how the site had reacted, what I saw inspired me to write this post.

First of all, a little about me, I didn’t grow up with football, I lived abroad a lot and went to schools where nobody really cared about it. I always said I supported Liverpool though; I was a child of the eighties and Liverpool were the dominant team, every kid said they supported Liverpool (for the record, I also liked Spurs because they’d been on Blue Peter once, I quickly got over that) . My football journey really started at Euro 96, the buzz around the country got me interested and in the two year period between that tournament and the World Cup in 98 I became obsessed, Fowler, Redknapp and McManaman were my early heroes.

The joy of football for me was never about live matches, I have no doubt that being present for certain occasions would have been incredible but, frankly, I was never in a position to attend the biggest games and watching Liverpool play Burnley up close never gripped me, I’d rather watch those games on TV with a beer, replays and commentary. What I loved was the wider world of the game, the relationships, the intrigue, the suspense, the debate. My friends and I would have endless conversations about who were the best players, what formations should be used, what transfers were the most successful.

I discovered this site in the 13/ 14 season and I thought it was the perfect forum for me, a community of people who were as invested in football and Liverpool as I was where there was always someone willing to discuss some aspect of the game or the club. The fact that the 13/ 14 season was so extraordinary only added to the experience, I have never enjoyed football as much as I did then.

13/ 14 was a golden time on this site but it wasn’t to last, the site turned sour the following year when Rodgers started to struggle, what I viewed as unfair criticism of the manager and players seeped onto the site and the experience became negative, I even found myself under attack for defending the team. There were certain posters who I had a real problem with, people like Redohio and Bobatron who represented everything bad about football fans, they were spiteful, tribal, odious creeps, I could never hate anyone the way they hated people working for the club they claimed to love.

Thankfully such extreme cases were the exception and most posters made valuable contributions to the site, over the years I’ve enjoyed getting to know the regulars; MKScouser who’d reliably argue that any youth player who could tie his shoe laces would be a world beater, Ron Keague with his strict set of morals and optimism, Harry with his ‘abstract’ viewpoints, Walter who’s negativity went so beyond reasonable criticism that I firmly believe he’s just trolling us, there are many more who’s views and insights I’ve really enjoyed reading.

Then there’s the Eds, 001 has a very different outlook on football than I but can only be respected for his breadth of knowledge of the game, I’ve loved debating with him as he’s always up for a good argument (despite the fact that I don’t think he’s ever admitted he’s wrong on any point) . On a personal note I’d also like to thank him for when he stamped out a particularly unpleasant incursion that had started on one of the other pages. Then we have Ed2, I’d love to know who you really are because your knowledge of transfers and the inner workings of the game is astonishing and the information you provide is one the site’s most valuable resources. You may be a teeny bit cantankerous but the treatment you receive for being honest is reprehensible and is indicative of the problems that have driven me away. Next up we have Ed25 who may just be the perfect football fan, good natured, insightful, respectful and invested in what makes football great, he’s the model that every fan should aspire to. Beyond that we have a number of Eds that I’m less familiar with but I know they contribute across the other pages and it’s their work that allows this site to operate, their efforts are hugely appreciated.

It’s because of the people above that I stuck around as long as I did but things have never been as good as they were in 13/ 14. Last night was the perfect example, we lost a really good game of football but, despite how incredible our start to the season has been, the knives were out as quick as a flash. ‘Our back-ups are awful’, ‘player X shouldn’t be at the club’, ‘the ref robbed us! ’. Every time a team wins, another loses, it’s an equal part of the game but losing seems to bring about a disproportionate amount of negativity. I’m not saying we should be happy to lose but it shouldn’t provoke such anger either. It’s not just the reaction to bad Liverpool results that’s the problem, it’s the lack of respect for other teams that brings me down. Man City and Guardiola put in, literally, the greatest English league run in history last year, but they haven't received an ounce of respect on this site for that incredible achievement. The revelry in our rivals misfortunes is equally distasteful, the glee that has been taking in Mourinho’s struggles, or Everton’s, is just totally repugnant. Then there’s how we talk about players of other teams, there’s no critical thought into their real merits or reasonable comparison with our own players, they’re just called sh*t.

My moment of epiphany happened after the Champions league final, I realised I really didn’t care that we’d lost, I may have even been satisfied that we had, because I couldn’t bare to face the smugness of certain posters if we’d won. I stuck around for the transfer window because this is still the best site in the world for transfer information, but I stopped visiting the site shortly after it closed. I want to enjoy watching Liverpool, I want to feel that exhilaration of winning games again and the thrill of chasing trophies, I’ve lost that in the last couple of years.

I’ll end up by saying thank you to those posters that the above doesn’t apply to, to those that have engaged with my posts either to agree or argue, I appreciated both equally. Thank you to the Eds for putting this site together, despite my concerns I’ve genuinely enjoyed being part of the community.

{Ed001's Note - believe me I have admitted being wrong many times.}



27 Sep 2018 11:10:26
Best post I’ve read on here in a long time, strange it doesn’t get the respect of being put on the main banter page which now seems to be full of “ how are you”, posts.
Such a pity as I think many more would enjoy a true fans ups and downs of not only his time as a fan but also his perception of the sites ups and downs.
Ed1, many don’t move off the Banter page, I think this warrants a run there as it’s a well written piece.
Well said Putney.

{Ed001's Note - respect? The only disrespect is coming from you disrespecting the choice I made. This is not banter. It would be disrespectful to it to put it on a banter page.}

27 Sep 2018 11:28:59
Saying hello and how are you is not banter, this is banter (friendly exchange of teasing remarks; repartee: ) as it questions the articles of other posters and the Eds,
you should get off the high horse every now and then mate. Peoples posts are not always trying to get you. My comment is this deserves a place on the banter page much more than some posts as it is banter.

{Ed001's Note - I never sat on any high horse nor did I assume you were trying to get me, nor do I really care if you are. My point was this was far from friendly with its nasty remarks about fans who actually care rather than someone who admits he doesn't give a toss about the team. Not sure how calling someone else the worst kind of fan is friendly or teasing, it is just nasty and bitchy and does not belong in banter.

Your comment was disrespectful. I don't tell you how to do your job, why do you think you have the right to tell me how to do mine?}

27 Sep 2018 11:51:30
I have the right to offer my opinion which is what I did, in the same way you give your opinion on here and I’m sure elsewhere in your life. That’s what banter is, opinions.

He had issues with people who made nasty comments about the club and players, you ban people for nasty comments or at the very least delete their posts and call them out, how is he different than you for calling out nasty posters?

Your site, your rules but to me this is more banter than the “hows you today stuff” but then that’s my opinion, “not disrespect mate, just opinion”.

{Ed001's Note - I am not arguing it is banter when I call people out for it am I? So what is your point, apart from being unable to understand what banter actually is?

Please tell me more about these imaginary rights you have to offer an opinion on here that don't actually exist. It is a privilege that we editors can remove or allow at our discretion, not a right.

As for disrespect, it was far more disrespectful than where the post was put, but you called that disrespectful, so make up your mind. The post was put on an LFC page, what is so lacking in respect in that? Just because you are a miserable bugger with no friends chatting to you on the banter page doesn't mean you have to insult everyone else on there. The banter page should be lighthearted chat, anything else should be on other pages really.}

27 Sep 2018 12:30:08
Mcoverb, thanks for your support but Ed1 was right to put it on this page.

Ed1, you're right that this was aimed at certain fans who I have a profound disagreement with but I have always cared about this team. it is specifically that I care more about the team than this site that I'm leaving. I know you and I have our differences, quite probably you straight up dislike me, but I do appreciate all the work you've done and your views. I'd appreciate it if you passed on my thanks to Ed2 and 25.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know you to like or dislike you Putney. I certainly wouldn't hold disagreements against you, my best mate was a United fan, do you think we agreed on much? But it never stopped us being best mates, so I am certainly not going to dislike you over any disagreement or like you over an agreement we have. Thinking about it, another case in point is Harry. I very rarely agree with him on anything, but as a person I like him, he is genuinely nice guy in person, I just have different views from him.

I will pass over your thanks, and apologies as I misread the bit about the CL final when reading it initially as you saying you didn't care. Personally I will miss the disagreements. I prefer the mix of yes and no, for and against views to stay as mixed as possible. You usually have a different viewpoint that I find interesting, even if I often disagree. Take care mate and best of luck with whatever you find yourself doing.}

27 Sep 2018 12:47:44
You are a class act Ed, I'm sure your job is difficult but you so often make it personnal, abusing me by calling me a miserable bugger make you feel good?

{Ed001's Note - abusing you? It was tongue in cheek for heaven's sake. I give up, I am done wasting my time on you. I could have done something far more useful, like pick the fluff from my belly button, instead of typing these replies to you. Next time I will stick to the fluff and wondering why it is blue when I was wearing a red top.}

27 Sep 2018 13:11:53
Thank you Ed, the same to you.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate and I am sure I will not be the only one who will miss you.}

12 Oct 2018 19:05:56
have to say Putney great read and total understand where you are coming from with some fans as they say the same things time and time agen, so that's where u probs get your views on them from instead of mixing up about our great team. there is way to much hatred in the world, without hating people any of us have never meet. Anyway lad a hope you find what u are looking for good luck in what u chose to do fella and a hope Liverpool can win the premier league this ye for us fans, all of us even the ones that like to post crap about every tiny stupid thing it may bring a little harmony on here next yr tho a very much doubt it will.
Respect from me YNWA fella.

13 Oct 2018 09:37:39
Hey Putney, if you’re still about. 🤝

Thanks for the namecheck. I find all contributors to the site interesting and when anyone decides to leave it is a disappointment.

It is not that infrequent that I find myself getting emotional about what is written on the site and sometimes my replies are tetchy or out of order. That’s usually a sign I need to take a few days away from posting. I’m not accusing you of being tetchy or out of order, but perhaps emotional and maybe a break would be useful?

This is a great site, there will be great times and less great times and that will largely reflect the fortunes of the club. My advice is to stick with it 👍.

BTW: Ed001 probably admits he’s been wrong more than any other poster on the site. I think we have to look at his posts as we do other posters. Not many people openly change their opinion on the site but I’ve seen Ed001 do it when it happens. It’s probably because we remember the ed’s posts more.

14 Oct 2018 14:54:05
It is a shame when someone feels the way Putney does, feeling their only option is to quit the site. Football seems to make some fans so emotional and overreacting to a bad result or a players bad performance.
Remember the old days watching in the pub etc, there was always a few loudmouths who called every player crap and what they would have done differently if they were manager, off the back of 1 bad result.

You simply have to rise above the keyboard warriors who type their ignorant rubbish. There are plenty of decent, knowledgeable posters on this site. I look forward to reading their opinions whether I agree or not. I then just ignore the morons who moan if Liverpool do not win 10-0 every week.
Hopefully in time Putneyred will return.

27 Sep 2018 08:58:50
It annoyed me the way Klopp berated Shaqiri in front of the cameras. It's not the first time he's done it to a player. That should be kept for the dressing room.



26 Sep 2018 19:18:00
Not taking the cup serious then.



25 Sep 2018 11:32:46
Players that should get a rest do not expect to start the league cup:

Alisson, VVD, Salah, Mane, Milner

Players that definitely should expect to start:

Shaqiri, Sturridge, Fabhino, Keita, Mignolet

Players who would hope to start:
Solanke, Origi, Clyne, Moreno

Thoughts?



23 Sep 2018 05:27:24
So who would you like to see get a game at the cup? I would love a mix of youngersters and first team players!

Mignolet
Camacho/ Gomez/ Matip/ Moreno
Fabinho
Milner Keita
Salah Solanke Shaqiri

I belive Klopp will try to go for any kind of silverware this season, so I belive he won't trow just young and unexpirienced team.



22 Sep 2018 17:04:55
Hi Ed. I would really appreciate a response regarding Fabinho i was extremely excited about this signing as im not the biggest hendo fan. But im just flabbergasted as to why he didn't start or even come on against a really poor southampton side. Is he just not up to it and a duff buy. What is his role, squad or starter at the moment he's neither.

{Ed001's Note - just be patient and try supporting the players that are in the team that are playing well.}



19 Sep 2018 08:38:08
Anyone know what was up with Salah right after Bobby got the winner. seemed to throw a water bottle in angry. I suspect it was just frustration at his own performance and relief that his mistake didn't cost us 3 points.



18 Sep 2018 22:59:14
I have just watched the highlights of the game. One thing I did notice was Salah didn't celebrate the winner at all instead he just threw his drinks bottle into the ground like a petulant kid. Understand he would be disappointed with his performance and his gift for their equaliser but would have thought he would have been at least pleased when Bobby scored!

{Ed001's Note - not true. The camera went to him after he had celebrated.}



31 Aug 2018 05:07:41
LFC fixtures September / October
September 15 - Spurs away
September 18 -PSG home
September 22 - Southampton home
September 25 - Chelsea Away
September 29- Chelsea Home
October 3 - Napoli away

An few people wanted Real and Barcelona in their group. What a shame.
Do we have enough to sustain these matches without dropping too many points?
No! Our front three will have to play all those matches and score goals!



15 Sep 2018 20:09:16
Very high chance we drop points for the Premiership. just have to wait and see.

25 Aug 2018 19:24:50
Maybe controversial - I don't think the team have really clicked yet. Even against West Ham it should've been far more and they wasted many opportunities. Against Crystal Palace and in this Brighton game there have been many chances spurned, easy ones too - keita v CP and Mané today as examples. Obviously great to have three from three, not an overreaction, just saying they don't *quite* look like they're clicking in attack yet.



29 Aug 2018 22:45:29
It’s called winning dirty and the sooner and more often we do it the better. I’d hate to count how many times over the years I’ve watched Liverpool (Hunt, Lawler, Yeats, Smith etc) score the winner in the last 10 minutes of the game. Grinding out 3 points is not something to complain about.

 


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