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22 Oct 2015 22:28:14
Gonna put my two pennies worth in. Should have been 2-0 down easily, defending at times as shocking as ever. Very narrow and a distinct lack of urgency and penetration, playing 2 number 10's simply does not work.
Sakho for the armband in Hendos absence for me, took that game by the scruff of the neck.
Seeing that Skrtel is the scapegoat as ever, he did nothing wrong because he had nothing to do.
We had chances to win it, don't forget that and look at it from both perspectives.
Simply unacceptable, couple of players were shocking yet getting praised, don't get it!
Not going to lose any sleep after it, but we need width and coutinho must play as a lone number 10 with quality ahead of him and 2 holding midfield players.
Note to self and many others, klopp is a football manager not a magician.
1.) 22 Oct 2015 23:06:52
have to disagree with youon skertal, skertal was bad for the 1st goal, he got caught out of position and he should be winning long balls up to the striker its that simple, so no he is not a scape goat he is just not good enough and i think he is our weak link in the team and the defence because i think our other players don't trust him and get nervouse when he is playing, in our last game not tonights skertal made so many mistakes against spurs, he was getting skinned most of the game, i would just like to see him be dropped and lovren put in just to see if i'm right or wrong, if i'm wrong i will admit it, but we can't be any worse by dropping him or resting him, i agree with you on sakho and couthino, but ithink you are expecting too much too soon and as you say klopp is a football manager, what you don't say is he is a very good football manager who is using some one else;s team and players and when he get his own players in i think he will show you just how good he is at his job because he has not done too bad before in his other managerial roles at other clubs.
2.) 22 Oct 2015 23:12:33
I'm not starting a witch hunt - look at their Goal - why was Skrtel 2 yards behind the rest of the defensive line?
Klopps going to have to deal with a few issues - Coutinho is not firing as yet and Milner looks worse than average - neither are bad so let's give Klopp time to sort this out!
3.) 23 Oct 2015 01:52:31
Skrtel has been pants for three years so tonight is just another validation of how aweful he is. No news ther.
4.) 23 Oct 2015 01:54:32
Agree with Welsh Kop Sakho for vice-captain
In fact I'd rest Milner and make him captain next game vs Southampton.
I'd like us to do away with the 4-3-2-1 formation as it doesn't get enuff penetration in the final third, I'd love to see us try a diamond with Studge and Benteke up front.
In the meantime let's serenade our Man of the Match with a song to the tune (Agadoo do do)
MAM MA DO DO DO
His names Sakho he's a brute
MAM MA DO DO DO
He's a ****ing unit too
To the left, To the right he gives Strikers such a fright (Lukaku)
To the left, To the right THEY'LL BE NO GOALS SCORED TONIGHT
(There is also a dance to this)
Would love to see this sung on the Kop
HE DESERVES IT.
5.) 23 Oct 2015 05:15:33
So the goal was nothing to do with clyne being the wrong side of him man, in the penalty area!
Definitely skrtels fault. Pppffftttt.
And I'd love to see one example of skrtel looking nervous from last night. He wasn't put under any pressure to be nervous. Liverpool can play badly, concede a goal and it not be skrtels fault sometimes too.
{Ed001's Note - while I agree Clyne was the wrong side and he should have been screaming at Skrtel to come across and make the challenge, the point is it was Skrtel's man, so it was also his fault for losing him. Both players were badly at fault, the usual lack of communication from Skittles, compounded by Clyne's lack of awareness, poor positioning and his own lack of communication. For me, the main blame is defo Clyne's, but Skrtel should have done better too.}
10 Oct 2015 17:19:25
Anyone have have any thoughts on Sassulo striker Dominico Berardi? Heard lots of him but never actually seen him play a full 90 mins.
Also how's young Tielemans Anderlecht getting on?
These are genuine questions not rumours or wondering if we will sign them
1.) 10 Oct 2015 18:13:55
I've watched Tielemans a couple of times, particularly against Arsenal in the UCL. What a player, what a talent! Still so young but plays with so much maturity. He's energetic, courageous and a very good passer of the ball. He's skilled as well. If there's a player that plays similarly, it is Ilkay Gundogan.
I've never watched Berardi but he's a 'wonderkid', he plays as a winger/striker. I hear Juventus have a buyback clause.
2.) 10 Oct 2015 18:45:59
Berardi is a fm15 wonderkid alright. Yeah he had a co-ownership with Juventus which all had to be sorted this summer. So sasasulo were allowed sign him but Juventus do have a buy back deal. So effectively a loan.They obviously felt he wasnt ready for their first team. can't see him playing for anyone other than juve in the future.
Tielemens looks to be a great player. Technically great and as mentioned very mature for his age. Klopp has previously spoken very highly of him so he would be someone worth keepin an eye on. As a summer move could well happen.
{Ed002's Note - Berardi you are correct about - Juventus got more than €10M and an option to buy him back next summer - which means any move elsewhere would need Juventus to be bought off in addition to any transfer fee. As for Tielemans, he has attracted long-term interest from Chelsea with Atletico Madrid, Arsenal, Juventus, Napoli, Barcelona and Marseille all showing an interest in the past 9 months. Chelsea have actively been speaking with his club since January 2014 but would need to send him on loan for, I imagine, at least a year or more. Atletico spoke with Anderlecht this summer and the player liked the idea of a move to Madrid but nothing could be resolved for a move this past summer. The problem with a move to England is that he is certainly not ready to step right in to the first team at many of the more senior clubs. If he accepts that and a loan, then a move is possible.}
3.) 10 Oct 2015 19:18:21
Cheers everyone, appreciated
04 Oct 2015 08:05:12
Regardless of the potential new manager saga, first and foremost let's hope we do the business today. If Brendan has lost the changing room, I want these players to take some responsibility today, play for pride, the fans and most importantly the shirt. This isn't just any football game, this is so much more.
If it's to be Brendans last game I hope he gets a decent send off and a good performance. There is not one reason in the world to make me want to lose this or any game
Brendan it's been emotional, sign out with pride pal
1.) 04 Oct 2015 08:35:23
Class post, let's hope we do the bitters.
2.) 04 Oct 2015 09:20:49
I haven't been on for a few days, could this really be Brendan's last game? I got the impression the heat was off a little??
3.) 04 Oct 2015 09:40:07
Nobody actually knows pal, it's all speculation at the moment. Last 3 games I've been to, Brendan has lost the crowd and seemingly the players.
If FSG don't act now and quick then we're in big trouble. Nothing actually released from the club though, so don't be surprised if he stays
4.) 04 Oct 2015 09:41:54
Pip - use the search function for Macca's last post.
5.) 04 Oct 2015 10:16:32
If you put in the normal link,then put /maccaliverpoolrumours.php it takes you to the old macca rumours page
6.) 04 Oct 2015 10:21:04
Thanks for the reply Welsh, cheers Ron sounds like a plan. Regardless of what happens to Rodgers I hope we spank these bitters today!!!!! I love a derby!!! YNWA!
7.) 04 Oct 2015 11:48:39
Thanks Bob
03 Oct 2015 10:43:55
Regardless of who comes in, let's just hope they can tactically get things right. We're crying out for 4 at the back and in some manor width. Hypothetical question if anyone fancies it, what would you do tactically? I'd kinda set up 442 with coutinho and milner on each wing, can and Henderson through the middle, sturridge and benteke up top, moreno sakho clyne Gomez back 4 with bogdan in goal.
Come Jan I'd be rid of skrtel or lovren, toure, enrique, allen, llallana or firminho and mignolet.
I'd recall Ilori and markovich, prioritise a new goalkeeper, centre back, creative or defensive midfielder and a top class left sided winger. Then just go all out for top 4 which is still massively achievable
1.) 03 Oct 2015 12:14:01
Anything that has a strike partnership and coutinho behind. Probably easiest with a diamond (Eg. lucas, hendo, milner, couts.) and then Sturridge up top with one of Ings, Benteke (good player, still don't know if they'll strike up a partnership) or i'd be quite interested to see how a Sturridge-Firmino strike duo looks.
Moreno, Clyne, Sakho and i hope whoever comes in can breathe new life into Lovren's career because his head is mince but he was a good defender and probably would be again for another team.
2.) 03 Oct 2015 12:28:47
I was going to agree with this until I saw get rid of firmino
3.) 03 Oct 2015 13:07:54
Not because he's poor, more unnecessary if you also had lallana and coutinho on the books.
I won't disagree that a diamond formation works, but a player like Benteke thrives of crosses. If the full backs are providing said crosses then great, but from what I've seen thus far (at the ground) this isn't happening and we're screaming for width beyond the full backs.
My favourite formation by a country mile in 4231 but with sturridge and benteke playing it would be very difficult to accommodate. However I'd love to be proved wrong as I always would if it brought success
02 Sep 2015 15:17:24
Right so from what I gather (and some agree with) this is the general feeling about Liverpool right now.
1. Owners need to go - kinda agree their philosophies etc are baffling at time
2. We've just loaned out our best centre back - you know the guy who's never kicked a ball in the premier league
3. All remaining centre backs at the club are no good to put it politely - hard to argue with but surely some of the blame must go to the way we coach them
4. Lucas all of a sudden has been considered our best/ most vital player
5. We need to sell everyone
6. The start we've made has been a disaster- we lost one game
7. Rodgers must go and be replaced by klopp - definitely agree
To sum it up it's pretty great to be a Liverpool fan right now. Hundreds of millions for mediocrity, do we perhaps accept were just not actually that good or still believe it's 1989 because I'm somewhat confused. I'm thirty years old, can never really recall us being great in the transfer market nor have I looked at the squad and said, 'yes certainly best in this league'
I'd love to know how we can fix the club, does everyone go and start all over again spending another 500 million whilst Gary Monk takes charge. I'd love some sensible feedback
1.) 02 Sep 2015 15:46:10
Get in a quality manager would appear to be a good start. At the moment we are punching way below our weight due to Ron Queeg's mate.
2.) 02 Sep 2015 15:49:45
30 years old welshkop? then yes as an older man, i can in fact confirm you will never have seen liverpool fc have a shrewd, carefully considered transfer window.
manager after manager has completely squandered millions by and large. several huge exceptions of course- especially but not always by rafa in the day. with awful decisions and policies filtered down from the very top year after year after year.
your hunch and several of your points are correct old son.
3.) 02 Sep 2015 15:58:51
Bin Sky, scrap the Premier League and any clubs that want to go off to play in a European League let them, football highlights on a Sat night or club streaming only, reduce ridiculous wages and admission prices, introduce safe standing and pay on the day for these areas.
If you think this sounds like a return to the 1970's, I'd say look at Germany and how it can be done.
{Ed002's Note - It is a return to the 50s without television. When the clubs split I expect four German side to go. These sort of ideas would cripple a lot of clubs.}
4.) 02 Sep 2015 16:07:36
1. Disagree, the owners have brought stability, ground capacity increase, marketing improved, money provided for transfers, top fees recouped on S and S. Low nett spend, less debt.
2.Neutral, Rodgers said Ilori was the future, also promised him game time, sends him on loan with option given to villa to buy. Lose - lose situation for Rodgers here.
3.Disagree, Sakho is class, Ilori possibly, Gomez potential, Toure experienced. 3 years and no solid defence, says it all about the coaching.
4.Neutral, in some games Lucas should be the first name on teamsheet.
5.Neutral, some would say a bigger disaster would result in a blessing, Rodgers out, Klopp in asap. 3-0 loss to hammers at Anfield with tough away games and Europa to come, going to be a long season.
7.Agree
{Ed002's Note - You are miles away on item 1. And this obsession with Klopp is beginning to get embarrassing.}
5.) 02 Sep 2015 16:36:56
As I said before our main transfer problem is not that we don't buy qualiy players but that we sell our best players. Suarez, Alonso, Macherano, Sterling. When we sold Torres he was our best player even though he then faded away. Hard to keep a good level when your best players leave every summer. Next year it will be Coutinho.
6.) 02 Sep 2015 17:22:04
Great post Juicer. Couple that with Jeremy Corbyn as the Labour leader to win the next election and who knows we could end up with a happier society. Bring back the 70's.
7.) 02 Sep 2015 17:45:11
dom - there was no "transfer window" 30 years ago so you must also have never seen LFC have a carefully considered transfer window.
8.) 02 Sep 2015 20:24:16
Corbyn will never win an election. Luckily the are enough sensible people left in the UK to stop that ever happening. In fact i will go so far to say he won't even make leader.
9.) 02 Sep 2015 20:25:24
Ed I was being sarcastic in using the name klopp, if it was going to happen it would be done already.
I'm really going to have to question how anyone comes to the conclusion that sakho is class however. Terry was class, Ferdinand, Adams, vidic, carra. Best of the 4 we have but far from class. Not going to bother arguing as to why, I've watched him live 30 odd times, class doesn't come to mind.
Toure is experienced correct, however wouldn't have him in my 5 a side team. Every time he goes near the ball you have a heart attack, much in the lovren/ skrtel style.
I don't want to come on here to bemoan about our players, like everyone I'm frustrated. I have no answers, but evidentally our owners don't either, financially they have been fantastic but it's not in the right places.
Rafa with 300 million, I kinda think we would be a nailed on top 4 team as we once were
10.) 02 Sep 2015 22:33:16
Love it that everyone disagrees with Ron Keague even though what he said is an actual fact! If you like Rodgers then everything you say is wrong!! Even when it's right!! Lol!
17 Jul 2015 07:46:37
Shoot me down if you like but I genuinely believe there is more to come. And to be honest I for one would be rather disappointed if we didn't persue kovacic, additionally I can see us signing a left back
10 Jul 2015 13:35:14
The list of unproven success stories in the premier league is never ending, if you're good enough there's enough said
10 Jul 2015 10:42:55
We should do but there's been nothing mentioned on this site. Shame really top quality player. I'd have him and tielemans in a flash, been following the pair since coming accross them on football manager
07 Jul 2015 15:57:30
We hardly put the ball in the box for the following reasons
A. We didn't have anyway capable of getting on the end of them
B. Our wide players and full backs were not capable of putting a decent cross in and rarely beat the first man
C. If you watch Liverpool matches we rarely go out wide, full backs rarely overlap the winger to give that option.
All that together you wouldn't put crossesin the box. However with clyne and moreno, coutinho firmino and milner providing width, Henderson is no mug when it comes to crossing, benteke provides the perfect target man. Also as a player who wins most headers and holds the ball up well, the advannced midfielders should have a field day. This is going to change our style of play and I have such a good feeling about it. My biggest concern is our defensive frailties but that's another conversation
03 Jul 2015 10:11:04
Guys you can't not agree with the Ed on this he's talking a vast amount of sense. Zenden is a great coach, I was rather hoping for a top class goalkeeping coach however
28 Oct 2015 08:42:01
Not surprised at all about Bentekes injury, he's another sicknote unfortunately which we all knew pre forking out 30 odd million quid.
As awful as Origi is/has been, I think it's important for him to play Tonight for his confidence and development. Ibe and Firminio should start also without question and play for a starting place come Saturday, not being negative but apart from 3/4 players you might argue most positions are up for grabs at the moment.
Time to shine me thinks.
26 Oct 2015 13:34:46
Gonna have to disagree Ron, under Rafa zonal marking quite frequently cost us goals and it was well publicized and very often criticized.
Less having a world class winger and a decent back up striker, zonal Marking cost us big time mate. Very often our players looked like lost sheep defending a set piece in the box. I remember it all too well pal.
25 Oct 2015 11:56:00
Or he could be recalling Ilori who he once tauted and the other being Markovic. I don't think what you're saying isn't true or that my theory is correct, however both would make sense.
Regardless of what anyone says there must be some funds available, and of course we may sell a player or 4. Sodd xmas, it'll soon be January.
23 Oct 2015 05:15:33
So the goal was nothing to do with clyne being the wrong side of him man, in the penalty area!
Definitely skrtels fault. Pppffftttt.
And I'd love to see one example of skrtel looking nervous from last night. He wasn't put under any pressure to be nervous. Liverpool can play badly, concede a goal and it not be skrtels fault sometimes too.
{Ed001's Note - while I agree Clyne was the wrong side and he should have been screaming at Skrtel to come across and make the challenge, the point is it was Skrtel's man, so it was also his fault for losing him. Both players were badly at fault, the usual lack of communication from Skittles, compounded by Clyne's lack of awareness, poor positioning and his own lack of communication. For me, the main blame is defo Clyne's, but Skrtel should have done better too.}
21 Oct 2015 15:58:11
Coutinho at his best was playing through the middle in an advanced role. He had 3 players ahead of him who were full of movement and pace, coutinho had all the ability in the world to find them. He wasn't expected to track the full backs to the edge of his own box as he has done recently playing very regularly as a winger for us.
To lose him would be yet another disaster for us, he needs playing in a number 10 role with quality ahead of him. Additionally he needs protection behind him as he got from Henderson and Gerrard, with the extra bit of quality that Gerrard could offer in the quarter back role.