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22 Jul 2018 12:01:34
I have just spoken with somebody who's informed me that Lucas Vasquez of Real Madrid will be signing a deal with New Balance in the coming weeks and will be staying with Real Madrid.

I had seen people speaking on the site with regards to us holding interest, which I believe until recently was true however for this window he will remain a Real Nadir's player.

I have also been told that after signing Mane to a deal earlier this year Mane, his agent and New Balance representatives will be meeting in New York this weekend to discuss the outlines of Mane having his own New Balance in-game football silhouette which would be available as a public release.

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1.) 22 Jul 2018 12:09:27
Real Nadir, well done Tom.


2.) 22 Jul 2018 21:20:38
I couldn’t see the point of signing Vazquez he’s a very ordinary footballer and not one iota better than anyone already at the club. Bench warmer at Madrid is where he should be.


 

 

 

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20 Feb 2018 21:34:36
Recently there was a game in the NBA between the Denver Nuggets and Oklahoma City Thunder. Denver were playing the game at home and won the game by hitting a 3 at the buzzer.

As the crowd are going crazy, a nuggets fan steps on the court and screams in the face of an okc player, prompting the player to push the fan out of his way. Everyone starts going crazy and the player is escorted off the floor into the back.

The next day in the media, everybody was going mad a fan was allowed on the court and that the player has every right to be able to do what was deemed necessary to protect himself. Not that the fan was going to attack him but how is the player to know otherwise? He should never be in a position where he is confronted face to face with a fan from the opposing team.

I believe the fan has now received a lifetime ban and the nuggets were fined substantially by the NBA. The player was not punished.

I understand that aguero has struck somebody and that is assault and subsequently should be warned of how to act and react in certain situations however it is not a situation that he should of ever been placed in.

People calling for aguero's head, saying that he is a role model, on TV etc. What about the gentleman who soar on him? Assuming he has kids is he not a role model? Is his behaviour not in the wrong? What about all th fans invading the pitch? They are on TV, do they not have a standard to hold to?

Once he is put in a decision where he is confronted by an opposition fan - rules are out of the window at that point. If he is attacked physically he has a right to protect himself.

If nobody has ever heard of 'The malice in the palace' I suggest you look it up. All of a sudden the issue of aguero protecting himself is the smaller picture in one of which he should never of been put in the position he was in.

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1.) 20 Feb 2018 22:10:55
Should probably consider what happened to Monica Seles too.


2.) 20 Feb 2018 23:10:07
Looking to gain wisdom from how things are done in the US is not the way to go.


3.) 20 Feb 2018 23:59:13
Denver Nuggets sounds like an Urban Dictionary entry to me, what a crap name!


4.) 21 Feb 2018 01:42:11
Totally concur with Tomsbakery. You don't stop being a self respecting individual becÄ…use you defend yourself, wherever it may be.

Aguero defended himself and got a bit angry and wanted to hit the fella.

Id do the same.

This IS the role model our kids need.

Stand up to bullies and attack-minded fools.


5.) 21 Feb 2018 02:45:34
Denver/ rocky mountains was a huge gold mining area hence the name nuggets.


6.) 21 Feb 2018 11:11:24
If you go back 15 years, you ll find most of the cricket games the crowd invading the pitch at the end surrounding the players and I have never seen a single player slapping or punching a fan. If your issues is about the fan invading the pitch then the authorities are at fault for bringing such situation. At no point a player is supposed to slap a fan. The fans boo, abuse and make all sorts of noise from the stands and have you ever seen a player loosing his temper and running into the crowd to take a revenge? The FA is a complete joke and they themselves have no clue on the matter.


7.) 21 Feb 2018 13:30:18
Op, sorry but you are wrong. I watch the NBA and they screwed up big time and so did the FA here re: Aguero. The NBA player should NEVER have struck the fan NO MATTER what. Once you do that, you lose all credibility. Saying that since the NBA did not punish the player then Aguero should not be punished, is total hogwash. Why? Both incidents and all actors involved should be punished. The fan should be banned in both cases and the players should be punished for contributing to such a scuffle in both cases. A pro sports player is called to a much higher standard and is taght to avoid such situations at all costs cos in the end, you will never be right for reacting to a clueless fran. That is the issue here and anyone trying to muddie the waters is doing a huge disservice to this debate.


 

 

12 Jan 2017 13:16:06
I don't think that we played particularly bad last night, I just feel that the team selected sent a message of we'd be happy with a draw.

The midfield 3 in my eyes was the problem as there wasn't enough creativity. I feel like Gini and Can still haven't found out how to play together and although Lucas had a reasonably good game, playing him alongside the other two, there just isn't enough going forward. Especially with Bobby and Lallana out wide.

I feel like we may have been better suited playing Lallana alongside either Gini or Can and giving one of the young lads a chance on the wing. Obviously it does sound like captain hindsight, but i just thought i'd throw my 2 cents in there.

On another note, if Juve do have an interest in Can, although he is still growing and develop him I feel it would be foolish to get rid of him. Granted he doesn't always play to the standard we expect from him, but he's still learning a lot about the game. I feel that the fans at times are a little too hard on him. I think that he's still tying to find his best role/ position in midfield and we need to be patient and remember that he is still a young lad.

Thanks to all the ED's for the hard work put in on the site as well. Hope you all had a good new year.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained about Can - please read the posts. Juventus have two well defined targets for that role.}


1.) 12 Jan 2017 13:51:31
Agree with your comments, Tom and as a Can fan, he didn`t have a good game and hasn`t done for a while. This could be cos he`s played the most minutes during this rigorous period or just having a slump in form or both. Was he the only one who had a bad game? Absolutely not. But he may just need a breather cos to be fair, he`s been a much better player than he was last season and he can score goals as well.


2.) 12 Jan 2017 14:35:54
Teams have find away to stop us just part thr bus


3.) 12 Jan 2017 22:51:57
way too many nice passes, but no cutting edge, they broke with pace and craft, which we should have done, we looked a bit slow, and that could have been sorted with a couple of changes, we had 3/ 4 players out of sorts .


 

 

25 May 2016 14:07:34
I am from Huddersfield and occasionally head down to watch games with a friend of mine who's a season ticket holder. He goes to home and away games pretty much religiously.

When they first brought Chillwell in he mentioned a young lad they'd got on loan who was only young, but needed, as Davidson (the starting lb at the time) was shockingly bad.

He only played 8 games for Huddersfield before he was recalled, I saw him play twice, my friend 7 games and said he's the best player town have had talent wise in a very long time and is adamant that he will start for England later on in his career if he continues to be able to play and develop.

Going forward he was the driving force for them from what I saw. Good with the ball at his feet, can pick out a pass, likes to play one-twos, pacey and very, very direct. In terms of position, he still probably needs some work, however he's already got the intangibles you can't teach. He looks very, very promising.

Personally, if we brought him in I would be very happy and I'm sure it wouldn't take too long for his natural quality and ability to show through.

His style of play is for sure suited to the PL.

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1.) 25 May 2016 15:02:57
Tomsbakery, i have watched him a few times for Huddersfield too and as well as looking good going forward I always thought his positional sense when defending was very good, albeit not against premiership players. When he was recalled he left a big gap in the Huddersfield team that they weren't able to fill!
If he does come to us then i would be quietly confident that he can become a regular.
When watching him he used to remind me a bit of Finnan (that will please ED01).


2.) 25 May 2016 15:28:36
I agree with the Finnan comparison, which fairs well at such a young age.

The reason for me bringing up position as i maybe only saw him make 2/ 3 mistakes and they were by being slightly behind play, either playing opposing player (s) onside or due to bombing forward and therefore not being in a position to get back. However that being said, he looked a fantastic player for certain and with some tweaks and further higher level experience, I feel could be a real player wherever he ends up playing his football. Hopefully Liverpool.


 

 

 

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22 Jul 2018 12:09:27
Real Nadir, well done Tom.

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08 Dec 2020 15:22:27
Ed001, I agree. I just hope that people don't stop at the applause and think the job is done. As you've outlined, change and reform is a long process that takes time and energy and it something that needs to be stuck at to yield results.

I would doubt it too, however I think in the overall context its important to be aware that individuals don't always understand what it is they're doing, why they're doing it, or what it means. A lot of people don't even understand why they think they way they think or believe the things they do.

I agree, however I think the UAE is different in the sense of they're working on amending laws that are in legislature to bring about needed change, rather than a societal/ cultural change that is a lot more difficult to navigate and more abstract, as everyone thinks and believes different things rather than being pro or anti a certain law.

May I add that I've enjoyed this and found it refreshing to be able to discuss sensitive topics and actually have a discussion with someone rather than some sort of shouting/ insults match, the likes of which that take place on twitter instead of actual conversation.

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{Ed001's Note - unfortunately, while everyone agrees nurses need better pay, for example, there are very few people in a position to actually go beyond applause, especially at the moment. That is why it is important that those that are in a position to do more, such as footballers, do keep making their point.

Footballers at every club are being educated on what is going on mate. They had it all explained at length and then it was voted on last season. This season they are continuing with efforts to educate them. I believe it is spearheaded by Kick It Out, but I might be wrong on that.

You would be surprised at how much societal and cultural change has had to happen here. That is why it has been a slow process, because they have to keep people onside. Some of the changes were not well received initially. Now it is much easier because people are enjoying the benefits of the previous changes. Now you have a parliament that has to, by law, have at least 50% women in it, when at the start of the process that thought of a woman in it would have been anathema to many.

I too have enjoyed it, it is always interesting to get a fresh viewpoint.}


 

 

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08 Dec 2020 15:00:37
Ed001, don't NHS deserve more than everyone patting themselves on the back thinking they've done such a great thing by applauding? Hence my point of its just signalling. Why don't we go about initiating actual change? (Improved pay, less working hours etc) . Is it because people don't actually care enough but want to appear like they do to others? I think that could be true for a lot of people.

I don't expect anything from them other than to do their job and play football. If they want to use their platform to promote their beliefs and ideas that's great, but my point from the beginning is if everybody just kneeled, would it achieve anything? You said it yourself, racism has been around from the dawn of time and will continue to be, so what can we do to tackle this. Kneeling might be a start, but thinking that's enough is itself part of the problem. If people want change, they have to be committed in time and effort, not just through forms of visual signals.

I agree that some people booing don't understand what they're actually booing, in the same way that some people kneeling don't understand why they're actually kneeling. These are complex issues that require education and time and effort and people unfortunately aren't willing to do that.

I don't think it's great myself (I don't have Twitter) but I think it's necessity. As much as people abuse freedom, they also abuse power which leads too far worse consequences - all we have to do is look at places like China and NK as an example.

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{Ed001's Note - yes but that is a separate issue from people taking time out of their day to thank them for what they have done.

Nobody has said or has suggested it is enough. It is the start of a conversation. That's it. You have to start somewhere.

I very much doubt that a single player or official is not aware of why they are kneeling, they are fully aware of what it is about.

Yes and those places only change by people making steps to change them, such as taking a knee to start the ball rolling. Revolution doesn't begin on its own, it is a long, slow process. Sometimes it doesn't even take a revolution. For instance the UAE, which is often accused of all sorts, but they have been moving over to a freer and more accepting society for a long time. They are just doing it gradually through legal change. It is a step by step process, but it is there for all to see if they bothered to look. There is no necessity for twitter at all, quite the opposite. There are plenty of places for morons to spout their mouths off without giving them a global platform to do so.}


 

 

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08 Dec 2020 14:19:00
Ed001, I apologise if that wasn't the case, I wanted to make aware that I think it's a positive discussing what individuals are doing off of their own accord to make actual positive differences within communities and hopefully influencing others to do the same. What did clapping for the NHS achieve? I see taking a knee the in the same bracket, appearing to be doing good but in reality a gesture of insignificance beyond the visual.

Would you still take issue with the voicing of displeasure if it were done through speech and not through booing? You seem to take issue with the booing as much as their beliefs, to which I'm trying to say if they did it through another form of expression would that be a more acceptable way for them to express themselves?

You implied you were against Hitler being able to give speeches because they're filled with what you deem as hate (to which I agree it is hateful speech. ) My point is, who decides what and what isn't hate speech? What you deem hateful might be significantly different to what I deem hateful, so who sets the boundaries? If it was Hitler setting the boundaries of what people can and can not say, it would be extremely worrying, hence why I'm suggesting people should be able to express themselves freely (excluding call to action) and why I don't have an issue with anybody taking the knee or booing, regardless of if I personally think they're right or wrong.

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{Ed001's Note - clapping for the NHS was only meant to be a thank you and to let them know that people were grateful for all they were doing. Surely that was achieved? You seem to think that these things have to achieve quantifiable results, rather than just being one step on a bloody long road. Racism has existed since mankind began, it is not going to be ended in our lifetime's no matter what footballers do. At least they are doing something, for years they have been criticised for doing nothing while earning huge sums. Now you are criticising them for doing something because you have decided it is insignificant. If it makes a difference to even one person then it is not insignificant. Good on them. I just don't understand what you expect from them? They are finally taking a stand (well knee) for something they believe in, they are starting a conversation about it. Each positive step should be applauded, not derided because it hasn't achieved what you think it should.

Would I still take issue? You can read the posts to see the answer. It is a pointless question. The issue is that those booing don't even have a clue what they are actually booing. If they were telling people what they objected to, then it could be pointed out that it is nothing to do with anything they are complaining about.

Your final sentence is just describing Twatter and that is not a world I want to live in. You might think that is great but no thanks, not for me. People simply can't be trusted with freedom as they abuse it. Yes, there is potentially a problem with too little freedom coming as a result, but that is why we have laws to protect people and the chance to vote for those whose beliefs match our own to create those laws. Whether it works or not is a different matter and utterly unrelated to this subject of whether a racist booing someone showing support for anti-racism is acceptable or not.}


 

 

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08 Dec 2020 12:30:07
Ed001, maybe it is offensive to suggest that and that isn't my intention, however is it not fair to suggest that the buck doesn't just stop there? Change is a difficult thing to come about and I fear that the taking a knee doesn't cut it as an action for change and again, is nothing more than a gesture of good will, inclusive of wanting to look good and involved themselves.

I don't agree with the booing, but in the same breath how can I support only one side expressing their views? Booing isn't an action, isn't a call to action, its a form of speech. It's an absolute blessing that we're able to express ourselves freely and that should be upheld regardless of if individuals like/ dislike, agree/ disagree.

They were counter-protesting. They were not physically stopping anybody from doing anything. They were expressing their own beliefs, just as the players on the pitch were doing. I don't think it's a case of hiding behind anything, I think it's individuals using their individual rights to be able to project their opinions and feelings.

I agree that you don't have to post anything you don't want to on this webpage, if you deem it to be racist or violate policy then as a private domain then you don't have to post. You also don't have to be supportive of anybody's beliefs. However I'm sure there are individuals who aren't supportive of your views either, which further lends itself to the importance of all individuals being able to express themselves, no matter how you, I, or anybody else feels about it.

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{Ed001's Note - who are you to say the players stop there? Do you know that for a fact none of them has any other involvement in trying to make change happen? I think you will find that Trent Alexander-Arnold certainly does more, I am sure quite a few others do. You sound like those who can be found on every single social media thread talking about what Rashford has done. There are always those accusing him of simply doing it for PR.

Booing is not a form of speech, it is a way of blocking speech. There is a huge difference. It is not about expressing their views, it is about shouting down other views. The boo is used to cover over another's speech. It is anti-speech. As such it is perfectly reasonable to be against it being used.

I am sorry but your final paragraph is flawed. That says we should be ok with the likes of Hitler and his hate speeches because it is just him expressing himself. That is just nonsense. That is never ok.}


 

 

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08 Dec 2020 12:02:03
Ed001, I didn't say it was virtue signalling to disagree with the booing, I said the taking a knee was virtue signalling. However, if you're supportive of an individuals right to knee then you should also support an individuals right to boo, regardless of if you agree or disagree with either side.

& If taking a knee isn't virtue signalling then what is it? I've yet to see anything that quantifiably measures any positive affect of tackling racial discrimination by individuals deciding to take a knee and post black squares on social media platforms.

Individuals engage in it because it makes them feel like they are part of the solution, without knowing what solution is being worked to achieve.

I agree with you that it's ignorance and that's the biggest issue with anything, people don't understand what they think/ believe, pick a side and become ideologically possessed with that affiliation and cease to think for or educate themselves.

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{Ed001's Note - that is so not what they are doing. That is offensive to suggest they are merely making a token gesture. They are making a point and starting a conversation, which quite clearly is having an effect or we wouldn't be discussing it now would we?

And why should I support an individual's right to boo something out of ignorance or bigotry? This bull**** free speech crap is utter nonsense. It is an easy get out for bigots to use to excuse their vileness. It is amazing the number of people who complain about their racist or other vile posts getting deleted on here and claiming they have a right to free speech. Utter bollox. Just because you think what you want to think or express what you want to express does not mean I have to be supportive of your right to express something that is trying to stop others from expressing their own beliefs. Because that was what the boos were doing. They were not 'freedom of expression', they were trying to stop other people from expressing their beliefs. To hide that behind freedom of speech is false.}


 

 





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