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18 Dec 2017 15:33:08
posted few weeks ago that roberston should be first choice left back. reaction was more or less i was talking nonsense, anyone change their minds now?

kkn

1.) 18 Dec 2017 15:39:12
IMO he hasn't done enough to take his place back from Robertson. He seems much improved and if he keeps up the hard work in training he will earn his place however I feel Moreno's pace gives us extra attacking threat.


2.) 18 Dec 2017 15:40:06
No. But he COULD be first choice if he keeps learning.


3.) 18 Dec 2017 15:40:10
No, Moreno should atill be first choice. Robertson is decent at the moment and I would like to see more of him but not ahead of a fully fit Moreno.


4.) 18 Dec 2017 15:52:52
whilst i am appreciate he is showing his quality now that he has got a run of games and hopefully will continue improving and keep our LB position in a good way.

I still believe that Moreno should still be our first choice left back.


5.) 18 Dec 2017 16:07:19
Its one game mate, and he didn't have a blinder did he he did what was expected of him, calm down a bit.


6.) 18 Dec 2017 16:17:07
One good game against a team we dominated. I think you should wait until he has a run of consistently good games before you say " I told you so "


7.) 18 Dec 2017 16:18:54
I agreed with you then. He's a better defender.


8.) 18 Dec 2017 16:35:28
To be frank, no, He desperately needs to work on crossing, he just seems to hit aimlessly and he seems to eager to bomb forward in my opinion.


9.) 18 Dec 2017 16:41:49
Moreno still offers more quality in the final third. I think that is more important to us than Robertson being marginally better defensively, especially with how much we rely on our wing backs to provide the width.

Robertson needs to improve his balls into the box significantly before he'll get my vote. He was good against Bournemouth though to be fair. He just needs to maintain that level against Arsenal on Friday. It'll be much harder to cope against Bellerin though. He has so much license to get forward in Arsenal's system. It is a game which could make or break Robbo to be honest.

{Ed025's Note - i have to disagree MK, i like my defenders priority to be solid in defence first and if they can add a bit of an attacking threat then thats fine mate..


10.) 18 Dec 2017 16:59:40
I think overall, Robertson has the potential to be an all round better full back than Moreno. Moreno has improved no doubt and I'm happy with him there currently but I don't feel he has as much potential to improve as Robertson has. I may be wrong though.


11.) 18 Dec 2017 17:00:15
This is Robbos chance to break into the team, morenos not exactly that far ahead of him ability wise if at all, so he needs to put in some proper performances to keep the spot.


12.) 18 Dec 2017 17:32:34
Prettty sure against Palace everyone was on here raving about his delivery into the box, he put some absolute corckers in that day so he obviously does have that ability, he needs to find consistency that’s for sure, presumably that’s more likely to happen if he played more? I think he deserves a decent shot at nailing down that position. Moreno has improved but it still doesn’t mean he’s good enough.


13.) 18 Dec 2017 18:27:59
triangle, i have watched him in many games not only a few games other than first team and indeed replays of scotland games and suggest you are judging his crossings from one game, i assure you his crossing is certainly not aimless, and defensive capability, well .


14.) 18 Dec 2017 18:33:51
Robbo had a good game vs B'mouth and should be praised for it. Let's leave it at that instead of saying he is/ could be better than Moreno. Moreno is the better attacking full back with better end product. Defensively, he has some more work to do. Robbo has to d a whole lot more to dislodge him and show he is better. We shall see.


15.) 18 Dec 2017 18:43:29
Moreno has to prove that he is better and more consistent than the worse version of himself over the past few seasons. Robbo just needs to not make a few mistakes to get fans favor.

Objectively, and besides vs Seville, Moreno has done very little wrong and Robbo has barely done anything better than Moreno other than to not make any brain explosions so far.


16.) 18 Dec 2017 18:15:49
Robbos the better defender and adds something going forward the right balance for me.


17.) 18 Dec 2017 19:34:57
Robertson was excellent yesterday non stop all game defending well joining the attack pressing we have another decent left back who can get better.


18.) 18 Dec 2017 19:37:01
I keep reading about how Moron-o offers so much going forward. Can anyone tell me when his last assist or goal was?

When was the last time he produced a key pass?
Some talk about him like he’s a Cafu / Roberto Carlos type. Hell, even a less “sexy name” like Denis Irwin was far, far better going forward!

He’s quick, yes. What else does he offer?
And that reverse tackle with his left foot from the right side justifies my nickname for him. How many fouls has he conceded making that challenge? Carol Vorderman would struggle with the maths on that!

I’m not saying Robertson is the answer, as he needs a lot more games to be judged, but Moron-o has had 3 seasons to prove he’s not what is required if we wish to challenge for the top 4 on a regular basis, let alone the title.

As Ed25 said (in relation to players getting into a rival’s team) which of the other “big six” teams does he get in to?

Would he replace Baines or Bertrand either? If the answer’s no, then we have a mid-table (at best) left back!


19.) 18 Dec 2017 20:08:55
Correct me if im wrong but doesn't moreno have like three assists in the CL alone. Plus stats ain't the way to show someone is having an effect on the game Jim bonda. Right now Moreno offers more going forward than Robertson. Now is the chance for robertson to prove himself whilst Moreno is out injured.


20.) 18 Dec 2017 21:13:43
Dilakh2

You’ve answered with a stat that he has 3 assists in the CL, then contradicted yourself by saying “stats ain’t the way to show someone is having an effect on the game”!

Having an attacking effect in games we win 7-nil also isn’t the way to judge a player, unless we’re beating a good quality side.

I’m judging him on his overall performances over a period of 3 1/ 2 seasons. I’m not denying he’s produced improved performances this season which, compared to some from previous seasons, isn’t that hard!

But I’m looking for someone to correct me and my opinion, which of the other “big 6” squads (let alone teams) does he get in to? And, given the choice, would anyone select Moron-o ahead of Bertrand or Baines?


21.) 18 Dec 2017 21:52:43
He’d get into Chelsea’s team ahead of Alonso all day long Jim. He’s probably better than Young too and Delph too. When you look at it most of the top teams are struggling for left backs.

{Ed025's Note - he has potential ings, but lets kid ourselves those three you mention are miles better than him mate..


22.) 18 Dec 2017 23:13:17
Alonso is better than Moreno mate.

Moreno is better than Young and Delph in my opinion though Ed025. That is hardly anything to tell the grand kids about though! "yeah i was a better left back than an average midfielder and a 33 year old right winger" 😂.


23.) 19 Dec 2017 05:00:38
Jim Bonda - you asked the question ‘Can anyone tell me when his last assist or goal was? ’ dilakh2 then answered your question perfectly reasonably with a valid answer and stated stats weren’t the way to judge a player. He wasn’t contradicting himself he was simply answering the question you asked,


24.) 18 Dec 2017 23:38:20
Ed25, I disagree. There is no way Delph (who's not a LB) is better than Moreno. He plays in a system where he is barely in any danger at City so that is not a bar to measure anyone in that team defensively. Delph is a poor LB but I don't blame him cos it is not his position.

As for Alonso, he is a worse defender than Moreno but in the Conte system, he is required to attack more so he is better at that than Moreno but defensively, no way. Moreno has become much better than Alonso.

{Ed025's Note - its a difficult one that brover because they play different positions, but as a football player i would put those two ahead of moreno mate but thats just my opinion..


25.) 19 Dec 2017 09:31:05
Oh, the selective memories. You were told you were talking nonsense because of the view itself. It was the absolute confidence that you were right on evidence of one good performance against poor competition, and one average performance against average competition. Barring a mad 15 minutes vs Seville went to bits (in fact he wasnt even the worst, just the most obvious), Moreno has been fairly good at the back and very good up top. He's earned his place, Robertson has yet to earn keeping his.

And Ed025 - I agree that a defender should be solid at the back first, but don't you think sending every cross to no-where when they roam forward is a defensive vulnerability in itself? He starts a counter attack almost every time he goes forward cause he hits the cross every time, even when there is no-one to receive it, rather than look to retain possession if there are no good options. It's hardly an obituary for him but if he wants the first team spot, he needs to cut that out.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point hjikle, he is not as good as moreno going forward but defending is the main priority for me mate, your attack and midfield will create enough chances to win any game so its prioritizing mate..


 

 

02 Dec 2017 21:10:40
Lets hope Roberston is our first choice now, so much going for him including his ability to put cracking balls into the box,

kkn

1.) 02 Dec 2017 22:11:54
KKN, Why would Robbo be first choice now? He only played cos Moreno got a blow and NOT cos he has been poor cos bar Sevilla, he has been very good for us. That may be your opinion BUT you will have to hope that Robbo can dislodge Moreno cos you can't lose your starting position cos you got a game off.


2.) 02 Dec 2017 23:11:01
BRover, simply because he is a better player.


3.) 02 Dec 2017 23:17:51
KKN i'm a fan of Robertston, and IMO he probably is a better player than Moreno. However I don't think he has shown enough to dislodge Moreno this season, except the game against Sevilla Moreno has largely impressed me especially his attitude to keep fighting for a starting place. He seems like a great guy to have in the dressing room too.


4.) 02 Dec 2017 23:23:40
I actually thought Robertson was pretty poor today. Not played in a while though so shouldn’t expect to much.


5.) 02 Dec 2017 23:28:27
Moreno suffers from fans' preconceived opinions on him that, fairly enough, have been built up over a couple seasons.

But objectively and forgetting previous seasons, moreno has been fine.


6.) 02 Dec 2017 23:36:53
He deserves a run of games to prove what he can do, he hasn't that, and until then judgement can't be made.


7.) 02 Dec 2017 23:47:01
Saw nothing special in Robertson's performance myself today to be honest. very average o the ball.

would love to see Moreno in this formation with gomez hehind. Would suit him to the ground.

Looks promising this formation. Suits a lot of our players.


8.) 03 Dec 2017 03:58:51
Robertson was Ok. Nothing special. Why do people look up to him as our saviour I will never know. Moreno will be back in the team for Spartak and deservedly so.


9.) 03 Dec 2017 03:12:58
"including his ability to put cracking balls into the box" haha.


10.) 03 Dec 2017 07:08:41
I watch Moreno live every other week or so when we have a home game, Going forward, his link up play has improved but defensive wise, there’s a reason why teams still target our left side.

As well a CB’s we need a quaulity LB too. IMO

Also, the Arsenal/ Man U game proved just how important it is to have a quality keeper.

Another great away result again lads!


11.) 03 Dec 2017 07:49:23
Moreno lovern and minolet are always 1 game from a meltdown what I mean by that is every time you start to get confidence in them there's a disaster of a game waiting to happen and it usually in big games e. g. spurs and seville twice.


12.) 03 Dec 2017 09:42:18
Robertson did not have much of a look in today, the team was not as confident in him as Moreno. He did not do much wrong yet he did not do anything special to win the spot, like the lad and he did well enough yesterday but he did not take his chance. TAA certainly keeps Gomes on his toes.


 

 

 

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18 Dec 2017 18:27:59
triangle, i have watched him in many games not only a few games other than first team and indeed replays of scotland games and suggest you are judging his crossings from one game, i assure you his crossing is certainly not aimless, and defensive capability, well .

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02 Dec 2017 23:11:01
BRover, simply because he is a better player.

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