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16 Jan 2018 09:56:46
I was wondering what people's opinions were of Jack Butland (preferably someone who's seen him play regularly)?

Second question, would you be happy to have him at Liverpool (I guess that largely ties in to any answer to the first) .

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1.) 16 Jan 2018 10:11:15
I Honestly don't think Jack Butland is the answer to anything, unless the question is which GK should we avoid?! I've seen him flap at crosses just like Mignolet, let's weak shots past him like Mignolet and because he is English will cost around 3.5 times more than what he is actually worth! And did i mention he is very injury prone for a GK? If we sign him a lot of people will get a shock of just how average he has become after all the injuries. I remember when we were signing Mignolet i wanted us to stay well clear, and Butland is in the same boat for me. We should go for a real nr.1 Handanovic, Alisson, even both Burnley keepers (Heaton and Pope) are better than Butland.


2.) 16 Jan 2018 10:16:35
Average goal keeper. I have no idea why he is rated so highly. He is weak on crosses, his handling is atrocious, his decision making is comical, and he always tries to make his saves look spectacular so he concedes too many corners and is never set to launch a quick break. He is the reason why Stoke are the worst team in Europe at conceding set pieces, because he constantly gives them away cheaply and then flaps at them afterwards. I'll admit that he is very good at making the flying saves, and he is also very vocal. His kicking is also decent to be fair. He is in no way, shape, or form an upgrade on Karius though.

If we are looking at keepers within the Premier league then i see it as this;

De Gea - world class. Best in the league. No chance.

Ederson - over rated. Good kicker and sweeper keeper but poor in other areas. No chance anyway.

Lloris - most complete keeper in the league, in that he is good at everything. However he makes a lot of mistakes. I'm not sure he would be realistic as PSG and Real Madrid might seriously consider him.

Courtois - best in the league in terms of handling and commanding his area, but has other weaknesses particularly on stopping low shots. Another Real Madrid might want.

Cech - best organiser in the league, but losing his agility and reflexes. No point in signing him unless it is to be as the experienced back up.

Pickford - decent young keeper, but very dodgy on crosses and too ambitious in his distribution at times which has cost Everton some cheap goals. Very vocal though. Everton to sell to us? No chance.

Pope - the best keeper in the league outside of Courtois, De Gea and Lloris. Great on crosses, vocal, great shot stopper, decent off his line although Burnley sit deep, good kicking. Unspectacular but very reliable and a good all rounder.

Hart, Forster, Foster etc - Hahahaha

Personally I'd look beyond the Premier League, but if we want a player from within it, i can't look past Nick Pope. Already lives in the North West, still young, and is a realistic target.


3.) 16 Jan 2018 10:26:21
Havent seen much of him at stoke but I went to a lot of games when he was at Birmingham and he looked as though he was destined for the top. Hope his injuries don't get in his way as he had a few now. I wouldn't mind him as I think he still maybe has potential to get even better.


4.) 16 Jan 2018 10:37:56
Pope will be second choice at Burnley when Heaton is back fit and no body has mentioned him. Made his England breakthrough. Good keeper. To be honest I would look at Handanovic (the younger) very good and attainable I would expect. Alisson seems to be flavor of the month at the moment. I am guessing PSG will fight hard for him.


5.) 16 Jan 2018 11:03:48
If Burnley drop Pope for Heaton, when he's back fit, Sean Dyche will severely drop in my estimation. Heaton is weak with crosses and his kicking. Don't get me wrong, Heaton was a good keeper but he's been injured a long time, and Pope has performed better than Heaton ever has in his career. Dyche doesn't strike me as a weak minded fool though, like most managers. If he thinks Pope is better, he will stick with him. He'd be mad not to after the season he's having. He was very good in his last year at Charlton as well, a club at which he actually played with Joe Gomez. Why on earth would you drop a younger, better player just to pander to one of your favourites? Dyche is better than that.


6.) 16 Jan 2018 11:44:36
Poor since his injury.

GKs often struggle to come back from long injury lay offs.
Rated him highly before injury.


 

 

02 Jan 2018 11:44:16
Hi eds happy new year to everyone involved on the site (one of my resolutions is to get more involved in the discussions on here as I've been a regular visitor for years now, just very very rarely post)

Was just wondering if anyone could shed some light on how Woodburn is being seen to be progressing this year. I'm hoping the reason he isn't playing much is just because the first team are playing well and we have much more depth this year going forward. Thank you greatly!

joe.l

{Ed001's Note - you have answered your own question. The strength in depth has increased which is why he is not featuring as much, though he did make the bench yesterday.}


1.) 02 Jan 2018 12:28:52
Ed 01 are they still looking at the option of loaning him out this window.

{Ed001's Note - if the right team is an option for him then yes.}


2.) 02 Jan 2018 12:30:52
Thanks for the swift reply. I’d figured as much just wondered if the reason could have been that he wasn’t progressing as much as hoped.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, he is still doing well, which is why he was the one on the bench, rather than someone else.}


3.) 02 Jan 2018 12:49:30
Got a bright future that lad, can't wait to see more of him. Speaking of youngsters, does anybody know how Ojo is getting on?


4.) 02 Jan 2018 13:17:31
That's the reason I asked Salah. Hopefully having a few more first team options now will be good though and will mean there is less pressure on him personally when he does play. Hopefully people don't expect him to play like Zidane as soon as he breaks into the team.


 

 

 

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11 Feb 2018 11:49:20
We didn't ‘lose out’ because we never tried to sign either player (as far as I know from what the eds have said on here)

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18 Jan 2018 15:16:00
Another thing to remember is that we've being playing without Lallana for the first half of the season. Where does he fit in if we sign another attacking midfield player? Has everyone forgotten how good he was for us last season.

I know he hasn't looked as sharp since the injury but that's effectively another player coming into the squad for the second half of the season.

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18 Jan 2018 13:09:55
Jordz, I understand your point mate but what if the players Klopp wants just aren’t available. That might be Lemar, might not be.

Point being if clubs are refusing to sell or asking for crazy money in order to sell to us then there isn’t really much we can do but wait.

Unless we go out and sign second, third or fourth choices. (But that doesn’t seem to be Klopp’s way of doing things - ed02 will remind me that salah definitely wasn’t first choice) . But you get my drift, id rather we waited until the right player became available. I don’t think ‘replacing’ coutinho right now is 100% necessary.

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18 Feb 2018 10:01:12
Almost completely agree. But if you think we’re good enough to get to the champions league final then we’re good enough to win it!
The final is just one game, anything can happen and we already know that on our day we can go toe to toe with anyone.

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20 Jan 2018 15:14:29
For me, GK: let’s see horn Karius does in the second half of the season. If we still feel we need an upgrade then I’m inclined to trust ed001’s judgement and say Alisson.

CB: again I’d quite like to see if someone steps up and can raise their game. Also if we do buy another CB we block Gomez’s path to playing in his preferred position. If Klopp decides he wants to partner Gomez and Van Dijk then perhaps we need a new right back in the summer? I don’t think Clyne has many, if any games left for us and I don’t think it’s fair to go into a season with TAA as our first choice.

CM: If Can stays and becomes more consistent then I don’t think we need another CM. Henderson, Can, Keita, AOC, Lallana and Wijnaldum should be enough first team players for 3 central midfield positions. (and that’s without Milner) . However if Can were to leave I’d go for a player like Ndidi who has a bit more focus on protecting the defence.

Forwards: this is where I think people will disagree with me. I don’t think we need another out and out striker if Sturridge and Ings leave. We have Firmino and Solanke. Mane is also very comfortable playing centrally and our front three are so fluid anyway it’s not like we need someone who knows how to stand in the classic 9 position and hold the ball up. If Mane played centrally we already have lallana and AOC that can play out wide and cover those positions.

I’d at argue we might, and I meant might, need a better quality of player to cover the wide positions. This is where I think Lemar becomes an attractive proposition as he can play LW or on the left of a central midfield three giving us more depth and quality in both positions.

So, to conclude: we may need a GK/ CB/ RB but before we all start demanding signings in those positions let’s see how we do in the next 5 months. I feel as though a central midfielder should be sought if Can decides to leave/ stays and doesn’t perform how we know he can consistently. And then some more quality like Lemar out wide would probably really help.

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02 Jan 2018 13:17:31
That's the reason I asked Salah. Hopefully having a few more first team options now will be good though and will mean there is less pressure on him personally when he does play. Hopefully people don't expect him to play like Zidane as soon as he breaks into the team.

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02 Jan 2018 12:30:52
Thanks for the swift reply. I’d figured as much just wondered if the reason could have been that he wasn’t progressing as much as hoped.

joe.l

{Ed001's Note - no mate, he is still doing well, which is why he was the one on the bench, rather than someone else.}