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25 Mar 2019 13:43:43
Hello eds. Not LFC related but would still like to hear your views on it ed2.

Cardiff are apparently refusing to honour the Sala transfer fee, supposedly claiming it's non-binding.
It was very much common cause that the deal was completed. Sala was travelling to (physically) join up with his new club when sad tragedy befell him.

So in what scenario would Cardiff be able to legally cop out of this one? Do they have a case here or they just clutching at straws? Is there a precedent for something like this.

I appreciate that without knowing the details of the contract we'd be speculating, but would still like your comments.
Thanks.

Xolani

{Ed002's Note - The submission for the TMS had been made but there were details to be sorted out with The FA. They had already insured the player and the player had an agreement to complete the transfer. As far as I am concerned Cardiff are already in breach of their contract and they are acting very distirbingly.}


1.) 25 Mar 2019 15:54:46
Surely there will be some kind of insurance in place to cover the fee Ed002? If yes then why all the fuss? If no then that sounds like a massive cock-up.

{Ed002's Note - There is a disparity in the insurance of what I understand to be less than £4M but future costs will go up. Clubs should not behave this way.}


2.) 25 Mar 2019 17:47:49
Thought so myself. Nothing short of disingenuous from Cardiff there.
Really hope it gets resolved quickly and Nantes get what they due.

Appreciate the thoughts ed.

{Ed002's Note - Nantes are not the only club being screwed.}


3.) 25 Mar 2019 17:50:21
Great reply edd and sport on about cardiff.

And the media who tries
to paint the french club as greedy and insensitive should sat the record straight.

I get the feeling a lot of dirty laundry may come to the surface on what takes place with transfer on this one.


4.) 25 Mar 2019 18:08:27
Agreed ed002, it all kind of stinks, Cardiff should stump up the cash!


5.) 25 Mar 2019 18:59:48
Hey Ed, is it his past clubs that are being screwed out if a percentage?

{Ed002's Note - GdB only.}


6.) 25 Mar 2019 19:57:16
Shocking behaviour, especially when you consider the amount they're paying out of pocket. Very unseemly given the tragic demise of both the player and the pilot.

I know the case has only just got underway, but surely they won't be allowed to do this Ed?

{Ed002's Note - There is no doubt that regardless of any discussions with FIFA there will be a full legal challenge. I have no idea how it will pan out.}


7.) 25 Mar 2019 21:10:54
Omg if Cardiff follow this course of action surely even their most die hard fans would have a good hard look at what they're supporting, as for the rest the footballing world they'd be outcasts, disgracefull.

{Ed002's Note - Let it run and see what happens.}


8.) 25 Mar 2019 23:04:59
For me it should have been sorted straight away with the whole football world rallying together to help out. Really disappointing. All clubs perfectly happy to fork up for a leaving gift for scudamore but no one is helping when utter tragedy strikes. Almost everything about football except the game itself is pathetic and horrendous almost a genuine disgrace to humanity.


9.) 25 Mar 2019 23:54:05
Massive lack of respect from Cardiff refusing to honour this deal. Pay up and let the man rest in peace. They already let the man down by allowing him to travel the channel in a light aircraft held together by duct tape when he should of been in first class. Poor man's family mustn't be able to grieve properly with all this nonsense going on.


 

 

17 Feb 2019 19:15:02
"{Ed001's Note - offload Matip or Lovren and bring in someone to fight for the place with Gomez and VVD. }"

Totally agree there ed. And this for me should be the logic with our main recruitment.
We have to sign players good enough to fight for and earn a starting position in the team, even if it means displacing the current starters, as long as it improves the side.

The mentality of a mere "back up" happy to play second fiddle and the equally annoying "where's he going to play" is why when VVD, Mane, Salah, Firmino and Robertson don't play there's suddenly a 80% drop in quality. Differential between "first" and "second, third" picks is Pacific ocean-ic.

I get that we probably may not get exact VVD quality, but you got get something not too far off, 40% at most.
Any higher and you in trouble.
Presently only Gomez comes satisfactorily near VVD. Rest are a long, LONG way off. As is Alisson/ Mignolet.

So I don't get why when we linked with a forward of "top" quality questions arise about where he'll play/ if he'll be happy to sit on the bench.
IF i. e that "top" quality is Werner/ Bailey/ Dybala/ Pepe/ Son, why couldn't he outperform any of Mane/ Firmino/ Salah and earn a starting place? Why couldn't they prove good enough and better for the team?

Sure, don't fix what's not broken. But you surely can (try to) improve it?
Or are we saying there's players guaranteed starting spots and that Klopp's ideas are cast in stone with no flexibility?

There's been occasions when Salah/ Mane/ Firmino weren't playing well and may of been benched, but for want of quality to replace them.

It's common knowledge amongst us that team is looking for a CB, rightly so. Many regard VVD and Gomez as top rank. I've seen many on here punting Koulibaly, De Ligt and Aldeweireld. All very good CBs. But so far no one questioning where, if signed, any of those 3 would play seeing as we already got 2 "class" CBs.

They probably figure that it's Gomez who'd make way/ be rotated more often.
Well I figure as well that if a top rank forward were to be signed, they may prove better than/ outperform the currents, or they may not. Or maybe all four could prove deserving of a start and Klopp may make a tweak or two.
Keep in mind as well that none of Mane, Firmino, Salah are "proper" centre forwards.
Origi and Sturridge could be deemed to be.

Sturridge was done by injuries. Fit and in his element, there's no better centre forward in the division. He WOULD have been a starter in this team. He may have been our own version of Aguero.
Kills me how unfortunate he's been with the injuries.

Many remember that season for Suarez brilliance, rightly. But for me Studge really stood out. Man was unreal. First time got a proper shot at his preferred role and troubled little by injuries, boy did he shine, and shine brightly he did.

What I'd give to have THAAT Sturridge in this team.

I think Klopp will look at a more traditional (starting) forward and then promote Brewster. Sturridge and Origi will leave.
Bobby will assume a sorta 2nd forward, perhaps more play making role. Salah I see reverting to the wide right forward he played mainly in maiden season. Mane will keep left.
Of course there be fluidity and interchanging.

Don't see any attacking mid. Depending on opposition and desired tactics, Fabinho, Keita and Chamberlain will probably be our regular midfield, especially against non-top 6 defensive fodder.
Wijnaldum/ Henderson may come in against the big boys.

Once Keita is fully up to speed and Ox back for and goring, I think we set. Mind you, there's Trent as well, who's seen in mid long term.

My worry is at both full backs. Moreno needs no discussing. Yeah sure Fabinho can "fill in" at RB. But is that enough? We need our best DM/ HM in his best position. In any case, would he be as good? As per ed01 suggestion with VVD and Gomez, I think we should go and buy a RB and LB who'll fight Trent and Robbo for a starting position.
How would that be bad for the team?

Sorry for the long post fellas.

Xolani

1.) 17 Feb 2019 21:03:16
You lost me at "Pacific Ocean-ic"


2.) 17 Feb 2019 21:19:17
I am hoping we can see adam Lewis Step up as the back up left back as he is well thought of at the club!

I agree on right back but I think we will get someone who can cover cb as well. Trent is obviously first choice but it Clyne will leave so have a space for someone to come in especially given the changes required for cb.


3.) 17 Feb 2019 21:57:53
Camacho will be good cover for right back, can see him breaking through next season.


4.) 18 Feb 2019 01:10:15
I don't think the issue people have is playing a CB, it's more who can we get and afford who is of the quality you speak off. As Ed002 has pointed out, we cannot go and spend vast amounts again without selling.


5.) 18 Feb 2019 08:29:03
Thing is Jonesred Camacho is a midfielder-winger, we don't want another Alberto Moreno on the right side do we .


6.) 19 Feb 2019 09:16:43
Good post. Maybe I'm on my own, but I would be happy to see VVD and Gomez starting pair with Matip as back up and the other slot available for a youngster to step up and fight. Maybe Matip won't be happy without being first choice, but that's where he's probably at for a top 6 club. He could get game time elsewhere, but not on his wages (I don't know what they are) .

We need to have paths for young players to have ambition. Why would a talented 16 year old sign for us if there are a nailed on 4 quality CB's in front of them for years? They'd surely know they're likely to be loaned out and then sold.


 

 

13 Feb 2019 19:08:05
I honestly don't get this thinking at all. Mane, Salah and Firmino are not unflappable. Liverpool's play/ style is not cast in stone. Competition, REAL competition and GENUINE depth are a must in any title aspiring team, more so at Liverpool where beyond Mane, Salah and Firmino there's nothing approaching even half of their quality.

Why assume that Werner wouldn't be good enough such that he wins a starting place over any of those 3? Or indeed induces a tweak or two in the system to take along with those 3 to the pitch same time?

We could be interested in Heung Min Son and folk be saying "but where's he going to play? ".
Many of these are the same people drooling over City's depth.

If Klopp's truly interested in Werner, then that tells he's looking for something different to vary our play. Same thinking with the Fekir interest. Likewise Brandt at the time.

If Klopp wants the player and the football club can make the deal happen, it's settled.

Xolani

1.) 13 Feb 2019 21:53:31
Totally agree mate fair enough maybe a world class player will demand to be a starter but Werner isn’t there yet .


2.) 13 Feb 2019 22:24:05
Thing is who’s going to want to come to us when them 3 are in the team, individually they are brilliant, together they are world class, very few people in world football would look at Liverpool’s front 3 and think they are going to force one out. Can’t compare to city really, our front 3 picks itself and is pretty much set in stone, city’s much less so, aguero is only ever a game away from being injured, Sterling is hardly irreplaceable etc.


3.) 13 Feb 2019 22:45:31
Mikey they can’t play every game mate firmino hasn’t been brilliant this season Werner would get plenty of games
Mane started the season on fire then had a wee dip and has come back into form Werner wuda got plenty of game during mane, s dip.


4.) 13 Feb 2019 22:55:28
Bobby Firmino wasn't world class when he joined but I think he has to be considered a world class player now. Remember, klopp is one of the best at improving players.


5.) 14 Feb 2019 06:03:20
Sorry lads and eds. Post was meant to be a reply to another post about Werner.

Spot on Adam.


6.) 14 Feb 2019 07:41:33
If the targeted player is keen then algoods. I think people are just playing devil's advocate a bit in recognizing that playing time is a realistic issue.


7.) 14 Feb 2019 16:04:31
Do people not consider Firmino as world class? Come on, that back heel at Bournemouth. He's a one of a kind 6 position player. He could probably play at CB he is that good.

{Ed025's Note - you need to stop all this putting liverpool players on a pedestal robbie you are making yourself look very foolish mate, bobby is a good player no doubt about it, but he has stank the house out this season in the main..


8.) 15 Feb 2019 09:07:11
Firmimo has been poor this season mate.


 

 

 

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13 May 2019 19:36:55
Think nothing. Desire nothing. Take the experience as it comes and just enjoy. PL? CL? Neither here nor there. Victory's victory. Just enjoy.

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25 Mar 2019 17:47:49
Thought so myself. Nothing short of disingenuous from Cardiff there.
Really hope it gets resolved quickly and Nantes get what they due.

Appreciate the thoughts ed.

Xolani

{Ed002's Note - Nantes are not the only club being screwed.}


 

 

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03 Mar 2019 13:36:11
Vakpa, not sure what you have in mind with "upgrade". Am going to assume you saying LFC don't need to add significant quality to their front line.

So if we were, hypothetically, to look to getting Heung Min Son you'd be opposed to that view eh? Cause our "front three" is so good that it cannot be improved huh? It's as good as it will ever be? It cannot be altered. It cannot be varied.
WOW!

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25 Feb 2019 15:57:59
Does it matter at all mate?
This is business end of it. We right in the mix, every chance to win this championship.

Not referring to you specifically, but I sometimes feel our fans' minds are all over the place, latching onto and consuming every piece crap talk/ info in the media space.

Just recently some fans had even dismissed the team as "rubbish", bemoaning how we'd "bottled it", a narrative emanating from and fuelled by the media.
It was City in December. Spurs followed and we had our mild turn.
They at it again with Spurs and and waiting with bated breath for to stick to us.

Sadly the many fickle of our fans get suckered into this nonsense and then project it onto the team.
It's THEY who are the "bottlers" here, not the team.
They been at it again since the game yesterday.

And the amount of abuse directed at Sturridge tells you all you need to know. What chance these are the same lot who abused Lucas, Hendo, Lovren?

Moaning at every little thing and always, ALWAYS (conveniently) blind to the bigger picture. Embarrassing stuff really.
How unreasonable would it be suggest that if the team wins the title, they'd have done it to a great extent IN SPITE OF, rather than because of, the fans?

What's needed right now is a single focus: supporting the team and seeing them over the finishing line. Nothing else. Doesn't matter how it's done so long as it's done.
Team's in the trenches, hoes and shovels in hand. Let's desist from behaviour that makes us a burden on the boys, please.

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24 Feb 2019 19:16:12
Maybe we did show too much respect, or maybe we simply were just not on it. Either, I'll take the point. Every little gain matters now.

Good post, btw. 👍.

Xolani

 

 





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