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08 Feb 2016 15:14:09
since FSG took control of the club over 5 years ago, they have slashed the wage bill, with the likes of Reina, Gerrard, Carragher, Torres, Kuyt, Maxi and Suarez all leaving to be replaced by much lower earners. I'd love to know the annual savings on the wage bill over this period, but it's clear to see that once that saving is offset against the sub-£25m transfer kitty FSG have provided every year, they haven't dug that deep into their own funds at all.
During the last 5 years, Liverpool's income has increased to stratospheric levels both from the increased TV money and from club-record sponsorship and commercial deals .
1.) 08 Feb 2016 23:35:47
And The team is now worth nothing. We have probably Coutinho who is worth around 30 mil.
Nobody would pay even 20 for anybody else imo.
We need a Klopp miracle, maybe get some German talent in.
2.) 08 Feb 2016 23:39:46
J, was your expectations that they was going to come into a club riddled with debt with zero guarantee of success and throw all of there previously earned money into it and have nothing left for the other businesses. It's like buying a car from a sales man. Your going to hear what you want from him buying the motor. When it all costs you money at a later date. He's looking for his next pound to be earnt.
They are business men looking to earn money from the purchase of the club. I have no doubt they craved success in their tenure and still do but for our reasons on top of their own financial gain.
Been said so much by the Ed's on this page. We're years behind others when we should of been doing what we are now when Moores had the club! He fleeced us. Hicks and Gillete were a shambles and FSG are looking to earn a decent profit from us with success along the way.
3.) 08 Feb 2016 23:45:45
Slashed the wage bill?
FY 2007, staff costs of £77.6M
FY 2008, staff costs of £89.7M
FY 2009, staff costs of £96.1M
FY 2010, staff costs of £114.3M
FY 2011, staff costs of £128.8M
FY 2012, staff costs of £109.2M (10 month FY)
FY 2013, staff costs of £130.8M
FY 2014, staff costs of £143.7M
I certainly notice a trend and it's not negative.
4.) 08 Feb 2016 23:57:27
Im not sure the wage bill is lower at all. Anyone with any figures?
5.) 09 Feb 2016 00:29:27
J, mate.
You do remember FSG owned the club when we bought Suarez, right? They didn't inherit him and his wages and then offloaded him to make a saving on the wage bill as your post would seem to imply.
In the current squad, Firmino, Benteke, Henderson, Sturridge and Milner are all reportedly on £100k or over basic wage. Not to mention that we have the biggest first team squad that I can remember us having. I'd say that offsets any wage savings made by previous high-earners leaving.
And BR spent £93m nett just in transfer fees in three years (loan fees, signing on fees, agent fees etc. would all have to be added on), so sub-£25m a year transfer kitty is also wrong.
I'm not going to even bother going into the whole part where they bought a club running at a massive ongoing loss.
6.) 09 Feb 2016 01:48:22
It's just another "fan" spewing nonsense at the owners that they completely made up just to sound smart. It's pathetic really. Do you moaners read nothing on the site? 1
Million pounds lost per week for the first 3 years? Is that not registering upstairs?
7.) 09 Feb 2016 02:12:11
So J, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the owners? I don't follow what you're trying say - maybe because I believe your figures, assumptions and reasoning are wide of the mark. Income may have gone up, but so too has the expenditure. It has been made apparent on this site on many occasions, just how much money is being spent and that quite a lot of it was unnecessary expenditure incurred to appease fans. The owners have not been thrifty at all - they have been wasteful, but at least you can't say they haven't been supportive.
8.) 09 Feb 2016 03:00:27
Ridiculous post based on nothing but assumptions. Show some numbers to back up your fantasy.
FSG are owners acting in the best interests of the club, which is trying to be profitable. Would have rather them did what happened to Malaga? Come in, spend loads of money on players, earn one year of champions league and then leave the club to rot?
So sick of the whining.
9.) 09 Feb 2016 04:05:31
if we start selling our players we have 100 million worth of players to sell not including coutinho, but including benteke.
10.) 09 Feb 2016 04:25:31
Happy to see other posters have debunked some of the patently false crap being slung at FSG.
I'm not the biggest fan of FSG, but all of these claims that they're sucking money out of LFC to subsidize the Redsox are total baloney.
Look, the ticket price rise was a huge mistake and they're already in the process of reviewing it and changing course. And, they literally just signed us Klopp a few months ago, the first truly world class manager we've had since Rafa.
It is one thing is insist that ticket price increases are pricing out segments of the traditional fan base-- a fair point-- but quite another to act like self-entitled ****s, making false claims about under-spending.
11.) 09 Feb 2016 07:45:37
Reina - pushed his way out
Carra - retired of his own accord
Suarez - it's been covered above
Gerrard - should have gone a year earlier
Torres - wanted out, is a shadow of his former self since and they reinvensted that 50 mil into Suarez and Carroll
High earners brought in since - benteke, Milner, firmino, Sturbridge, couts, ballotelli, hendo on I'm sure a much improved contract.
Truly embarrassing post.
12.) 09 Feb 2016 09:44:44
we have potentially alberto, allen, one of sakho skrtel or illori, one of benteke sturridge, enrique, balotelli, markovic, texeira/ coutinho (pretty sure one will go), mignolet or bodgan, moreno to sell that is a lot of players we either don't need or they won't stay. i still am not sure i have got all. FSG have invested in squad. and most of the players we still can sell at decent prices if we sell right. its not right so say its all miserable. we just have clear our squad which has just too many player and address three areas top class GK, Leader defender and a winger. we have players like gomez, origi, smith, kent, ojo, ibe, rossister, brannagan, canos, who can fill in places. its not all bad. if we can move our players at good prices we have enough to fund our required signings and knock off some debt. with tv revenue coming up i think players can be sold at good prices because lower clubs also get the money. its not hopeless but FSG need to be complete business oriented in summer. they should sell players first and then just by a class keeper, a defender and a winger. with firmino/ ings/ ibe/ one of sturridge or benteke we have enough strikers on our books. hell we don't even need a winger if markovic stays.
13.) 09 Feb 2016 00:14:15
I understand some of what your saying specially about previous owners and wile I think we could of done worst than FSG I think they could of done a lot better . Maybe things will be learnt regarding mistakes and edd002 has said changes have been made regarding scouting and transfer committee, my problem has been more this transfer committee thing and what we've spent and wasted and how they have been advised but iv gone on an on about that so I'm leaving that now . Ha . I hope the club and supporters can come out the other side of all this and look back one day and say that was were the club turned it fortunes around .
14.) 09 Feb 2016 12:38:03
You ignoring the posts pointing out with facts why your post made no sense?
15.) 09 Feb 2016 14:23:20
Well Red J as per Shane above are you just going to ignore the posts showing that yours is completely false about wages etc?
Or maybe you just keep clicking disagree to those posts.
16.) 09 Feb 2016 14:23:20
Well Red J as per Shane above are you just going to ignore the posts showing that yours is completely false about wages etc?
Or maybe you just keep clicking disagree to those posts.
17.) 09 Feb 2016 14:53:49
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would disagree with my post? It's literally data taken from the club's accounts posted to Companies House. It's public information that takes about 30 seconds to find via google.
18.) 09 Feb 2016 17:33:04
@RDL, the Agree / Disagree was a nice addition to the site.
Currently being ruined by trolling.
07 Feb 2016 17:30:56
What a player that Willian is . And what a difference a good goalkeeper can make .
1.) 07 Feb 2016 18:38:30
The thing with a top keeper i not just his shot stopping. The best keepers organise a defense well and communicate. You watch Cech, Neuer, Courtois, even Butland. They never stop bossing the defense. They can all set up a defense and definately a decent wall.
2.) 07 Feb 2016 18:52:35
Unfortunately with our keeper at the mo its like the blind leadin the blind with our back 4 absolutely rubbish.
3.) 07 Feb 2016 19:20:55
Top keeper? I'd be happier if we just got someone really Fat from the Kop to just stand between the sticks.
He'd save more than Migs anyway. I'm willing to put myself forward for the position.
4.) 07 Feb 2016 19:30:24
Last season, De Gea single handedly got Utd top four with his many MOTM perfs. Again today, he and Courtois were the reasons their teams didn't lose yet both defenses aren't the Great Wall of China either. A GK is the last line of defence and if he is a terrible as Mingo is then, we might as well not bother because whatever good the outfield players do, he will undo it like he did vs Sunderland and many other times this season.
{Ed023's Note - Just look at Southampton's form since Forster came back into the side}
07 Feb 2016 00:50:10
Top 8 biggest spending clubs in the last 5 years *
So, here's the Biggest spending clubs and trophies won by them in (counting the confirmed transfers of 15/ 16) :
1 - Manchester City €628.25M : 5 trophies - Premier League (2 times), FA Cup, Community Shield, League Cup
2 - Chelsea €609.85M : 5 trophies - Premier League, Champions league, Europa League, FA Cup, League Cup
3 - Manchester United €534.86M : 4 trophies - Premier League (2 times), 2 Community Shields
4 - Real Madrid €522.5M : 7 trophies - La Liga, Champions league, 2 CDRs, Supercopa de Espana, UEFA Super Cup, FIFA Club WC
5 - Barcelona €479M : 12 trophies - La Liga (3 times), 2 Champions leagues, 3 Supercopas de Espana, FIFA Club WC, UEFA Super Cup, 2 CDRs
6 - PSG €470.95M : 8 trophies - Ligue 1 (3 times), 2 Coupe de La Ligue, 2 Trophée des champions, Coupe de France
7 - Liverpool €437.94M : 1 trophy - League Cup (sorry)
8 - Juventus €400.83M : 6 trophies - Serie A (4 times), Supercoppa, Coppa Italia
Source : Checked every transfer window manually (Wikipedia, Transfermarkt. ) .
Don't no if it's 100% accurate but gives us an idea how bad are recruitment is .
1.) 07 Feb 2016 13:31:19
In the cases of most of them teams they are either dominant in a league with little or no competition (psg, Barcelona and Real Madrid) or they are already established winners. Man City being an exception but they are top of that list.
We have been playing catch up for many many years.
Besides it's not what you spend, it's how you spend it, you could easily argue man city have underperformed for example.
2.) 07 Feb 2016 13:38:22
What you can't argue is that Liverpool have definately under performed.
3.) 07 Feb 2016 13:46:33
That's my point mikey, are transfer dealings have been awful . And you say most are dominant in there leagues or with no competition but shouldn't we be challenging for the prem at least and getting in the top 4 most years?
4.) 07 Feb 2016 13:41:13
Mikey1985, you talk about being teams dominant in their leagues, that we've been playing catch up for many years but kind of counter it with a: besides, it's not what you spend, it's how you spend it. I am puzzled? I think that is exactly the point Red j is trying to make - that we have to spend whatever we got better.
06 Feb 2016 22:06:46
Edd001 do you think other clubs might look at what's going on at anfield and decide to make a stand at there club, our fans our doing what is needed to safeguard the future of our club for the next generation of fans, but the prices are a problem for the whole premier league, we are the dearest in Europe yet make more than any league on TVs rights, and our club was also 1 of the 7 to vote against the £30 tickets which was not a shock either . My season ticket has gone down but this is irrelevant to me because it won't stay like that long term .
{Ed001's Note - I hope so, I know Arsenal fans are extremely unhappy, I do think that is the next step the fans' groups have to take.
1.) 06 Feb 2016 22:28:27
People who disagree please write why . I'm interested in why someone would disagree with it . Give me your point of view .
2.) 07 Feb 2016 00:51:18
Its blasphemy bcos even when i go church the tithing is only 10% of my income according to bible. The season ticket cost more than that. Is Liverpool bigger than God?
3.) 07 Feb 2016 03:36:14
Imo it is not that people disagree with the protest meaning, more the manner in which it is done, 77 mins people left, what does that do? Other than produce a negative? In no way is anything positive derived from leaving early, i watched the game on a stream and the commentator stated sunderland had the advantage as liverpool had to face the kop in the 1st half and all i could think was that it was actually better as the stand would have people in it! Its noble that people protest but as someone said before for me not being there at kick off would have been better if you HAD to not be there for a portion of the game.
4.) 07 Feb 2016 04:27:35
I completely agree. No one is saying don't protest, but do it in a way that gets you your desired effect. These fans need to send a message to the board and owners, but they sending the wrong message to the fans, players and the entire football world. If they stop supporting the club it doesn't mean lfc would close down. There are a much more locals that are waiting for more tickets to become available and willing to pay the price.
{Ed001's Note - that's not true, shows how little you understand.}
06 Feb 2016 17:51:27
Brilliant show of support today with the walkout . And it will get bigger and bigger . Some people and even some fans really don't get what this club means to a lot of us fans . My grandad had a season ticket, my dads had one since before I was born . Iv had mine for many years. And my 8 year old daughter has started going now. She walked out today . This is about the future . About our kids and grandkids be able to go in the future . I live close to the ground and the fans live and breath there club but most can't go the match anymore and specially to take a couple of kids . Football is talked about morning noon and night . In work in the pub everywhere . Relationships have ended through fans following our club round the world . So to anyone who thinks this will blow over there very must mistaken . Take note Ian Ayre . FSG have done some good things for the club but the people they have running the club behind the scenes are sending us deeper and deeper into the oblivion . Changes needed and quick . And again well done to the walk out fans .
1.) 06 Feb 2016 18:00:33
Well said Red J
It's about doing it for Generations to come.
2.) 06 Feb 2016 18:01:04
Its 200 tickets in 6 games that are getting raised to £77. I agree that tickets are overpriced but I also believe it was an overreaction.
{Ed001's Note - again missing the point. It is boring that people are too lazy to actually take the time to find out the truth but then whine about other people who have taking a stand.}
3.) 06 Feb 2016 18:21:26
£77 is absolutely crazy. What kind of nut case pays that? I love Liverpool, but I'm not going to have my trousers pulled down to go and watch them. That money goes a long way, at that price, it's a "once a year" luxury for me.
Then factor in the boring football we were playing under Rodgers. I know love for a club should be unconditional, but that's an awful lot of money to pay to watch a team have 1 shot on target for 90 minutes and constant side-passing. That being said, if we are filling Anfield every week, then business is business, these guys are setting a price and people are paying it.
4.) 06 Feb 2016 18:31:12
I'm not whining, just believe its hypocritcal to pay to get in Anfield and then walk out with 13 mins left. Could have been done better.
{Ed001's Note - but you said it was an overreaction, that is whining. This has been coming for a long time, not just at Liverpool, but across the Prem. A stand needs to be taken.}
5.) 06 Feb 2016 18:35:09
In all honesty I don't all in all agree that the tickets in question are as much of a disgrave as others. What I will say is that I was honoured to see our fans stabding together and walking out together. It gebuibely made me wonder whether I am wrong, and that is precisely the point.
6.) 06 Feb 2016 18:46:59
I thought 'whining' was moaning over and over again about a subject. In my opinion said it was an overreaction, i agreed with it, but it should have been handled better. that's not 'whining'.
7.) 06 Feb 2016 19:21:40
People need to grasp the concept of inflation and increases in consumer index before deserting the team they support.
{Ed001's Note - or perhaps you should understand the fact that is more than covered by the increase in numbers of tickets, without even mentioning the huge new TV deal....}
10 Mar 2016 18:15:27
Flanagan isn't in the European named squad.
09 Mar 2016 00:27:33
He will never walk alone .
08 Mar 2016 09:40:04
Thoughts are with you and your family and in time you will smile and laugh thinkin about the good and funny times yous shared . YNWA.
02 Mar 2016 07:20:37
I think the sale of Suarez had a lot to do with the profits .
01 Mar 2016 16:09:22
I think most fans agree with a goalkeeper and a left back but I think most would keep Henderson . And I also think we've been a bit better with set pieces of late, not great but we're improving .