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21 Feb 2016 13:16:16
Ed002 thanks for the summary, I take from it expect possibly 1/ 2 additions but no drastic changes. In regards trimming the large senior squad would you be able to update us on interested parties in our players?
{Ed002's Note - I think there will be more than one or two. Right now there is interest in Markovic from Fenerbahce but Liverpool rejected their approach. There is interest in Yesil from Trabzonspor.}
1.) 21 Feb 2016 14:23:03
Hi ed, I was wondering how Ward has impressed since returning from Scotland? Do you know if he has done enough to put any meaningful pressure on mings or, as usual, did we fans get carried away by the talk of his potential?
Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - There is no doubt about his potential but it is hard for a goalkeeper to impress in training without any game time. The return from playing first tier football in Scotland was a mistake on behalf of Klopp.}
2.) 21 Feb 2016 22:02:17
I would also add bringing back ryan kent from Coventry was a mistake as was the signing of caulker and the 5yr deal given to mignolet. I fully expect danny ward to leave in the summer, he is at the age now where he should be number 1.
3.) 22 Feb 2016 01:03:55
But Ed first tier football in Scotland is no better than conference standard.
{Ed001's Note - that is simply not true.}
4.) 22 Feb 2016 11:06:32
Maybe Kent, although he went straight in at Exeter with the other return loan players, he didn't show himself well, just a bit head down and not seeking teammates out. Klopp having him amongst our training can improve him to his style and overall game. Coventry have played good football I'm 50:50 with this choice.
Ward. Well it's him or Bogdan as back up, so what's better for our club? Better for Ward was staying and playing, unsure why he never appeared in cup games? Can only think our inconsistent form in the EPL caused Klopp to see the cups more important for glory and inturn confidence. Migs is our no.1 (shudder) so he has to play. The 5 yr deal is the big mystery.
Maybe towards the end, after the cup final, in the league when it's clear no matter what happens we will finish anywhere between 6th-8th but still strong in the Euro cup, maybe then the odd game, sub appearance from Ward or Kent, Ilori etc.
5.) 22 Feb 2016 13:23:18
It would have been more beneficial to both players if they had been left where they were, at least they were getting regular football at those clubs and gaining valuable experience.
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29 Mar 2017 12:49:07
I will be doing the Yorkshire three peaks (24 miles of walking over Yorkshires tallest peaks) for Winstons wish, a charity that supports children going through bereavements within their family.
I'm hoping to raise £500 which will help fund the support phone lines for a day. if you can give a little it will be greatly appreciated.
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12 Feb 2017 20:40:25
The main difference between yesterday's performance and the rest of 2017 was it was pretty much our best 11 barring Lucas. Just shows how much we rely on our first 11 and struggle when someone has to swap in into the team. Depth next season will be key to our success so will be interesting to see who we target.
1.) 13 Feb 2017 05:08:28
Liverpool's lack of quality in depth is really irritating, but it's a hard problem to solve with haste. Fans expected Liverpool to go out in August and buy at least 12 new players to strengthen not only the first team but the squad. They then expected the depth to be fixed in January, which as the eds keep on stressing is not ideal for that month. Fans wanted part of the deficit in quality squad depth to be remedied in January but players typically don't leave their clubs during that month unless they are looking for more game time, not to play a role as competitive depth.
2.) 13 Feb 2017 09:28:16
We should never buy squad players only ones that improve the first team: creates depth and competition and gets the best out of everyone. I never really understood buying players for the 'squad' - what that means is your buying players not quite good enough for the first XI - what's the point of doing that?
3.) 13 Feb 2017 09:30:00
I think you have nailed the problems we have just had. We have a great first 11 that will compete with anyone. It is a very well balanced team.
The problem came when any needed replacing.
You have to do this like for like. Winger for winger. striker for striker. Can only plays when Hendo is injured or needs a rest. It upset the system too much.
We have a great foundation now to get in the players in the summer that can give us 2 options in every position. Mix of youth and new faces.
And we still have a lot to play for this year and I'm confident unlike previous managers. If we can finish strong and get close to winning the league this manager won't implode and ruin the team that got him there. He will add more quality to take us on a level.
4.) 13 Feb 2017 11:15:42
If you are well and truly aware players won't leave in Jan why not buy them in summer? We simply passed the windows without buying a left back and another winger / wide forward which has cost us what another real chance at the title.
5.) 13 Feb 2017 11:58:40
Maths the Jan transfer window is a joke and is only in existence because of Sky milking it (but that's a conversation for another day)
Alfie, Seano and Robin, I couldn't agree more we have brought players for the sake of it in the past and it's got us nowhere. In the summer we should look at a keeper to replace migs, a lb to replace moreno, and a first 11 cb to partner matip anything else should be dependent on sales or if someone comes up that improves the first 11 outside the priority positions.
6.) 13 Feb 2017 18:07:09
Harry, The Jan transfer window is a shambles and if football was as simple as you describe it, it wouldn't be as exciting and unpredictable as it is now. If it was that easy to get the player you want, why did conte get rejected when he wanted Bonucci, Ruddiger and then Coulibaly as CB only to opt for David Luiz in the summer? Also, why did no one in the top 6 sign players in Jan?
Cos no one will sell you their top player in Jan unless something crazy happened as in Suarez's case with Ajax where he threatened legal action against them to force a move to us or us panic-buying Carroll for stupid money.
Buying for buying sake makes no sense and we are in the best position to know that but hey I guess it's easy to moan cos that's always better than thinking and analyzing situations pragmatically (not referring to you personally, Harry) .
We now know the type of players we want cos we have a great first 11 as a blueprint. Stick to that in the summer and we go again next season hopefully, in the CL.
08 Feb 2017 11:38:35
I am going to defend the owners, have they made mistakes? Of course but to claim that they are unwilling to fund the team is crazy.
We have spent cash but its a case of using it correctly. If we spent 10 mil in january on a mid table quality player, would you guys be happy because at least we spent money.
January is a difficult window, teams are unwilling to sell or massivley inflate prices.
The team is struggling but we should only invest when it improves the team.
1.) 08 Feb 2017 12:12:50
People are really blindly giving owners the benefit just because of the argument that they saved LFC. They need to get their head around the fact only way to success is loads of money. In today's market and especially this league you would need to invest bare minimum 30 million and 100k per week to get a potentially good/ great player.
Then there is an argument we can only spend what we earn. it doesn't work like that. Who has ever earned success that way? No one
Thing with football is you spend, get success and the income follows. (more fans/ better global franchise/ better deals from partners)
The last argument of people especially Ed002 was that this klopphuss style of footy was not sustainable. Why is that?
Don't spurs play almost the same intensity as we do. They don't seem to tire as fast as us. Again it's just the fact they have players who can sustain that energy game on game while we are carrying passengers who just need one bad patch to just fall through.
{Ed002's Note - I told you from day one it was not sustainable and the reasons why - and what has happened in recent weeks - it has not been sustained. You obviously donm't understand FFP, you don't unbdertand the debts and I have no idea at all why you want to bring Spurs in to this.}
2.) 08 Feb 2017 12:46:14
Who had success with reasonable spending? Dortmund, Athletico, Leicester. Juventus have only spent more than £40m more than they've sold in any given window once since 2010 and usually it's closer to £20m. Benfica have mad something like £200m profit in the transfer market despite dominating the league for three years. So lots of teams have spent their way to success without chucking in £100m a window.
3.) 08 Feb 2017 12:50:27
Nav,
Spending what you don't have is what gets you in trouble. Football teams are no different. It may work short term but long term (look at leeds and portsmouth as examples) .
Players get tired that's why it isn't sustainable. And we have had less games this season compared to a season where we have european football.
And the owners did save us there is no escaping that. They ploughed money in to the club in the early years but we spent it incorrectly (caroll downing etc) . The owners now want some sort of sustainable club. You can't blame them for that.
4.) 08 Feb 2017 13:16:17
Epl is 1 of the most competitive league in world football . feel sry for the owners but that's the truth. We have got massive giants here who spend huge every season to compete for the title or just to finish in top 4 which makes difficult for us. They've been here 7 yrs only once we've have finished in top 4 and have won 1 carling cup in their reign that says everything.
5.) 08 Feb 2017 13:56:43
Exactly kopite7
There are teams no doubt around Europe who have done well within a budget. But that case is just not possible in EPL. And Ed I just included spurs in the mix just because their style of play is somewhat similar having all energy and all. Not to compare anything else.
6.) 08 Feb 2017 14:06:30
And hjikle for the club's you mentioned, firstly Leicester had I would say the stars lining up for them. They are back to normal now.
And the others are in somewhat in a less competitive league but again with awesome scouting departments. Do you genuinely believe our scouts can find gems?
Yes I am in awe of Dortmund and benfica or players like Renato sanchez (youth product), getting in aubemayang and dembele (early before their price sky rockets)
7.) 08 Feb 2017 14:07:14
Nav, parroting baseless talking points over and over again, doesn't make it true or do you have a problem with us living within our means? .
Ed02 has posted numerous times about the way FSG are running the club now based on the abject train wreck they found and who can blame them? Would you like H&G back? Didn't think so. Have they made mistakes? Absolutely and they should be held accountable which they have been. Have they made progress? Absolutely as well so to say that they are not backing the manager, is patently false. They dropped 100m plus for KK, 300m for BR for three years and are ready to back JK if he really wants a player like they did for mane, Wij, Matip (sign on fee and wages) as well as Alex Texeira when we went for him last Jan.
If Klopp doesn't want a player or thinks he's too expensive (Alex Tex), how are the owners to blame for that? And if we have won nothing since they came in then aren't the managers to blame for that or do the owners coach the players and pick tactics now? Nonsensical reasoning, really.
Now regarding the playing style, I don't think it is a fitness problem as such. I think it is an attitude problem in the way some of our players approach games vs lesser teams. Take the B'mouth game. We were on top of them at 3-1 w/ o conceding even a shot on target and then at 75mins, the players just took it easy and took the rest of the game off hence, we got beat. That attitude is the problem, IMO.
8.) 08 Feb 2017 15:01:12
Noah, I agree with most of your post, but if you look back on the silly points dropped, most of it comes back to Klopp, we were 3 1 up V B, mouth, but we still had way too many players bombing forward, when they scored their second goal and got back into the game big time, my point, is most top teams would have closed that game down, and how we still have Migs still in goal is beyond me, Klopp, I really rate, but he needs someone with him who knows how the premiership works, he makes mistakes every game now, and doesn't seem to know that you can bring on a sub at anytime during the game, we are not making any progress at the moment, oh yes , but next season .
9.) 08 Feb 2017 16:53:04
Nav - you're reply to me absolutely shoots itself in the foot. You've admitted completely the issue isn't what we've spent as what we've spent isn't the issue it's how we spent it. If you complain that our scouts don't make our spend as impactful as they should, i'd say it's hard to argue that point. But you're admitting that it's not the actual final value that matters, whilst insisting that it is.
You don't need to be in awe of clubs getting youth players like Sanchez through or getting in young players like Aube before their value rockets. You just have to be willing to have a bit of patience to find them - don't write off players because they have a rocky couple of months, don't 'protect' young players all the way into a wasted career incase an opportunity to play is too much pressure and don't pine for spending of stupid money on squad players when they should fit the bill!
You write off players like Can and Origi after the last month, you don't deserve an Aube and you'll never find one . You write off players like Ejaria or Ojo after failing vs Wolves/ Plymouth, you don't deserve a Sanchez. It is really that simple.
10.) 08 Feb 2017 18:40:56
Spot on Hijkle. what's the point of trying to find the next Auba or Kante, if you won't give them time to grow? Do we have a De Gea in Karius? Per those moaners who got on his back after a couple of mistakes, I guess we'll never know cos instead of backing him in his time of need, they took sides with a blinkered manc with an agenda and pushed him out of the team by forcing Klopp's hand, in favor of a right incompetent Migs and now he's back to costing us goals and points. Had Kante come here (from French second division football, by the way) and struggled a bit, these same fans would want him gone in a flash. Auba was a reject at AC Milan academy. Saint Etienne took a chance on him and he panned out great and now look at him. Bottom line is that if you can't take a chance on a player, you don't deserve the player you want him to be, period.
11.) 08 Feb 2017 19:57:51
You cannot compare Liverpool to other clubs on the money being spent. But we have spent enormous amounts in my opinion year in year out. The problem always has been mediocre managers and their mediocre choices who were never going to win a tea cup let alone the title.
Kenny splashed what 100 mill and Brendan another 200 over the top and now Klopp has spent what £70 mill already. All we are left with is bashing at the Owners for what not being a Levy?
All this owner bashing has been forced upon us by clueless pundits who sit and talk rubbish on TV which provokes the fans to trash the owners.
You need a lot more than money to win a title over 38 games. Planning. Tactics, Player management and what more. More than the players Klopp needs to learn plenty on the game.
Can't believe the clueless people are all over coz we couldn't beat Hull and Swansea?
How many would continue this bashing if we smash Spurs this weekend?
12.) 08 Feb 2017 22:34:31
Harry are you now saying that people are wrong to be upset by recent results like Hull and a Swansea, WOW.
13.) 08 Feb 2017 23:01:57
Maths, In a month we've gone from, being in the running gor a title, and 2 cups to fighting for fourth place. A win at spurs is NOT changing how annoyed the fans should be. We'r going to have to go on a HUGE winning run, with how the other clubs are playing currently just to ensure champions league.
Kenny barely got any time to implement a thing/ 9I wouldn't include the suarez or carrol deals under him really), even so he won a cup and got us to a final. I have faith that Klopp knows what he's doing. I don't understand why he's changed our style slightly.
I certainly don't think Klopps spent vast amounts he's been quitereserved in his purchases and spent within a budget.
14.) 08 Feb 2017 23:53:52
Mcgoveb, you are missing Harry's point. You can be upset with results and that is fair. But to start bashing people who have nothing to do with tactics, systems and player output ie the owners, is what is wrong and should be called out as such, as Harry did. Some of our fans get suckered into the media narrative and then get into a tizzy when results go bad, parroting talking points from pathetic pundits whose goal is to cause disruption within the fanbase.
15.) 09 Feb 2017 09:11:50
Noah Red, I'll have to take your word on that so, I read it numerous times and can't see it like that. but was late so cheers.
16.) 09 Feb 2017 18:05:57
Mcgoveb and Chilean
How are the owners responsible for the the loss against Hull and Swansea? Are you also with the motion " we lack squad depth " all of a sudden?
17.) 09 Feb 2017 20:29:24
No 1 is saying the owners are, I certainly wasn't, where did you get that from? Klopp knew what he was taking on, but to say he had the budget of Brodge, is wrong.
We have always lacked ''quality'' bench players. I think our first 11 rivalsany ones (even if Id change the entire back line bar matip) but our bench for me (ed001 too mentioend this at the start of the season) never came close to uniteds, nor for me chelsea. It may have escaped you, but we've consistently with Spurs fielded the youngest average team this prem. The difference is Spurs have Lloris, vertonghen alderweireld.
18.) 10 Feb 2017 10:50:56
Harry of course it's not the owners fault we are losing games at the moment. In the same way it was not credit to the owners when we were winning games. Klopp picked the players he wanted and has since come out and said this is his team now. The fault lies with the players, manager and coaches.
Secondly we lack game changing squad depth. Also Harry I've been on the chat many times with you when you have gone crazy about how poor our bench is and how we lack strength in depth, so I'm not sure why you now believe we have a good enough team when you've bitched about the players throughout the squad.
06 Feb 2017 21:52:24
Ed001? What's your opinion on contracts being given out mid way through the season? To me it gives the players a sense of 'I've mad it' and futures should be only sorted at the end of the season.
The team, I think, believed their own hype and thought they were world beaters, levels dropped, we didn't get the results, and now the team is in a rut. This is where Klopp earns his cash as if we continue this way we could be 6th in a week or two.
{Ed001's Note - I have always believed in concentrating on playing during the season and doing everything else during the summer. They should only get awarded for what they do over an entire season, not part of it.}
1.) 07 Feb 2017 01:14:44
Good question and good answer - couldn't agree more.
01 Feb 2017 20:47:26
Just wanted to say well done to crouchy getting into the 100 club. Always gave his all for us.
1.) 01 Feb 2017 22:00:27
Class man.
2.) 01 Feb 2017 23:12:54
Crouch might have aspired to be as talented as many strikers around in world football during the career. But near enough every one could aspire to be as much of an all round professional and genuinely lovely man as Peter Crouch.
3.) 02 Feb 2017 01:19:54
Great to see the robot back in action.
In my opinion he should have gone to the euroso
4.) 02 Feb 2017 06:19:41
Great guy - well played mate.
5.) 02 Feb 2017 14:39:12
Love him to bits. True role model on and off the pitch.
02 Sep 2016 08:59:48
It's the 2nd the eds wouldn't be so cruel! Believe in the L!
28 Aug 2016 11:16:59
Zedd it's from the bbc gossip column, where they just round up various stories from rags. The one in question happens to be from the S*n so as ed002 think it's unlikely.
03 Aug 2016 15:20:06
can he play left back?
11 Jul 2016 19:06:29
Or his comments could be fishing for last minute interest. I still expect benteke to be gone by the seasons start.
15 Jun 2017 10:54:49
Im not denying the fact we were in the wrong fencey, but because it was plastered all across the web definitely didn't help us.
28 May 2017 15:35:29
I don't really have any expectations yet however the aim should be to win the league. what's the point of being in a competition if your not going to try and win it.
03 May 2017 20:31:31
Great news! How's Gomez getting on ST? Expecting opportunities pre season?
27 Apr 2017 22:28:42
We were against napoli, the atmosphere was electric with banter going between the sets of fans. We went 1-0 down and was thinking the worst (first game at anfield being a loss) then stevie g joined the fray and banged a hat trick.
Wont be forgetting that in a very long time!
13 Feb 2017 11:58:40
Maths the Jan transfer window is a joke and is only in existence because of Sky milking it (but that's a conversation for another day)
Alfie, Seano and Robin, I couldn't agree more we have brought players for the sake of it in the past and it's got us nowhere. In the summer we should look at a keeper to replace migs, a lb to replace moreno, and a first 11 cb to partner matip anything else should be dependent on sales or if someone comes up that improves the first 11 outside the priority positions.