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30 May 2018 10:02:30
Hey eds just to change topics from the usual who are we going to sign today, I was wondering if you could shed some light on the pay structure for players when on international duty.

When I was young I naively believed players represented their country simply out of pride however, I'm assuming that is far from the case. So how does it work, do players have contracts with the FA? Is it a set wage or does it differ between players that are gatunteed starters versus say standby players? Are agents involved in negotiation and thereby agents fees involved?

Thanks in advanced.

Nafe01

{Ed002's Note - An interesting question. Players either don't get paid or get a smallish match fee that varies country to country. For many years it was the norm to not pay the players but in recent years the higher profile nations pay a match fee typically based on results. I am not sure what England pay at present but it is something like £2k for a win, £1k for a draw and £500 if they lose. One England player persuades some if not all of the others to donate the monies they get to charity. The French side do the same and it would not be unreasonable to expect that the higherprofile the other sides like Germany, Italy and Spain do the same. The African nations won't pay any fees. Some nations will pay bonuses for doing well in competition. Several times in the past I recall tournament bonuses paid by sponsors being gifts of watches, cars and the like. Now the players would be given a significant bonus (£500k or whatever) for winning the World Cup.}


1.) 30 May 2018 11:45:49
Ed once again thanks for sharing your knowledge. Also I'm glad to hear that it seems that national football is the one element left that hasn't been conpletely corrupted by money and agents and that a lot of players actually donate their fees to charity.


2.) 30 May 2018 12:31:42
Like the idea nafe but unfortunately you’re wrong. maybe not the majority of the players but the country FIFA officials are as corrupt as anything.


3.) 30 May 2018 12:36:26
Great question from Nafe01 and a very insightful reply from ED02.

Thanks ED02.


 

 

18 Oct 2016 11:35:26
Regardless of the result there were some interesting points that came out of last nights performance. Firstly I think was quite aparant how much we missed Gini in midfield. Unfortunately for Can, Hendo has got the deep sitting midfielder role sewn up and I think it was very apparent that Can was not mobile enough to pull of his role. He got caught way to many times lacking enough pace and the ability turn a distribute the ball effectively. Although he improved in the second half I'm pretty certain Can will either have to work hard on acceleration and stamina or have to accept he's only a squad player now.

Another one is sturridge. Although he is obviously a fantastic forward with natural finishing abilities I think he's going to struggle to get game time when everyone is fit. Pressing just does not seem to be his game and against top clubs that will effect our overall ability to play our system. I could easily see him being allowed to leave in the summer which is a shame as I rate him. Just don't think he's compatible to klopps system.

Lastly I find it highly satisfying knowing that after spending ridiculous amounts of money on players Man U are now the ones that are happy with a draw. Years gone by have seen Man U ride the tide during the first half and then nick a second half winner. Glad to see we didn't collapse and concede when things weren't going our way. As klopp said in pre match interview, we're not an experienced side but we're becoming experienced. Hopefully we're becoming a team that can ride out the tough games and come away with a result. Onwards and upwards.

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1.) 18 Oct 2016 13:00:49
Couldn't agree more.


2.) 18 Oct 2016 14:15:33
Agree on most of that but Can was in his first game back after a pretty long time out, he was definitely rusty but obviously a bit behind the rest of the ram both in fitness and understanding. Wini's quick transitions and attack support was certainly missed.


3.) 18 Oct 2016 15:46:34
Is wiji out for long?

Its obvious Klopp rates him highly.


4.) 18 Oct 2016 16:20:25
Think sturridge will be gone and probably abroad come January he doesn't suit this play and because we're not playing to his strengths he is struggling i also think Ings would of been perfect for that match. One question Steven Gerrard did drag liverpool to some good cup wins but why do the kop have to sing that Gerrard song Dalgliesh has done more and i don't hear songs about him or other legends i'd rather a song naming all our greats. Lot of respect for what he did but its a song that's not going to lift the team and especially when the team we're up against change the lyrics to.


5.) 18 Oct 2016 17:02:41
Where once we watched King Kenny play.


6.) 18 Oct 2016 17:39:58
Spot on, Nafe. I do think Can was rusty and it was obvious that he needs match sharpness. As for Studge, many have said he doesn`t fit the way Klopp wants his strikers to play and yesterday was evidence of that. The difference was clear when Firmino moved in there and lallana was put on. He will struggle IMO and it will be a matter of time before he is shipped out even tho, I expect that he will get chances to prove many of us wrong. As for Utd and Mou, Fergie must be puking in his mouth and swallowing it at the same time with the tripe his club served up last night. The most expensive team ever assembled literally played like a bottom feeder club just happy to not get smashed. And some of their fans are trying to spin it as a masterclass. If that was a masterclass, what should we label Pep who on the road at OT, put out a clinic on how modern day football should be played against Mou or Klopp who went against the same Moou last season at the Bridge needing a win and not only went for it, he got it by playing fluid football and smashing his team to tiny bits hence, contributing to his sacking? LVG would have been sacked this morning after that disaster but because it`s Mou, the fans and media give him a pass. Pathetic!


7.) 18 Oct 2016 17:58:25
@swishcleaner. Yeah totally understand he's been out with an injury and still lacking match fitness. However, his playing style doesn't offer the attributes gini gives and the position he plays. If anything I think it was just a case of injuries forced klopp into playing him there. In most cases I think he's battling it out with hendo for the deep lying midfield position but again think it unlikely he'll oust hendo. I must admit I was one of those that questioned ginis signing however last night showed how much pace we lack in midfield without him.


8.) 18 Oct 2016 18:15:05
I agree Can was a bit rusty but I think having no Lallana and Couts playing deeper had a bigger impact.
I was actually happy with Cans forced inclusion as i'd thought we'd need his extra physicality and height against Pogs and elbows. Think he did ok in that respect but he his slow transition in receiving the ball and moving it on cost us some chances of a quick counter. Wini is much more effective in this area.
But Can does bring those forward bursts to the fore. Which did seem to unsettle the opposition a bit and draw them out of position. Sometimes these runs were our main threat, particularly in the 1st half.
All in all I'm glad he's back and i'm certainly looking forward to seeing him regain match sharpness.


9.) 18 Oct 2016 19:15:36
Dalglish is our greatest ever player imo.
But he was part of probably the finest British team ever.
In Stevies era unfortunately the club picked wrong owners and some poorer managers.
Gerards loyalty to his boyhood club showed his star quality when he could have had his pick of any club in Europe.
And he was the driving force all through through all the earlier rounds for Istanbul.
He's still a local fan made good who is grateful to the club.
That strikes a huge chord with LFC fans who are the best in the world.

{Ed041's Note - Dalglish was amaing and could play and win title in any era for me mate


10.) 19 Oct 2016 10:46:35
Hi ed41.
I agree with you 100% about Dalglish.


But I also think that Gerrard would have been good enough to play in any era.
Tks.


 

 

27 May 2016 21:22:12
This has got to be a wind up! 8 goals all competitions now thinks he's the new scholes accept all he can manage is 10 yard sideways passes. Hasn't performed in a major tournament since 04 and only scores in qualifiers against minor teams. Most overrated player ever!

Nafe01

1.) 27 May 2016 21:25:45
Whoops this was meant to be in reply to African experts post about Rooney!


2.) 27 May 2016 22:20:03
We knew who you were talking about mate😂.


3.) 27 May 2016 22:35:09
Rooney has been aweful since 2011 and has been stealing a huge living from Utd since then. Hasn't had a good international tournament since Euro 2004. He's finished and has been for years.


4.) 28 May 2016 07:17:54
Rooney from the commercial point of view is the most important figure at UTD.


 

 

27 May 2016 20:05:47
So I might be missing something but sturridge's injury was initially reported as a calf strain by Roy. However I've just seen it is now being reported on sky sports as a thigh injury. Is it a double injury or are England just hopeless when it comes to diagnosing injuries? The calf and thigh are pretty hard to mix up after all!

Nafe01

{Ed023's Note - He said calf (baby cow) in reference to Rooney...}


 

 

30 Apr 2016 10:04:46
Just seen sturridge's latest interview and sounds like he's giving klopp a bit of fair warning, play me or I'm off. To be honest I've been thinking he's been showing attitude every time he's been subbed and I guess Thursday was the straw that broke the camels back. I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel misses out on euros he'll blame it on lack of playing time and want out.

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1.) 30 Apr 2016 10:49:15
Every top player wants to play - don't know why people make such a big deal about it over sturridge. I think the manager and most fans don't appreciate what he brings to the team and is best if he leaves.


2.) 30 Apr 2016 12:20:02
It would be great to see him start Thursday and bang a hat trick in 😁.


3.) 30 Apr 2016 12:21:55
I would rather have our Manager, than Sturridge leading the line occasionally or when he feels fit, that is if Daniel is giving ultimatums.
It's like the why isn't Flano starting? questioning. The lad has started 4 games in which we have lost 3.Not all down to him obviously, but we must leave it to the Manager to decide who he feels is fitter and who will be better suited to the tactics he wants to go with.
Just my opinion.


4.) 30 Apr 2016 13:04:11
There are lot of things i don't like about sturidge. He is a very good goal scorer but not the best team player. He rarely gives assist he shots from anywhere, he looses the ball and don't work hard towards winning the ball. Yeah i know strikers have to be selfish but sturedge is too selfish. In short he is not a klopp type of striker. If he wants to leave good for him. This is the first time in 3 years he had been fit for more than 3 games so thank you studge and we will be happy with someone else who is a team player and won't cry everytime they get subbed or have to sit on the bench.


5.) 30 Apr 2016 13:12:50
His fitness is an issue still, klopps breaking him back in gently.
It's a good thing studge is frustrated.


6.) 30 Apr 2016 13:31:05
Sturridge hasn't said anything to cause any concern. People making something out of nothing.


7.) 30 Apr 2016 13:47:30
I am always amazed how quickly people here are happy to get rid of our best players. The moment anyone is even throwing a hint that they may not be interested to stay in the long term in some situation everyone here are like 'yes he should go we would be better without him'. It was the same earlier this season with Coutinho when there were some publications he may leave. We lost Suarez and Sterling in the last two summers. If we lose Sturridge or Couts or both this summer we are doomed for next season in my view. If you think Klopp will score goals himself you are wrong.

I always bring the example of Rooney who wanted to leave United and ferguson told him you are not going anwywhere and that was the end of it. He got them few more trohpies since including at least one title.


8.) 30 Apr 2016 14:46:13
He doesn't have the right to be frustrated!
He's never Fit.


9.) 30 Apr 2016 15:59:39
Nafe, Studge said nothing of the sort that you just posted. All he did was say he's working hard, and feels good and hungry. What do you expect him to say? That he should be playing regardless? He gave Klopp no ultimatums neither did he warn Klopp of anything. People need to to making 2+2=5. Nothing Studge said is unsual for a striker who thinks he should be playing more and who is actually playing and scoring when he does get on the pitch. I can understand that. If he was playing and not scoring then I would be worried. Would people prefer Benteke and his stinking attitude as one who is lazy but thinks he's entitled to playing every game?


10.) 30 Apr 2016 17:48:19
It was a very honest interview especially the part where he said he couldn't promise he would be here for ever, when you consider the amount of ins/ outs that occur at every football club every summer and transfer windows plus the clamour from us fans for buying and selling, I could see his point, I hope he is angry enough to down Swansea and villareal, we need to keep hold of him imo his goals per game ratio is incredible, plus we have been patient with him during his lay off, it would be crazy to let him leave now. Strangely some players never receive the adulation of the crowd and it seems as though sturridge is one of them, I am puzzled by that personally.


 

 

 

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30 May 2018 09:44:17
Im sure something was said by one of the eds or someone in the know a few years ago saying that he wasnt a very progressive coach and was using outdated GK training techniques but I maybe wrong.

Also his appointmemt to the first team coincided with Reinas decline in form and probably worst of all he was he played a major role in the targeting of Mignolet as he had been supposedly tracking him for a number of years. However, he is one of the few GK coaches to have attained his UEFA pro licence and was one of the only backroom staff members kept on by Klopp from Rodgers time so he must be doing something right, just not sure what.

Personally after overseeing the decline or stagnation of 3 GKs (4 if you include Ward) I think there should be a change however, as Klopp seems to be a big fan of his that seems unlikely to happe anytime soon.

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07 Jun 2017 11:27:11
Seems very odd been as ssn are reporting that we're not willing to go to £35m for Salah so have changed to what would presumably Ben our 3rd choice that would look to cost around £40m. Why would we choose a more expensive option for 3rd choice. It's not like salah is at the end of his career and therefore doesn't represent a good investment.

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06 Jan 2016 18:44:08
It's already been disclosed in the media that there is no recall clause in the contract due to it being a loan to buy contract. Aston Villa would have to be the ones to cancel the loan of their own accord.

Regardless if he has played or not Aston villa could always keep him until the summer, exercise the purchase clause and then look to sell, presumably at a profit. However, this would likely depend on the agreed purchase price, potential sell on price and possible interest in Ilori.

Also bare in mind Ilori hasn't been able to get into the Aston villa team under two different managers when all he's competing against is Richards and lescott. As much as I would like to blame Rogers for "brendaning" him, maybe he just isn't up to scratch and isn't the answer anyway?

Nafe01

{Ed001's Note - he couldn't get in ahead of two players who the club had been desperate to sign and made bad deals to get them. It is no indication of his potential or current ability.}


 

 

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11 Dec 2015 09:32:25
This whole idea of "impact sub that offers something different" never works and doesn't exist. What people seem to fail to realise is that if you purchase and play a striker that does not fit in with the already established system, ie pressing counter attacking, then that means your are going to have to run training sessions throughout the week to inform the team how you want them to play when one individual player is introduced. This means trying to coach a team on two completely different systems week in week out which just doesn't work.

There are other nock on effects as well as you've also got to buy other enabling players to incorporate that individual striker, ie traditional wingers to cross (we only have Ibe) . Just lumping on benteke into a 4-3-3 with either lallana, Coutinhou, firmino, sturridge or Ings wouldn't work as there would be no service. This is exactly what we're seeing now, what we saw with lambert and also carrol.

Its good to have different options but these need to be able to play in the already established system. Having a striker that requires a completely different set up and system just doesn't work and never will!

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18 Jun 2015 13:03:04
Sorry but how do you expect our club to compete or even survive if we don't make a profit? We're already under the spotlight for FFP rules and the rules aren't going anywhere. So if you actually want the club to be able to compete on the transfer market you might want to start getting used to the idea that Liverpool FC is a business and it's in everyone's interest that we create a club that lives within its owns means. FSG although not perfect in every aspect are at least on the right track but hey feel free to wish for the return of H&G or Moores!

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12 Jul 2018 11:57:20
World class is a term used too easily these days. To be world class I personally believe a player has to show consistant quality over a number of years as well as individually make key contributions to campaigns and trophies ie Thuram, puyol, cannavaro, hansen etc

I wouldn't even mention Lovren in the same breadth of those that were trully world class.

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11 Jun 2018 17:12:01
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the whole failed medical scenario was a complete fabrication by those who professed "the deal is done, will be announced at 9pm" to cover the fact they were talking crap.

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08 Jun 2018 19:02:23
@ zeddicus. No doubt the extra money has had an impact on transfers at least in someway. However, my point was more to do with the fact that people were more than happy to celebrate all the extra money the Premier League was recieving believing it would not have a knock on effect. People celebrate companies paying hundreds of millions in tv rights and then complain whem they have to pay those same companies to watch there service. You can't have it both ways hence the irony.

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08 Jun 2018 16:16:36
Its a bit ironic complaining about the cost of football on TV. I don't remember anyone complaining about all the extra funds we were going to be getting for transfers at the time.

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30 May 2018 11:45:49
Ed once again thanks for sharing your knowledge. Also I'm glad to hear that it seems that national football is the one element left that hasn't been conpletely corrupted by money and agents and that a lot of players actually donate their fees to charity.

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