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12 Jul 2017 09:17:06
One for Ed002. If you are able to do so in your opinion is the complexity of signing players becoming a greater problem due to image rights, multi party ownership and the legal issues relating to employment law. Plus, are the club's sufficiently able to navigate these issues themselves or outsource experts to do so. Cheers Evo.

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{Ed002's Note - (1) Image Rights: No not particularly but some clubs get in to a mess if they are not careful - and Liverpool are a prime example of a club that is still embroiled in this mess. The example is Lazar Markovic and the payments Liverpool are making to Lanigan Management Limited of about £600k per year through to June 2019 (regardless of whether he leaves or not but thyey have to pay it up if he does) for use of his image rights. Obviously they have been of zero use to the club. (b) Third Party Ownership: Effectively banned since 2015 but there are still residual issues in Portugal and significant issues in South America that won't go away so easily. Ranges from fairly simple situations where two clubs share the economic rights to a player (very common in South America) that can be resolved, through ownership being tied to companies based on small islands in the West Indies to the strange case of a tiny Uruguayan side Deportivo Maldonado and and London-based Stellar. It is unusual and something that the football authorities would like to end. It is embroiled in an investment company called the Stellar Group who financially control Deportivo Maldonado, a Uruguayan side with no real facilities and a small fan base. They legally hold (or have held) the rights to a number of players who are high profile (Jonathan Calleri, Alex Sandro and Pablo Osvaldo all come to mind) and were "purchased" and then sold on at a significant profit to the London-based investment company and the agent who deals with most of these players, Gustavo Arribas, who is also the Director General of the Argentine Intelligence Agency. Manchester City would liked to have purchased Rulli outright but only 70% of his rights were for sale and he could therefore play in England. To overcome this, Manchester City sold their portion of his ownership and Deportivo Maldonado have sold part of their portion of his ownership (in reality Stellar's and Arribas' portion) to Real Sociedad and then agreed to sell the remaining 30% over a three year period to Real Sociedad to overcome Spanish rules regarding part ownership. Manchester City for their part in facilitating this has and agreement that they can buy the goalkeeper for something like €15m once he is fully owned by Real Sociedad (or for a cost of €15M plus a negotiated fee for the remaining rights). As with any buy back clause, they would need to any higher offer made by another side in the future. Rulli would not be eligible for a UK work permit but I understand that he will seek a European passport. That would be seen by the UK as a passport of convenience and would not help him. The player knew that if he moved to Manchester City he would have to be loaned out and eventually probably sold. Like Calleri, none of this is illegal but perhaps it should be - it is well beyond the third party ownership that is rife in South America. Deportivo Maldonado is a effectively a shell for Stellar and Arribas to exploit Uruguayan tax laws. (c) There are no real issues surrounding employment law per se but there are always difficulties dealing with variances in laws between countries - the Work Permit situation in England is stricter than many countries for example.

Clubs use standard contracts that are adapted with additional clauses by their legal teams to address such matter. In some countries intermediaries (agents/representatives) are required to have a qualified lawyer as part of their business.}


1.) 12 Jul 2017 10:16:50
Sorry ed i that was a bit vague. could you please explain that again but in more detail.?


2.) 12 Jul 2017 10:26:51
Liverpool supporters are unique.

{Ed002's Note - Special, yes.}


3.) 12 Jul 2017 10:28:36
Thanks Ed002 - this is very enlightening.

Can I please make a suggestion to use a hashtag or some other distict phrase when you post a long educational piece so it can be searched with success for example #knowledge.

For many readers going back and reading your posts as articles will be far more interesting than asking if VVD has handed in a transfer request ad-nauseum.


4.) 12 Jul 2017 15:02:50
Interesting, for the second time in an hour, thanks ed2.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

02 Mar 2015 18:05:48
Eds 01, if we are to evolve the football management infrastructure to include a Director of Football, I would like somebody with enough wisdom and connections within the game, someone like Roy Evans. I'm sure he would get support from supporters like myself, probably not from within the current hierarchy?

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{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't hold your breath.}


1.) 02 Mar 2015 20:49:36
Roy is s great bloke, but the game has moved on from his time.


2.) 03 Mar 2015 09:59:37
I got ed to list the job detail of a DOF and after seeing it my idea of a job for someone say in semi retirement went out the window there is a lot of responsibility to the role, and as much as I like Roy who imo would have won the league for us if we didn't let go of his free flowing football for that awful football Houllier delivered into anfield.


 

 

15 Apr 2014 23:17:24
Feel very humbled (again) today, I explained to one my step-sons who is aged 16 and a Toffee! That it could easily have happened to a different team on that fateful, we had got Nottingham Forest and it could easily have been Everton that year, he was interested and wanted to understand. I remember that terrible day playing for Prescot Cables and the horror that unravelled, and on reflection knowing that if we hadn't been playing that day then I would have gone the match with my mates. Respect to all who remember, survivors, the 96 families and their lost loved ones and those whose still grieve.

JFT 98 YNWA
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17 Mar 2014 18:33:55
How many points can we afford to drop and still win the title? I reckon we can only drop 2 points. Goal difference is going to have a big say, it is worth a point in itself.

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1.) Focus on the next game and nothing more IMO.


2.) I'm not an advocate of looking 10 fixtures ahead but what is it with this whole next game nothing else matters. Obviously the players need that attitude but why are fans getting shot down for thinking about a title?


 

 

27 Dec 2013 19:33:49
Skirtel always has a mistake in him, I have never been his biggest fan. He gets away with it against teams we score three or four goals, but in games against the better teams when games are decided on small margins I think he costs us. Plus he has forgotten how to defend at corners! I'd play Toure.

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1.) Agree totally mate


2.) My thoughts exactly


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2017 06:39:26
Good luck to the lad. I hope he has a great career with us. Why the negative attitude towards him, don't understand some fans. Or are they truly fans. Whether we are good bad or ugly true fans get behind the team. I can't wait for the season to start, some on here are beyond belief with the negative stuff.

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04 Jul 2017 22:33:42
You are going to be asked this 300 times a day now.

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02 Jul 2017 12:33:42
I think the lad can develop his game. But he needs game time and stay injury free. He is not a central midfield player, his positional sense is poor in the middle and doesn't read the dangers from a defensive perspective. He is a player who is best used across the front coming off either wing creating opportunities and scoring. Decision making needs to get better in final third. Would he get in ahead of Mane, Salah, Lallana? I don't think so.

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24 Jun 2017 16:44:12
Centre midfield who scores = Gruicj.

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22 Jun 2017 11:12:44
It's funny though 😂.

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01 Aug 2017 14:24:26
Cole and Baines definitely.

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22 Jul 2017 22:39:11
TAA had to close the wide player who had been left free by the midfield, this was what created the space to get the cross in. If you double up out wide the cross doesn't happen. The kid reads the game better than some of his established team members.

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16 Jul 2017 20:10:21
Fair play to the Ed, this lad will make the midfield much stronger, with Hendo they will protect the centre backs. Full backs need to be better. Again if they're better then the whole defence is much improved. got to keep a defensive tight unit and provide protection in front.

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09 Jul 2017 14:49:18
With better fullbacks and a midfielder who protects the centre backs will improve the defence considerably.

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07 Jul 2017 19:38:24
Really brave boy. Very sad.

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