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23 Jun 2015 06:17:14
Its been bugging me for a few days now after reading posts both here and on the official liverpool fc website. Could it be that the biggest problem with our club is not the manager or owners or players. Perhaps the biggest problem is the so called supporters. Every player we have is either not good enought to be in starting 11 or deadwood. Every player we sign is average or useless. The staff is useless. Everyone screaming for youth to be played and most of them wouldn't even know what the player looks like before they beg he be played just because some article on some website says he is the next big thing or because he is a wonderkid in FIFA. People outright saying that if we don't sign so and so player (who again they might never have even watched but did well for them on FIFA) we will get relegated because all our players are average. Fair play to the fans who are not like this and actually support the club but they seem to be in the vast minority. I am not saying everthing is nice and dandy with our club right now but the amount of hate spewed by liverpool "fans" at absolutely everything related to the club has to stop if we are to move forward. Just my opinion.
Have a nice day everyone

1.) 23 Jun 2015 06:53:25
when we were winning, the season we got 2nd, fans were praising our players. now we're not in a good state, fans are not happy.

fans tend to follow the performance of the team on the pitch. so look at who is responsible for the performance of the team on the pitch instead mate.

yeah most fans here do moan here. but the amount of posters here is nowhere near the representation of the entire population of liverpool supporters around the world. its the same as every other site. it is skewed to people who post, if your making this assumption based on this website and liverpool fc's website.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure there are lots of excuses you can find to explain the embarrassment and the moronic posts.}

2.) 23 Jun 2015 07:03:28
Fans are the lifeblood of the club. Fans pay good, hard earned money to watch their team. When the team, management, club, fail as spectacularly as they did last season then they have every right to ask questions. Fans have every right to question and debate signings, of whether they are good or bad or otherwise. What you want is blind support irrespective of the choices the club makes and the consequences that follow. We, as a club, have fallen behind and have a long way to go to catch up to the "top 4" - it would be a sign of how far we have fallen, and the lack of ambition we have, if fans were happy, supportive, compliant with the current situation. I'm happy there is so much discontent - it shows that the fans still care and still harbour the highest of ambition for the club.

As for signings: we've so far bought a reserve keeper who will have little impact on anything, we've bought a midfielder who is simply an older, slightly less talented version of what we already have (Henderson) for big wages and we've brought in a striker who was decent for Burnley but has no real experience playing at a top club and whose future success is impossible to predict. These signings do not exactly scream out "top 4" do they? I think Milner will be fine, Ings I don't know, Bogdan is irrelevant oh and we signed another youth prospect (who, if history tells us anything, will be loaned out and forgotten about). On top of this we've fired lots of coaching staff but kept the manager! That is shambolic decision making from the very top. There is still a lot of time left for signings to be made, decisions to be reached, etc etc and let's hope the right decisions do happen. As it stands things are troubling.

Fans have a right to voice their discontent - with the clubs current plight I'd be worried if there wasn't any complaints or misgivings. If you want to walk with the sheep and 'get behind the club' in spite of farcical operations, on and off the pitch, go for it but don't sully fans who simply have the clubs interests at heart.

{Ed002's Note - You need to get hold of the owners and stomp on their heads or whatever the hip thing is.}

3.) 23 Jun 2015 07:38:39
Most of those issues all point back to one man. BR. Players aren't used to their potential, an ever growing squad of players brought in with no thought as to how they will be played or loaned out again. Likewise no plan for youth, loaning them out and loaning players of the same calibre back in and as for the coaches, their position was redundant- BR said it himself as most of the 100 goals we conceded were 'uncoachable'. Most on here are behind the club and the players ( albeit with the odd disagreement around selections) but right now we have moved backwards. We've signed 4 players yet I don't see how we are any stronger than last year. Of course I hope I'm proven wrong and will support all the new signings but right now we've spent more cash in the wrong areas whic can only mean there's less cash for the right areas.

4.) 23 Jun 2015 08:05:35
The biggest problem of the club is supporters who argue that the main problem is the supporters. Liverpool supporters have nothing to do with where we are. It is one of the most loyal fan groups in the world, maybe too loyal. Our matches are always sold out, supporters always support the team on the pitch, sing the YWWA, never boo anyone, what is the complaint? that some people here in this banter site moan? it is a banter site, where will people moan if not in here?

In any case fans have a right to moan and in the case of LFC almsot a duty to moan. We used to be an empire and we became a mid table team, We got a huge chance to come back to the big ones two years ago and then we screw it after we had one of the worst season ever not taking advantage of the fact that ManU and Arseanl didn't have a great season.

Maybe if the fans were more loud on their disaapointment and less loyal - the owners would feel they have to do something about it, sack BR and bring Klopp for example which every football person in the world knwo they had to. This is what the ManU fans did last year and this made the ManU borad sack Moyce and bring LVG and see where they are today. And ManU supporters really didn't have a reason to complaine after thier recent successes. In any case, we are fans we don't get the millions the players and managers and owners get or have, we actually pay them their salaries through season tickets and subscription to Sky Sport and in return we get just misery. If we cannot even moan what is left for us to do about it?

I promise you that if we won the league just once again people will not complain for ten years. But ye we are not too exctied about being a midtable team, who can blame us?

5.) 23 Jun 2015 07:04:35
Can't argue with that, it's easy to be a critic.

6.) 23 Jun 2015 08:18:06
So your excuse that LFC has been decidedly average for the past quarter of century is the fans? The most perfunctuary of an excuse if I have ever heard one.

7.) 23 Jun 2015 08:44:29
asking fans to accept mediocrity , surely they will loathe and moan. was a big club, is no more. its frustrating . owners spend money not on the right players often , so there is dissent.
nobody here is asking to play youth because they go high in FIFA, its because they do deserve chances based on their performances and growing from roots is the best way forward, fans just want club to stop making investments on players that just fill the spot take us nowhere and rather promote youth players, how is that wrong.
The club will be much better off right now if they listen to the moaning and loathing fans for once.
and the hate is spewed because A to Z of our beloved club has failed last season. and we aren't learning from mistakes. in simple terms Explain milner? how does he solve any problem? did we have any midfield problem to begin with?
great player but not an immediate need of the hour.
What is true is true , we have no too many players not good enough and the management isn't smart enough.
some fans accept it and go along others like to moan and vent it out. Still they all are Fans.

8.) 23 Jun 2015 09:11:04
Can't totally disagree. All have their good points and they also have their bad.

FSG had saved us and invested money. They have also rubbished our name throughout football, appointed the wrong people and keep away from the club, too distant.

Rodgers has improved our play, had some of the most exciting football. He took us back to the CL and signed some great players. But also signed some crap. He has alienated some great players and refuses to learn from mistakes. He does look out of his depth and after spending untold millions still hadn't won a thing.

We are used to winning, to being a big club, a respected club. We all watch the games there on on TV so we can also see what's needed, who's good who isn't.
We want to return to the top table, our owners promised this. Fact. They have given money towards it. Why is it so wrong to see players of the level of Allen, Lambert, Mignolet, Bogdan arrive and then question if we will win the league or challenge? Why is it wrong to pay to watch Ballotelli or Enrique and see their effort and woeful product then criticise them?

It's not Lovren fault he cost £25m, but is he even performing the level of an £8m CB? Why can a fan not moan at watching Allen get knocked over in every challenge, watch him lose possesion when we are told he is there to win and keep it! Not only that but he's outstanding at doing so. Worse when we see Lucas missing out or Can playing out of position, for his place in the team?

You've seen unauthorised video of Sterling, read his agents comments, seen his performances. I can't wait to sell him and get rid. Am I a bad fan now?

It is not our fault if we are suckered by our own staff stating players like Ilori, Yesil and others are top talents, are class - but we never see them. Of course we want this £7m CB to play a game after 2yrs, he did well on both loans and in tournements. Our defence is poor. Skrtel is not good enough, we spent £25m on Lovren, we play Can in there. So yeah I'm a bad fan if I want to see this kid or Lloyd Jones.
We played with no strikers, Sterling couldn't finish sitters while Yesil is scoring for fun in the reserves. I must be awful for calling for him to get his chance.

It's chicken and egg for me, which came first? Fans suddenly becoming haters and moaners OR the clubs greatness disappearing, the reputation evaporating with average players (not all) and an average manager?
We used to be the model to follow, now we are chasing how Chelsea is run, or Southampton. Want to be self sufficient like Swansea, play like Barca. Maket the East like Utd or City. These clubs used to look at us and want to be us. Yeah I question why and how we got to a place where we are.

The only time I can agree is when we sign a player that wants it, is hungry to succeed and realises his oppertunity like Ings and fans rubbish him. That's when i agree this is not how we were. A young English player, scored double figures in his first top flight season in a relegated team, cost nothing, is a talent and will be a full international, will improve at our club. He turned down the no8 shirt allegedly, as he said he needs to earn an iconic number at our iconic club. We never used to knock that type of player or person. He will improve us, we used to spot that not question it.

9.) 23 Jun 2015 09:15:06
The supporters expectations need to be more realistic but, if you honestly can't see how much the manager has contributed to the poor performances (and consequently the negativity amongst fans) then I pity you. Having said that, everyone has a part to play in trying to support the club and the players and if Rogers is our manager this season, let's at least get behind him and hope he can pull some managerial magic out of his dossier.

10.) 23 Jun 2015 10:10:58
We have minimal influence, so venting frustration is all we can do. It's just human nature. There is no point in coming to a site like this if we don't voice our opinions frankly. I come here to find out the gossip and gauge my own opinions against that of other fans. Fortunately FSG and what's left of the coaching team are too busy with transfer business to read all this and get dragged down!
Personally I don't care whether a post is positive or negative, as long as the poster tries to be balanced, fair and rational. Can't say I've any time for personal vitriol directed at the manager, the owners or the players and I reckon the eds do a good job of filtering it out. Sure mistakes have been made and sometimes it seems the same mistakes are made more than once, which is incredibly frustrating, but if we look at ourselves we'd probably all realise that the same has applied to us.
If at the end of this summer we have signed a decent LB and stiker, given Illori a chance pre-season, got shut of peripheral players and players who don't want to play for us for the right amount, then I think it will have been a sucessfull summer. All the indications are we're doing this, and earlier than last year. I think Milner and Ings have been good signings, but I think that a lot of frustration is based on the fact that they are the first signings and the only significant ones to date.

11.) 23 Jun 2015 10:51:21
Like I said, it's easy to be a critic and the manager certainly had a bad season last season. But he has gone from being lauded by all to a figure of ridicule. People comment on his nose, his teeth, his tan even his private life. Come on, criticise where it's deserved but don't pick on his appearance like some 8 year old playground bully. Act like adults about it and stick to the football.

12.) 23 Jun 2015 11:32:01
We need to support our team and manager even if we have doubts over his suitability for the job. The owners have backed the manager and seem to be ready to go again . We didn't get to where we wanted to be last year but hopefully we can turn it around this one , get behind your club and let's see where we go .

13.) 23 Jun 2015 11:37:37
I think fan negativity can be an influence on a team, when you're in a rut it's harder to get out of it when everyone's saying you're s**t. Having said that I expect the ratio of satisfied to unsatisfied is not really represented by the people on this site. I don't think BR will be booed or there'll be fans sticking their fingers up at him from the stands, or at least not yet.

{Ed001's Note - I very much doubt those saying he should go here would boo him at a game anyway. I know I didn't when I was going along and watching us under Souness. I was desperate to see the back of him and his awful buys but at the ground it was all about cheering on the team and hoping they would prove worthy of the shirt. The same when it was time for Ged to go etc. You support the team on the pitch, then go home and moan about them afterward, not during the game.}

14.) 23 Jun 2015 11:42:02
One of the few things i actually agree with you on ron. Not necessary tbh, i don't personally respect brendan but i don't see the relevance of his personal habits.

15.) 23 Jun 2015 12:39:37
Ron have you posted that to ed002 also who for months has called him the nose ( which I found amusing tbh,)ermmm my guess is NO!

You and dozens like you will cherry pick posters or groups of posters to criticize, to defend the indefensible, but won't have the balls to take on an ed if you find something they post not to your taste.

Now go gaze longingly at your poster of swiss tony in his L.F.C. blazor and tie combo whilst clutching a rose and sipping a chardonnay, telling him the nasty men are all wrong and he'll sow em!!

16.) 23 Jun 2015 14:27:50
All great points! The fact of the matter is many of us have been fans of this great club for years and that will never change regardless of how good or bad the manager is. What I dislike is fans criticizing other fans for stating our obvious issues and venting frustration about how things are being run and the bad decisions being made on and off the pitch. These aren`t partisan witchunts or wild goose chases. these are true facts on the ground that we are seeing YET many call sid fans moaners and negative because they have the courage to voice their concerns and disagreements. The manager, the owners have a lot to answer for and if the other fans cannot have an honest debate over our current state without calling us moaners and the like, I suggest they go to another forum where they can all live a life of fantasy where NOTHING bad is happening and all will always be well because on THIS forum, we talk about reality, not fantasy.

P/S: Good post, Waro. All Ron wants to do is be a contrarian without presenting any logical arguments as to why BR should be kept or why the owners kept him. All he seems to care about is that BR stayed and that`s all even tho, he has claimed he wanted BR gone. Sounds like sitting on the fence to me. I have been consitent that BR should be gone, no if`s or but`s about it but I guess he wants it both ways like his BFF does all the time

17.) 23 Jun 2015 14:53:32
Only poster I gaze at lovingly is you Waro.

Ed002 is quite clear that he is not a Liverpool fan. If he wants to insult our club or it's employees then she is only doing what most other opposition supporters do.

It's quite different for so-called LFC fans to do it. Sort of like some kind of masochism.

I've not named anyone personally or singled anyone out, you are completely wrong about that. In fact it's the opposite, I'm often the target of personal abuse.

Other than that, you know I love you darling xx

18.) 23 Jun 2015 15:07:36
Well your only human Ronald!

19.) 23 Jun 2015 16:26:49
Ohio: WTF do I care whether BR stays or not?

I really don't care and I don't see why I should try and justify something that has nothing to do with me.

To be clear this is my position:
Whilst he is our manager, I will support him. I will not try and justify his actions or decisions, I don't know or pretend to know the reasons he makes his decisions.
Equally I will not stay quiet for long whilst others conduct ridiculous hate campaigns based on his appearance or his private life. If opposition fans want to do that, it is up to them, but my definition of a supporter is obviously different to yours.

20.) 23 Jun 2015 17:06:05
Spot on Ron. The decisions been made so spouting on a forum every day about the same stuff and hurling personal abuse at our manager just seems pointless. If you really cared write a letter to FSG. Otherwise you're just whining. why not just spend the time thinking of some genuine banter?

21.) 23 Jun 2015 10:17:45
ed002, i am in no way giving excuses for those posts. don't get me wrong, i know and read the site so i know what you mean. add the fact that i don't see what other posts you guys have to filter out, there's more that i don't know surely. But he is making that assumption based on what he reads on this site and the liverpool site.

all i'm saying is, how, have LFC been bad because of the fans? that's just illogical. in agreement to what AG said.

i have absolutely no reason to defend moronic posts, don't get me wrong.

{Ed002's Note - How would you feel as an owner, player, ex player, prospective player, manager, coach of a club where the fans constantly stream ill-informed abuse at everyone associated with the club. The daubing of abuse on the stadium? The threats made to the family of someone associated with the club? By a country mile, the worse there are.}

06 Apr 2015 06:25:48
Was reading an article about our loss to arsenal. Clueless writer says Sako is "awful on the ball" and" had no footballing ability what do ever". Guess some people in here firm their misguided opinion of players by reading shameful articles like this written by useless people with no knowledge of the game

1.) 06 Apr 2015 08:27:10
To be fair He did have a bad game along with the entire back line, goalkeeper and the rest of the team.
And We are awful on the ball when confidence is low

2.) 06 Apr 2015 09:38:22
when we concede 4 goals in a game, there is no point really at looking towards the good abilities of Sakho.

3.) 06 Apr 2015 09:46:56
I am sorry but our defence positioning has been terrible since Steve Clarke left and it's all about our manager asking them to pass it out from the back, so they are shifting about to make themselves available for a pass and if the play breaks down they are having to shift again to get back into position. We were found out early season when teams pressed Gerrard, Now teams press Can and Sakho and mark Coutinho out of the game.

4.) 06 Apr 2015 10:47:34
You need to watch or re-watch some of the defending when Clarke was involved. Conceding 3 goals in 10 minutes to a QPR side that finished in the bottom 3 or 4 was a real humdinger

22 Dec 2014 04:14:51
Small question for anyone who knows. When is Suso due to be back. I'd imagine sometime very soon.

03 Nov 2014 16:39:28
Just wanted to point something out. Joao Carlos Teixeira is doing quite well on loan. But what happens to him next season? I'm not trying to say he'll be a world beater by the time he returns but doesn't he deserve a chance to show he's up to playing for LFC. As it seems at the moment there looks to be no place for him what so ever in the squad and he's probably going to end up like Suso. So here's my issue : why send so many promising youngsters on loan if there is no clear plan for them. The entire set of players including the youth players seem to be being mis-managed at the moment and that is my biggest issue with the management (not just Rodgers)

28 Oct 2014 11:28:24
My main problem with Brendan at the moment is that he's managing to alienate so many of our players and making them feel unwanted including many if our youth players whose prospects have no doubt dropped after this summer's signing spree. Many good players like Suso, Sakho, Ilori and so on will no doubt soon want to take their talents else where. Also I understand that we needed players in the summer but why not sign experienced players at their peak who are mentally capable of handling pressure rather than promising youth. We are over flowing with promising youth from our academy so why not sign experienced players who can contribute right away and not block the emergance of our own youth players. A perfect example is Markovic'. Fir the money we got him for we could easily have signed a Lavezzi our maybe even Pedro who'll have immediate impact and arty the same time not block the path if players like Ibe and Wilson. No doubt Markovic is an outstanding talent who may become one if the best in the world but he wasn't what we needed. Haven't even mentioned the defence yet BTW

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29 Mar 2015 03:49:14
If lucas does leave i think we need to go for Sanson. in fact even if lucas doesn't we should try to sign him. Sanson is a gem of a player who plays in a style that is missing in our midfield

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