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29 Sep 2018 19:55:57
Whoever suggested that Chelsea are our bread and butter the other day needs to seriously reevaluate how much they spend on their bakery and dairy products.

I said at the beginning of the season that I thought Chelsea would be struggling for a while with adaptation to the new system, but I will hold my hands up now and say how wrong I was. They are a very impressive team. With or without Sarri, the way they can keep adapting to new managers styles and keep producing quality (albeit in alternate seasons recently) just shows the quality of the players they have at their disposal.

We did not deserve anything out of that game, in my opinion, and were saved by a strike which will be very difficult to better this season. No wonder Studge looked like the cat with all the cream. I don't think we were tactically out done, just that they were so unbelievably organised without the ball and moved it around with consummate ease when they did have it.

We certainly gave them a decent game, but just didn't seem to have the cutting edge needed in vital areas at vital times and Sarri seems to be perfectly made to be a top Premier League manager, getting his players working like clockwork in his system already.

There are most definitely three teams in this title race this season.

All that being said, six wins and a draw from seven matches is still an unbelievable start to the season. If we can match or better this result next week then the league is our oyster. As uninspiring as a draw is, results like that against top rivals can be pivotal in a championship winning season. Momentum isn't lost, the loss column still reads zero and we're joint top on points. Onwards and upwards!

Angry Bardzo

1.) 29 Sep 2018 20:11:50
I think we did deserve something and a draw was a fair result.


2.) 29 Sep 2018 20:18:53
Jorginho👍🏻
Sturridge👍🏻.


3.) 29 Sep 2018 20:19:04
You don’t think we deserved anything from a game in which we had more possession and more shots at goal? I disagree, a draw was the least that we deserved.


4.) 29 Sep 2018 20:24:13
We deserved to win.


5.) 29 Sep 2018 20:26:47
Well sarri said a draw was a fair result and we are an excellent team. I agree with him. Chelsea are title contenders though along with us and man city. Three horserace for me.


6.) 29 Sep 2018 20:28:28
Chelsea played well but it was a very even game and and yet another one with better final balls and finishing could easily have been a win for us.

Alisson baled us out a few times!


7.) 29 Sep 2018 20:32:17
Tough away game against a team who will be in with a shout of winning the league, so it’s a good point for us. Hopefully Madrid will hurry up and buy Hazard so we won’t have to face him in the league again!


8.) 29 Sep 2018 20:40:16
Hey Ed01, hope you enjoyed that mate! Look forward to your match review, whilst we were not perfect, i think we very much deserved the draw and overall i think it is a great point. Great teams always find a way to eek out a result, now i'm not saying we're great yet, but we are moving forwards in a positive direction. YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - it was a really good game, though it would have been better with a win!}


9.) 29 Sep 2018 20:53:29
No doubt we were the better team overall, and remembering that we were playing away from home you can’t really ask for more. They are a good team, but we were better. Not perfect, infact I would only give us a 7/ 10 on what we could have achieved. A loss would have flattered Chelsea way too much, we out played them and had the better chances.

Overall am disappointed with the 1 point but will take it and move on.

{Ed025's Note - fair result for me nick, both teams could have won the game but the goal from studge deserved at least a point mate..


10.) 29 Sep 2018 21:05:49
Two good teams going for the win draw was a fair result.

{Ed025's Note - it was a good game to watch as well squizza..


11.) 29 Sep 2018 21:16:26
We dominated.

If Salah was anywhere near 50% we walk away with a comfortable win there.

1 error by Gomez and Trent gave them that goal. No problem but that was it we were the better team.

{Ed025's Note - take the red tinted glasses off KB, alissons stop from the 1 on 1 with hazard was pivotal to liverpool even getting a point, a draw was fair result and most level headed supporters will agree..


12.) 29 Sep 2018 21:34:49
Draw was a fair result as either team could have won it.
I do fancy them at Anfield though.
Chelsea seemed organised whereas we looked a bit disjointed still, fancy us over the course of a season to finish above them because our team just seems to have that little bit more potential to me.


13.) 29 Sep 2018 21:38:16
More possession, more attempts at goal, more control of the ball. We deserved to win. But we didn't win because our finishing percentage was not good as theirs. So the draw can be seen as a fair result. And I'm sure our players see the draw at Stamford Bridge as a victory.


14.) 29 Sep 2018 21:43:46
Our lack of composure in the final 3rd continues. Last season we would have put away some of the clear cut chances.
That said, a draw away at Chelsea is a good result against a strong opponent.
Certainly Chelsea are not our 'bread and butter' team.


15.) 29 Sep 2018 22:03:08
I stopped reading at we didn’t deserve anything from the game. We created numerous chances and if anything deserved to win.
Chelsea created nothing other than catching us asleep during a restart after a free kick award.
They gave us a game as they should at home with the quality they have but we were the only team pushing and creating chances.
If we’d been more clinical we’d have won the game. To suggest anything else is ridiculous.


16.) 29 Sep 2018 22:14:28
We had the better chances and looked more threatening throughout.
There were a number of potential overloads where the wrong decision was taken. Story of the season and look at how well we’re doing still.
To have not got anything out of that game like Wednesday having been the better side in both games would have been gutting.
Thought Keita looked a lot sharper when he came on.
Only a matter of time before Salah starts scoring for fun again.


17.) 29 Sep 2018 22:18:55
I think if we want to talk about consistent bogey teams then united and Chelsea seem to be that for us, every time we’re in form and favourites to smash them it almost always backfires. Draw was the fair result even though on reflection we had more opportunities. It’s just a shame because a win would have made midweek less of a stupid decision. I think that was a cup we could have genuinely won if taken seriously. If we get results in our next two games then that will be forgotten pretty quickly.


18.) 29 Sep 2018 22:29:06
Since when does possession and shots have anything to do with being deserving of anything? We played to their system, not them to ours. They allowed us to have the ball without ever being too unduly worried about us doing anything dangerous with it. Sorry.

A draw at Stamford Bridge is nothing to be sniffed at, however, so it was a good result in what was a largely frustrating game. At no point did I feel we were right on top, causing mountains of pressure and in the end we were fortunate that Sturridge hit such a lovely strike to earn something from it.

I just say what I see, I’m not trying to berate the team or be controversial. If we’d have lost I wouldn’t have been at all shocked.


19.) 29 Sep 2018 22:35:29
two even teams for me. individual execution got the points for both teams.


20.) 29 Sep 2018 23:01:21
Fair result. Build up play for Hazards goal was great. Sturridge proving he’s still got his eye for goal, even if the pace has gone. I think Salah needs a rest, looks devoid of confidence.


21.) 29 Sep 2018 23:15:46
So you missed them clearing it off the line twice and Big Shaq missing a sitter? And what about the top draw save from Kepa. Salah cutting in on his left and not hitting the target where normally he’d bury it? We strive for situations like that.
It’s Chelsea away you’re not going to create bag fulls of chances but the chances we had were far better than theirs and we had more of them. Had we been more clinical we’d have won easily.
Don’t get me wrong I’m happy with a draw away at Chelsea but if you’re saying it as you see it you must’ve had you eyes closed for most of the game. It could’ve and probably should’ve been more.


22.) 29 Sep 2018 23:29:36
Take a point at a resurgent Chelsea today. We could have won they could of won. Both keepers proved there worth. Allison earned us a point today 2 great saves. Sturridge is a great option from the bench, bravo to him. The front 3 aren't tuned in with each other yet, only a matter of time hopefully. The match reminded me a little of the Rafa Jose era 2 evenly matched sides only 2 completely different characters in the dug outs.


23.) 29 Sep 2018 23:40:38
Pretty even game, suprised how Chelsea never had a period of dominance to put us under the kosh but that was probably because they took a fairly early lead. I thought we looked the much more threatening team throughout but the best chances fell to Chelsea with Alisson pulling off 2 good saves from 1 on 1s. In the end a decent result which feels all the better as we got a late equaliser, wonder when the last time Chelsea have drawn with us at home yet see it as a good result? Shows where we are at.


24.) 30 Sep 2018 00:07:15
It also shows how Chelsea have a squad of players who quiet happily spit there dummies out to get a manager the sack.


25.) 30 Sep 2018 00:53:18
Look, if someone had have shown me the stats without me watching it I would probably have said we deserved to win. If I just watched the MOTD highlights without watching I may have said Liverpool deserved at least a draw, but the way the game panned out we were struggling to create and control. We had a handful of very good chances, but so do most teams in every game and still not many go in. Otherwise most games would end up 6 all. The way it played out we were clutching at chances and never barraged them at any point.

Teams do it all the time. Get a goal and defend it. Just because the other team has most of the ball and is trying to attack does not mean they deserve anything out of the game in the end. Italian football was based on that ethos. You don’t have a right to anything just because you are more proactive. I’m not saying a draw was outrageous, just that Chelsea’s plan worked, or was working better than ours.

I’m very happy with the result in the end and considering most people seemed to think three points was a given, I’m definitely not complaining. I just think an 80 odd minute wonder strike to equalise against a very well organised team is hardly a measure of deserving anything.

Did anybody truly think, with ten minutes to go that that goal was coming? Because I didnt. That’s all. It wasnt a bad performance, just Chelsea managed to stifle us pretty damn well.


26.) 30 Sep 2018 01:05:31
Cobra how is 2 goal line clearances where we actually beat their keeper a worse chance than a 1 on 1 with a keeper? Willian’s wasn’t even a great chance as by the time he’d got the ball under control Alisson was on top of him.
Hazard’s was a good chance but no better than Salah’s 1on 1, Mane’s header, Bobby’s header (from 4 yards out) or Shaq’s wild slice.
I despair sometimes I really do. Too many so called Liverpool fans choose to praise the opposition whilst completely ignoring the good things we do.


27.) 30 Sep 2018 01:07:51
Nah. I enjoyed the game, and I agreed with those two managers; both deserved a point. What a game!


28.) 30 Sep 2018 01:14:52
"We did not deserve anything from the game". OP, ever heard of the pfrase "Alternative facts"? If not, your post is a living example of such a thing. Also, you sound bitter that we got a point in a game where even Sarri said that a draw was a fair result. I can provide you with a pacifier to suck on so you can blow of steam. Your post makes no sense. Even Sarri the Chelsea manager, disagrees with you.


29.) 30 Sep 2018 05:40:41
So basically Bardzo you are saying that because we didn’t totally dominate the game cutting our opponent open at will then we didn’t deserve anything from the game? This was an away game against the team third in the league with one of the best players in the world and we had more of the ball and I can think of at least 5 occasions where we should/ could have scored.


30.) 30 Sep 2018 06:22:03
Angry, we were playing away mate. At a very good side, the shed is a hard place to go. We weren't out played at all. I don't know what game you watched but we controlled large parts of the game. Chelsea also had some good spells, but we carved out more goal scoring chances. Yes our keeper made some some good saves and that is why we paid 60mil for him. There keeper was in action too.

We controlled the game at a field too and we're the better side imo, hazard scored a great goal, that is shy Chelsea pay him so much and Danny done the business last night and that's why we pay him.

Liverpoil's style isn't about holding onto the ball for ten minutes, it's to win the ball quick and transition to attack as quick as possible but while thinking too, there has to be caution.

At the end of the day, we went down to London and shut the chelsea up with a wonder goal, we held em out and ran em around. With a bit of composure we could have been 3 1 up at half time.

Chelsea are a good team, I think they will do well. The manager is letting them play football instead of being regimental. And this is what you need to do when you have a group of the worlds best players. Let's face it Chelsea have money. But, I think we will take em at anfield next time. Liverpool aren't playing as well as they can and I think we have a few new big faces in the dressing room, it'll click soon and we will be blowing teams away again, by then it'll be Chelsea again and I think we'll do them.

The positive thing us we are still joint top on points, top of league in champions league. This was a tough run of games but we done well I think. Not 100% but I'm still pleased and positive.

I predicted a Liverpool rout, but it was part bravado, and positive thinking, part belief. We have seen liverpool batter many teams in the klopp era, it feels like every other game we win 3 4 5 even 6/ 7 nil 1 2 fair play Chelsea are good and they have hazard but we have salah, and he is not in form but still scored 3, he will kick in.

{Ed001's Note - I don't see how you can be considered not to have created good chances when two shots have to be cleared off the line by defenders?}


31.) 30 Sep 2018 06:27:17
draw fair result lads no doubt about it. Allison kept us in it on 2 or 3 occasions! Chelsea are a very good side with a manager implementing his style quickly and the players are loving it it seems! anyone think the further they stay in the Europa league the more it might effect their league form?


32.) 30 Sep 2018 06:36:11
A draw was a fair result. Alisson made a couple of one-on-one saves, we had the ball cleared off the line twice, Shaqiri miss a sitter, and Salah fail to do better with a number of decent chances first half. Overall a draw was fair, do not think we deserved to lose - we just left it late, that's all. Think we have shown signs of a strong mentality this season - letting Paris SG back into the game but still pushing on and getting the win; pushing and pushing against Chelsea until scoring late on - really good signs for us that we are showing some mental toughness, it is an important attribute as any and, if we have our eyes on the league, is something we will need to have for the entire season.


33.) 30 Sep 2018 07:02:10
Bobby Blinders- they where both through on goal 1 on 1 with plenty of time to compose themselves before striking, much easier chances at the time of shooting imo. What happens after shooting doesn’t make the chance any easier/ harder, it’s like saying Sturridges goal was a better chance because it went in.
Don’t see how this makes me a so-called fan? i have called the game as I saw it, we looked more threatening but a draw was probably a fair result, the general consensus on here and by pundits. How have i failed to see what we have done and shown a bias for Chelsea?

{Ed025's Note - take no notice of bobby cobra you are totally correct, the result was a fair reflection of the game and anyone who thinks different either needs to take off the red tinted specs or start watching another sport, other teams fans call you the deluded ones and at times i can see why, show some humility FFS and give chelsea the credit they deserve in what was an entertaining even game..


34.) 30 Sep 2018 10:34:37
You clearly can’t say anything against Liverpool or Liverpool results on here because people are so shortsighted. If that was a Man Utd performance you’d all say they were very fortunate to come away with anything and only scored a very lucky goal. Just saying.

Bobby’s Blinders the fact that you stopped reading my first comment but still deigned to carry on the conversation shows you’ve got no interest in understanding the whole of something, just that you had to defend the team regardless. Some people may call that commendable, I call it ignorant.

BRover, go back on holiday, preferably somewhere that doesn’t turn you into a complete **** this time.

{Ed001's Note - was it a lucky goal considering Studger tried the exact same thing midweek but hit the bar? Also would it not be considered lucky that they were able to clear two shots off the line? On another day they are in the back of the net as the defender doesn't get back. Luck is getting a goal when it was clearly offside but it not being given or something like that. Not when you have attempted something you like to do.}


35.) 30 Sep 2018 09:14:17
My problem wasn’t that a draw was a fair result Ed my problem was that Cobra seems to think that the 2 1 on 1’s that Chelsea had were better chances than when we actually beat their keeper twice and they scrambled it of the line! How can that be?
Perhaps it’s you that should take your blue tinted glasses off and admit that we had the best of the game, forced Chelsea to play a different style and if anyone deserved to win it was us as we created more chances and our chances were of a better quality than theirs.
I’m happy with a draw and overall you could say it was fair because it came late but even the Chelsea players and manager said we should’ve scored before we did.

{Ed025's Note - to suggest that because you had more of the ball you deserved to win is the ridiculous thing bobby, in law possession may be 9/10ths of the law but in footy it means sweet FA mate, both teams had chances to win it and who had the better ones is of course subjective, a draw was the correct and fair result and to suggest anything else is pure bias..


36.) 30 Sep 2018 11:05:20
Angry I couldn’t be bothered reading you trying to justify a ridiculous statement like that. You’re wrong, plain and simple.
Calling me ignorant doesn’t change that.


37.) 30 Sep 2018 11:36:59
Ah no, Ed. I wasn’t calling it luck, it was magnificent. I was just saying that if the shoe was on another foot there are a lot of people on here who would call it luck just because it went against Liverpool. If that result was the exact opposite way round, i’m pretty sure that a lot of people who disagreed with me would say, “We were robbed”, not that they saw that the goal was coming.

Firstly BB, opinions of this nature can’t be wrong, that’s why they’re called opinions. To suggest so shows you haven’t the intelligence to sustain a healthy debate without resorting to rights and wrongs. The ignorance stems from you’re being unwilling to grasp an argument before jumping on it. It’s that closed mindedness that definitely sets you out as being ignorant in the matter.


38.) 30 Sep 2018 11:40:42
It was tight Ed but all I said was if anyone deserved to win we did.
I’ve never once mentioned possession it was more the chances we created and our overall attitude to win the game. They had one good move that they scored from and 2 other chances from a long ball and a restart after a dubious free kick award.
We created 4 other clear cut chances that we actually had to create as they were camped.
Anyway I’ll take a draw, have a good Sunday mate and you Angry. No hard feelings mate.

{Ed025's Note - we all have our opinion i suppose bobby mate..


39.) 30 Sep 2018 13:53:07
Yep fair enough, mate and to you.


40.) 30 Sep 2018 18:13:19
Badzo, your being a little to pragmatic in your assessment maybe over compensating trying no to show bias which I understand, but look at the game objectively and a draw was the least we deserved.

Chelsea are a top team and well organised, but they weren't totally controlling the game before they scored it was pretty even maybe we were shading it, then they score a fantastic goal and sat on it.

Now if we were away to a Huddersfield or Cardiff then yes you could say they played really well and deserved a point, but this is a top Chelsea side with some of the world's top players playing at home and we created some fantastic chances and chances so clear cut that we arguably should of won that game, it turned into an attack v defence game with them trying to hit us on the break which they did sparingly after there goal, I was disappointed with them to be honest because after the goal they played in the main like plucky underdogs.

Look its a game of opinions and I've said here how I saw it, maybe I'm being biased I don't know, but I've tried to call it how I saw it and I think we deserved the win and I was a little disappointed with Chelsea's approach after the goal, your more than entitled to your opinion but as I've said, maybe your being a little harsh on us as to suggest Chelsea deserved the win.


41.) 30 Sep 2018 18:13:24
Chelsea have some brilliant players and I know Sarri from a good 3 years! He comes form the same school that Klopp, Pep and Poch has come from. The Beilsa school of attacking football!
Don’t write them off!


42.) 30 Sep 2018 18:14:19
I just don’t think we restricted them as much as they allowed us to play. We’ve seen it time and time again from this team that we may have lots of the ball, but fail to show enough to get the win. We just played to the system of Chelsea more than they played to ours.

We were far from awful and a draw at Stamford Bridge is always a very good result, but aside from a couple of misses from Salah and Shakiri and a couple of good saves and blocks we were struggling to get anything near our fluid best and creating clear cut chances. Of course, on another day we could have had a few, but then so could Chelsea, with Alisson saving us on more than one occasion.

Maybe a draw was fair, I just think we were fortunate to come away with one as the game panned out.


43.) 30 Sep 2018 18:15:46
Ariz made a crucial save against mane if I remember.

Salah shanked 2 very good chance. Cocked up 2 easy passes. Made he wrong choice about 3 times.

Rudiger made a crucial block to keep us out, Luiz made a crucial block to stop bobby.

Sorry ed we dominated all over the park from possession to chances.

We weren't st our best so Chelsea got something but they where at there best and only got a point.


44.) 30 Sep 2018 18:17:30
Great game. leagues 2 most expensive keepers proved their worth tonight. brilliant.


45.) 30 Sep 2018 18:15:57
Why is this all sudden praise for Chelsea lol? A few days ago they were destined to doom by December 😎.
People will now take Sarri a more seriously!


46.) 30 Sep 2018 22:33:45
Fair enough Waro. I can’t really argue with any of that. I’m not trying to be overly unbiased either, it was just my feelings straight after the game. I have come to expect a lot of this team and my overriding emotion straight after the game was relief that we had actually managed to get a goal somehow after what was a frustrating and unenjoyable game as a Liverpool fan.

In hindsight maybe a draw was the fairest result, it just didn't feel like we were going to get one at the time.


 

 

27 Sep 2018 23:46:45
Jebus! I miss one day, that one being after a defeat and find the site has gone into meltdown. It's ok folks. We lost. It was an even game that could have gone either way. We had a makeshift back four and a mingling of others who haven't started a game together this season and after a shaky start, did well as the game progressed.

We all know that the team put out was not our first team, but it was still better than any other second string we have been able to field in a long time, playing against a very good team in Chelsea. We conceded a typical goal that we used to concede with that defence and then Hazard got a worldie, albeit bamboozling the world class left back we have in reserve. He'll do that to lots of teams this season.

We clearly wanted to win, but let's not pretend it was the be all and end all. It was the least important of the four competitions, so we move on, dust ourselves down and go again.

Angry Bardzo

1.) 28 Sep 2018 02:31:12
Maybe I've been reading the wrong page? I haven't seen the site go into meltdown. Yes, you'll always get a few over reactions, but on the whole, I think most responses have been realistic, that we played ok but lost a close one, it happens.
I know Ed002 thinks the majority of LFC fans are excuse making denialists, but that's not what I see. That said, I don't get to see all the posts that don't make it to the pages that the Ed's filter out, so I may be very wrong. I hope not, as most on here seem quite level headed and I enjoy fellow reds opinions almost as much as the invaluable info we get from Ed001 and 002 in particular.


2.) 28 Sep 2018 08:16:16
I actually think it will knit the team together. Put an end to the selfish glory hunting. Winning is what matters, not who scores the most goals, who the fans love more. This brilliant team has now tasted defeat (to a pretty average Chelsea imo) we should have been 3 up at half time, and I think it will motivate the boys.


3.) 28 Sep 2018 09:40:01
Ok, maybe not meltdown, but it seems there has been so much more activity after that defeat than after any of the wins. It’s like no body can quite believe we’re not going a whole season unbeaten.


4.) 28 Sep 2018 15:29:12
Haven't really read a lot of responses but I haven't seen anything to warrant calling it a meltdown, you'll probably find that the few negative responses to the defeat were from certain posters who have criticised Jurgen in the past and secretly would like to be proved right. We lost it happens, we probably shaded the game but a draw would probably of been the fairest result but we lost to a clear offside goal which was bottled by whoever reviewed the decision then a wonder goal.

I was pleased with the performance overall, with so many changes it was hardly surprising that it took us half an hour to get into any kind of rhythm. Shaqiri was outstanding, his first touch and vision were worth the entrance fee alone. All in all, lots of positives but an unfortunate result.


5.) 28 Sep 2018 15:34:18
Hardly anything to do with the result. If anything it showed the lack of depth in key areas! Full backs and Center backs. We are one Robertson injury away from finishing 6th.


6.) 28 Sep 2018 23:21:23
Spot on, Waro. OP, I haven't read any over the top comments myself BUT to each his own. Harry, I disagree on the lack of depth at CB. At FB, I agree with you completely BUT not at CB. Matip was playing his 2nd game since preseason while Lovs is yet to play a game since the WC esp. with NO preseason so what were you expecting both CB's to do here playing together for the first time in a couple of months? For the same partnership effectively as VVD/ Gomez who have been playing together since preseason? Come on, man please stop with the constant needling. If you thought that the makeshift back 5 who have not played as a unit EVER, were not going to struggle a bit to settle during the game then I suggest you use a lot more nuance to analyse games cos your post opinion on this topic, severely lacks it.


 

 

06 Sep 2018 18:10:56
Hi Ed001, hope you are well. I was watching the Man City documentary and heard Guardiola mention rondo several times. I know you're a massive fan of Cruyff, have great tactical knowledge, and love an article or two, so is there any chance you could do a write up on what rondo is or means, and how it came about?

I thought it might actually be quite an interesting series to get an insight of tactics. You know, like about gegenpressing, how it works, why it works, what doesn't etc. We think it means simply closing down the opposition or doing intricate passing, but obviously it is so much more. Even parking the bus is more than just sticking 11 men behind the ball.
Cheers.

Angry Bardzo

{Ed001's Note - it was already on the list of topics for the future mate. So yes I will be doing it when I get round to it. It just takes time sadly.}


1.) 06 Sep 2018 22:55:11
Ah cool. Yea I wasnt expecting anything soon, just thought it was a good idea. Cheers Ed.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 10:02:22
I was reading yesterday that there were 108 signings made by premier league clubs this transfer window and 25 made on deadline day alone. The 108 is the lowest for at least 5 summer windows with there being a decline every year since 2014.

I can't remember who I heard it from from, but on the H and J show on Talksport they were speaking to various people (agents, journalists etc) and they asked one of them why there are so many last minute (or day) deals, not expecting price to necessarily be an issue. He said infact the sticking point for most deals is agents fees where more often than not, everything is agreed but the agents themselves are holding out for the best deal for themselves, only conceding to a lower fee when time is ebbing away.

So, a couple of questions for the eds, if I may. Is the issue with agents fees having as much impact on signings throughout the summer as was suggested and what else would cause these deals to take until the last minute?

Why are agents still unregulated? I know that nobody but agents really wants agents to be part of football, but seeing as all they really do is leech money from the game why is it still possible for them to be able to command such fees?

Cheers.

Angry Bardzo

1.) 10 Aug 2018 10:56:26
Good question 👍.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 11:27:16
You might find a connection between clubs who get their signings in nice and early with how much they spend on agent fees as well.

{Ed002's Note - Just to answer the questions, (a) sometimes agent fees represent their doing other activities, such as negotiating transfer; sometimes they are a fixed percentage of the transfer fee so clubs who have to overpay significantly then get hit again (b) they are not unregulated.}


3.) 10 Aug 2018 12:02:42
I'm not too sure nobody wants agents, I would guess the footballers they represent are happy enough for them to be around.

{Ed025's Note - they will be rover, but they are bleeding the game dry mate..


4.) 10 Aug 2018 13:44:39
Cheers for your answers Eds and posts guys. Yes I remember now that they have to be part of a register, but as far as I am aware, it's not much more than that? I'm probably wrong again on that point too, though what I meant is when Raiola can earn pretty much half of the value of the Pogba transfer fee on top of that amount and all the other associated costs, surely it would encourage football clubs, at least, to come together and sort out the situation so that couldn't happen. A percentage, fine, like 0.5% maybe. There is no one that can tell me that any agent does a big enough, good enough or useful enough job to justify even earning close to a million in a year, let alone the rest that a lot of these guys earn. Cap their earnings, use FA intermediaries instead, whatever, but don't let what amounts to self interested promoters have such a large influence and bearing on the transfer market. Surely that's just logical?


5.) 10 Aug 2018 15:07:21
An FA intermediary is an interesting idea for transfers, wouldn’t kill off agents though, who’s going to negotiate image rights and sponsorship for dandruff shampoo and the like?

{Ed002's Note - To answer the previous question it is a great deal more than being on a register. Using the Mino and Pogba example is poitless - it is the single most extreme situation that has ever occurred. It has nothing to do with the FAs at all - it is not their business and they have zero expertise in such matters.}


 

 

29 Jul 2018 20:06:55
From a redemption perspective, I really hope Sturridge has a good season for us. He's probably my favourite English player to watch, with his quick feet and quick brain, he is as technically gifted as any player I've seen in an England shirt and as a Liverpool player, there aren't many better either. I really feel for him with his injuries and whether it's him being a wimp or not trusting his body or just being solely unlucky, I really hope he is over it now. Obviously recovery takes its toll but he hasn't really played that much for a 28 year old, so if by some chance he can put injuries behind him or at least manage them, there's a good few years of potential top level play in him. Being a back up with properly managed game time could be just what we and him need. Klopp likes him, he likes being at the club and is genuinely of enough quality to trust as a deputy for Firmino, if his body holds out that is.

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1.) 29 Jul 2018 20:24:50
Fully agree with this. His natural talent is outstanding he's just got a pure feel for the game. Really hope he stays fit because he offers something different to bobby, salah and mane.


2.) 29 Jul 2018 20:33:01
I don't think there are many in the world right now that is more "sink or swim". He "could" be the perfect backup, as he has it in his brain and has the quality in his skills required. It could either be an amazing season for him, and by that I mean, playing 35-40% of the available minutes and showing a decent return of assists and goals, or it could be the opposite. i. e. only gets a handful of chances and doesn't materialise on any of them. I think his first 2 or 3 outings are so imperative to him, or Klopp will lose faith in him being an option.


3.) 29 Jul 2018 21:03:51
How many times do we go around the sturridge round about though? Nobody doubts his talent. But I think he will never be a full season player ever.


4.) 29 Jul 2018 21:16:42
LFC8. I did state that an amazing season for him would be playing 35-40% of available minutes. I think everyone knows that he's not a full season player anymore. Even under the pressure Klopp will be under to deliver results now, you have to admire that he's still got "some" faith that Sturridge is of value.


5.) 29 Jul 2018 21:18:00
He doesn’t need to be an ‘every hame’ Player, just perform and stay reasonably fit when he’s called upon. OGS played a winning part for the mancs on a part time basis - wouldn’t mind if he followed that model.


6.) 29 Jul 2018 22:13:55
That's exactly what I mean guys. He's unlikely to be a first name on the sheet type player ever again, or at least any time soon and I think he'll probably be realising that now. He looks cheerful, even though he knows he won't be first choice and could be a major asset at important times. He's on amazing wages currently, but is coming towards the end of his deal. I can see him eventually taking a cut to stay in a setup that will be in the hunt for trophies but where he won't be expected to be the main man. It is all conjecture, but having an experienced, quality pro as a squad player is never a bad thing.


 

 

 

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11 Sep 2018 10:19:44
If the West Ham owners weren’t so greasy and didn’t appear to just have money making in mind, I don't think the fans would mind about the London Stadium so much. If they spend 100million a year on players and start moving up the league then I think they’d be a lot happier about the situation. Personally I reckon the amount they spent this year was meant to last for the next 3 or 4 with a couple of cheap deals here and there to sustain it.

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31 Aug 2018 21:41:50
Blimey Ed. Someone's after a wooden spoon for Christmas. You're stirring yours down to the nub! ;)

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29 Aug 2018 13:22:11
The premise of needing another player to make you look good is exactly what stops you from being that good.

I am always amazed that some people need these things explaining to them.

Trophies won is never a way judge the quality of a player. Ever. There are some awful ones that have won several trophies and some amazing players that have won none.

It's the sort of argument that Man Utd and Chelsea fans throw at Liverpool fans to show why our players aren't that good.

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06 Aug 2018 17:06:14
Doh! Kirkby* (autocorrect)

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06 Aug 2018 15:19:49
I'm not saying we need to sign anyone else, by the way. Just reiterating Kirby's and BB's points.

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08 Nov 2018 18:18:20
Cheers Ed but definitely not cheating. No attempt to con the ref and not his job to do the work of the officials when they get something wrong. There are so few examples of anybody speaking up when wrong decisions are made that no one should expect Sterling to be the one to start, especially when Guardiola would likely have given him a rollicking for doing so. Whether right or wrong, I think we just have to accept that in football people take what they can get away with. It is a very far cry between deliberately attempting to mislead the ref and simply staying quiet when a mistake has been made.

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06 Nov 2018 18:07:53
One, two / give and go / out from the back.

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06 Nov 2018 18:04:02
That’s what we have a squad for. Unless, of course, you would prefer these players to be completely short of any match fitness when they are inevitably needed later on in the season. It’s not like we’re playing PSG or Napoli tonight.

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06 Nov 2018 18:00:52
I’ll not take you to task here, Stone, but just to say there should be zero link in my mind between political standpoints and country of residence and therefore, employment. It is not a political statement not to wear a poppy, but to wear one in the first place and I think we all forget that just because it is the done thing, does not mean it is the right thing for everybody to do. I come from a family with strong links to the forces so I wear my poppy with pride, but I find it sad that anyone should even have to explain why they don’t wear one. It is their prerogative.

We are not a collective existence, all meant to follow the same sets of beliefs and ideas, otherwise we would have evolved symbiotically like fungi, or manowar jellyfish, passing nutrients and information to each other through nothing but contact. Modern phenomenons such as Twitter and Facebook are trying their best to change all that, forcing people to think in the same, dull, grey manner and generally castigating those who think differently or use their own experiences to determine their own thoughts instead of tapping into the collective dumbness.

I think Matic should be applauded, personally. His stance hopefully makes people think about the subject, the poppy itself and what it stands for rather than just to wear one because it’s what we all do in November.

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03 Nov 2018 12:59:06
Ugh. Let’s wait and see if this definitely happens and then wait for the format before throwing toys out of the pram in the name of morality. At the end of the day, its a sport within an entertainment industry (or vice versa), not a political regime.
It won’t kill football because believe it or not, those breakaway clubs will still need footballers to be produced to a sufficient standard.

There will always be professional football, just in a different guise. I think it’s pretty arrogant to think that removing 5 or 6 clubs from English football will kill the passion of the supporters of the rest of the teams. Personally I think it could even make for a better a more even English competition. Look at the support for college football in the USA, for example, even in the face of a limited set number of AFC and NFC teams getting the vast majority of exposure and air time.

If it destroys it too much, people could always form Liverpool City FC so they can still rub shoulders with little Tommy and old widow McBurney on the terraces.

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