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06 Sep 2018 18:10:56
Hi Ed001, hope you are well. I was watching the Man City documentary and heard Guardiola mention rondo several times. I know you're a massive fan of Cruyff, have great tactical knowledge, and love an article or two, so is there any chance you could do a write up on what rondo is or means, and how it came about?

I thought it might actually be quite an interesting series to get an insight of tactics. You know, like about gegenpressing, how it works, why it works, what doesn't etc. We think it means simply closing down the opposition or doing intricate passing, but obviously it is so much more. Even parking the bus is more than just sticking 11 men behind the ball.
Cheers.

Angry Bardzo

{Ed001's Note - it was already on the list of topics for the future mate. So yes I will be doing it when I get round to it. It just takes time sadly.}


1.) 06 Sep 2018 22:55:11
Ah cool. Yea I wasnt expecting anything soon, just thought it was a good idea. Cheers Ed.


 

 

10 Aug 2018 10:02:22
I was reading yesterday that there were 108 signings made by premier league clubs this transfer window and 25 made on deadline day alone. The 108 is the lowest for at least 5 summer windows with there being a decline every year since 2014.

I can't remember who I heard it from from, but on the H and J show on Talksport they were speaking to various people (agents, journalists etc) and they asked one of them why there are so many last minute (or day) deals, not expecting price to necessarily be an issue. He said infact the sticking point for most deals is agents fees where more often than not, everything is agreed but the agents themselves are holding out for the best deal for themselves, only conceding to a lower fee when time is ebbing away.

So, a couple of questions for the eds, if I may. Is the issue with agents fees having as much impact on signings throughout the summer as was suggested and what else would cause these deals to take until the last minute?

Why are agents still unregulated? I know that nobody but agents really wants agents to be part of football, but seeing as all they really do is leech money from the game why is it still possible for them to be able to command such fees?

Cheers.

Angry Bardzo

1.) 10 Aug 2018 10:56:26
Good question 👍.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 11:27:16
You might find a connection between clubs who get their signings in nice and early with how much they spend on agent fees as well.

{Ed002's Note - Just to answer the questions, (a) sometimes agent fees represent their doing other activities, such as negotiating transfer; sometimes they are a fixed percentage of the transfer fee so clubs who have to overpay significantly then get hit again (b) they are not unregulated.}


3.) 10 Aug 2018 12:02:42
I'm not too sure nobody wants agents, I would guess the footballers they represent are happy enough for them to be around.

{Ed025's Note - they will be rover, but they are bleeding the game dry mate..


4.) 10 Aug 2018 13:44:39
Cheers for your answers Eds and posts guys. Yes I remember now that they have to be part of a register, but as far as I am aware, it's not much more than that? I'm probably wrong again on that point too, though what I meant is when Raiola can earn pretty much half of the value of the Pogba transfer fee on top of that amount and all the other associated costs, surely it would encourage football clubs, at least, to come together and sort out the situation so that couldn't happen. A percentage, fine, like 0.5% maybe. There is no one that can tell me that any agent does a big enough, good enough or useful enough job to justify even earning close to a million in a year, let alone the rest that a lot of these guys earn. Cap their earnings, use FA intermediaries instead, whatever, but don't let what amounts to self interested promoters have such a large influence and bearing on the transfer market. Surely that's just logical?


5.) 10 Aug 2018 15:07:21
An FA intermediary is an interesting idea for transfers, wouldn’t kill off agents though, who’s going to negotiate image rights and sponsorship for dandruff shampoo and the like?

{Ed002's Note - To answer the previous question it is a great deal more than being on a register. Using the Mino and Pogba example is poitless - it is the single most extreme situation that has ever occurred. It has nothing to do with the FAs at all - it is not their business and they have zero expertise in such matters.}


 

 

29 Jul 2018 20:06:55
From a redemption perspective, I really hope Sturridge has a good season for us. He's probably my favourite English player to watch, with his quick feet and quick brain, he is as technically gifted as any player I've seen in an England shirt and as a Liverpool player, there aren't many better either. I really feel for him with his injuries and whether it's him being a wimp or not trusting his body or just being solely unlucky, I really hope he is over it now. Obviously recovery takes its toll but he hasn't really played that much for a 28 year old, so if by some chance he can put injuries behind him or at least manage them, there's a good few years of potential top level play in him. Being a back up with properly managed game time could be just what we and him need. Klopp likes him, he likes being at the club and is genuinely of enough quality to trust as a deputy for Firmino, if his body holds out that is.

Angry Bardzo

1.) 29 Jul 2018 20:24:50
Fully agree with this. His natural talent is outstanding he's just got a pure feel for the game. Really hope he stays fit because he offers something different to bobby, salah and mane.


2.) 29 Jul 2018 20:33:01
I don't think there are many in the world right now that is more "sink or swim". He "could" be the perfect backup, as he has it in his brain and has the quality in his skills required. It could either be an amazing season for him, and by that I mean, playing 35-40% of the available minutes and showing a decent return of assists and goals, or it could be the opposite. i. e. only gets a handful of chances and doesn't materialise on any of them. I think his first 2 or 3 outings are so imperative to him, or Klopp will lose faith in him being an option.


3.) 29 Jul 2018 21:03:51
How many times do we go around the sturridge round about though? Nobody doubts his talent. But I think he will never be a full season player ever.


4.) 29 Jul 2018 21:16:42
LFC8. I did state that an amazing season for him would be playing 35-40% of available minutes. I think everyone knows that he's not a full season player anymore. Even under the pressure Klopp will be under to deliver results now, you have to admire that he's still got "some" faith that Sturridge is of value.


5.) 29 Jul 2018 21:18:00
He doesn’t need to be an ‘every hame’ Player, just perform and stay reasonably fit when he’s called upon. OGS played a winning part for the mancs on a part time basis - wouldn’t mind if he followed that model.


6.) 29 Jul 2018 22:13:55
That's exactly what I mean guys. He's unlikely to be a first name on the sheet type player ever again, or at least any time soon and I think he'll probably be realising that now. He looks cheerful, even though he knows he won't be first choice and could be a major asset at important times. He's on amazing wages currently, but is coming towards the end of his deal. I can see him eventually taking a cut to stay in a setup that will be in the hunt for trophies but where he won't be expected to be the main man. It is all conjecture, but having an experienced, quality pro as a squad player is never a bad thing.


 

 

25 Jul 2018 18:14:02
Right one for all you old fogeys/ fogies? The ones with bi-focal rose tinted and spanking new mega specs, not just the 'everything was better in my day' fogeys.

Basically, yesterday on Talksport the archetypal walking, talking, tabloid spouting armpit that is Bob Mills (I used to like him, but listening to him just makes me more stupiderer but not as much as Cascarino and Parlour) was waxing lyrical about the late (great? ) Paul Madeley, RIP. I was intrigued to hear that he was apparently jack and master of all trades. One of those play anywhere and be one of the best in his position type players. I would say I have a pretty good footballing knowledge, but until then I'd never heard of him. Now, considering this was at a time when Don Revie was managing Leeds and they were back to back champions of England and European Cup semi finalists, this got me thinking.

We often hear about these amazing players and teams from yesteryear, kicking lumps out of eachother on fields akin to lava plains whilst gliding across the surface and riding tackles like Bart Simpson on a skateboard. It's easy to remember these teams as being truly world class and that teams nowadays couldn't hold a candle to them but is that really the case?

Take Madeley as a case in point. To be playing for arguably one of the best, if not the best, team in England at the time and not getting moved about to fit in, but to enhance the area of the pitch you were positioned in, you have to be some player. There are very few players who could do that nowadays. Milner, maybe. Gerrard would have been one of the best on the pitch whichever position he got put in (which is why he'll always come top of the Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard debate for me, but that's a different story), but he wasn't played all over mainly because he was best affecting games, not filling in at right back and hoping for the best from the other attackers. What I'm getting at is if you can fill in anywhere (and not just fill in, he played over 700 times for Leeds), but not be a household name what does that say about the standard of football then? I'm not criticising, I wasn't born, it's a genuine question.

The other thing that makes me wonder about comparisons. The all conquering Liverpool teams of the 70's and 80's were made up vastly of British players. I'm not going to compare international and domestic football, but I will say that, judging by the success of the home nations back then and comparing it to now there isn't to much difference, Scotland aside, having fallen by the wayside. These world beating domestic players still weren't the huge international stars that you would expect.

Dalglish is supposedly our best ever player. I have no doubt that he was magnificent for his time, but would he really be the best player in today's Liverpool team? Would Paisley's European giants have won the Premier League? Or, were they simply the best players available from a pool of British talent not yet awash with foreign imports?

I can well imagine that watching any of the best teams of the 60s, 70s and 80s was a joy to behold, but were they so good because the opposition was so poor by comparison and the deficiencies in sport science, by today's standards? Obviously, we will never know. I just wondered what people's thoughts were.

Angry Bardzo

{Ed002's Note - MIlls is a comedian, bright and interesting and gets on well when imbibing with a Millwall supporting buddy of mine. If evolution had not driven "some" Liverpool fans down the knuckledragger route and the still had the old sense of humour perhaps they would understand.}


1.) 25 Jul 2018 21:35:07
Ed002, Bob Mills is brilliant. ‘In bed with me dinner’ is one of my favourite television shows ever. I tend to think if people don’t get his wit, then irony and sarcasm isn’t for them.


2.) 25 Jul 2018 22:14:57
Mills grates on most people I know, he talks complete she*p.

{Ed002's Note - As a Liverpool supporter that is probably your view on absolutely everything.}


3.) 25 Jul 2018 22:32:29
Personally I find today’s footballers over managed/ coached players are like robots in many respects drilled to do the exact thing depending where they are and where the ball is. The modern game is played on carpets, compared to battle fields of 70s and 80s. You’d struggle now to be top footballer without being an elite athlete. Players of the past were working class, done things like you and me you could relate to them more. Players in the 70s and 80s managed a game way better, they could change things without looking to bench for help! Dalglish was unbelievable with his back to goal he was without equal, his ability to bring others into play was uncannot and watch some of his goals, his finishing was top draw.


4.) 25 Jul 2018 22:42:30
I know ed. I enjoy his stand up and like his wry sense of humour, but he is on Talksport nearly everyday now and that has tainted him, in my eyes. He spouts some nonsense that you would expect from a loud mouthed buffoon that reads the red tops and takes it as gospel. When he sticks to the sort of material that his career has been built on, he is as entertaining as usual. Maybe the influence of sitting next to Jim White everyday and the narrative he wants to create has dumbed him down somewhat.

{Ed002's Note - As a Liverpool supporter there is a pretty good chance you whine constantly.}


5.) 25 Jul 2018 22:57:34
For me AB the Liverpool side of the early 80s could live with any team ever. The Scottish spine of Hansen Souness and Dalglish had a winning mentality like nobody else and they made it infectious. We had 11 leaders all over the park. Comparing them to modern great sides is difficult though the modern player is a much fitter athlete. Some of the tackles they got away with in the 80s are straight cards nowadays. Our team from the early 80s in the physical condition of the modern player would beat anyone in my opinion, they were tactically astute, skilful and most of all never knew when they were beat.


6.) 25 Jul 2018 23:07:59
“Sports science” was obviously unheard of back in the day. Footballers didn’t earn the crazy wages they earn now. They were normal human beings who could identify with the rest of society. They didn’t live in ginormous mansions with private gyms and servants tending to their every need. Often they had to have second jobs to pay the bills.
They had normal lives and the same problems other normal people had.
Pitches were poor
Training grounds were worse
Balls were heavy, not balloons like today.
Boots were heavy not the light slippers they have today.
Diets were like any other working man.
They travelled on tatty coaches not helicopters and non-standard private jets.

It was a different world, they played a different game with different rules and referees. You just can’t compare with any confidence. You can only compare most players with their contemporaries. There are exceptions - Maradona, Best, Pele. These players could run rings round the modern day players.


7.) 25 Jul 2018 23:10:11
As a person I whine constantly. Being a Liverpool supporter has nothing to do with it.


8.) 25 Jul 2018 23:33:36
I know its a difficult thing to compare and contrast, I just wonder if those players, with today's ability to create athletes first and foremost would be as successful. The idea of a different mentality and having the never say die attitude is an interesting one, and one that would probably be drummed out of them nowadays. So would Souness be the same player, for example, with all the grit and fighting spirit, so to speak, not as encouraged now? I guess what I mean is all things being equal, who would win out of Liverpool circa '81 or Liverpool 2018? It's almost to simplistic to ask but I wasn't around and some you lot have been lucky enough to see it all.


9.) 25 Jul 2018 23:45:04
AB, this is one of those impossible to prove questions that will just cause arguments (licks lips) .

I expect that the game today is a magnatude better than it was 30 years ago for two reasons, sports science is the first. Today's players will be faster, fitter, stronger and train better than the players of that era.

The second reason is that I expect the talent level to be higher today simply because the player pool is so much larger. English teams 30 years ago we almost exclusively British, today the best players from all over the world come to England, the talent pool is 100 times larger.

Note that the best players in England's top flight were probably as good as the best players today but the worst players would have been terrible, League 1 out 2 at best. Your Dalglishes and Sounesses would have been fine but the rest would probably struggle.


10.) 25 Jul 2018 23:49:17
They had to have determination to succeed in those days because only the very best could earn enough from football alone.
You had to play, you had to succeed.

Now some 18yr olds sign a contract and are financially made for life. Where’s the motivation to put your body and future health on the line?


11.) 26 Jul 2018 00:05:27
It’s impossible to compare players and teams across different eras, football changes so much. Today’s players benefit from better fitness and nutrition knowledge, not to mention better pitches and less physical opponents. Teams are different too, imagine how good a team like Anderlect or Club Brugge would be today if 90% of the Belgium squad played in their domestic league as they did in the 70’s. All you can do is appreciate a player or a team for what they did in their own era and decide for yourself who was the best.


12.) 26 Jul 2018 09:11:50
That's what I mean Putney. The cream always rises to the top, but it has to sit on something. Maybe they were all amazing players, Hansen undoubtedly, but would Lawrenson have even made the bench today? Phil Neal is Liverpool's most decorated player, but would he have gotten his chance in today's climate? Obviously, back then, same as now you have to work together as a team and recognise your weaknesses as well as your strengths. Nowadays, the idea is to have a balanced team if possible, with strength in depth but were there various weak links back then because a team of superstars just wasnt available?


 

 

25 Jul 2018 20:38:58
Right one for all you old fogeys/ fogies? The ones with bi-focal rose tinted and spanking new mega specs, not just the 'everything was better in my day' fogeys.

Basically, yesterday on Talksport the archetypal walking, talking, tabloid spouting armpit that is Bob Mills (I used to like him, but listening to him just makes me more stupiderer but not as much as Cascarino and Parlour) was waxing lyrical about the late (great? ) Paul Madeley, RIP. I was intrigued to hear that he was apparently jack and master of all trades. One of those play anywhere and be one of the best in his position type players. I would say I have a pretty good footballing knowledge, but until then I'd never heard of him. Now, considering this was at a time when Don Revie was managing Leeds and they were back to back champions of England and European Cup semi finalists, this got me thinking.

We often hear about these amazing players and teams from yesteryear, kicking lumps out of eachother on fields akin to lava plains whilst gliding across the surface and riding tackles like Bart Simpson on a skateboard. It's easy to remember these teams as being truly world class and that teams nowadays couldn't hold a candle to them but is that really the case?

Take Madeley as a case in point. To be playing for arguably one of the best, if not the best, team in England at the time and not getting moved about to fit in, but to enhance the area of the pitch you were positioned in, you have to be some player. There are very few players who could do that nowadays. Milner, maybe. Gerrard would have been one of the best on the pitch whichever position he got put in (which is why he'll always come top of the Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard debate for me, but that's a different story), but he wasn't played all over mainly because he was best affecting games, not filling in at right back and hoping for the best from the other attackers. What I'm getting at is if you can fill in anywhere (and not just fill in, he played over 700 times for Leeds), but not be a household name what does that say about the standard of football then? I'm not criticising, I wasn't born, it's a genuine question.

The other thing that makes me wonder about comparisons. The all conquering Liverpool teams of the 70's and 80's were made up vastly of British players. I'm not going to compare international and domestic football, but I will say that, judging by the success of the home nations back then and comparing it to now there isn't to much difference, Scotland aside, having fallen by the wayside. These world beating domestic players still weren't the huge international stars that you would expect.

Dalglish is supposedly our best ever player. I have no doubt that he was magnificent for his time, but would he really be the best player in today's Liverpool team? Would Paisley's European giants have won the Premier League? Or, were they simply the best players available from a pool of British talent not yet awash with foreign imports?

I can well imagine that watching any of the best teams of the 60s, 70s and 80s was a joy to behold, but were they so good because the opposition was so poor by comparison and the deficiencies in sport science, by today's standards? Obviously, we will never know. I just wondered what people's thoughts were.

Angry Bardzo

{Ed002's Note - Mills is a comedian, pretty knowledgable but a very fun guy. I have a great buddy who is a Millwall supporter and the two have the greatest of times when imbibing together. I appreciate that some Liverpool fans don't meet they typical mould of having a great sense of humour anymore as evolution drags them toward boneheadeness. I should probably write a guide..}


 

 

 

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11 Sep 2018 10:19:44
If the West Ham owners weren’t so greasy and didn’t appear to just have money making in mind, I don't think the fans would mind about the London Stadium so much. If they spend 100million a year on players and start moving up the league then I think they’d be a lot happier about the situation. Personally I reckon the amount they spent this year was meant to last for the next 3 or 4 with a couple of cheap deals here and there to sustain it.

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31 Aug 2018 21:41:50
Blimey Ed. Someone's after a wooden spoon for Christmas. You're stirring yours down to the nub! ;)

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29 Aug 2018 13:22:11
The premise of needing another player to make you look good is exactly what stops you from being that good.

I am always amazed that some people need these things explaining to them.

Trophies won is never a way judge the quality of a player. Ever. There are some awful ones that have won several trophies and some amazing players that have won none.

It's the sort of argument that Man Utd and Chelsea fans throw at Liverpool fans to show why our players aren't that good.

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06 Aug 2018 17:06:14
Doh! Kirkby* (autocorrect)

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06 Aug 2018 15:19:49
I'm not saying we need to sign anyone else, by the way. Just reiterating Kirby's and BB's points.

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25 Sep 2018 23:05:06
What a hit, son. What a hit.

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24 Sep 2018 19:16:30
Can not think why you thought of Marvin the Paranoid Android, IdontlooklikeKlopp.

It seems to me you have no other reason for thinking this, Walter, other than just to be looking for the worst. I had a colleague who used to do it. He wouldn’t fear the worst, he’d hope for it, just so he was right.

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24 Sep 2018 00:17:04
Made a comment about Alisson catching everything the other day so when he punched it I had a wry smile on my face. It just goes to show how good his decision making is in really short time spans. His other catches have pretty much all been when there have been time to mop up after a spillage but he saw people were going to close in so punched it out of danger just in case. Others punch because they never trust themselves whereas he just knows what the correct decision is in those moments. More impressed every time I watch him. Good call ed.

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23 Sep 2018 11:31:44
Ha, bitter, no. Like I said, I used to like them and actually root for them, even while they were winning (unless Liverpool were involved) . I just like people to remember where they came from and be humble rather than be like the only City fans you hear from now and forget they’d be nowhere without the oil money.

Look at it this way, a dog kicker who wins the lottery is still just a rich dog kicker. :)

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23 Sep 2018 11:09:23
The chants of “Is this a library” from the Southampton fans were quite sad, flidby. If you can’t get a stadium singing at 3-0 up then something isn’t right.

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