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09 Aug 2023 23:05:54
Not exactly liverpool News but Chelsea submit £48m bid for Lavia.

Liverpools last bid was £45m.

Eds, do you think Liverpool will hold their focus on Lavia and up their bid or do you think we will move on to a new target?

Alco396

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure Liverpool will have another target in mind. They have worked hard on Lavia knowing there is interest from elsewhere. I have explained about other interested sides, what Southampton want and what discussions they have had with other clubs as they feel they are being screwed around.}


1.) 09 Aug 2023 23:13:43
Perhaps we wake up to the news tomorrow that Liverpool have managed to reach far enough down the back of the sofa and have offered what Southampton are asking?

And perhaps not.


2.) 09 Aug 2023 23:22:38
So Chelsea always wanted the player but have waited until 2 days before the season starts to submit a bid? That’s just embarrassing.

{Ed025's Note - hardly embarrassing BP, things can change very quickly in football mate, maybe the Caicedo deal is dead in the water so they have changed tack..


3.) 09 Aug 2023 23:38:31
We are a ridiculous club these days. You can only laugh.


4.) 09 Aug 2023 23:39:23
@beckerspecker, not as embarrassing as us lowballing Southampton for weeks and then potentially losing out to Chelsea instead of just paying the extra few million!


5.) 09 Aug 2023 23:54:07
The problem we have now is even if we do meet the asking price, Chelsea will have no problem offering £60 million and I’ve got no idea where we go from there. Can’t help but feel this should have been tied up earlier. Hopefully we have other options.


6.) 10 Aug 2023 00:09:32
I don’t reckon its the amount so much as the way its structured that’s the issue. I’ve a feeling we’re trying to do something like with add ons to cover our backside based on his age and experience. that's just how it feels.


7.) 10 Aug 2023 05:04:19
I reckon this will give us the kick up the arse we need. We will get Lavia tied up this week I reckon/ hope. We have been nothing short of shambolic in the last few weeks and I hate to say it but unless we sort out the defence/ system I think it's going to filter through to our season being a washout. Let's hope not.

I also saw a couple of articles saying Klopp was considering stepping down next season. Probably click bait but it seems to allude to the fact he is fed up with lack of investment and feels he's taken us as far as he can. Anything in it at all eds? Thanks.


8.) 10 Aug 2023 06:06:33
This may be the season where the majority of fans turn on FSG, especially if the window closes with only two signings.


9.) 10 Aug 2023 06:16:58
Ed025 it’s embarrassing mate from a point of view that we’ve been screwing the club around low bidding low balling and preparing, now Chelsea have come in and we will loose another targeted player to one of our rivals. It’s very embarrassing mate trust me.

{Ed025's Note - i get your frustration DTD but is Lavia really worth that sort of money?, i think liverpool have made a stance on how much they are prepared to pay for an inexperienced 19yr old who could be anything, but they did know the price and should have ended their interest a lot sooner mate..


10.) 10 Aug 2023 06:28:33
What I don’t really understand is why we let Hendo and Fabinho leave without having things largely tied up.

I can understand if we don’t value Lavia at 50m but then why let your club captain and your main CDM leave for what wasn’t a huge amount of money. Both were capable of playing in a deeper role, even if not ant their peak anymore, and Hendo could have helped gel the midfield after such a major rebuild.

That’s the most embarrassing part, it’s that we’re scrambling now when there was no need to.


11.) 10 Aug 2023 06:35:29
You all need to read the BBC Sports article on football player buying/ selling negotiations. Very complex business - and both buying and selling clubs use various tricks during the process.
From everything I've read over the last few weeks on Lavia - it's like ticking a checklist: leak alternative players, leak alternative buyers, start with low offer, persuade player to force move or express desire to move etc etc.

Seems to me we're just playing out the process. Some negotiations are quicker than others.

I don't see anything embarrassing in our clubs action so far.

Perhaps we all need some patience.


12.) 10 Aug 2023 06:35:43
I think we still need to wait until the end of the transfer season before judging the work done.

After last season I did think we would attack this transfer window big time. By big time I was expecting 3 top players in. 1 CB, 1 CM, 1 DM. Selling fab and Hendo means another mid is needed.

I was excited at the start with the great work done but we are still missing a top DM and CB from original list.

Let's see what they do.


13.) 10 Aug 2023 06:45:41
If he goes to Chelsea then that’s all fair enough, we’ve screwed around Ed002 snd Chelsea have put the money up that we didn’t. What’s worrying is we don’t have anyone else in mind? So rather than look at another DM player we just leave it and go into the season short on numbers. Very worrying indeed.


14.) 10 Aug 2023 07:01:16
Jeez Davey stop being so gullible and wake up to what these owners are doing to your club.


15.) 10 Aug 2023 07:11:32
I agree with SGred,
Someone dropped the ball. Our targets should have been lined up and we should have moved much quicker.


16.) 10 Aug 2023 07:35:09
Agreed Ron but yet here we are mate on the eve of the new season opening and are this short on numbers is crazy. Maybe Baj can play 50+ games as DM is whst the club are thinking. We’ve sold our captain our vice captain and Fabinho. It’s ok as Gakpo can play CM and there is always Elliot who can compete in the engine room.


17.) 10 Aug 2023 07:48:37
Liverpool offer £46m and we're low balling, Chelsea offer £48m and Lavia is off to Chelsea, this is all according to a lot of posters on this page ? Surely they are low balling also and being extremely embarrassing but why say that as it wouldn't suit the LFC bashing agenda that is on this site at the moment.

Why are people so keen to criticise the club we all say we love? We have just experienced some golden years over the recent past, this was built from unity, hope and out of the box signings and tactics.

I trust in our great club and am 100% sure they have a plan in place!


18.) 10 Aug 2023 07:59:45
All this time wasted mucking around over a couple of million. We should have moved onto another target, paid the extra for Lavia or stopped Hendo and/ or Fab leaving.
Anyone who we bring in now will have no preseason and will be at an inflated price anyway, because clubs know we are desperate.
Absolutely shambolic!


19.) 10 Aug 2023 08:01:09
Whatever White Walker. Maybe you should wake up a bit and speak nicer to people.

It's easy to ignore the good stuff they be done at times like this. However, like I said, there s a feeling there's a gap between us and the other top teams competing in the transfer market.

I didn't mind other transfer seasons as much but last season meant this transfer season needed to be a big one and I am getting this nagging feeling that FSG and those involved in transfer decision making are going to fail to deliver.

However there is still a month to go. If they fail to deliver in a big way in this next month, I will be fully onboard the FSG out brigade.


20.) 10 Aug 2023 08:30:08
Another glorious day of hysteria and bed wetting beckons.
Careful with your embarrassment management guys.


21.) 10 Aug 2023 08:19:20
FSG put brigade or FSG get Klopp and Jorg out brigade?


22.) 10 Aug 2023 08:36:08
The funny thing is if Lavia signs for Chelsea there is every chance he won't be this world class player everyone thinks he is now just because we've been trying to sign him. He might develop and reach this "high ceiling" people say he has, or more likely he'll be lost in along with the revolving door of players that go in and out of Chelsea. Then in a year's time or even a few months time the narrative will change to what a bullet we dodged there. Or another option, we get him, he is average and its what a waste of money, whyd we spend so much on a lad who's played f all and was in engine room of a terrible team last year who were relagated.


23.) 10 Aug 2023 08:43:22
For those who always have rose tinted glass on our transfer dealings, do you think low balling several times southampton is a behavior of European Royalty? Yes or No.


24.) 10 Aug 2023 09:08:07
Yes Leekuanyew look at Bayern Munich with Kane, Real Madrid with Mbappe and that's just this summer. If you ask the other European Royalty fans, they would probably call it negotiating and I would also.

It's not rose tinted glasses, it's understanding there is a process that experts in this field follow and they will all have their slants on how to achieve the best deal. By the end of the window if we are still lacking in signings I will be frustrated and disappointed but I'm not right now.


25.) 10 Aug 2023 09:30:04
For those of you that fail to understand: FSG have nothing to do with who the club buys or sells, this is a club decision. I believe Mike Gordon and the transfer team agree on this. FSG own the club, they do not put any money in as the club is self sufficient.
If the fans want the club to spend more money, then the fans need to give more money to the club.


26.) 10 Aug 2023 09:39:21
Timely quote from CEO and FSG man Billy Hogan -

“Our goal is to run the club sustainably. When you are missing revenue from the Champions League, you have to react accordingly — and we’ve done that. ”.


27.) 10 Aug 2023 09:54:31
@SzSz8

“Why are people so keen to criticise the club we all say we love? ”

Nail on the head. At times you’d think this was the Man United Fan page with the comments that get made.

I understand that we shouldn’t bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything is rosey. But at times on this page I doubt whether some posters even enjoy being a fan of Liverpool at all.

Seems to be more “embarrassment” than enjoyment.


28.) 10 Aug 2023 09:40:33
Leek it absolutely is the behaviour of European royalty. You only have to look at what Bayern are doing in the Kane Saga to see that. Barcelona did it to us with Suarez and Coutinho. Madrid did it with Bale.

One of the perks of being European royalty is that you have the ability to unsettle a player and then lowball his club into selling said unsettled player.

I’m not saying it’s right but every big European club does it.


29.) 10 Aug 2023 09:43:03
why the FSG out brigade Davey when FSG are not the ones negotiating the deals? Why the FSG out brigade when they aren't the ones who decide the targets or the back up targets?


30.) 10 Aug 2023 09:48:13
I know some will say that Lavia is not worth £50m. That may be true, but that is what Southampton value him at and do not have to let him leave if the buying team does not meet that valuation.

We clearly want him and are not that far apart (supposedly) on what they want compared to what we are offering to pay.

It's going to look ridiculous to miss out on him for the sake of £2m-£3m, especially when we got £10m more than what most thought Hendo was worth and probably £25m more than Fab was worth (considering how both looked like their legs had gone for about the last 18 months or so) .

Klopp wanted all transfers in before the season started, yet pre-season is over and we're still penny pinching for the area we desperately need an addition for.

Klopp isn't protecting FSG, but what he has achieved has helped mask the issues with player investment - especially if we actually want to be successful.

There are now rumours that he might walk next summer due to the continued lack of player investment.

We will lose more than the £2m-£3m if he does go. Surely it is worth paying the Lavia fee rather than this continued messing about?


31.) 10 Aug 2023 10:06:00
Ed want to explain that we don't need in-experienced lavia because, we already have jay spearing hahaha.

FSG must out.


32.) 10 Aug 2023 10:26:07
Penny pinching? It's a £5m difference in valuation. Do you know how many pennies are in £5m? 500,000,000 pennies. That is 1250 tonnes of Copper/ Zinc. Roughly the same weight as 6 Boeing 747's.

Penny pinching haha. £5m pays the wages of an actual good player like Robertson for a year. The entitlement of some fans is astonishing. We just offered £45m for a relegated kid who would be in University if he wasn't a footballer, and people call it penny pinching? ?

Stop the Premier League. I want to get off the gravy train now. It's finally happened. £5m is rated as pennies by the fans and children with less good games than they have GCSE's are worth £50m to their clubs. The game is totally gone.


33.) 10 Aug 2023 10:49:21
Edd are chelsea going for 3 midfielders now as they have just had a bid for adams excepted, or is the caicedo deal off?

{Ed002's Note - They want two out of the three.}


34.) 10 Aug 2023 10:54:22
When you are talking about multi-billion pound valuations of clubs and spending 10's or 100's of millions on players (whether singularly or for multiple players), to be apart in your valuation by £2m-£3m can be classed as penny-pinching. It is a label for a style of how you do business and it isn't a good look, especially when you know what the other club want and you have decided that this is the player you want. If you're going to offer £45m-£48m and lose out on your target for the sake of 5 times less than the value that you got for a player you were lucky to not have to let leave on a free transfer or let him run down his contract on vast wages - you have already saved much more than the £2m-£3m extra to fill a position we now desperately need filling.
Common Sense really when you think about it MK.


35.) 10 Aug 2023 11:00:25
Tnanks Ed, at least that leaves us 1 haha.


36.) 10 Aug 2023 11:17:02
Redallover, not sure it is just the extra 2m -3m, its probably the payment structure as well.


37.) 10 Aug 2023 11:47:19
Redallover showing exactly why Ed2 won’t discuss money on this page.

If Chelsea want him then I’d rather let them have him. Their recruitment has been worse than woeful since Boely took over so if their scouts have him as a decent player he’s probably not.


38.) 10 Aug 2023 12:02:13
Could be, Jota.

Just the way that it is playing out with the limited information from various sources suggests it is total value of the deal only.

We didn't do anything for a year due to waiting for Bellingham then turned around and said he's too expensive. Yes he was, but we also could have bought him when he went abroad the first time but decided he was too much of a risk.

I'm not saying Lavia will turn out this way, but young midfield prospects seem to have certain value. There are obviously enough good attributes to suggest there is a great player in there and one that Klopp will be able to work with. He also fills a position that we now need to fill urgently.

I know Nett spend isn't all you can focus on, but when ours is so small especially over the whole period that Klopp has been here, it is a miracle he has had us achieving so much.

Now that a rebuild is required, the main factor is that we keep Klopp (at the moment) . Not saying he will walk, but you wouldn't be surprised if he came out said goodbye in the near future. Not saying that Lavia will be the reason, just maybe the final straw.

If it is just £2m-£3m then spend it. If it is also the payment structure, all info seems to suggest that a total package that guarantees £50m will get the signing done. Why mess about with silly add-ons rather that guaranteed add-ons to get the deal over the line.

We obviously have to see how this plays out one way or another. It's just frustrating!


39.) 10 Aug 2023 13:07:31
Leek - are bayern european royalty?

also what a lame question. I mean can you phrase your question in any more of a slanted way to get the answer you want lol.


40.) 10 Aug 2023 09:09:51
I agree ed25, I’ve not seen much of him to say he’s worth 50mill. I reckon we might dodge a bullet with this one but I could b wrong.


41.) 10 Aug 2023 09:58:25
Agree with ed25, if Liverpool really aren’t prepared to pay what Southampton want- and I have no issue with that, both sides have a price they’re willing to pay/ sell for and that is fine, we really should have walked away from this weeks ago.

{Ed025's Note - I agree hopeful mate..


42.) 10 Aug 2023 10:26:07
Good day Eds and Reds. Personally, I am with Ed025 on this one. I know Lavia had a decent season and he will probably go on to have a good, maybe even stellar career. But at 50 million, I don't think he is worth it and I am not really sold on him. I have zero excitement about this potential signing. Also, it would have made a bit more sense if Fabinho was still around and we eased him in, while he would sort of be Fabinho's apprentice, but even then, 50 million would still be too much. So I would rather have LFC walk away from the signing. the embarrassing part is the haggling that has gone on for weeks even though the club also feels 50 is too much. They should have moved on to another target long ago. If we do end up signing him, the other thing would be that we now have this raw 19 year old as our first choice CDM - he could take as a duck to water and everything could be peachy keen, but likewise, it could end up being a disaster which could knock his confidence and even ruin his career. I think we would be much better off letting Bajetic take the role. They're of similar age and practically in the same boat - Bajetic is arguably more technically gifted that Lavia too. The only difference is, we don't spunk 50 million pounds if Bajetic does not work out in the role. Just my 2 cents.

{Ed025's Note - I’m with you Eeko mate..


43.) 10 Aug 2023 10:05:12
ed25 - can't wait for this Lavia saga to be over to be honest. whether we sign him or not, this window is becoming toxic amongst some liverpool fans.

{Ed025's Note - I’m with you faith. I can’t wait till this one ends myself mate..


 

 

 

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31 Jul 2023 21:18:26
Fabinho to Al Ittihad now confirmed by Romano on twitter.

Surely that should now make the lavia deal go through quicker.

Alco396

1.) 01 Aug 2023 07:49:42
Why’s that?


2.) 01 Aug 2023 08:15:47
I really have no idea how transfers work so everything I say is pure guesswork but to say thar we have received x amount for Fabinho so this can go on Lavia seems to simplistic to me. Firstly we only see the reported amount and not what is actually agreed. These may be the same or some media outlets could be exaggerating the figures involved. Secondly surely any fee involved is taxed and other fees maybe included? Thirdly would the agreed fee be paid all at once or in installments? I agree that if the money is there then pay Southamptons valuation before someone else does but if it isn't then all we can do is negotiate.


3.) 01 Aug 2023 08:28:14
WDW3, I do not understand where or why peopl think both are connected. Had Saints accepted our initial bid then, he would have been here long before Fab officially left.

So if both deals wouldn’t have been connected in that scenario then, why would they suddenly be connected now? Again, baffling logic.


4.) 01 Aug 2023 17:08:09
Bigbaz, you can have the money and still negotiate.


5.) 01 Aug 2023 18:10:20
I know Oli. That's possibly the only thing I do know about transfers. But still I'm sure you know what I'm trying to get at.


 

 

27 Jul 2018 04:31:53
Hope you're all well Ed's, wanted to ask you how you think the max Meyer situation will pan out. He is clearly a good player with a great amount of potential but to have such an ego at that age asking for the wages that he is (if it his him and not his agent telling him to ask for X amount) . Do you think that it will be him that compromises first by taking a wage drop to get into a club by the time the season starts or do you think he will find a club after all the transfers are over and a club may panic and give into his demands?

Cheers,

Alco.

Alco396

{Ed001's Note - nothing to do with Liverpool, this is for the Euro site.}


1.) 27 Jul 2018 12:49:25
I expect him to eventually lower his wage demands and sign for a lower Premier League club.


 

 

23 Jul 2018 23:46:45
Does anyone know the full extent of matips injury? Would this maybe push klopp into looking at a centre back more seriously in case of any setbacks in his return?

Alco396

1.) 24 Jul 2018 05:06:10
i don't think we're in the business of over-stocking our squad to cover injuries.


2.) 24 Jul 2018 08:12:29
He's coming back after surgery. Little niggles here and there are inevitable.


3.) 24 Jul 2018 13:50:31
True faith. We have gomez and klavan who are there to play when matip is injured.


 

 

10 Jul 2018 00:34:28
Hi Ed's, with sky reporting Ronaldo is getting closer to a move to juventus do you think, if it goes through, they will be targeting any of our players or our targets?

It should also be interesting to see how real Madrid replacing Ronaldo could set off a reaction of transfers

Cheers.

Alco396

{Ed001's Note - I wouldn't stress too much mate.}


1.) 10 Jul 2018 05:09:32
Alco396, i see your fears and I held the same but I don't think Liverpool will accept any offers for him this summer and I also think he is quite decent enough to push for a move from a club the size of lfc after just one season of brilliance.


2.) 10 Jul 2018 07:54:02
Hazard, Dybala and Kane are the players whose fans should be panicking!


3.) 10 Jul 2018 08:18:31
After what Ramos did and to him, i doubt he will want to join Madrid.


4.) 10 Jul 2018 09:21:12
Already been said that his wage demands are to excessive for Real Madrid or Barcelona to take up the interest Salah got his agent to drum up last season.


5.) 10 Jul 2018 11:03:39
Contract signed last week anyone? I know it's silly season, but come the truck on guys!


 

 

07 Jun 2018 23:21:35
Question to the Ed's, when the Lyon president said they hadn't discussed the price yet is he saying that there hadn't been any contact between the two officially or are there any other details other than price that the club's need to agree upon?

Cheers.

Alco396

{Ed002's Note - I would not over analyse what is said.}


 

 

 

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20 Jul 2018 19:28:23
Like many of the old Liverpool players I would guess souness still has a lot of involvement in the club and a lot of contacts in there too. He might not know everything that's going on though, I reckon the fekir comment was probably his own thought on the situation.

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19 Jul 2018 23:34:03
His distribution looks to be better than even edersons! Can't wait to see him in action.

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11 Jul 2018 23:53:55
There have been players who have recovered and played well after an ACL, And he is one of them. I understand the payment structure wanting changed for risk purposes because that's the club trying to hedge their bets but if klopp believes in the player we should take him, if he was unfortunate enough to get another ACL injury he's young enough still to get over it imo. How has his fitness been since he came back from it?

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10 Jul 2018 21:07:40
Epicpotato have you not seen how Daniel levy negotiates?

Anyway now it's time for us to get dybala!

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09 Jul 2018 19:13:12
Im sure everyone here will have their pitchforks at the ready for 20th of July Bobby!

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20 Apr 2018 16:28:32
It will be interesting to see how the Arsenal board act in the coming seasons with regards to standing behind a manager. Wenger did so much for the club that they had to back him until he left imo. Who knows, they might become another Chelsea and have a new manager every year!

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