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26 Sep 2017 10:16:58
ed02, like your honesty, even if it isn't always what we want to hear/ read
a questions if I may, haven' seen it so if I missed it, just reply rtfp. you think Mane will go next summer? why and where do you think he will go?

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{Ed002's Note - There was interest in Sadio Mane this summer from Inter Milan and he is a consideration for Real Madrid going forward - but they have another player or two in mind more immediately. Don't be surprised to see interest from Barcelona. As to whether or not he will move, Liverpool will certainly want to hold on to him but he, like others, will be attracted by the chance to challenge at the highest-level and will want to consider his options - so I think there is perhaps a chance he will go.}

26 Sep 2017 10:45:26
thanks for the swift reply.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

26 Sep 2017 13:12:02
I think we need to accept that the vast majority of players want to play at the very highest level and if they are good enough then there will be interest in them from the very best teams.

To avoid such things happening we need to be challenging for honours every year, domestic and european.

It is very rare that the best players will want to leave the best clubs and will generally only happen when there are other situations going on in the background. Costa leaving Chelsea and Neymar leaving Barcelona being two examples.

To get the best players and keep the best players you need to be towards the very top of the pyramid, at the moment we aren't. Hopefully that can change.

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26 Sep 2017 13:34:02
RedDawn is 100% right. The way to combat our best players wanting to play at the top is to be legitimate challengers for the top and to give them in Liverpool what they believe they can get elsewhere i. e. a full trophy cabinet.

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26 Sep 2017 15:00:01
And big wages. sadly.

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26 Sep 2017 15:22:57
Brilliant so a chance Mane could go to Barcelona but I suppose they want to play at the top. I just hope that we don't turn into a feeder club.

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26 Sep 2017 18:25:47
Big salaries will often do the trick.
Prime example is De Gea and Rooney at United.

When Rooney was playing well in a not so great United side, City came sniffing around and they offered him. A new contract reported at £300k per week.

De Gea is one of the best keepers around IMO, United paying him huge wages.

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28 Sep 2017 15:13:58
To challenge year in year out, you need to compete with the bank rolled super rich ownership structures. Unfortunately buying success is the current method ruining football and FSG aren't in the same bracket. One needs to spend $300m in today's market just to keep pace. If we could get lucky with a few players all hitting career best form at the same time, few injuries and a bit of good fortune we could challenge for a season or two, until the squad is cherry picked by Barce or RM. Sad but true. I think trying to outspend is pointless, just keep bringing new blood focussing on quality not quantity as there are enough decent players out there but we need to find them first, then it's just 11 v 11 on match day.
PS. Still think Liverpool need a gun striker first and foremost. Goals cure everything!

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02 Oct 2017 06:46:15
Bigger problem for LFC is that the EPL is the hardest league to get champions league every year, the likes of Chelsea and Man U have missed out in recent times. The 2 Spanish clubs aren't going to any time soon. Ultimately if a player wants the guaranteed by default route rather than being part of the reason for getting UCL then do you want to spend large sums of money to keep them.

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22 Sep 2017 10:25:31
Are we genuinely interested in Dayot Upamecano Eds or is this more papertalk? It's almost hilarious if we are interested as the papers have an 18 year old who is worth between £7.5m and £12m max and us having to pay €100m.

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{Ed002's Note - There may well be interest from Liverpool in Dayot Upamecano - he is attracting the interest of Barcelona and Manchester United as well.}

22 Sep 2017 14:32:33
Get out is he 18! I thought he was about 25. Agree he isn't worth €100m but if he is 18 he is seriously talented.

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{Ed007's Note - He turns 19 next month.}

22 Sep 2017 19:16:42
Is he a CB ed?

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{Ed002's Note - yes.}

22 Sep 2017 19:51:31
Anyone seen him play. ?

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22 Sep 2017 20:12:56
Looks like a good prospect.

Built like an out-house and good in the air.

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22 Sep 2017 21:08:40
Is Leipzig the new So'ton? Just asking.

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22 Sep 2017 22:42:09
What position does he play? I have never heard of him. He better be a beastly centre back 😂.

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23 Sep 2017 11:59:23
I've only seen him once when i watched Leipzig earlier this season. I have to be honest i was watching Keita, but from what i remember of Upamecano he was a monster. I had no idea he was still a teenager so just assumed he was a decent centre back. Now i know he is barely out of school i want to watch him again, more closely to get a better idea.

All i can say is he looked like a seasoned pro, and was physically dominant. I wouldn't like to say any more after one game where i wasn't paying much attention to him.

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25 Sep 2017 04:20:26
He has some pretty impressive ball skills - more like a midfielder than a CB and gets up the pitch quickly.
He is defensively strong and good in the air as well as tackling.
Is he worth 100m? Well no, I don't think any defender is - but at 19 years old he has longevity on his side and if VVD is 70m pounds then 100m euros ain't that bad!
Mind you we won't get 100m for all 3 current CB's so its a $$$ outlay.

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25 Sep 2017 19:14:04
I think we should avoid signing players with difficult names. Too problematic for fans.

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25 Sep 2017 22:26:05
I try to pronounce it with an Italian accent.

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26 Sep 2017 22:35:35
I heard he was a Upandcomingo CB with a lot of promise.

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20 Sep 2017 21:16:20
Hi eds
I know we signed matip on a free way before the transfer window opened. Is there anyone We could sign in the coming weeks leading up to Jan that would help our defence in anyway. It would be nice to know that we had someone lined up ready.
As always thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - not that I know of.}

21 Sep 2017 02:51:23
We signed Matip early because his contract was expiring, not many players contracts expire in January.

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21 Sep 2017 03:42:34
I did a search and Joe lescott is available ;)
Two interesting players in Jan Kirchoff and flamini are available too.

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21 Sep 2017 08:11:40
Jan Kirchoff? The massive German who kept Sunderland up single handedly 2 years ago?

That can't be right. If it is he must be injured. He is a decent centre back/ holding midfielder from what I've seen. Sunderland were soft, lacked leadership, lacking in steel and fight etc and he went in there and was a massive part of their turn around.

I didn't see enough of him to know if he is good enough for Liverpool, but he is a better defender than Lovren and Klavan that is for sure!

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{Ed001's Note - he is awful MKS, he is slow, cumbersome and got the credit for no reason I could see. He was always about 6 yards behind the play, but he put in a couple of good passes and suddenly he was the reincarnation of Beckenbauer in the media. One man kept Sunderland up that season and it was not Kirchhoff, it was Allardyce. Kirchhoff is injured, he did his cruciate, but he is simply not as good as people believe. He makes Matip look lively when chasing back.}

21 Sep 2017 11:50:56
How can you claim he kept them up single handedly then further state you didn't see enough to see how good he actually was?

I like your efforts MK, I just don't think the knowledge is there.

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21 Sep 2017 11:52:13
I'm not saying he'd suit us Ed. Every game i saw him in though he was arguably man of the match so that's all i can go off of. I agree he looks too slow for us and i only saw him 2 or 3 times so I'm certainly not going to suggest we sign him. He was a monster at set pieces though and seemed to get the best out of the useless players he had around him. As a pure defender though he looked decent. Nothing special, just decent. If he signed for us he'd just be another stop gap so I'd rather we wait anyway.

I was just surprised he didn't have a club. He'd suit a team like West Brom, Palace, Huddersfield etc. If he has a cruciate injury though, that explains it.

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21 Sep 2017 13:58:33
So the day we feared has come injuries too centre backs an they were already rubbish, now we have no cover total crime too neglect the transfer window for defensive cover.

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21 Sep 2017 15:23:13
Lol ed (≧▽≦)

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21 Sep 2017 16:47:03
Smplfc, i can only judge what i saw. I watched Sunderland with and without him that season and they were a completely different side. Maybe I've confused the impact of Kirchoff, with the impact of Allardyce. But those two coming in definitely coincided with Sunderland becoming much harder to beat and a much more solid looking unit. Then when they didn't have him last season they were back to being an flaccid bunch of strangers. Again, could've been Allardyce being gone too though.

Unfair to suggest I've not got any knowledge though when all I've done is call a player I've watched a few times decent. Hardly gone over board with the praise have i 😂 although i have since noticed i missed an almost out of my original post. It should've read "almost single handedly" so perhaps that is why people are jumping down my throat for daring to suggest Kirchoff is a mid table Premier League player 🙄 Khazri, Kirchoff and Kone changed their season i thought. I mean you can disagree but when they signed Sunderland looked doomed to go down, but their fortunes were completely changed. You are all so quick to claim that you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear when i defend our players, so you can't then in the same breath say that Sunderland staying up was 100% down to Allardyce. He clearly added players who could make the difference, but that is my point. Kirchoff was part of the change that made that difference.

Anyway, feel like we're splittng hairs over terminology, my choice of cliché phrase (which has seemingly been taken way too literally), and people are perhaps jumping to the conclusion that i think he'd be a good signing for us. I'd still be surprised if Kirchoff struggles to find a mid table top flight club once he's fit. Be that in England or back in Germany the bloke is clearly a decent player. From a Liverpool perspective i appreciate he's not good enough, but for a team dwelling at the bottom struggling to keep out goals he would be seen as a big step up in defensive quality. Horses for courses mate, you can't view everything from Liverpool's world or else we are saying that a good 95% of pro footballers are terrible! It's all relative 😉.

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21 Sep 2017 17:58:03
You have also taken my point out of context mate.

My point isn't your end assessment on the player, it's the fact that you made the asssessment and then when Ed disagreed you stated that you had only actually watched him "2 or 3 times". Not once did I say I don't rate the player or it was all down to big Sam, nor am I pushing something down your throats for having an opinion.

I actually agree with your initial statement. I disagree with eds views and although Sam definitely signed players to pay to his strength, he was one that looked like he had a bit of class about him.

My point is and that's all it is in my opinion, lack of experience leads you to make large opinions without backing them up properly or forming them to either agree with Ed or to disagree with the majority.

Like I said mate it wasn't a dig, all a bit of light hearted banter, but I actually rate Kirchoff!

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21 Sep 2017 20:44:27
We started to go downhill when Djimi Traore and Kewell left.

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22 Sep 2017 00:28:14
omalley is correct, everything is clear for me now.

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22 Sep 2017 10:30:21
Actually that Hoffenheim CB is pretty fast, he caught up with Mane when matip started 1st.

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22 Sep 2017 12:56:48
Are you referring to their captain who needlessly gave the ball to Salah near the half way line and almost gave us a throw away goal?
I can appreciate anyone making a mistake but a glaring one like that is not really needed in a defence like ours at the moment thanks lol!

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22 Sep 2017 21:30:00
Klopp must have forseen the scenario loosing Matip/ Lovren. I would guess he just have a lot of FAITH in Gomez. Maybe WE should support this?
I really really like Gomez. He's got pace, he's calm, he has ability on the ball. He may lack a bit of rutine, and some belief in himself. Maybe both Klopp and me would have chosen to ease the "kid" in over the season, but HEY, he might grab the PL by the balls, in september!

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19 Sep 2017 17:07:45
Info from Jason Steele is that his good friend Butland has his eye set on a move to LFC.

Personally think it's unrealistic without moving on a couple of players and maybe hampering development for some. Would also be a very costly transfer to conclude as can't see Stoke wanting to let go easily if at all.

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19 Sep 2017 20:19:09
Probably at the b3st team to get him from tbh

One unlike Southampton who accept players ain't retiring there and they are a mid table, occasional success team. Simple. Pay a good price and they will sell no problem.

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19 Sep 2017 22:12:48
He's a top class keeper playing for an average team. 🤝.

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19 Sep 2017 22:49:54
18 months ago no question but 18 months blighted by injuries are a worry.

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19 Sep 2017 23:43:12
He'll fit right in at us then Ron!

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20 Sep 2017 00:01:42
butland has come out recently and said of his aspirations to play for a big club. Which is us obviously, as there is no bigger club than us. Would love to see us sign him and Ben Gibson.

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20 Sep 2017 00:03:59
we need a goalkeeper and at least 2 centre backs. I fail to see why a goalkeeper moving from Stoke to Liverpool is unrealistic.

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20 Sep 2017 04:44:00
Have you got any info from his uncle Remington?

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23 Sep 2017 07:32:29
Or we could give Ward a try? Haha just kidding! Why would we give our own talented keeper a go when we can spunk an ungodly amount on a decent (though nowhere near world class) keeper in Butland. Sounds terrific.

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18 Sep 2017 16:47:14

Appreciate January is a long way off mate but do you think we will push for VVD in January? Have you heard anything from within the club?

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{Ed001's Note - it all comes down to Southampton and what they want to do mate.}

18 Sep 2017 18:38:18
Would we still be his 1st choice ed?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate.}

18 Sep 2017 19:44:57
Ok mate. It looks like he is slowly being integrated back into there team at the minute. January isn't a good time for buying either usually so a good chance we stick with what we have until the summer would be my guess and then look at our options.

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18 Sep 2017 22:42:57
I'm pretty sure we'll be asking to speak to him and if Southampton refuse then we will back down and look elsewhere before trying again in the summer. We'll be playing a very straight bat on this one.

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19 Sep 2017 00:03:54
A baseball bat?
From The Red Sox at Fenway.

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19 Sep 2017 11:48:23
Ed do you know if the rumours are true that VVD ate a fish finger sandwich last night?

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19 Sep 2017 12:33:41
The last few seasons has seen player power at its height but has the last window shown that clubs have wrestled some of the power away from the agents, players and even media? Notably vvd, coutinho and sanchez or was it just badly handled business? (Which is usually what we're up to ) And next window shall business return to "normal". The cynic in me sees us bid for vvd when Barcelona come in for pip January 1st.

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19 Sep 2017 21:34:56
Not being funny but the way things are going at the moment I think any player would have to have a serious think about moving from a mid table club to us. because right now that looks to be a sideways step not a step up!

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17 Sep 2017 05:12:47
Daily Mirror now reporting Barcelona want Mane in January and not Coutinho, with Juventus and Real Madrid also interested. Let's hope it's paper trash.

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17 Sep 2017 06:23:08
Mate don't let 'rumours' flood your head, it's only September and your worrying what the daily mail are reporting about for January!

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17 Sep 2017 06:45:13
Haha, good point!

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17 Sep 2017 07:23:51
Why would it surprise us that teams may be interested in one of the best players in the premier league?

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17 Sep 2017 09:51:39
Well we are not progressing so players like mane will be looking to leave at some pointin the next couple of years.

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17 Sep 2017 11:59:16
I wouldn't be too worried given his contract doesn't expire until the end of June 2021. He is (reportedly) more than happy with life at LFC. plus Josep Maria Bartomeu is probably trying his best to placate the shareholding fans who saw the loss of Neymar and a failure to sign PC from us.

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17 Sep 2017 12:59:08
Papers need to sell papers! How the hell do they know Barcelona transfer targets in Sept?

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17 Sep 2017 13:03:40
Why talk bout mane when you can't even afford couts?

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17 Sep 2017 18:45:49
Good point Mane will cost anyone a fortune.

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17 Sep 2017 19:29:35
Sell Coutinho and Mane, buy Southampton, sorted ;)

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17 Sep 2017 20:51:28
Good point. I think we should just buy Southampton. Would save us a fortune. Their whole back 5 would get in our team ahead of what we have got. That away kit of theirs is cracker as well.

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18 Sep 2017 10:32:42
Dembele out for 4 months reading today. maybe why?

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18 Sep 2017 11:13:29
Funny how the rags always come up with these Barcelona wants Liverpools best players stories!
Bet they were all gutted when we didn't lose Coutinho.
Now it's Mane, next it'll be Salah.
Joke rags!

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18 Sep 2017 22:20:26
Unless we sort out the structure of the team and get the team defending there will be only one person leaving in January and it will be klopp.

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18 Sep 2017 23:14:36
So much rubbish being posted recently. Not progressing? Klopp going in January? Get a grip will you. Dear god!

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19 Sep 2017 02:41:21
It is sort of a compliment to have big teams interested in our players, however I do hope that there's no release clause in Mane's contract. Personally, I don't think Mane will leave us 'yet' as I'm pretty sure he had a part to play in the Keita deal and would love to play alongside him.

However, if we continue to under achieve, then there's every possibility that players will lose faith and want to seek glory elsewhere. We really need to show improvement this season and hopefully win something to convince our top players to stay put.

It is easier said than done, but first we need to sort out our defense.

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19 Sep 2017 05:55:32
If we are mid table come December klopp will be under pressure. Don't want to see that and think we will be sitting just outside of top 4 but the lack of ability to set a team up to defend will inevitably result in the fans and media questioning whether klopp can take Liverpool to where they should be. Not just about buying players this is about setting up a team. I hope it starts to come together as I think he is great but the lack of improvement defensively is concerning.

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19 Sep 2017 06:41:48
I would expect that before the going to be sacked stuff started, if Klopp is still saying he can't find better defenders to work his system he will be told to change the system and get in defenders that are better in a different style of play. Plus you'd think some of that pressure will come onto the scouting and coaching structure as well. They have invested a lot of money in Klopp and if they weren't happy I can't see a deal like the Keita one being sanctioned.

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19 Sep 2017 08:22:06
It takes time to build a title winning team. I'm not talking about a freak season like Leicester then going back to mid table obscurity.
I'm talking about a team that can consistently challenge on all fronts year in year out. We don't have the money of city where we can just go out and throw unlimited amounts of money at it so when you make that next CB signing it has to be the one that you think will be a mainstay for years to come. Not just a stop gap that might get you through a season and appease idiotic fans that can't see past the end of their own nose.
Yes we have defensive issues and it's infuriating at times but for god's sake give him time to sort it out instead of this pathetic talk of him leaving already! We have a team that with the right couple of additions could really do something give Klopp the time to get the right men in it's not bloody football manager!

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19 Sep 2017 21:25:45
Klopp won't be gone in January but, our second team does not look good at all. The way we're playing against Leicester looks nothing like how Klopp had us playing last year. The ox looks terrible.

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16 Sep 2017 19:36:14
Public stance is a little but around luck, opposition took their chance, did most things right but concentration was a little lacking etc. Behind closed doors, Lovren has been given a dressing down, Henderson has been told to be more honest in his own fitness issue and interestingly Matip's attitude has been questioned.


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17 Sep 2017 01:16:54
Is it just one fly or do you have a swarm of flies at your disposal to report these 'news'? Or are you Ant Man?

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18 Sep 2017 08:50:20
The Lovren and Henderson who didn't play?

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21 Sep 2017 08:32:43
Definitely not luck, Klopp didn't sort out the defence which should have been priority but, I'm confident if we can have just a little more patience (I know), it will get sorted out. Might have to wait till Jan or even next summer though.

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16 Sep 2017 10:14:38
Hi eds, any substance to the Stefan De Vrij rumours? All the papers seem to be linking him with us.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Liverpool making any approach to Lazio or to Sports Entertainment about de Vrij at this time. Right now he is still negotiating over his contract.}

16 Sep 2017 11:50:14
He is injury prone.

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16 Sep 2017 14:26:23
Milner starts so he's not been dumped by Klopp.

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16 Sep 2017 18:19:45
He is after De Vrij and will get him in January on the cheap.

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15 Sep 2017 22:41:51
can't understand why Milner ain't getting a game he just seems to have been dumped. didn't klopp say in the summer it was like signing a new midfielder talking about Milner thought he was one of our best players last season baffles me how Moreno is playing every week and Milner and Robertson are keeping the bench warm.

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15 Sep 2017 22:55:15
So you want to drop an in form Moreno for Milner? That is very strange to me!

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15 Sep 2017 23:22:14
I'm not convinced he's in form. He's still good at bombing forward and still bad at defending. that's just Moreno being Moreno. He's no different.

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16 Sep 2017 00:30:55
Milner shouldn't play left back again, have you already forgot about all the cutt backs and slowly the attacks down, Robertson needs game time.

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16 Sep 2017 00:34:40
You honestly thought Milner wouldn't get "dumped" this season? We are overloaded in midfield and out wide so a squad player role was the best he could have hoped for this season. Don't be surprised if he leaves in January due to lack of game time. Jack of all trades but master of none is our James Milner.

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{Ed001's Note - I think people forget how bad he was after his initial good start. He offered nothing going forward and was all over the place defensively as teams targeted him. He was an excellent stop gap emergency left back, but that is all.}

16 Sep 2017 01:50:42
Yes Harry, Milner is still streets ahead of "an in form Moreno"

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{Ed001's Note - I disagree, go back and watch his games again, he was caught out of position, just like Moreno, but offered nothing going forward and lacked the pace to get back in. Ok Moreno makes rash tackles, but at least he is getting back to affect the play, Milner was just getting left stranded, even though he was not going forward as far or as much. I like Milner, he has a fantastic attitude and was a great emergency left back, but he should only ever play there again in a major injury crisis.}

16 Sep 2017 01:58:09
I think that's a bit unfair in Moreno. His attacking play has improved no end and whilst defensively he's not solid he is clearly making an effort to curb the rash diving in which has got him in trouble previously. He has has visibly started to learn about staying on his feet and goal side, and he knows that if he let's his current standards slip, Robertson comes straight into his place.

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16 Sep 2017 04:26:12
We have Moreno, Robertson, TAA and Gomez who can play much better than Milner at full back. Please stop putting Milner's name into the hat. He is ok to play in cup games and for seeing out games, that's it.

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16 Sep 2017 04:57:24
Too many people on this page play favourites, Moreno has been better than usual of late and Bette ThTs. Milner last year (no offence to Milner he did an admirable job! ) but lovren/ insert keeper here/ Moreno get the blame (sometimes rightly so) yet others have bad games and have excuses made, 'hendo', matip, even firmino at times get a free pass! Firmino isn't a striker but does well I creating space for mane and salah, so now mane is absent should we omit roberto for an out and out striker? Shall we kick out an averge Henderson? No because the fans like them?

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16 Sep 2017 08:07:23
Hendo has been average at best this season but was quality last season and we really missed him when not playing. I think he has earnt a little grace.
Firmino is a great player and although not a natural striker he fits perfectly into our system especially now we have Salah, he gives 100% every game and doesn't get flack because he doesn't deserve it.
I agree with you regarding Matip, but I think the reasoning is that people tend to think it's Lovren bringing out the worst in him, to be fair it could be the other way round as Lovren has looked worse since being paired with Matip, as another poster said he seemed to be forming a decent partnership with Sakho.

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16 Sep 2017 08:23:44
I don't really rate Moreno but he has been a little better, his link up play is starting to come through and did well for our first goal on Wednesday.

Maybe Andy Robertson will get a chance today against Burnley. Tricky game today chaps, Id like to Couthino start, him and Salah seemed to have an understanding in pre season so it'll be interesting to see how they link up today, should they both start.

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16 Sep 2017 09:54:38
Robertson anyone?

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16 Sep 2017 10:13:22
Agree, really want to see Robertson play more - mom on debut in a position we don't know who our best is. Milner agreed to play there for the season but it was known he doesn't want to play defence. Assume that's why he's not featured there. Love Moreno as shows he wants to Play for us when I watch him I'm always hoping he'll be good but again he's not got goal side and not stopped an important goal and also against hoffenheimn 2nd leg the goal from his side he could have easily defended if he was simply aware of who was around him - winning games is more important and he does not seem able to change that aspect of his game, so frustrating.

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16 Sep 2017 10:43:20
I know Robbie hit the post with the penalty, but in match changing situations like that, it would have been great to have Milner on the pitch to step up,

Just a thought Ed.
Do you think Milner could play the holding midfield role?
He seems to have dicipline to avoid being pulled forward on attacks, and reads the game well,

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{Ed001's Note - no, not for me.}

17 Sep 2017 06:06:52
On hindsight, what position did he play. and can we say he did an Ok Job. personally i prefer he plays even our next game ahead of our Captain.

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17 Sep 2017 07:28:04
Milner offers more defensively and offensively than Moreno.

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{Ed001's Note - no he does not, I really do not know what people were watching last season but he offered nothing.}

15 Sep 2017 22:31:09
Is nathaniel clyne actually injured?

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15 Sep 2017 23:05:15
Yeh he's got coutinhoitis.

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