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26 Jun 2017 22:58:52
Keita wants to leave and Liverpool will have a bid of 68M + add ons accepted within a fortnight.

YNWA.

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26 Jun 2017 23:35:59
Nostradamus?

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26 Jun 2017 23:42:45
why no other teams after him and only Liverpool? Any obvious reason?

Why not Spurs, Juv, RM, Barcelona after him if he is so good.

Cheers.

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27 Jun 2017 00:00:17
Got Saturday's winning lottery numbers as well while yer at it there Mystic Meg?

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26 Jun 2017 23:53:53
Decent.

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27 Jun 2017 00:20:29
I don't see it happening. Great if it does not the end of the world if it doesn't.

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27 Jun 2017 00:27:37
Awesome Skezza, what's the lotto numbers next week?

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27 Jun 2017 00:48:40
No bids have been placed for Ox and Keita.

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27 Jun 2017 03:13:14
Because they don't need him £68m bad.

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27 Jun 2017 06:07:20
Couple of general questions about the transfer process here. Apologies if done already. During the transfer window we all get a bit excited when we read these headlines; 'Liverppol bid £xxxm for player y' etc. How long is it taking these journos to get the information and how much time are the club investing into completing these deals. When I went to bed, no bids submitted for Ox or Keita, wake up and reports of bids. (10pm - 5am) Do they (whoever 'they' are) work round the clock until a deal is done? Work nights, get em drunk and try and get away with a lower offer? Are they in teams working shifts? My estimation is that the people involved in a transfer are normal people with families and need to go home to eat and sleep like we all do. I reckon the media are either getting info late or are fabricating stories for paper sales. (Probably the latter) .

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{Ed001's Note - it is the latter usually. It is very very rare that bids go in. However it is not exciting enough for the tabloids to say that Liverpool phoned up to ask if X is available for transfer. That is not a story, but Liverpool putting in a bid for X sounds exciting, even if it is not true.}

27 Jun 2017 07:31:42
Ed1, may I ask how a deal is worked out after the initial contact please? For example, Liverpool have enquired about the availability of Player Y (for this case we'll assume they haven't tapped him up) . How would a fee be calculated from there? Is it as simple as finding a middle ground between what the buying club wish to pay and what the selling club wish to receive?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - not quite that simple, as there is also the details such as when the payments are received, in what amounts at a time, if there are add ons, potentially buy-back clauses and many other minor details too.}

27 Jun 2017 07:54:53
Maxlfc, Nostradamus is to become our chief scout 😁.

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27 Jun 2017 08:41:14
I have also heard that our home kit next season will be Red and we'll be fielding 11 players for our first game.

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27 Jun 2017 08:22:52
Thanks Ed1. Is it the minor details details that usually make the negotiations last so long or is it just the overall process?

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{Ed001's Note - usually ironing out the details, though payment terms are not really minor.}

27 Jun 2017 09:36:25
11 players all in red Skezza? Now there's a scoop! We are playing with no keeper next season! Mind you some would say we've had no keeper for the last 4 years. ;-)

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28 Jun 2017 16:36:34
Tbf to skezza lallanas banana he said wed play in red and have 11 players on the field, not 11 players in red 🤣😉.

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26 Jun 2017 21:49:48
Some reports coming out we are trying to sign Lucas Moura from PSG for 26 million. Don't know if true only just read it.

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26 Jun 2017 22:54:15
Would be a great singing but i don't really think these reports are up to date. We allready singned Salah and another winger would mean someone won't get regular first time football and for someone how is a regular for the best team in france and a regular in the CL i don't see why he should come to us.

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27 Jun 2017 01:29:34
Good enough for X factor crammie? 😂😂.

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27 Jun 2017 12:19:18
Lucas Moura links are at least 18 months old and besides, we already have Salah so that should tell the OP that the Moura links are just nonsense.

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25 Jun 2017 21:58:41
I've searched for this but can't see anything. I've just heard now that Leipzig have slapped €80m on keita. Anything on this eds?

Looks like Liverpool are being made to spend big for their stupid mistake.

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{Ed002's Note - They don't need the money and don't want to sell. Hence a figure that would be too good to turn down.}

25 Jun 2017 22:18:07
Is he worth that? No.
Do RBL want to sell? No.
Does Keita want to leave? No.
Have the eds said we sustain an interest? No.

Leave it now.

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25 Jun 2017 22:27:52
80m euro is really not that much, when you consider a 70m price tag for VVD.

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25 Jun 2017 22:58:45
Yes they have.

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25 Jun 2017 23:03:07
And now they have quoted a price of 80 mil euros for him indicating he could be sold which is good news.

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26 Jun 2017 00:59:47
I don't know why everybody don't want a player for it cost. This transfer window is very important because we are already very strong and we just need to reinforce our weaknesses (lb cb cm rw) and if we have the money we should pay what it is needed because if we sign all the players we need apart from having a quality squad depth and being ready for all the competition we play I'm sure we will be able to win the league and start our hegemony in this premier league era.
Just 190m more to start our era (vandijk 70m keita 80m mendy 40m)
I know it won't happen but I have hope that we are really close to be successful again.

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26 Jun 2017 08:04:29
At the end of the day, It's not our money, Why are the fans worrying about transfer fees haha.

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26 Jun 2017 08:44:22
The price doesn't matter, it's all relative.
Alun Evans cost us £100,000 from Wolves in 1968.

Eyewateringly ridiculous amounts of money being thrown around, we thought, back then.

Can you imagine what the prices will be i ten years time?
One day a club will pay £1 Billion for a player.

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26 Jun 2017 08:50:24
Whether it is my money or not is a false argument and a non-entity. I don't want my club spending ridiculous sums of money on players who are simply not worth it. Keita has only had one season in a top league in Europe and a 70m fee for such a player regardless of his talent which Keita is indeed talented, is a risk that FSG won't sanction and I support them on that front.

The fact is that Keita is no 50m player and this is coming from someone who has seen him play lots of times. He is very good but is definitely NOT 50m or 70m pound good. Even Mbappe is no 100m player.

RBL don't want to sell. Player does not want to leave and RBL don't need the money. Take a hint, genius! If a girl is sending you these types of signals during courtship and you can't figure it out then I fear for you. Keita nor RBL are just not that into you. Move on and stop being a stage 9 clinger.

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26 Jun 2017 08:54:35
Guess the question is, do we got out and lash big money on one of the brightest centre midfield talents in Europe or do we lash big money (but considerably less) out on someone who isn't a centre midfielder and is nowhere near as good as the primary target. Because the second option is largely what we've been doing for the last 20 years or so and part of the reason we've always fallen short.

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26 Jun 2017 09:06:31
The €80mio was a pricetag that the "Bild" in Germany reported on. The Bild in Germany is like the Sun in England.

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26 Jun 2017 09:09:52
There is no guarantee that Naby Keita will cut it in the EPL and for 80m it is not worth the risk. We have plenty of quality MF's. Gini, Hendo, Lallana, Can and it looks like Coutinho will be taking an MF role as well next season so for 80M euros I would forget it.

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26 Jun 2017 10:23:30
I jaye mancs no doubt about that but what madinho said last year is true. no sense of Money these days.

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26 Jun 2017 10:41:32
Fairenough Brussels, but money in football is mad. Is anybody worth 50m or 100k+ a week to live football? No. But that's how it is.

You have to take The massive figures being thrown with a pinch of salt ha. It's how the game is now. id rather Liverpool bought the brightest players out there.

Regarding rbl not wanting to sell, Everybody has a price. Clearly you ain't that good at courting 👍🏼
Fsg were going to sanction a mega deal for VVD, why wouldn't they do it for a younger player who bossed the German league?

Everybody has opinions and I respect that. But I want my club to sign the best players out there, regardless of the fees.

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26 Jun 2017 13:32:35
Can someone tell me what type of midfielder he is please and who he is similar to. i've never seen him play, is he box to box, deep lying playmaker, dm or what. thanks in advance.

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26 Jun 2017 13:56:19
Why would RBL suddenly slap this price tag on him, if he has no wish to leave?

Also he can leave for less next summer, due to his release clause, apparently.

This may run on an on, but this move by RBL suggests he may well be leaving this summer.

Is he worth it? Hard to tell. The transfer fees have suddenly gapped up by a huge margin this summer: last year's 40 million seems to be this year's 70 million.

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{Ed002's Note - Any release clause is of NO RELEVANCE TO LIVERPOOL whatsoever.}

26 Jun 2017 14:56:45
i think this rumour was started by an Italian journalist of dubious reputation. I think Naby Keita would fit the role Klopp had earmarked for Coutinho next season. No way would either of them want to sit and watch the other play most of the big games. In theory NB could come in and Couts go but I cannot see this happening and certainly hope it isn´t happening. All will be revealed in a few weeks and we have a CL qualifier in mid August, barely 7 weeks away, so have to have things done and dusted by then.

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26 Jun 2017 15:29:35
I think we have a good chance of landing kieta. I would expect the fee to be closer to 40 mil than 70/ 80. I'd be a much happier fan when we sort out our defensive problems ie cb lb. Anything other than that is bonus as we have one of the most creative and deadly attacks in the world.

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26 Jun 2017 15:43:26
Raphael Honigstein which to my knowledge is one of the most trustworthy sources in Germany, has said the he wants to leave and is available, but the price remains the same as they do not need nor want to sell.

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26 Jun 2017 16:53:50
The German journalist is highly regarded so I take him at his word. Now, RBL don't need to sell so they are happy with taking us to the cleaners for a player who is like it or not, unproven in Europe and has had only one good season in Germany. Those are the facts. Now if we want to pay for such a talented player then we should pay what we think he is worth and that is 50m (even tho that is too high, IMO but I'll bite) . I know the TW is crazy with crazy money being thrown around but that does not mean we should do the same. I was for Salah coming for 35m to 40m cos he is proven and more proven than Keita is so how can people explain that we should pay 70m for a player who is less proven than Salah? This is just a simple and logical question. H will be a big risk, even bigger than Pogba who was and is proven before he got signed for 89m. That's my beef.

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Pogba. Did you obsess about comparing in the showers at school?}

26 Jun 2017 20:02:48
What is 'the sun' you talk about, never heard of it?

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{Ed025's Note - its a big yellow round ball in the sky.. :)

26 Jun 2017 20:47:19
£70m for VVD and £70m for Keita. Liverpool are going to break all kinds of transfer records as well as probably having the highest wage bill in Europe.

It is ok though, not the fans money even if LFC cannot actually afford that kind of expenditure :-)

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26 Jun 2017 22:10:14
If it's the right player we should pay the money. How many were saying the money we spent on mane and wanjama (spelling) in particular was way over the top last year!

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26 Jun 2017 22:37:45
Fans have a short memory when the club was on the verge of bankruptcy. H and G borrowed money left right and centre from the banks to keep the club running when the club could not afford it.

There is much more money in football now but that does not mean LFC can sustain a transfer window of £200m plus mountains of wages.

The club is taking on debt under FSG. Luckily not through the banks :-) LFC's debt continues to grow, FSG fit the bill. Not a very healthy situation to be in, for FSG or the LFC.

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25 Jun 2017 12:56:19
Eds

Any update on LB targets? most of news seems focused on VVD, Keita, Ox but concerned no real momentum towards signing a specific target is evident for our weakest position, LB. City seems to have leg up on Mendy.

respect.

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new.}

25 Jun 2017 13:38:40
agreed redordeadJA - the lack of movement is frustrating. I would want a complete squad by August. The first CL qualifier on 15th/ 16th August is one of our biggest games in last few years. Certainly need the defence sorted by then.

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25 Jun 2017 18:08:13
The transfer window is shut 😎.

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25 Jun 2017 19:18:57
Question for Ed01, how successful, if at all, have LFC being at stemming the insiders info to the media and others? Of course they can't control the info flow from agents and the other side.

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{Ed001's Note - obviously terrible or no one would have known what was going on with regards to Salah and VVD.}

25 Jun 2017 19:44:41
They leak information purposely or was doing so to get an advantage. It backfired with the VVD one.

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25 Jun 2017 22:16:11
Need to relax, there is still plenty of time to get out transfers in.
In klopp we trust.

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25 Jun 2017 21:55:20
Sorry Ed01, I was referring to Post VvDgate as the only speculation in the media seems to be linking us with players you and other Eds have discounted. I get the feeling that the flow has been reduced as I'm guessing we will get a CB and LB at least and all we are seeing are old stories rehashed.

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{Ed001's Note - everyone knew about Salah. It is more because the club have been forced to rethink the way they conduct transfers by the FA's possible action.}

26 Jun 2017 08:17:27
How can anyone downvote Ron's post? Factually 100% true.

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26 Jun 2017 13:00:20
Same with all my posts Andy 🤠.

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24 Jun 2017 23:03:50
apparently saints now asking £70m for vvd if any club will meet it, any updates ed001 mate do you reckon klopp will pull out all the stops this time?

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{Ed001's Note - Saints have not changed their stance on VVD at all.}

25 Jun 2017 08:33:01
Surely there are better alternatives out there for much cheaper.

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25 Jun 2017 08:41:11
£70m for Liverpool and £56m for Chelsea! We've more chance of signing Dick Van Dyke.

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25 Jun 2017 08:48:58
I think it's 70m to whoever signs him.

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25 Jun 2017 09:32:39
Best to walk away. You could get 2 decent CH for that.

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25 Jun 2017 09:40:14
Totally agree 70 mill is a lot of money for a defender. Could get a LB and a decent CH for that money and still have change.

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25 Jun 2017 09:43:16
I think after all that's gone on and what we are trying to achieve we bite the bullet and move on guys hung his jacket on our nail Jurgens had the chat its went pear shaped our mistake we pay for it.

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25 Jun 2017 10:17:08
i think we should pay whatever it takes and learn our lessons.

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25 Jun 2017 10:47:57
70m for vvd. Just pay it who cares its not your money. One player can win you the league. Kante. Schemicheal. hazard. terry etc. Why buy another 30m lovren / sahko. Its quite clear that a striker and left back and holding mid may be coming. With such a dodgy keeper id rather vvd and an average lb.

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25 Jun 2017 11:13:53
This is a guy who is supposedly quick but had to pull down Firmino to stop him. Firmino is not exactly quick and Van Dijk was incredibly lucky not to be sent off. He is average and whoever pays £70m for him is a mug.

Fonte is the player everyone should have been after. He made Lovren look good, and then he made Van Dijk look good. Modern football tends to highlight the more in your face players though. Essentially, Lovren/ VVD were the rash, aggressive players who would ping the fancy passes, whereas Fonte was the guy who never got noticed because he made everything look easy and never made a mistake. His positional sense, reading of the game, and organisational qualities are what made him the glue of Southampton backline. Yet they have nearly conned us into paying £100m for his average partners. Thank god that £70m deal isn't happening because it would be embarrassing.

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25 Jun 2017 11:22:07
Have to agree with MK. You'd have to be half witted to pay to pay anywhere close to that.

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25 Jun 2017 11:23:54
Also the same guy who caught mane to put in a goal saving block. for a cbk he is a great athlete and very quick for his size. As I've said previously being from Scotland I've watched and wanted him from days at celtic. could see he was going to be a top player, a lot of top teams will be kicking themselves as all looked and never took gamble as Spl is a poor standard.

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25 Jun 2017 11:54:39
Spot on Z99.

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25 Jun 2017 11:37:19
May I just add to my previous post. As much as I have always wanted us to sign him, I agree £70m is to much!

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25 Jun 2017 11:37:35
Yes MK I think we also have to be careful of player who look good in lesser teams but struggle to step up a level. We've bought a few big fish in small ponds who now Lin very average in a better team. I would say Mane is a good example of an exception where he has showed the form that made us buy home and still made progress.

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25 Jun 2017 11:47:04
I have to admit that I'm struggling to think of another centre back with the same attributes (physically strong and imposing, dominant in the air, quick and good on the ball) as an alternative as there are none playing in the PL that have all of those attributes and not too many abroad either.

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25 Jun 2017 11:49:14
Its astounding that Klopp, Rogers, their coaches and the scouting team didn't spot that error, MKScouser. Maybe send Jurgen a quick email regarding Fonte and you could save the club a possible 70m. Clueless bunch they must be.

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25 Jun 2017 12:05:00
Koulibaly the cb from napoli is way better and he is two or three times better than vvd really and he would be cheaper.

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25 Jun 2017 12:24:56
Question.
What would happen if Chelsea have a £60m offer accepted and we decided to match that offer?

Would the FA take it upon themselves to look into the transfer, knowing full well the shenanigans we got up to?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the addition of VVD but not at the expense of a potential transfer ban.

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{Ed002's Note - It has been done to death.}

25 Jun 2017 12:40:57
I'm sorry mk but pulling down one striker doesn't make you a bad player. I'm not saying he is worth 70 mill, but it's just picking one moment in a season to define him.
Fonte is average too.

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25 Jun 2017 12:48:00
Lallana20, you ever seen Koulibaly? He's like Djimi Traore on pies. Yeah he's a big lad, but he's got the turning circle of the QE2 and is pretty reckless. Yeah, he is strong and very tall, but his football ability is limited to finding Row Z.

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25 Jun 2017 12:48:54
Voronin you can turn a blind eye and pretend that professionals don't get things wrong if you want. I honestly couldn't care less. Lest we forget that their are some absolutely shocking players who have made it to the top of the game before being found out. Particularly in England. Bramble, Shawcross, Caulker to name a few.

Love the guy who tried to use him catching Mane as a defence though. You literally just reiterated my point! He is a highlight reel defender who is constantly making recoveries because he is too oblivious to stop the danger in the first place.

You want a defender as strong and fast? Boateng, Koulibaly, Manolas, Ramos, Varane, Colley, Kompany, Bailly etc. But that is just off the top of one persons head so there can't much more out there who would cost less than £70m, right? Our scouts sometimes need to do their job and stop raiding Southampton.

I am all for giving a player a chance if they sign to prove me wrong. But seeing as the VVD move is now dead, I feel I can express my honest opinion. He is a terrible defender. It says it all that the only positives you are drawing are his physical attributes! Football is a game won by the brain, not the body. The Germans, the Spanish, and the Italians know this which is why they blitz the English at every opportunity.

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25 Jun 2017 13:10:43
Mk vvd is class, good with his feet shown by his free kick abilities, can pass, good physically and marked Sturbridge out the game in both legs of the efl cup, 70m is expensive but he and alderwiereld are the best cbs in the bpl, so we should buy him.

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25 Jun 2017 13:11:19
{Ed002's Note - It has been done to death. }

I do not see why people keep on bringing up this issue Ed002.

People, people, people. Get this into your thick heads. If Liverpool are going to make further approaches for VVD then the FA will step in and sweep clean. How many times does this have to be explained?

If Liverpool stay clear of VVD then nothing else will happen unless we tap up another player.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure your assumptions are true.}

25 Jun 2017 13:31:35
Young red- vvd only played in the first leg and We were shocking all over the pitch that game.

Vvd is good on his day but looks much better in the saints defence than he would in ours. He gets caught out of position far too often and that would only get highlighted more if he played for us when we have our high back line.

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25 Jun 2017 14:12:51
Boateng - Why would he leave the Bayern for us? Let's be honest!
Koulibaly - Lumpen, clumsy and only quick in a straight line, not quick on the turn and a bit error prone. Napoli are also notoriously hard to deal with.
Manolas - Roma don't need to sell now and he's a bit of a hot head to say the least, walking red card is a fair description, Monchi would make us pay through the nose!
Ramos - I'I presuming you mean Sergio? Thug, not that quick, over rated, poor in the air and a complete liability.
Varane - Never going to happen. Just never going to happen. Real Madrid to Liverpool at a time they just bombed out Pepe.
Colley - No experience at the top level, not convinced personally. Bit wary of the fact his brother plays for Chelsea and they weren't interested.
Kompany - Injury prone and nearing the end of his time at the top, injurues have taken their toll on his pace, always one kick away from time on the treatment table.
Bailly - Do I need to explain why this won't happen?

Personally I'd like us to go for Christensen from Chelsea if Van Dijk isn't an option. He's a real talent. Brilliant defender, quick, decent in the air and a good footballer.

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25 Jun 2017 14:19:20
Hansen's scar we are talking about a seasoned defender here in kalidou koulibaly. you should watch Italian serie A. really. To compare him to jimi traore is a damn right insult to defenders really. This senagelese cb is the real deal try watching his clips.

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25 Jun 2017 14:33:06
"Try watching his clips". I've watched a lot of Serie A and seen Napoli several times, I don't need to watch clips. He's very clumsy and lumpen. He makes Sakho look composed on the ball, hence the Traore comparison.

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25 Jun 2017 13:23:16
Why would it not be Ed?

Are Liverpool going to end up paying what Soton will request? If we go in and haggle then we will make an absolute mockery of ourselves again. If things fall through then Soton will surely go back to the FA as we just added more fuel to the fire.

The only way Liverpool will be able to sign VVD is for LFC to ask Soton to name the price and pay it.

Anything other than that will see Liverpool ending in the cesspool again.
There is not knowing what Soton will ask us to pay but it most definitely is not going to be pocket change. Again, will Liverpool pay Soton's price approching them in the correct manner and if Soton's time is wasted the deal goes nowhere with the player only wanting to join us after tapping him up, what happens then?

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{Ed002's Note - The point is that it is unrelated to any investigation that may be undertaken.}

25 Jun 2017 14:43:26
MY scouser I was in fact using one situation to show his speed just as you did with the point about firmino. And instead if giving him credit for recovery on mane you used it to blame him! When in fact it was Bertrand who was caught out and Vvd got back to cover. but hey that doesn't fit with your story! As I said I've watched him for years not highlights like you stated.

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25 Jun 2017 14:46:16
It won't be 70 will it. Of course not. Newspapers making up ridiculous figures this year. Somewhere between 45/ 50 thank you very much. If we get him and a decent lb I think we will win the league. Trust in klopp, best manager in the league.

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25 Jun 2017 15:19:03
I've been reading every window how we need a Marquee signing, splash the cash etc. If the club feel VVD is right for the money then quit fing off and sign him. And if he does come get behind him and don'moan the first mistake he makes
Matt in FL.

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25 Jun 2017 15:28:55
£70m would likely get you Mendy and De Vrij. need I say any more?

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25 Jun 2017 16:03:23
He doesn't have to be either "class" or "average".
He is certainly NOT average. The standard of centre backs in the premier league is extremely low. VVD is much better than the average defender in the premier league.

I worry about you MKS when you think Gibson is a better defender than VVD. They really are leagues apart in terms of quality.

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25 Jun 2017 19:34:31
MK Scouser, if VVD was such a poor defender and Fonte is a much better player, why is it that Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City want VVD and not Fonte who can be easily bought even now with a fraction of what VVD will cost?

You also mentioned earlier that you think Collins, Dann, Gibson, Yoshida are better than VVD! Honestly, I think you are a little confused man.

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26 Jun 2017 00:07:51
I don't agree that VVD is just an average defender; he is far far better than that. But then I also don't agree with "pay the price and get him and we'll learn our lesson". The prices being bandied about, even before the tapping up revelations, was already too high. And it seems to be a crazy sellers market out there now, particularly when English clubs are involved. It makes no sense at all when you consider that the best player in the League this past season (Kante) was bought for 36 Million, and players who might reach his level or standard (VVD, Keita and Mendy) are being quoted at double, a year later.

We got our LW. Let's go out and get competent LB and RBs, and then scour the market for fair priced players that will strengthen our bench. They are definitely out there. Agreed, EPL teams are flush with funds because of the new TV deal, but that's no reason to forget we were bleeding a million a week just a couple of years ago.

Many will say "what about the other teams that will strengthen? ". I'd say let them. ManU did beautifully with Mourinho and Ibrahimovic, did they? Arsenal imploded as usual, and there is no reason to believe it won't be repeated. ManC needs a rebuild anyway, simply because the squad is old, and not only because they have a new manager. Spurs are a threat but they don't have any glaring weak positions, so how much can they improve? Chelsea won because they added two key players to a squad that already won two years ago, and they got a manager who screwed the players' heads back on straight. Let's not forget we were title contenders on January 1st, before the cracks started showing. We need a minimum 2 players (LW and LB) and probably a maximum of 4 (adding a CB and CM) . And I don't see the need the pay extortionate prices. Both FSG and Klopp seem to be fiscally prudent, so I don't see any problems there. It's just the supporters who start salivating at the bait that is always being thrown at them by the journalists and media.

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26 Jun 2017 15:40:23
I'm intrigued by all the comments about can get a good LB and a CB or two CBS or whatever for less than this price. Yet interestingly none of those posts include details of these players capable of contributing to an EPL winning team that are going on the cheap.

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24 Jun 2017 19:25:16
Hey ed01, could I please ask you for an update in the CM situation, and what are the expectations for next season?

It would seem that we are fairly serious in targetting Naby Keita, and I am all for that, because he seems an exceptional talent, and sometimes you just need to make room in the squad for such.

However, I am a little confused whether we are pushing for Keita specifically, or will an alternative CM be sought.

We seem surprisingly well-stocked in that position, even with Lucas leaving, we could keep Stewart as a utility player - it seems he did not make the next step in his development, but for me he is no worse than, say, Cocquelen.

The Oxlade-Chamberlain interest also confuses me. The lad needs to be a starter, and he won't be with us. Gini and Emre should be ahead of him.
One last thing - what are the expectations for Gini next year? Does he remain a regular starter, were Klopp and the training staff pleased with him? Personally, I liked him very much, but another of the eds pointed out that he went missing too often, so I am curious how does the club view him?

Cheers, have a good one!

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{Ed001's Note - Keita is not looking for the move, Oxlade-Chamberlain is the alternative. Wijnaldum is expected to be a regular.}

24 Jun 2017 19:51:43
Thing is that Ox isn't a centre midfielder, I can't understand the interest in him, as he's never looked much more than a one dimensional wide player with delusions of being a centre midfielder. I'd be disappointed if we went from Keita to Ox as the gap in ability between the two is huge. We'd be better off giving Stewart a chance than wasting money on Ox if we couldn't get a really top player like Keita.

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24 Jun 2017 19:56:00
This may be stupid ed but I'm going to ask anyway. Say if we sign the Oxs would the club keep trying to get Keita?

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{Ed001's Note - keep trying? We are no longer trying already.}

24 Jun 2017 20:32:38
Ed can you say or not please if there has been contact between us and Arsenal, or even talks between representatives and were talks are at currently.

Appreciate if i've asked to much and you don't want to say, but you do normally advise us of contact.

Thanks again mate.

I really hope we get him tbh.

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{Ed001's Note - he has been told he can leave if he wants and a bid comes in that meets Arsenal's valuation. As far as I am aware that is as far as things have gone, but Klopp really does want to sign him, he wants to join Liverpool, so I expect a deal to be done.}

24 Jun 2017 20:37:01
oh dear. not a good alternative.

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24 Jun 2017 20:48:14
So, across the whole of the world, what we are expecting to believe is that Ox is the best we can come up with for centre midfield? And this is the reason why we fail to ever really compete at the highest level and will continue to fail.

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24 Jun 2017 20:49:06
More average English over hyped players. Just what we need, not.

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24 Jun 2017 20:58:40
Wow. Cheers ed. Spot on again mate. didn't expect that reply. I hope we get a deal done. Have a good evening mate.

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24 Jun 2017 21:01:23
How is that the different option tho.

Just don't understand it. Same as sanchez to ballotelli.

Keita, cyprian, seri, gueye and kante should be the targets.

Obv two of them are not avaliable but there all pretty much the same mold.

How you get from kieta to oxlade is beyond me.

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24 Jun 2017 21:11:48
Why go for ox when today in the papers they are saying renato sanches has been made available for 23m down from 30m. I know he didn't play much for Bayern last season but at benfica he looked like a really promising young CM. I feel he moved to early in his career but he still has time to fulfil his immense potential. Another one we were linked with (to what degree I'm unsure) Gabriel Barbosa another that moved a little early and it didn't work out for him. But remember the last Brazilian Liverpool bought from inter and how that turned out?

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24 Jun 2017 21:17:08
I think everybody's over reacting to Ox coming in.
Everybody was quite upset with Mane and Wiji, I believe at arsenal, Arsene never made any progress with them, he's taken Ox, as far as he can, I believe he'll thrive under Klopp, especially if he's so keen on him to join, that'll install some confidence in Ox. I believed he'll surprise us all and I reckon he'll fulfill his abilities with us.
After the mane and wiji fieasco I think we should judge what they do on the field.

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24 Jun 2017 21:17:49
I remember when everybody on here was saying Mane and Wijnaldum weren't good enough.

Not saying Ox is perfect, but people forget he is 23 years old. He finally seems free of his injuries and just had his best season in terms of end product despite it being his first season playing from deeper. He has been historically an attacking midfielder or a winger. Yet last season he played in central midfield due to Cazorla being injured, Coquelin being the French Cattermole, and Xhaka being a thug with no ability. Then he was pushed deeper still to play as a wing back!

I have my doubts over him as part of a midfield 2. He is a bit of a headless chicken. However I'm intrigued to see him off the side of our midfield 3. He could be very good there in my opinion because he has the pace and power to get up and down, he can tackle, he has a good end product for a young player, and he is also comfortable in both central and wide situations.

Nowhere near as negative as some people make out. With Gini it was his fault Newcastle got relegated, and Mane was supposedly some dressing room distraction. Yet last season they were probably level with Coutinho for player of the season. Klopp likes rough diamonds with a point to prove. So we really should stop moaning and let him get on with it!

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24 Jun 2017 21:23:44
I'm surprised Ox being looked at for centre mid, but he's definitely streets ahead of Stewart, Stewart offers nothing going forward. Though Klopp seemed to like him, I think he called him the best tackler at the club.

Shame about Keita, fella looks the real deal.

Ox would give us the option of a further wide player, and considering we sold Ibe for 15m, if the ox was available for 20/ 25 that wouldn't be a bad bit of business imo.

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24 Jun 2017 21:44:34
If we do get Ox i think there will be a few suprised on here. I think what Klopp is looking for is pace in the side, with Mane Salah and Ox we have 3 options who all can play either left or right and all have amazing pace to break teams down. Ox may even be an option for a wing back if we go to 3 at the back, which is my thinking of the way we will play next season (hence trying for VVD) .

I for one hope we do get him,

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24 Jun 2017 22:00:07
Thing is that Ox isn't and never has been a centre midfielder! He's simply not up to it, it was obvious against Scotland and even more so against France that he isn't. He chased shadows and looked like he didn't have a clue with the ball at his feet, you cannot coach intelligence, it's either there or it's not.

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24 Jun 2017 21:37:23
Jesus ed im sorry your info has attracted so much abuse to us so called fans. I for one am happy if we get him.

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24 Jun 2017 21:54:04
Ox is poor in every position he plays and is severely injury prone, end of. He is a jack of all trade and master of none who lacks intelligence or any technical ability. He is a good athlete, which is code for, "he is crap at football itself" cos a good athletedoes not make a good footballer.

That said, if Klopp wants him then I will differ to him as this is his baby but those trying to sell us the Ox as some kind of good player need to stop cos they are failing miserable at it.

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24 Jun 2017 22:22:58
I agree with MK, the Ox is a good player and will surprise many played in a midfield 3 - however, he is a HUGE step down from Keita, who looks like a world talent. Who knows, it might turn out to be reversed.
What worries me is that I do not, (or rather, wouldn't want) to see the Ox as a regular starter. I like what Gini offers to the table. He would be a perfect understudy for Lallana though, since Adam would at some point start to lose his stamina and dynamism. but would he be happy with that?

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24 Jun 2017 22:32:38
'Will surprise many in a midfield three'? Like he did against Scotland and France? Or the humpings that Arsenal got when he played there for them? He was all at sea in those games, and looked like didn't know what to do. And why? He simply doesn't have the brains to play there so doesn't know where to be at the right time. He's a very average winger on a par with Andros Townsend, nothing more than that.

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24 Jun 2017 22:34:06
Also agree with mk. So many people were asking where does Gini fit it in and say how he is nowhere near good enough. Last season he was almost ever present and was a key player for us. The I'd could do the same.

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24 Jun 2017 22:38:16
£30m apparently. Far too much for someone of such limited ability.

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24 Jun 2017 22:39:39
This it a bit like an old western movie where the Indians say the white man speaks with two tongues, out of one side of the mouth people say they "trust Klopp and he is the best manager" blah blah blah, out of the other they say "what is he doing this player is no good, that player is no good, what is he thinking". BEFORE A PLAYER IS SIGNED!
Either you trust Klopp or you don't. #hesnotlisteninganyway.

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24 Jun 2017 22:46:35
Embarrassing we are berating a player for being linked with us. Agree with MK on Wijnaldum and mane being frowned upon and look how that turned out. I don't think ox is anywhere near as bad as he's being made to be above, plus even if I did I would support he managers decision him to get the best out of him. I was ready to say bye bye to lallana before Klopp came in now he's one of our best players.

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24 Jun 2017 22:51:08
I was one of those who was doubtful about Wijnaldum, and Klopp basically took skills that he saw in him and put them to far better use for the tactical structure he wanted the team to play in. And it worked. Klopp took a supposedly lazy midfielder with a powerful long shot and turned him into a multi-faceted player who plays with far more skills, in many ways, than he ever did at Newcastle.

So why can't it happen with Oxlade-Chamberlain? Klopp has a plan. Trust the man and trust the plan!

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24 Jun 2017 23:26:03
Firstly, the Ox is young and English and will still have a lot of sell on value if it comes to that in a few years time. If we do manage to get him for 25M or so, that's actually at a cut price as he only has 1 year left on his contract. Secondly, he can play in CM or on the wing which will be a massive bonus when the afcon comes around, aswell as our fixture schedule looking a lot more congested this year with the CL games. Lastly, we need a top class squad to compete with the likes of Chelsea for the prem, which is ultimately klopps goal. Forget the other cups, the prem is the most important. Players like stewart can't even be mentioned in the same breathe as the ox. The ox has played at the highest level against the highest teams in the world and they're both the same age. I agree he's not in the same league as Keita, but i still think its a total no brainer for us to buy him, we'll have genuine options next year and players on the bench that can actually effect games.

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24 Jun 2017 23:34:36
Is there a better way to throw £25m away?

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24 Jun 2017 23:51:01
Have some faith in Klopp, we had the same doubts about Gini and Mane, and nobody mentions their transfer fee anymore, if Klopp thinks he can improve a player then there must be reason for it, he's not English and does not give a carp about 'English talent', your man is looking to add players he think will improve our team regardless of where they come from, and he hasn't given us a reason to doubt him so far.

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25 Jun 2017 00:10:10
First Milner is a better full back than Alves. Now Stewart is better than the ox. Silly season.

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25 Jun 2017 01:25:22
I cannot understand the negativity around ox. Seems like he's been about forever. Regular for england and arsenal for 5/ 6 years. That's not the career of a journeyman. I agree with the post that said he may surprise many fans. I'm excited by the interest and eager for it to happen. Another talented, attacking player heading for liverpool.

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25 Jun 2017 01:56:12
Gini and Mane were both starters and in Manes case considered one of their best players in the team. 25 million seems ridiculous for a squad player in his last year.

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25 Jun 2017 02:24:23
Jonny.

9 goals in 129 apperances. from a winger.

3 bad knee injuries.

Atleast 6 weeks out every season.

Got no actual position.

Average wherever he plays.

Cant play cm.

Abd how in any way is he next after keita. How. How does that happen.

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25 Jun 2017 02:31:49
What say you, Ed1, what's your view of The Ox?

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{Ed001's Note - I have given my opinion a number of times, there is no point just repeating myself mate. He is not my choice but Klopp likes him.}

25 Jun 2017 08:21:28
My initial reaction is fairly underwhelmed by the suggestion that Ox might join Liverpool. However.
I'm old enough to remember Shank's signing of Ray Kennedy from Arsenal. That didn't make much sense to any of us either. A complete waste of 200,000 on an aging striker, we thought.
That turned out pretty well though.
Maybe some of us don't know as much as we think we do.

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25 Jun 2017 08:48:08
Ed001 summed it up quite nicely actually.

"{Ed001's Note - I like Salah, he is lightning, maybe even quicker than Mane, plus he is excellent technically. If he can settle in ok and build a partnership with the other players, he will be an excellent signing.

I do not see any reason to think the same of Oxlade-Chamberlain. He is big and strong, but lacks intelligence, which is why he has yet to play well (when I have watched him) when he starts. Like most that lack intelligence, he does his best work when used as an impact sub. Technically I remain to be convinced he is that good, he is all about physical over technical for me. That is not even mentioning the injury problem. }"

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25 Jun 2017 08:50:16
Difference was that Ray Kennedy was a very clever and intelligent footballer. You can't accuse Ox of being either of those.

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25 Jun 2017 09:05:09
I have liked the Ox as a player for a while and think he could do a job for us if we sign him. Klopp must have something in mind for him, so will wait and see. Though, my personal opinion is he is a luxury and not something we need, I would like us to sign a midfield enforcer (tough in the tackle), a CB and LB. But there is a reason I am not the manager and Klopp is, I trust Klopp to get it right.

SA.

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25 Jun 2017 09:10:31
Ox is a good player but not great. When it was first announced that he was going to be available Klopp said he was not interested so I do not expect Ox to arrive at LFC.

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25 Jun 2017 09:16:53
Do you still need a certain number of English players or players who have played in England for s certain amount of time for a champions league squad? Is this possibly the thinking with the Ox?

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25 Jun 2017 10:51:51
Ox and VVD. 90m wasted if we get both. Just go all out for Mendy and prepare for next season.

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25 Jun 2017 11:02:43
The Ox is just not good enough to be a starter for Liverpool. That being said if we can get him for £20m then I would be happy as he would add good squad dept. But you should not be spending £30m on squad dept.

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25 Jun 2017 11:12:26
Brussels red you say people need to stop saying he's a good player, yet you're allowed to say he's a bad player? It's called an opinion and I for one would much rather side with Klopp at this point, seeing his track record, than sit here and proclaim a player isn't good enough for a shirt he's yet to wear. Wenger has struggled to develop players the way he used to, regardless of how Ox has played I think there's a strong argument that Klopp could improve him significantly. Do I personally think there's better midfield options, yes. But this constant 'I'm right you're wrong' from people on here is getting a little draining!

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25 Jun 2017 11:18:25
Better off ignoring people like Brussels, TIA. Been here for years now and you see his kind all the time, but they only last a few months. Some people just cannot respect the opinions of others and attack them instead of their argument. He'll go after Ed002 eventually and get banned 😂.

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25 Jun 2017 13:19:53
I think Ox is a decent player. I also think he'd surprise a lot of doubters if he did come. I think when it comes to signings most of Klopps have been successful and we just have to trust him on this one too.

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26 Jun 2017 17:30:56
Killinghome your memory is playing tricks on you, far from being an ageing striker Ray Kennedy was 23 when he signed.

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24 Jun 2017 18:57:10
Hi Eds.

All has gone quiet on the Sahko situation.

Is there any news if him moving on?

Even as part exchange?

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{Ed001's Note - nothing, with the injury he suffered at the end of the season, I doubt there will be much interest in him this summer unless he can prove himself fit in preseason.}

24 Jun 2017 18:42:23
Eds, hearing a lot of talk of about a move for Aubamayeng. Having scrolled through these posts, i haven't seen it addressed. Is there interest from Liverpool and could a deal happen? 63 million is a steal, even at his age.

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{Ed001's Note - it has been addressed repeatedly, not happening, he and Klopp did not have the best of working relationships.}

24 Jun 2017 21:55:53
63m a steal for a 28 year old with a at times poor attitude? Thank Heavens, you don't run the finances and transfers at the club cos we would be Portsmouth right now.

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25 Jun 2017 00:56:27
Ed01 -

Why is it most of the players who worked with Klopp don't fancy playing for him again?

1 Auba
2. Micky

In fact all top Dortmund players left to play for Bayern Munich.

any specific reason?

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{Ed001's Note - so that is two out of tens of players and you call that most? Two troublemakers as well. Most love him, just ask Hummels, who has done a number of interviews about how much he loves Klopp and loved working with him.

Top Dortmund players left for Bayern because Dortmund had little money and Bayern had lots. It is a bit like asking why so many Saints players left for us.}

25 Jun 2017 13:32:36
Brussels Red, I'll respectfully disagree with you here, thanks for your overstated opinion. A 40 goal per season striker is comfortably worth that money in today's market, even at 28. I've not seen evidence of an attitude problem either. Interesting to know he doesn't get on with Klopp, however this doesn't constitute poor attitude. Thanks for the info Ed1.

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24 Jun 2017 16:41:29
Any transfer update on Sadar Azmoun to Liverpool? I believe that he will soon become hot property.

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24 Jun 2017 18:31:03
He does not want to come to us. He knows his stock is rising and wants to veer a move towards United.

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24 Jun 2017 19:09:20
Thankfully not. He is not that good player and I don't think he is any better than any of our forwards.

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24 Jun 2017 21:56:38
Good luck with that, Azmoun. You're going to need it.

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24 Jun 2017 16:41:28
Any truth in the rumours Swansea have offered 13m for Moreno?

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24 Jun 2017 18:36:19
Pray it's true.

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24 Jun 2017 19:57:02
£13. Take it. Seriously didn't expect anything to happen as he is always awful, but two bids now. Hope it's a fresh starting for him. He certainly tried but just wasn't good enough for us, elsewhere maybe.

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