Liverpool Rumours Archive August 08 2017

08 Aug 2017 23:29:10
Star reporting that chelsea are in for ox as well as being intrested in vd

Ynwa.

09 Aug 2017 00:03:52
A reporter probably so I'm wearing blue and put two and two together.

09 Aug 2017 00:11:12
Although I'm gutted that we'll lose out through our own stupidity on VVD, I'm happy for Chelsea to take Oxlade Chamberlain rather than us waste money on him.

09 Aug 2017 02:17:57
Frankly, that's the first message of yours I've actually agreed with in ages! It's still the mildly depressing eeyore-style we expect from you but I agree that Ox wouldn't be a good addition.

09 Aug 2017 02:37:19
We will land van dyike, relax. Won't look stupid when we beat watford 3.,0.

09 Aug 2017 03:34:49
Frankly. OX is better than moses all day long imo.

09 Aug 2017 05:49:38
Love hearing about all these players we shouldn't get because their not good enough or should get because their world beaters. Seriously just think about it. Mane Not good enough. Karius to replace Migs. Wijnaldum not good enough. Clyne is a world beater. Henderson not good enough. Lovren is the commanding centre back we need. Lallana is class, no wait he's useless we need to sell him, no wait he's brilliant now Klopps here! It's constant tooing and throwing on here. If he comes he comes, and whilst personally I think he's a decent player, we really have no idea how he may or may not fit in under Klopp or another team in general. Sometimes players just work in some teams/ systems and not in others and I think ox would be far more suited to our game than Arsenals. Either way just support the team.

09 Aug 2017 08:02:29
Kiwikop whether he is better than Moses is an irrelevance to me. He's not good enough for the position he thinks he should play in, as he's convinced that he should be a centre midfielder, which plainly he is not and never will be in a month of Sunday's.

09 Aug 2017 08:08:15
I can't really understand the point you are trying to make there, Westwood so I will just say as a matter of opinion with some evidence to back it up as many agree with me on here, Ox is a shambles of a player, a failed winger cum wing/ fullback who sees himself as an automatic starter in CM. Talk about delusion of grandeur. He's awful, pure and simple and Chelsea are welcome to him. He can fight it out with the other average wingback i n Victor Moses.

09 Aug 2017 08:29:42
Im not sure if you guys are familiar with Instagram.
But Ox, has "liked" a comment of a liverpool fan saying "Ox to Liverpool 28million"
You do have to scroll through these comments. It couldn't be accidental.

Either way, im really exited if he came.

Also, if VVD does come in, or go somewhere else.
He wouldn't be playing for a while if he's been out injured and hasn't played any game time?

09 Aug 2017 08:33:15
Precisely Bingo. He is a very average winger who thinks he can play in centre midfield, contrary to fact and reason. Just watch the games against France and Bayern for England and Arsenal and you will see a player completely out of his depth. He lacks the skills and intelligence to be a top class centre midfielder and we should avoid like the plague. My worry is that we sell Coutinho and buy Oxlade as some sort of replacement, that would just be sickening.

09 Aug 2017 10:00:51
I have to agree with Westwood regarding the way we 'fans' treat players. Great signing one minute, crap the next and vice versa.
He is right because picking a team is like putting together a jigsaw. Your have your core of experience, creativity, match winners but you also need the doers. Unsung who break things up, bind the team together etc. Collectively they give us a team. Victor Moses didn't fit here but that doesn't make him a crap player as he was part of the unsung Chelsea champions. That is a fact. If Ox or anyone else comes that does or does not meet fans desire who cares. The proof will be in the results achieved. Its part of the ride and actually exactly why we have this forum - to generate our views.

09 Aug 2017 11:47:37
Oxlade isn't what you would call a doer either, he doesn't make many tackles and doesn't make many interceptions, like I say, he looked completely out of his depth in centre midfield for England and Arsenal, players ran past him for fun and he didn't have a clue about positional sense. The comparison with Moses isn't really a good one as Moses wouldn't get a game at Chelsea were it not for being played as a wing back and there is no way that Oxlade would make their centre midfield either, he would be carted out to wing back. Oxlade is just squad filler at best, surely we have had enough of that over the years? Is it not about time we bought some quality to improve our starting 11?

09 Aug 2017 11:56:39
Talking to a diehard gooner at weekend, they rate the Ox and it would appear they're not alone on it among Arsenal fans. Bit surprised but maybe you have to see him regularly to appreciate it.

09 Aug 2017 12:03:17
Pate, Ox is individually a very poor player. No amount of spinning will change that appraisal as I am not the only one who has that opinion of him. You can hide him in a particular system to caufgt out his inherent flaws just like Chelsea did with Moses an equally poor player but the facts don't change. Our system is not one where players can hide. Just ask Lovren who was well protected by Morgan and Wanyama at Saints and he comes here and looks like he can't tackle a chair. See how that works?

09 Aug 2017 22:29:27
The point I'm trying to make is that people right off players without giving them a chance to prove otherwise. It like people would want him fail if he did sign just so they can say 'I told you so'. I'm recognising (IMO) that Ox's pace and power is much more suited to our game than Arsenals. Finally I think we need to trust Klopp. If he sees something in a player then I'm fine with that. How many on here slate Robertson when he's hardly even kicked a ball? It's like ed002 says everyone craves the 'marquee signing without considering how that may hurt the team dynamic, or jigsaw as mentioned above. None of the Pl winning Leicester team were world beaters (kante excepted) but they got the dynamic right and played their game well. Far more important to get a world class team than a team made up of 11 world class individuals. I think the Ox, for all his faults, could fit in with us. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't slate him as rubbish just because I don't see what our manager clearly does.

09 Aug 2017 22:29:27
The point I'm trying to make is that people right off players without giving them a chance to prove otherwise. It like people would want him fail if he did sign just so they can say 'I told you so'. I'm recognising (IMO) that Ox's pace and power is much more suited to our game than Arsenals. Finally I think we need to trust Klopp. If he sees something in a player then I'm fine with that. How many on here slate Robertson when he's hardly even kicked a ball? It's like ed002 says everyone craves the 'marquee signing without considering how that may hurt the team dynamic, or jigsaw as mentioned above.

None of the Pl winning Leicester team were world beaters (kante excepted) but they got the dynamic right and played their game well. Far more important to get a world class team than a team made up of 11 world class individuals. I think the Ox, for all his faults, could fit in with us. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't slate him as rubbish just because I don't see what our manager clearly does.

08 Aug 2017 21:54:06
Now we're being linked with Vidal, I love the summer transfer window 😞.

08 Aug 2017 22:07:30
my god we must be desperate were being linked with a hairdresser now 😁.

08 Aug 2017 22:25:03
Nivea, and Vidal Sassoon. Handsome.

08 Aug 2017 22:59:54
Not a bad idea though Redsteve222. If we had an in-house hairdresser, imagine the style of player we could attract?

08 Aug 2017 23:10:03
Pip hasn't even cleared out his locker yet and there's a new stylist about to hack away at his first customer of the day! I hope his scissors are blunt and his clippers are rusty! That being said if he gives me a nice hot towel and a little massage like the Turkish fellas in town he's more than welcome!

08 Aug 2017 23:15:47
good idea Burkeyboy goodbye to the spice boys welcome to the. stylish Vidal boys. klopp could do with a decent haircut anyway. roll on the end of the transfer window its driving us all insane.

09 Aug 2017 01:18:21
With a niceness coif like emres I heard we're trying to sign these guys to keep him happy, them luscious locks will NOT leave Liverpool.

09 Aug 2017 08:10:47
The journos are bored and they are now just pulling things out of their backsides to get fans wound up. It's so funny, it's pathetic.

08 Aug 2017 18:24:05
ED002 we all know Neymar has spoken how great it is in Spain. But may be Phil thought he was going there to play with his best mate. I fell he give us one more season and it may not just be Barcelona that he will go too. Neymar may persuade him to go to PSG. Do you think this is possible.

{Ed002's Note - PSG are looking for another "big buy" and ideally would like Mbappe over Sanchez (because he is French). They maintain an interest in Coutinho but I doubt will be bidding.}

08 Aug 2017 20:01:40
Any chance the money from Coutinho could be used on Sanchez? Seems unlikely but we tried for him before and he chose the wrong team. everyone deserves the chance to learn from their mistakes surely ;)

08 Aug 2017 20:08:49
Must be looking to offload a few players to get mbappe in.

09 Aug 2017 12:49:13
I don't think sanchez would sign for us. He is already at a club on level with liverpool. He wants to step up to very top tier of world football. Bayern, real and Barcelona ect

He would be brilliant with DS, would be like old S. A. S.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no interest in Sanchez.}

08 Aug 2017 17:42:05
Eds,

ESPNFC. COM and Bleacher Report now reporting Liverpool have agreed to deal with Barcelona and its all done and dusted.

To your knowledge is this correct?

Sean.

{Ed002's Note - Not to the best of my knowledge - right now I am not aware that agreement has been reached.}

08 Aug 2017 17:53:00
£81.9 million plus add ons shove the add ons up ya a--baca lfc screwed again.

08 Aug 2017 18:08:32
The media should be ignored, OP. They know nothing and are just playing "guess who's coming to dinner". Until the Ed's say something, believe nothing.

08 Aug 2017 17:53:53
Does this mean that you are aware of ongoing negotiations over the sale of little Phil Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - I have already explained what I know from the last few days. As I have said Barcelona will return with a firm proposal and that is what will be considered.}

08 Aug 2017 19:35:30
I'll take the best of ed002's knowledge over any other source 👍.

08 Aug 2017 20:14:38
If he is going, surely we'd hold off on the deal until a replacement is in the bag. Has to be part of negotiations IMHO.

08 Aug 2017 23:48:06
Andy, when have we ever done anything as sensible as that? We know the drill by now. It will drag out until near the end of the window and we'll panic buy and overspend on a player who simply isn't up to it. There are better run Sunday League teams out there.

08 Aug 2017 17:22:18
Eds Espn report deal agree 109m with add ons for Coutinho is it true I had to ask.

{Ed002's Note - I don't think it is.}

08 Aug 2017 17:51:58
This are just rumors so ignore it. If it's officially confirmed then believe it. Klopp said few times he is not for sale.

08 Aug 2017 18:09:21
The media is playing games. Ignore them.

08 Aug 2017 14:00:47
Eds a couple of days ago a news outlet said we are interested in Mbappe if he is available for transfer. If we get the fee were asking for coutinho would we have the money to be in contention for mbappe.

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - You can put thoughts of Mbappe out of your mind Jay.}

08 Aug 2017 19:51:16
fair enough ed, if coutinho leaves do you think we will make another high value signing with the money we get or is that not sensible. maybe use the money to bid higher for a certain mid from Germany who's name im not allowed to say.

cheers.

08 Aug 2017 13:04:14
Afternoon Eds Little magic man Phil will be gone tomorrow it guts me too say. I hope we can get a couple of new faces in. can't wait for the weekend and watch the super reds kick off the season. in lfc I trust.

08 Aug 2017 13:46:10
Based on?

08 Aug 2017 13:56:23
Just somebody else who doesn't know the difference between uninformed opinion and fact.

08 Aug 2017 14:31:55
What do you mean by that killingholme_clay he is just stating the blatant obvious.

08 Aug 2017 14:34:14
Logistics.

08 Aug 2017 15:09:52
If he goes I won't be angry at him because he's conducted himself very well throughout and who would turn down Barcelona if LFC isn't heir boyhood club? I will be angry at the club if they leave us light though, and I will never listen to anything they say.

08 Aug 2017 15:36:51
If Barcelona offer £100m plus and he stays, he will be given the freedom of the city.

08 Aug 2017 16:14:16
Now being reported on ESPN he has asked to go to Barca. You could certainly see the look on Klopps face the other day that he knew something was coming.

08 Aug 2017 17:17:05
yes but sky sports are reporting the complete opposite. that phil is training as normal and that officials are in fact in germany securing dembele and that lfc have no knowledge of them being over here. why on earth would phil be training as normal if a deal and terms have been agreed and he has asked to leave. I don't believe a word that the spanish papers are saying. I don't think ANY OF US will know a thing until either he leaves, or the clock turns midnight on Aug 31st.

08 Aug 2017 10:17:17
Dare I mention the name "reus" 🤔.

{Ed002's Note - I am sure Dortmund would be more than happy to sell him to Liverpool at a good price this summer. Even though Klopp has said he won't be looking to Dortmund players in the past they would certainly make an exception for Reus.}

08 Aug 2017 10:44:07
Have we expressed any interest in him, Ed002, or is he one we would perhaps only consider if Coutinho leaves?

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath about Reus joining Liverpool this summer. Even I don't think that Klopp is really that stupid to look to buy him this summer.

Have you noticed how the smiley clown personna has now gone and he has been attending press conferences looking like a hobo?}

08 Aug 2017 10:48:51
Are Dortmund looking to sell him then Ed 02. Any particular reason why if they are. I. e. Cash in, looking to bring in other players, loss of form.

{Ed002's Note - They would certainly be open to a good offer.}

08 Aug 2017 10:59:57
When you say a hobo, is he now Bozo Texino?

{Ed002's Note - Who is Bozo Texino? The film is a masterpiece of cinematography. I recommend it to all.}

08 Aug 2017 11:12:26
Hobo hahahaha ed002 you crack me up.

08 Aug 2017 11:23:06
Ed - I am quite new but can you explain why it feels like you dislike Klopp?

{Ed002's Note - I don't dislike Klopp - I have simply been truthful about him. Try searching the site using "unprofessional", "illegal approach", "tapping up" etc..}

08 Aug 2017 11:31:30
So ed02 I wasn't expecting that response was a bit of tounge in cheek really. Wasn't there some issue with reus with some sort of underlying injury or have I read more bs paper talk?

{Ed002's Note - Reus has stuggled with injury.}

08 Aug 2017 11:34:04
Sorry ed02, the search function sucks. Smistry, for your benefit - ed02 just says what has been true. Klopp is mediocre given he's not won anything consistently. If the measure is trophies that is. But what else would you measure success with!?

{Ed002's Note - Having a better win percentage in competive games than Rodgers? Oh no, that was an unfair one.}

08 Aug 2017 11:49:41
Ed002, I have watched that film on your previous recommendation and it is utterly compelling. Great film.

{Ed002's Note - Good stuff.}

08 Aug 2017 12:11:04
Ed002.I would be able to match Rodger's win percentage, if I had Suarez to make me appear a 'tactical genius'

08 Aug 2017 13:13:53
Spigot, if it was so easy to win with suarez in the team why couldn't Dalglish do it?

08 Aug 2017 12:40:05
Sorry for being naive Eds,..................

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

08 Aug 2017 13:09:54
Ed02 seeing as you keep bringing up win ratio as a stick to bash Klopp with, heres some stats on the last full season each manager had for the club. But this wouldn't suit your Klopp bashing would it.


Rogers 14/ 15:
58 Games
26 Wins
14 Draws
18 Losses

44% Win Ratio

Klopp 16/ 17:
47 Games
27 Wins
11 Draws
9 Losses

57% Win Ratio.

{Ed002's Note - So you are looking at it selectively. Hopeless. I am not "bashing" Klopp - everything I have said is TRUE.}

08 Aug 2017 13:40:40
Reus is injured and out for another few months so what would be the point of bidding for him, exactly?

08 Aug 2017 13:40:41
alex would those stats include brendans second season with us or his season with celtic, or klopps last season with Dortmund or his time at mainz, you can't judge a player of one season nor can you a manager, and why use brendans worst season with us compared to klopps best? pointless.

08 Aug 2017 13:47:27
Still say a competant sporting director would never have let klopp anywhere near vvd before permission had been granted by southampton.

08 Aug 2017 16:33:57
Sorry ed02 not trying to pick a fight but u can't say everything u say is true when u say klopp is appearing at press conferences looking like a hobo. That is opinion not a true fact.

{Ed002's Note - Why are you such a cretin? Why bother making stupid remarks like this?}

08 Aug 2017 07:54:44
Eds,

Thanks for all the hard work as always. Just wondering whether you know if Liverpool have shown interest in Lanzini or whether he is a player we might turn to if Coutinho goes?

By no means a replacement but a tidy player of a similar ilk especially looking at his stats.

Cheers!

{Ed001's Note - not that I have heard of, though West Ham fans seem to be in a flap about that happening.}

08 Aug 2017 09:05:25
Isn't this what we always do, sell a top player and replace them with a very poor underwhelming alternative?

08 Aug 2017 09:31:38
He would be an okay replacement imo. I think he would kick on surrounded by better players and he's still only young.

08 Aug 2017 09:34:20
Tim Vickery was massively bigging up Lanzini the other day. Said if he's given a chance at a bigger club he is more than capable of stepping up. I've not really seen the lad play that much so I'll reserve judgement.

08 Aug 2017 09:43:33
I'm inclined to agree with Frankly, I don't think there is anyone out there that could replace Coutinho like for like (unless we're buying a youngster with potential), if we do sell him I hope its for straight cash so we can see what we can do, it'll be an absolute shame if he leaves because it's clear he's at the centre of everything we do and the team is being built around him. My worry is that we either won't replace him or that we'll replace him but need to rework the system to do so. Maybe if we went back in for Keita with possibly more money to offer up front that could finally tempt RBL to sell?

08 Aug 2017 09:45:03
Give it a rest Frankly. Fed up reading your continuous stream of negative posts, slating every player linked- irrespective of how tenuous that link may be. Quit the bitching and moaning for a while.

08 Aug 2017 10:02:47
I can only assume that you are happy with mediocrity A-Klopp-alypse Now?

08 Aug 2017 10:15:09
No one is forced to read anyone's posts on here. If it's not your cup of tea either ignore it or argue your points in a debate. After all isn't that what football is all about.

08 Aug 2017 10:20:16
No. Not at all. But saying that I'd still support the team even if they were non-league. I don't expect success. I hope for it. I hope every new signing ( even ones I don't personally rate) will prove to be a good fit and bring success to that club. I'm no football expert. What I don't do is constantly berate players even before they've signed.

08 Aug 2017 10:30:09
It's got nothing to do with being happy or not Frankly.
You comment on almost every single post with the same comment about how crap we are and how everyone linked with us is crap, if we lose Coutinho we'll be crap, blah blah blah.
It's tiresome and boring.
You should be ashamed to have your negative mind set and your username together.
Try supporting the team for a change. It's a game, not a life or death situation.

{Ed002's Note - I completely agree with you and I will be deleting many of the repetative posts from now on. As you say it is tiresome.}

08 Aug 2017 10:31:44
I would add that it isn't as if there isn't decent players out there, Insigne for example is a wonderfully gifted number ten, has the same qualities as Coutinho.

08 Aug 2017 10:15:09
No one is forced to read anyone's posts on here. If it's not your cup of tea either ignore it or argue your points in a debate. After all isn't that what football is all about.

08 Aug 2017 10:43:17
AKAN good points mate I agree.

08 Aug 2017 10:45:21
Well said A-Klopp

Frankly, everyone's opinions are valid but the constant negative stream is getting a little tiresome.

Clearly things haven't worked out well so far. but in reality we haven't seen much more than Salah, Robertson and Solanke coming in, Coutinho perhaps wanting to leave (which we've known for a while), so at worst we're neutral compared to the team we finished with last year and hopefully some new incomings being worked on as we speak.

Have a whinge then get on with supporting the team shall we?

08 Aug 2017 10:49:18
You're bang on frankly didn't we sign a relatively unknown in coutinho £8.5m who could now be going for £100m, I for one think we'd be ok without him . also in other news VVD hands in transfer request.

08 Aug 2017 11:03:54
Coutinho wasn't really an unknown though was he? Benitez tried to sign him at the time that Inter signed him as he was the next big thing coming out of Brazil and £8.5 was widely seen as daylight robbery when we got him.

08 Aug 2017 11:59:20
Lanzini is hardly an unknown either and is used to playing in the prem.

08 Aug 2017 14:32:07
Still not fit to clean Cou's locker, Cobra.

08 Aug 2017 16:07:08
Coutinho may not have been a complete unknown, but we got him for 8.5 cos no one else would take the 'risk', all transfers are hit and miss, but slagging them off before they even sign is a bit rich.

08 Aug 2017 16:29:05
West ham will slap massive price on him now!