Liverpool Rumours Archive September 28 2010

 

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28 Sep 2010 23:33:38
A few weeks ago a posted on here saying that the news that Liverpool had been placed in GRS was old hat and that RBS would give a stay of execution until 16 October and no-one believed me. Looks like I was out by a day, what with the press now saying that 15 October is the end date.

I'm not bulls* ting here. I know that the GRS team in charge is based in Manchester and the law firm I work for has good connections with the team. The team pulled the plug on one of Manchester's biggest law firms (Halliwells) and from what I here, the guy in charge (a rabid Manc) would have no quarms about putting us into administration.

I just hope to God things have moved on since I got my information and that there are some bone fide buyers at the table because that is the only way I can see RBS taking us over (legally, they would have to put us into administration first to enforce the debt before buying us off the administrators - I just hope that the Premier League plays ball and doesn't deduct points).

Presuming there is a takeover but not the money to build a new stadium, why can't we do a phased development of Anfield? Anyone remember Kemlyn Road? All the houses behind the main stand are boarded up and there's nothing behind the Anny Road end, so why not do what was done at the Vicente Calderon and build over the Anny Road and put in a shiny new main stand? Surely that won't be as expensive as building a new stadium would it?

Finally, on football matters, I've seen a few postings on here saying we showed signs of improvement in the last 20 minutes against Sunderland. I agree - but it's no coincidence that we improved after Poulsen went off. Can anyone tell me what he brings to the club? He can't tackle, run, pass or shoot well but apart from that. . While Poulsen was playing, Cattermole ran the show and we could have picked him up last year for what we paid for Poulsen.

I liked the look for Gerrard and Meireles in the centre of the park and I'd like to see Shelvey being brough through (he looked good against Northampton). Other than that, I think we look a bit light in the centre of the park and if we are taken over I'd ship out Poulsen and Leiva (looks like he's linked with Malaga) and other deadwood (sorry Ryan, you've had too many chances) and bring in Banega, maybe Yohan Cabaye from Lille (just called up to the French team and has been tracked by Arsenal) and maybe Llorente from Bilbao up front (oh and not forgetting Turan who is always linked with us).

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28 Sep 2010 23:00:22
Liverpool to sign mata and offer either babel, Lucas or mata in exchange. We will also sign Gomez on loan. With Lucas, maxi and babel gone we will also sign bentley and sign taiwo on a precontract. This will sort out the wings, striker and left back

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28 Sep 2010 21:46:40
Can people stop saying there's no takeover there's only five people who know if the takeover is done or not, maybe the people who's due diligence is being done don't know if there bid is being accepted or not that includes roy hodgson and daglish.

Kingplfc

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28 Sep 2010 21:44:08
LIVERPOOL TAKEOVER! !

Liverpool will not not be taken over until after October 6th when RBS take over the club. The bank won't want to run a football club and so will continue to try and find new owners. The bank will not be looking to make a profit either, they will just want the debt paid so the club will be sold for £350m and not the £800m the greedy yank b* tards were asking for. Why would the club be sold before this, then? If you were looking to buy a club, would you pay £800m or wait 2 weeks and get it for £350m? More offers will be coming in and so the board will have a bigger choice of bidders so they will probably pick a good one. The likelyhood is that we will have new owners before January. Also, when the bank take over, the yanks will go back to America empty handed. . . GET IN! All this talk about us sharing a stadium with Everton is a load of bullsh*t, I know Everton fans who want this to happen as it will finally make them look like a big club, but I would rather stay at our historic Anfield. The only reason why we need a new stadium is to bring in more money but this would not happen if we shared a ground, so why would it happen? It's just Everton fans making stuff up in the hope it will come true ha .

YNWA

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28 Sep 2010 20:42:12
There's no f. .k. g takeover on the horison and that's that. What would Dalgeish be doing talking about sharing a ground with Everton if there was any chance of a real takeover being near.
Jesyus Christ maybe we should all jusrt start wearing blue - & this is the man some of ye wanted as our manager

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28 Sep 2010 20:29:03
RBS TO TAKEOVER LIVERPOOL ON OCTOBER 6TH

LIVERPOOL will avoid a nine-point penalty if they fall under bank ownership next month.
The Premier League will approve an Anfield takeover by the Royal Bank of Scotland if co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillet don't find a buyer or repay their debt by October 6. The RBS has had power to seize the club before but there were concerns about league sanctions. Fans feared that if the Americans defaulted on their loans the club would be plunged into administration, leading to a nine-point deduction.It looks therefore unlikely that there are any serious bids for the club on the boardroom table at this moment in time.
It seems that most potential investors are in fact biding their time until the club is absorbed by RBS and only then will they make an offer substancialy less than the £600 to £800 million that Hicks is looking for.
Indeed, if RBS do takeover Liverpool FC, the dreaded Yanks will end up with nothing, something we should all rejoice in

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28 Sep 2010 19:59:43
Hi All,

I have no updates, but am sure all will be fine.

I know that if i was buying the club, i would wait till i could negotiate with the banks instead of some desperate Americans.

Macca

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28 Sep 2010 19:45:23
Can anyone tell me is Liverpool still involved in Romelu Lukaku story, or they definitely decided to give up on him? ?

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28 Sep 2010 19:01:28
Any players / staff of LFC who reads this please ask the other players to celebrate our next goal in a specific way:
To run to the fans and give the five finger salute, pointing to each individual finger to show that the players know that we the supporters are 100% behind them during these tough times. We're in this mess together and we'll get out of it together! Please pass this on if you do know or have any contact with the playees, it'd be a fantastic gesture from them to recognise our message that we'll support them through thick and thin!
Cheers,
Irish Kev

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28 Sep 2010 18:40:24
Hi ed, your the man answers how long does due diligence take cause they've been banging on about it for weeks now !


Ps where's macca these days have you lost ian ayres phone number? Kingpflc {ed's note - I am not an expert on it but I have asked some people who are, they all tell me it depends on the complexity of the business's accounts. I have been told that it is likely to be a fairly length process in this case, lasting a number of weeks, though only those involved will know exactly how long. There is always the chance that concerns are being flagged up during the process which then have to be addressed. I was told there is no exact figure that can be placed on it and it might well require a fair bit of patience.}

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28 Sep 2010 18:34:24
Everybody forget Kenny Huang as a prospective new owner. To most people it was nothing more than a publicity seeking sham.

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28 Sep 2010 18:20:56
Hi ed, do we have any news on the takeover saga yet ?


Roy could you please sell lucas babel maxi and few other bit part players maybe degan and insua and please but TURAN and MATA please! !

Kingplfc {ed's note - nothing mate, Purslow has stated that a number of parties are in the process of due diligence, so it is just a matter of waiting for that to be completed and hopefully one of the parties will then complete a takeover. I don't expect any kind of real news to come out until after that process is over and a formal takeover is fully underway or the club fails to make the repayments required by RBS.}

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28 Sep 2010 18:06:50
Re groundshare: I do not understand all this tosh about never sharing a ground with Everton. Financially it could make perfect sense so do not dismiss it from a purely emotional stanpoint. Ask a financial man no disrepect ED!

Liverpool as a city is the centre of football in England is it not? What would the city look like with a magnificent 80k seater on the riverfront especially on European nights for both clubs? If Milan can make it work and buy bigger and better than us then why not?

After all we were once the SAME club and we are all SCOUSERS (even those who support from afar and just follow the team). I for one have always felt a ground share is worth talking about and considering. How many of us have Blue noses as brothers, fathers, sisters, in laws. . . need I go on. The bitterness is stupid. The stadium could end it!
Iggypop
PS try Glasgow if you want bitterness! {ed's note - it works in Milan because the costs are borne by local govt not the clubs themselves.}

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28 Sep 2010 18:06:27
Ed is it possible that an investor could buy us on the cheap from the bank and build a new stadium then sell the club for a profit. i mean the emirates cost about cost about 400 million and surely land costs more in london than in liverpool (and that's not me having a go its just a guess). is this an option or am i living in dreamland. oh and bring on utrecht hope we can do the job in holland.

always a red {ed's note - it is very much an option and was DIC's plan when they originally tried to buy the club.}

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28 Sep 2010 17:30:20
ED I HOPE TO GOD (FA) HAPPANS TILL 16 OCT?? ? DEAD WITH NO NEWS AT ALL COS IVE HAD JUST ABOUT AS MUCH OF ALL THE PRESS AS I CAN TAKE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES MAKING MONEY OUT OF IT OR SHOULD I SAY US (LIVERPOOL FC) SELL THEM PAPERS BOYS, , , , AT THE MIN I AM SURE NEW OWNERS ARE THERE AN THE TAKE OVER SEALED. . I THINK IT IS A DEAL HICKS AN CO HAVE TOOK ALREADY. WE WILL HEAR ON THE 16 OCT THATS WHY NO PANIC BY HICKS HE WILL JUST BE GUTTED BY THE PRICE HE GOT U SEE, , , BUT IN THAT DEAL I THINK IT WAS NO PRESS AN NO NEWS JUST INCASE THEY (HICKS AN CO)DID GET A BETTER DEAL THEN MOVE ON THE BIDDING THEN SO ON, , , AN I THINK YOU WERE RIGHT ED WHEN U SAID IT WILL BE NO ONE THAT THE PRESS SAID THAT WERE IN THE RUNNING COS NO ONE WILL KNOW WHO ARE NEW OWNERS ARE TILL THE 16 OCT WE ARE SO CLOSE NOW LFC FANS. (UP THE POOL) (IN LITTLE GAFFA I TRUST)(WALK ON WITH HOPE) JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE. . . .
DO U HAVE ANY NEWS PLEASE ED {ed's note - I don't have any news, I don't believe the current news circulating to be true either. The press are just making up stories to sell papers and, in the case of The Times, to get subscribers to their website.}

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28 Sep 2010 17:28:44
Ed is it true that barclays capital have approached huang, phone group and the ruling family in uae which I think is sheikh mohammad al maktoum, to reconsider their past interests ?
Is this true? Seems like everythin is happening as per what the press seem to convey.ie interested parties backing out till rbs take control , which is nearing and hence they are being approached.
So this takeover is going to happen soon? May be after 20th oct we ll have new owners in place ?
What thoughts ed?

Breathtaking PHOENIX

Red for life! {ed's note - not as far as I can find out mate, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Huang was even in any serious contact with RBS in the first place, let alone that they are chasing him up.}

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28 Sep 2010 14:13:32
Fello reds please help me out out on wich date we could be repossed from what i can gather there are 3 seperate dates 1st oct when there is a payment due the 6th oct and a final payment on the 15th oct this is only what i have read could anyone confirm this for me or put me right on the above

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28 Sep 2010 14:09:07
The benefits of us having our own stadium outweight the benefits of a joint stadium.

I fk'ing hate them Yanks but (and probably DIC did to) that the way the club was run prior to 2007 was a bit of a joke in terms of sponsership and marketing.

They said a couple of things when they took over the club about the stadium (now I know you can't take anything they say to the bank - unless it's RBS ;o) ) but a couple of points:

1. Naming Rights - if it means 1 world Class player that we are able to buy each year from the proceeds of the naming rights then this is worth it - don't be surprised if when it's built it has a company's name attached to it.

2. The executive boxes and hospitality would make more money than the ticket sales on match day.

Now if we share a stadium then are we in a better position to negotiate a better deal with our history/ trophies or a better position if we include Everton in the deal then 1/ 2 the money?

If we use the current plans then what happens to the Kop area on Derby days? Everton are going to sit there when they are the home team?

I just can't see it.

The Yanks know how much the new stadium can bring in and they also know that they've increased the revenue from off field activities (I mean with all due respect it was reported Calsberg were paying us £7m a year up until last year when some teams not having the same success (i.e. spurs) were gettign £20m per season.

That's why they value the club so highly; basically they are saying that with the new stadium and the new sponsership/ new partners of LFC this is what the Club can be worth - hence the issue - theres no proof that those figures can be achieved or that the club is worth their stated amount due to having to build the stadium.

If the new owners (i'm presuming that bit!) build the stadium then they will want the return on their money a.s.a.p. and that's not going to be via a groundshare (unless as one of the ed's stated is that theres no initial outlay - i.e. someone else pays for it).

Hoola

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28 Sep 2010 13:11:03
If Everton couldn't find 30 million a few years ago, to get a stadium at Kings Dock, where the hell are they going to get 200 million from for a shared stadium with us.

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28 Sep 2010 13:02:18
I would hope that revenue would be dealt with from new owners and that would kill the suggestion of ground share dead in the water. My concern is we slide further out of view, become the target of less wealthy/ scrupulous investors (sic), and have to do business with them because there is no other interested parties.

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28 Sep 2010 13:00:05
Never in a million years i would want to ground share with that sh*t across Stanley Park.

We are the most successful club in English History and Everton/ MAN'URE b team are just Everton/ MAN'URE b team.

IF we get new owners then i think that one of their 1st priority's would be to bulid a new Stadium asap. That is one of the conditions the board had said will be instrumental in their decision to choose a new owner.

The only one's imo who would benefit from a shared Stadium are that sh*t across Stanley Park.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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28 Sep 2010 12:55:45
1 more thing on the ground share, we would have a pitch like WIGAN after the blues* te had been turned over every other week.Not good for our pass and move football.

REDMAN

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28 Sep 2010 12:45:19
THANK YOU ED

REDMAN {ed's note - no worries mate, I have seen so much talk about it and the only reason it was ever viable was because the council and govt were going to pay for most of it. Without that it is no use to us whatsoever, the cost of paying for it will outweight any benefits.}

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28 Sep 2010 12:38:23
Still not having it. Like you I don't want a ground share either but you can't dismiss the idea outright, alright you can, its your opinion etc. But don't underestimate how quickly we would slide if we don't have the now requisit vast revenue. We are already in a situation were we need to catch up in terms of our international appeal, we've lost our position, that has to be addressed quickly. The Yanks can hold out if they refinance outside of the RBS agreement, to them its no problem because they will eventually get their profit, its just a matter of how big. On another point, I reckon we missed out big time on Gary Mac going to Villa. {ed's note - you know a shared stadium wouldn't give the vast revenue you talk about don't you? It would only be a small step forward from the revenue the club currently gets, that would be cancelled out by the cost anyway. There is very little, if any, benefit in a shared stadium for Liverpool, unless it is paid for by someone else.}

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28 Sep 2010 12:01:11
You are pro ground share that's OK.
I am not that's OK 2.
BUT not once have i said i would rather see LIVERPOOL playing in the lower leagues.As you would see from my other posts.But it is you that is missing the point.A new not much bigger ground with shared revenue wil not catapult us to dizy hights that you think it will, The team and ANFIELD can do that, and in 10 years time when you are sat next to me in your RED seat in are 80000 home in LIVERPOOL you can thank me for pointing out the errors of your ways.

REDMAN

PS don't do fizzy drinks but sleep sounds good!

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28 Sep 2010 11:47:43
I m from pakistan and theres no millionare Ubaitullah Raguman in our country. the the richest man is mian mansha. and even he doesn't have enuff to buy lfc! so cut the bs!

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28 Sep 2010 11:19:22
Cheers Ed,

Rez {ed's note - you are welcome mate. It happens regularly that a team mate rushes past someone else waiting to celebrate leaving them looking foolish. It is just that nobody takes notice of it normally, but then the media isn't on a witch hunt to find anything to pick at with most clubs.}

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28 Sep 2010 11:12:38
Ed,

could you let me know also what was said in the discussion about Torres and Gerrard supposedly falling out. Ive been back to saturday and can't find the discussion. Alternativley direct me to the date i can go back to in the archives to find it.

cheers,

Rez {ed's note - it was just pretty much dismissed as nothing to worry about. Players have fallings out all the time anyway, but this is just a storm in a tea cup mate. I am sure we will see Torres and Gerrard making a big show of celebrating together the next time we score.}

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28 Sep 2010 11:11:20
To the person who wrote this:

Takeover is done.
However there will still be large debt as new owners are not mega rich but building a "stable business model". Expect the stadium to be delayed due to "redesign" and the press will start putting out stories about "stadium share". The new owners want to reduce cost by developing stadium with Everton.


Utter tosh! So I go to the board with my business plan; they say yeap looks good; they say show me the money and I say - well the grounds going to be a groundshare with everton. I think they'd laugh me out the city.

You do realise the Yanks have spent about £60m on the stadium already (mainly redesigning it over and over) and they are using this as a bargaining tool. Although new designs may not cost £60 or £30 million they are still going to cost and need planning approval (which the current ones have) so I can't see new owners changing this and definately not allowing a ground share.

Hoola

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28 Sep 2010 11:01:27
NOT 70'S 80'S NOR IS IT THE 1890'S WITH BLUEs* tE SQUATTERS
Ground share has always been the blues* tes plan of getting a cheap 50000 seater home, is this big enougth for LIVERPOOL?I think not and the location of the ground? proud LIVERPOOL fans sitting on blue seats.It's all wrong and yes KK is open to the idea, but I donot MY OPINION not your's.To lose your way in this football world is better than losing your idenitity MKDONS anyone?

21 TO 2 last count in my ares my head will stay

REDMAN

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28 Sep 2010 10:49:59
Did anyone else notice that the cameras kept panning to the directors box on Saturday where Kenny, Purslow and Broughton were sat. Ed/ anyone can you tell me if Broughton goes to all LFC games even through he's a Chelsea fan or was he there to sort out the ownership issue?

RedDan {ed's note - he is at all the matches, it is part of his job as chairman mate. The only one he has not been to was the Chelsea match, for obvious reasons, and then it was made public knowledge that he would not be there.}

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28 Sep 2010 10:23:09
I was at the game on Saturday and noticed something that nobody has mentioned.

When Gerrard scored the equaliser he and Torres didn't celebrate together, Gerrard ran clear past him and celebrated at the corner flag and Torres just jogged upfield.

Normally when either of them score they are all over each other like a pair of newlywedds.

I'm hoping I'm reading too much into it but has their love affair ended? Has there been a bust up?

And before any of you start saying I'm a Manc or a Bitter stirring s* t, no I'm not I am a gen Liverpool supporter who goes to every home match who is concerned that maybe the lack of fluidity, togetherness and passion the team are currently showing has something to do with this?

Scarface {ed's note - this has already been discussed mate, done to death is probably the saying.}

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28 Sep 2010 09:38:15
GROUND SHARE

taken from scousenotenglish

Most Kopites would rather submerge their genitals in a pan of boiling chip fat than share a ground with their bitter twisted neighbours.

I for one have my pan ready!

REDMAN

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28 Sep 2010 09:16:37
BORED STIFF OF SAME OLD CHESTNUT £35M GERRAD TO AC MILAN NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

Only sales this JAN will be made up of players who don't cut it at LFC
BABEL MAXI will defo be off the wage bill and LUCAS to MALAGA are signs that ROY is not happy with mediocrity.NGOG out on loan till end of season.
With the takeover looming ROY will be looking at 1st team players and not squad players that we have in abundance.GOMEZ looks like a done deal and a bit of a bargain at £18m, But it's in the wide areas that will have the big money spent MARIN and YOUNG both on ROYS raydar.


REDMAN

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28 Sep 2010 08:54:08
Takeover is done.
However there will still be large debt as new owners are not mega rich but building a "stable business model". Expect the stadium to be delayed due to "redesign" and the press will start putting out stories about "stadium share". The new owners want to reduce cost by developing stadium with Everton.
A another major step will be the rapid opening of Official Lfc stores on the High street (expect Belfast, Dublin and possibly Glasgow before Dec this year). The new owners are big in High Street retail and feel there is still massive commercial profit potential in LFC brand regardless of on field performance. Small funds will be avialable in JAN. Board has agreed to deal and it will give Hicks and Gillet some degree of profit.

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28 Sep 2010 08:41:22
Guys. beleive me in this. . Takeover is quitely completed. LFC will call for press confrenec soon to announce it. Onwer could be Kenny Huang , Rhone Group , Sheik Khalifah or Ubaitullah Raguman.

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28 Sep 2010 05:24:56
Ubaitullah worldwide carpet businessman one of interest party to buy LFC. Hicks remain frim to sell to Ubaitullah although there is against frm board not to sell to Pakistan millonare

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