Liverpool Rumours Archive May 28 2018
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28 May 2018 23:30:41
I know we have been linked very hard with Fekir but a little birdy tells me it is Malcolm we really want
not sure how this will turn out but it is malcolm more then Fekir according to the little birdy
just passing it on lads.
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28 May 2018 23:42:04
Malcolm is a talented player.
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29 May 2018 03:45:08
Malcom is a winger, Fekir a CAM. It will be both if Malcom is the winger Klopp wants, not one of the two.
The UCl final was a clear indication we need another wide player in case Salah or Mane cannot play and Fekir is a CAM that will bring more creativity to our workmanlike midfield.
Fabinho, Keita and Fekir! BOOM! Bet Harry will be the happiest LFC fan alive if that happens.
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29 May 2018 05:34:27
Wait so what's going to happen to Hender (backpass) en, Mil (not that boring) ner and Gini?
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29 May 2018 06:12:07
Regardless if any wife player coming in, if Fekir does come it would signal to me Klopp switching to a very attacking 4231 starting formation next year, with Fekir behind Bobby. This would leave Fabinho, Hendo, Wiji, Milner, Ox, Lallana and Keita vying for the remaining midfield positions, although Ox and Lallana could be cover/ rotation for Fekir I suppose. All opinion and guess work of course, but if true I would imagine at least 2 will leave.
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29 May 2018 06:55:42
I hope we haven’t resorted to signing wives now 😲.
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29 May 2018 07:20:45
I'd prefer to see Malcolm in the Middle :)
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{Ed025's Note - love it burkey..
29 May 2018 08:00:14
Speaking of wives. turns out, Fabinho's wife was the only ITK posting hints of their future over the weekend. There's a picture of her supporting Liverpool on Saturday night, doing the rounds ;)
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29 May 2018 08:49:10
Thanks for the info Johncrow.
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29 May 2018 09:18:50
you welcome Salah mate
it may turn out to be crap but thought I would share
albeit now Lemar seems to have come back into the frame as well according to Lequipe
So my little birdy looks like he may have given me duff info lol.
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29 May 2018 12:50:19
Well for now we know we are looking for a coutinho replacement (Fekir, Lemar), cover wide (Dembele, Malcom, Lemar, Pulisic), Goalkeeper Cover (Navas, Butland) or First choice (Alisson) and Centerbacks cover (Tarkowski) .
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28 May 2018 22:08:02
Rumours of Besiktas in for Origi.
Good luck to the lad.
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28 May 2018 22:53:56
If they want origi take him but let him be part of a deal for talisca, I don't know if talisca belongs too besiktas or benfica but I like him an he would help us definitely.
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29 May 2018 03:46:27
Why Talisca when we want to sign a much better player in Fekir? Talisca is decent but would be another of those Gini or Lallana level signings. We can do better now.
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29 May 2018 08:14:32
From what I have seen he is a goalscorer has power can dribble an pass, I would of thought his physicality an ability would of been a big asset in the premiership, but obviously I would rather have fekir he is a better player jus I think signing him will b awkward with his profile also interest from other teams.
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29 May 2018 19:27:45
Anderson Talisca is playing for Besiktas on loan from Benfica.
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28 May 2018 19:19:05
Reports coming out tonight that Liverpool have make a €50 Million bid for Fabinho from Monaco. Do the Ed's have any news/ thoughts on this?
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28 May 2018 22:25:13
He has signed for us tonight.
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28 May 2018 22:40:47
Reported interest at about 8 signed by 9.
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28 May 2018 22:58:37
Finally we have a mutha truckin proper defensive midfielder that we have been craving for yeeeeeeeeeeeeees hope we get fekir, an obviously a top drawer keeper plus cover for front 3 also cover for centre back an we moving in right direction.
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28 May 2018 19:05:56
Hi Eds, any insight into the latest breaking rumour from French journalist Betrand Latour who claims Fabinho should join Liverpool for €55m including bonuses?
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{Ed002's Note - As a special treat, my notes say: "Fabinho (DM/RB) - discussions with Atletico have come to a stand still over a gap in valuations, Manchester United have let their interest wane, Liverpool see him as an option to Emre Can and he is versatile enough to provide cover at RB but it would likely mean a change of tactics from Klopp assuming he gets the AM player he is looking for and Jorginho not being interested in the move - expensive but I would not rule it out." What they don't say is that this weekend (Saturday) Atletico met again and again there was no agreement on price and with Max Meyer saying no to Liverpool I guess made them look again.}
28 May 2018 22:28:35
Great insight in how it came together. I know your keeping out of a lot of talks around new players/ transfer on the sites but would be interested in hearing your view on the possible change to the tactics? What would you see the change being? No problem if that isn't something you would like to go into at the moment.
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{Ed002's Note - He is a RB of old that filled in at and has now become a DM player. The plan is to replace Coutinho which only leaves a single midfield space if they are both starters. So that would leave Keita, Milner, AOC, JH and GW plus youngsters - or if Fekir or another replacement is signed and NK and Fabinho are to start - then 0 places.}
28 May 2018 22:28:47
If he does half as well as Salah then it’s a great signing. Really pleased with this.
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28 May 2018 22:30:19
Are we still interested in cabellos after fabinho signing?
Do you know anything about oblak to lfc?
Thanks eds.
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{Ed002's Note - Ceballos is not keen on a move to Liverpool. Oblak is not of interest.}
28 May 2018 22:30:45
Sorry ed002 just saw your reply on the banter page to another poster RE tactics.
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28 May 2018 22:42:24
Cheers for the update Ed. I’d heard that Ceballos wasn’t keen on leaving Spain and you’ve confirmed it.
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28 May 2018 23:10:06
Ed002, you are a God!
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{Ed002's Note - No, it was a surprise to me - perhaps not a shock.}
28 May 2018 23:34:17
Ed don’t argue with me on this.
When I say you’re a God, then you’re a God!
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29 May 2018 00:14:27
Keita Fabinho and another is a whole new midfield. I hope they gel well. I believe it'll be hendo will start the first game of the season, probably gini too considering he is not at the WC. Then the new guys will be brought in, but in today's game it is a squad one, having six choices for three spots is what you need. Those mentioned plus Ox is 6 so it suggest at very least lallana will go and maybe Milner.
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29 May 2018 02:35:10
Hopefully this will stop Klopp bringing on a third CB and he packs the midfield instead to close out games.
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29 May 2018 02:56:03
Ed002,
When someone saysyou are a god you say yes. Otherwise a pissed off marshmallow shows up 😉.
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{Ed002's Note - So where did I say that? All I get is fucking grief from brain dead vegetables. I get it - Macca rules the roost and I have never offered anything to the site at all - I am sick hearing it. You get you fucking way - Macca will be providing updates several times an hour from now on. You are done as far as I am concerned, I have been giving every bit of effort I can but get relentless abuse from the so called fans - no doubt those that made death threats to a player and we have already had two who don't see an issue with people hoping his kids get cancer. I don't see why we should bother with a Liverpool page any more.}
29 May 2018 05:26:45
I think they were having a laugh above and calling Ed002 a God. I don’t think there was any malice intended Ed from either maybe misread it?
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29 May 2018 07:04:55
Welshred84, not so sure but maybe some of the abuse ed02 gets doesn’t put on? No wonder he gets pissed off, for me personally this site wouldn’t be the same without ed02 input, not taking anything away from the other Ed’s but his knowledge is second to none and I for one appreciate what he does.
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29 May 2018 08:27:52
Hey Ed, we love you, please come back! I read the poster as agreeing you are a God. Maybe I misread it and I know you’ve had abuse from idiots before, but I think most readers of the site appreciate the incredible inside knowledge and all the unpaid work you put into this site.
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29 May 2018 04:13:52
One other thing Ed002,
I want it to be known I have 2 kids of my own and one more coming. Believe me when I say I understand this is a game and hardly life and death. For anyone to wish Death or Cancer on someone is not humane. I read this site daily and never once have abused anyone.
Matt in FL.
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{Ed002's Note - Nobody has suggested it was you.}
29 May 2018 04:18:19
Thanks for the info Ed002. You are highly appreciated here. Please forget the vegetables who ruin it for others.
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29 May 2018 05:41:45
Not sure what abuse you have been getting ED, sorry to hear you're getting any at all to be honest, but have to say fascinating hearing the inner workings of transfer dealings. I remember you saying many times that there are a lot of variables when signing a player and that's why clubs have multiple targets for each position they wish to fill. Imagine Atletico and Monaco did agree a fee - he'd likely be signing for them now and we'd be chasing someone else. Things change so quickly eh - thanks for this insight thought ED, really interesting.
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29 May 2018 05:58:11
I’m sorry if my comment was misunderstood. I genuinely meant that ed002. It wasn’t a dig at you. I’m just in awe of you. The information you have and all of that which you provide. My comment was because of the insight you gave as to how the fabinho deal came about. I’m sorrt if I offended you in anyway. I really meant it as a compliment.
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29 May 2018 06:45:57
Seemed they where joking and prasing you while doing so ed ovbiously we can't see the abusive posts and I think most of us are sorry to hear such behaviour.
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29 May 2018 07:37:13
Sorry ed002, I was genuinely praising you. I am in awe of your knowledge and information. I mean it as a compliment for the insight you provided on how the fabinho deal came about. It was not a dig at you. I was a genuine compliment. It was not malicious at all. I'm sorry If I offended you in anyway. It was not my intention at all.
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29 May 2018 08:24:57
Ed002. Please don’t go bud, there are plenty of us who do nothing but massively appreciate your incredibly valuable insight and just want to hear from you as it keeps us sane.
I for one am disappointed there are those that want to bite the hand that feeds (seemingly all to often now) but it appears part of the on-line culture. You post something and 99% really appreciate it, however you always get 1% who try to troll and get a reaction. It’s a little like my 9 year old when she feels she isn’t being given the same attention as my 4 year old, she turns into a little sod just to get some attention.
Are you able to ban those that insult you? It would make it a better place for you, and those of us who appreciate and admire you? Please don’t leave the many who want to hear from you just because of the few that don’t deserve to. As always, my best regards to you.
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29 May 2018 08:39:59
Ed002, don’t think anyone is having a go mate. Think you just missed the Ghostbusters joke. Your time here is always appreciated and there is room in our lives for you and Macca.
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28 May 2018 21:04:11
Fabinho - Done Deal source LFC.
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28 May 2018 21:11:43
Never seen him play and yet I am sure he must be the greatest midfielder of all time. This came out of nowhere!
Could we get a quick scout report. Where does he play in the midfield? What type of player is he?
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{Ed025's Note - holding mid but can play full back mate..
28 May 2018 21:15:13
Well done liverpool getting business done swiftly and quietly, nice change! We’re on the up.
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28 May 2018 21:16:53
He’s a very good holding midfielder. Strong, disciplined and good range of passing. Impressed with the way we did that,
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28 May 2018 21:17:53
That’s a welcome distraction.
Now, off to YouTube lol
He reminds me of viera a little with them long legs.
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28 May 2018 21:20:06
THIS GUY WAS THE BEST DM IN THAT MONACO CAMPAIGN WINNING THE TITLE!
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{Ed025's Note - no need to shout mate..
28 May 2018 21:14:25
Well that one absolutely came out of nowhere! Is he any good? If Fekir signs as well, that will be 3 midfielders brought in. Wonder who will be leaving other than Emre.
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{Ed0333's Note - Lalana & Gini If there is a God.
28 May 2018 21:24:03
Came out of nowhere this one. Well done, hopefully a decent signing.
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28 May 2018 21:17:53
That’s a welcome distraction.
Now, off to YouTube lol
He reminds me of viera a little with them long legs.
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28 May 2018 21:27:46
No need to shout awe 25 u crack me up mate nvr ever change 😂😂😂.
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{Ed025's Note - i wont jay..
28 May 2018 21:28:41
Welcome to Liverpool Fabinho
YNWA.
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28 May 2018 21:31:29
Interesting to see who makes way for Fabinho Keita and. Fekir? Not sure if Gini is the one I would wish away. Maybe Lallana is the more likely.
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28 May 2018 21:33:46
Ed025
That gave me a chuckle. Well played sir.
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28 May 2018 21:36:43
Lallana and Can will likely be going I reckon.
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28 May 2018 21:37:35
Can is going and we haven’t replaced Coutinho = Fabinho and Fekir.
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28 May 2018 21:41:00
Fabinho and Keita for Can and Lallana? I'd take that!
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28 May 2018 21:41:45
in CM/ DM Milner staying or leaving Lallana is leaving Can is leaving Grujic loan or leaving Chirivella stays as cover then we have:
-Keita, Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Chirivella and Milner if stay.
Its seems we are going to change formation next season:
FW*Firmino/ Solanke
LW*Salah/ (Dembele) or H. Wilson.
AM* (Fekir) /
RW*Mane/ Woodburn or Brewster.
DM/ CM*Fabinho/ Henderson or Chirivella.
DM/ CM*Keita/ Wijnaldum.
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28 May 2018 21:51:51
Excellent purchase. Suddenly our midfield options are multiplied. If Fabinho plays, Hendo can play further up (or sit on the bench) . Keita will come in to the box to box role with Wijnaldum (and Milner if he stays) as back up. And if Fekir joins then there's Ox as his backup. And there are the loanees coming back, one of whom may make it, you never know. The permutations and combinations possible are so unlike what we're used to in that midfield. I've purposely left Lallana out. I wrote before the final that it was going to be his chance to be a hero or a zero. He came out the latter.
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28 May 2018 21:59:15
£40 million for fabinho is a great start to the window. Add keita to that and come juily 1st we already have two great signings.
Its a very important window coming up that was already made harder by the world cup.
But fabinho and keita are two potential monsters coming into our side.
The swiftness of the deal is very impressive.
Could be an interesting few weeks ahead.
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28 May 2018 22:01:00
For those that haven’t seen him play, he made the most tackles, the most passes and won the most headers in the French league last year (apparently) . This is the way to start a a transfer window.
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28 May 2018 22:07:23
Keita and Fabinho for Can and Ox as we don't know when he is back to full fitness. Also to cover for Milner as he cannot play every game. And as we were so lightweight in midfield with injuries, it is a welcome addition. He is a very good DM and we have not had one since Lucas left. To protect the back r and also to give Henderson a rest as he cannot play every game. Bench looking strong now.
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28 May 2018 22:30:06
Ed002 said "it would likely mean a change of tactics from Klopp assuming he gets the AM player he is looking for" (Fekir) .
1-4-2-3-1
1*Karius, (Alisson) .
4*A. Arnold, Gomez, Klavan, Lovren, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Moreno.
2*Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Keita, Chirivella.
3*Mane, Salah, (Fekir), Chamberlain, Woodburn, Wilson.
1*Firmino, Solanke, Brewster.
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{Ed002's Note - Ings, Milner and no doubt others.}
28 May 2018 22:48:50
thanks Ed002!
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28 May 2018 20:49:48
The Fabinho news coming thru was a pleasent surprise, exactly what is needed with Can seemingly going, Keita and Fabinho would be a very decent start to the window. Plaudits to Micheal Edwards.
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28 May 2018 20:51:28
how did Macca miss that out?
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28 May 2018 20:56:37
That’s a very very good centre midfield.
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28 May 2018 21:01:40
Who is fahbino someome enlighten me plz?
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{Ed0333's Note - He is Harry’s new flavor of the week.
28 May 2018 21:02:49
if he is indeed signed he will probably play more at RB than midfield. why would Fabinho move to replace Can, who's leaving because he's not playing, if he was a better player? he wil probably be a decent signing but more at RB i think than midfield.
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28 May 2018 21:03:31
Liverpool has just announced the signing of Fabinho on social media.
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28 May 2018 21:05:08
That is how you complete a transfer. Confirmed.
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28 May 2018 21:06:23
Actually it is official - he has signed!
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28 May 2018 21:06:27
Confirmed on Liverpool's website. now this guy is a proper DM. mix of Kante and Fernandinho! Just what we need. keita and Fabinho!
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28 May 2018 21:02:24
Can the eds confirm or deny the fabinho deal is infact happening?
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{Ed025's Note - it very much seems a done deal mate..
28 May 2018 21:18:32
Macca said that info coming out of the club is almost non existent.
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28 May 2018 21:27:14
Looks good on Youtube but so did Karius when I looked a few years back. I wonder is he any good in goal.
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28 May 2018 21:37:56
He’s very good and has experience of Champions League football. One of the most highly rated centre midfielders in Europe. Great deal.
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28 May 2018 22:41:57
Sort of has the feeling of when Firmino signed. Sort of oyt of nowhere. Excited about the 2 signings so far (I'm including Keita) . Hopefully another good goal scorer and some defensive reinforcements to follow.
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28 May 2018 20:22:03
Sky reporting deal agreed for Fabinho.
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28 May 2018 20:26:57
The famous ‘sky sources’ basically just gossip. It was last week ‘sky sources’ said Fred had signed for Utd but that wasn’t true. I certainly wouldn’t get exited about it, or dejected if you don’t rate him.
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28 May 2018 20:39:57
Good signing for you boys imo.
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28 May 2018 20:42:24
Won't believe it until the eds confirm this. Personally don't think it's true.
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28 May 2018 20:45:21
Bbc reporting it now. More reliable than sky.
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28 May 2018 20:46:12
BBC are also reporting it now. Great buy for us!
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28 May 2018 21:08:35
All done, love the way we are doing business.
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28 May 2018 21:06:00
Sounds like it's true but until I hear it from the eds or see him signing on that dotted line I won't believe it.
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28 May 2018 21:15:31
It's on LFC website, what is there not to believe!
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28 May 2018 21:37:16
Yeah I posted that comment then suddenly it was announced, apologies for not seeing it the single second it was announced mate.
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28 May 2018 19:43:55
Twitter is saying we're going to sign fabinho from Monaco. Love a good twitter rumour.
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28 May 2018 19:57:39
It's not twitter, its RMC in france. They have just released another article saying that we have agreed the deal now.
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28 May 2018 20:15:37
A lot of respected news outlets are saying it. Can only hope it’s true.
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28 May 2018 20:23:04
Paul Joyce has confirmed yhid.
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28 May 2018 20:08:59
Not seen him play much, anybody know if he's any good?
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28 May 2018 20:35:38
He is solid defending midfielder and an anchor for the midfield. Would be one hell of a coup if we have pulled it off. Was not on the Macca list, but I will ooze over the rumour for now. A good pick me up from the whole CL defeat. Brazil is training in England I believe at the moment prior to leaving for Russia.
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28 May 2018 20:38:11
Interesting, thanks HarryTheRED. If we sign him and we sign Fekir. I can't help but think one of Milner/ Lallana is on their way out.
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28 May 2018 20:53:19
HarryTheRED- Fabinho isn’t in the Brazilian squad.
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28 May 2018 20:57:23
He didn’t make the Brazil squad did he?
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28 May 2018 20:57:23
Lallana bye bye if out of him an milner, fabihno has been left out of world cup squad for Brazil which will keep him nice an fresh for us.
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28 May 2018 21:39:16
He’s a replacement for Can. Milner will stay as there’s still mileage left on that clock and his experience is valuable.
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{Ed0333's Note - his experience weren’t too f****n valuable on Saturday mate 🤣
28 May 2018 19:29:42
Apparently Liverpool have offered €50m for Fabinho from Monaco, going to be honest I’ve not seen him play has anyone else?
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28 May 2018 19:44:16
Hard core DM and one of the best DM.
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28 May 2018 19:44:48
Quality holding midfielder from what I’ve seen, shouldn’t have an issue with our high tempo either.
We have moved from one French Player from Monaco onto another it seems! Personally, I prefer this one too.
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28 May 2018 19:50:47
Good player. Technically good, defensively very good. Highly rated around Europe.
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28 May 2018 19:52:05
Very good player in my opinion. Can play defensive midfield or right back. Powerful runner, decent shot, very physical, and tough tackler. In fact he is very similar to Fernandinho or Man City.
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28 May 2018 20:00:54
Hope this is true.
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28 May 2018 20:03:47
If true, this is excellent news and credit to Micheal Edwards. (Again) .
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28 May 2018 20:12:38
Few agreed now apparently.
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28 May 2018 20:25:09
Unless the eds confirm this, I’m not buying it!
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28 May 2018 20:37:12
This could be our new right back ;)
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28 May 2018 20:48:39
BBC are reporting it, that’s Can going.
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28 May 2018 21:11:33
All done, let’s hope he ends up doing well.
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28 May 2018 19:26:11
Just seen a few tweets saying we've bid for Fabinho from Monaco any truth to this? Found nothing in the search bar. Thanks.
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28 May 2018 19:25:49
Monaco have rejected an offer from Liverpool for Fabinho.
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28 May 2018 22:33:33
I think not they have accepted and he is a Liverpool player mate.
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28 May 2018 17:53:17
Hi Ed01 is there any news on potential movements/ reshuffling of coaching staff if Buvac probably isn't going to return. And how much of a blow do we think it is if he doesn't return? Who would you like to see in that role? Thanks.
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{Ed001's Note - no mate, it does look like Pepjin is going to be asked to take the job, but no clue how it will affect things.}
28 May 2018 18:40:30
Really excited to have Pepjin back on board. He successfully over saw the transition of Trent and Woodburn from youth players into the first team squad and he deserves huge credit for it in my opinion. Especially with Arnold!
I always saw him as the long term successor to Klopp and was gutted when he left. Hopefully having a more important role as Klopp's number 2, will satisfy him for the 3 or 4 more years we will have Klopp in charge.
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28 May 2018 19:04:32
I’m with you MK. I think he’s an exciting up and coming coach.
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28 May 2018 19:47:29
Does this mean Buvac is leaving permanently then? Kinda hoped Klopp and him would patch things up, for the sake of their friendship if not for anything else.
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28 May 2018 05:54:01
Ed02.do you think we will target any goal keeper this summer? Thank you.
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{Ed002's Note - I don't think there is any doubt at all that at least one goalkeeper will be added this summer.}
28 May 2018 08:37:41
I am just hoping that if/ when we go for another first choice keeper we don't do a half job. Don't go out and get a Butland or someone of that standard just to fill a hole. Do a proper job, get a proper number 1, Oblak, Alisson or anyone of their sort of calibre.
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28 May 2018 09:31:00
Fans may want Oblak or Alisson. But I doubt both Butland and Fabianski will come to replace Mignolet, Ward and Bogdan. Karius will stay cuz no club is willing to rescue his career.
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28 May 2018 09:29:38
Butland will surprise a lot of people. Similar lines to Robertson and the Ox ðŸ‘.
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28 May 2018 09:49:47
Really, stop talking about RESCUING the career of Karius, no one is judged by a single game, however horrible it may be. Bring the summer and next season already. Since Karius and Van Dijk started playing, we have been a different team in defence, 17 clean sheets for the season, third after United and City, on 19 and 18, ahead of Chelsea and Tottenham on 16, how bad is that?! Karius has 10 clean sheets in 19 games, remember those as well. He sucked, badly, on Saturday, still has 10 more years left to play and could grow to be a rock if he manages to get through this nightmare.
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28 May 2018 09:52:51
Hopefully Ron if he arrives.
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28 May 2018 10:00:41
Just guessing of course, but the clubs thinking may be that although Butland isn't currently top quality, he is generally pretty decent, and perhaps he can be coached to an acceptable level- and maybe they think there are more urgent priorities for the transfer funds this summer?
What was also interesting was that the much-maligned Keylor Navas barely put a foot wrong all night.
I wonder if people think he is now of acceptable quality, after watching him play well?
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28 May 2018 10:06:50
Navas stayed planted to his line when we scored and we barely troubled him. He’s not the answer.
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28 May 2018 10:09:55
whz, stats do make sense, but please count all of his blunders, not only clean sheets.
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28 May 2018 11:24:22
If we buy a new number one, there will be no point keeping Karius. He'll just sit on the bench and maybe get a few cup games.
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28 May 2018 12:49:23
Yes, well, I didn't say that he looks world class to me, or hedoesn't do any blunders, but, believe it or not, Oliver Kahn failed to control a pass of his own teammate, you can check, its a Bayern - Goteborg 1997/ 98 champions league match.
So I was just saying something in the lines of "Stop talking abour Karius as if he's the worst keeper in the top 5 leagues", because he is far, far, far, far from that and there would be many clubs that would take him as their number one.
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28 May 2018 12:42:53
Hi ed would there be a change in the goalkeeper coach.
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{Ed002's Note - I would not have thought so, he is close to Klopp, provides input from the bench, gets the subs ready and deals with the fourth official. I am not aware of any plans to change him but maybe the club will look for a whole new backroom staff - but as I say I am not aware of that being the plan.}
28 May 2018 12:58:32
Fully behind your comments whz.
We xan be different and actually support the kid at his lower point.
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28 May 2018 13:01:40
Ed- that’s a major concern for me.
We could get Oblak or Allison but they could get the same GK coaching input we’ve had in place since 2011.
The GK’s will have to do what Achterberg is coaching them to do if they know he has influence on JK and selection.
I think we need to look at this area of coaching as cananyone day any of our keepers have got better under his watch?
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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of what Achterberg has done wrong. I assume you think he told Karius to roll the ball to Benzema? And did he tell him to let the shot slip over the line? Karius was the choice of someone else - shouldn't he be held to blame? After all it was him the on a number of occasions has made statements about who is number one, number two and number three - switching each time? Would you have been saying this if Liverpool had won the last game 3-0?
28 May 2018 13:25:23
For me, im in full support of what ed01 said.
If there is a need to change, get a top class goalkeeper.
If not, just stick to Karius.
To add on to this. If we stick with Karius, give Ward a chance to be back-up. If Ward wanna leave, get someone in as an able 2nd choice. Butland is fine.
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28 May 2018 15:27:47
Guys im all for supporting karius in his summer of need. Guy needs some well wishes after what happened.
I hope he comes back stronger.
Im not having a karius out rant here and i've stated before in other posts that the simple fact of the matter is he will never be anywhere near a top class bracket of goalkeepers. Final aside there has been plenty of evidence of this. Age aside his handling and decision making is really poor. He is a decent shot stopper but even then most times he saves shots with his wrists and pushes the ball straight out when it should be to the side. Whether that's down to coaching or not i don't know. But the evidence is there that both keepers seem to repeat the same mistakes over and over. If they are coached to shot stop the way the do it is a serious problem and a new gk coach needs to come in.
To win top trophies on a regular basis you need a world class goal keeper.
The fact of the matter is that there might not be any that want to come this summer or a deal may prove to difficult to get over the line.
If butland is signed he will easily become number 1 at liverpool. He is a better goal keeper than karius pure and simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise may just have the red tinted glasses on. 20 million for butland would be a steal in my opinion.
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28 May 2018 15:39:53
I guess it is You'll Never Walk Alone as long you win us silverware. Otherwise don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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28 May 2018 16:07:57
Wolverine, I’m presuming you don’t remember that shocker when Butland virtually threw into his own net against Everton. He isn’t an upgrade on Karius.
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28 May 2018 16:39:14
To be fair FranklyMrShankly. You can pick out mistakes from every gk in the world. Including best in premiership de gea had a a lot when 1st arrived and as good as he was let in a few soft goals this season. I personally feel Butland though not my 1st choice. But possibly most realistic choice, could surprise a few as mane, salah, ox and Robertson have. In a better team with better players, and a management team who seem to install confidence and excitement.
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28 May 2018 17:24:34
If Karius is being picked on because of making critical unforced errors, it makes literally no sense to buy a keeper who not only makes those mistakes, but makes worse and has a history of long term injury. It’s utterly illogical. I’d rather stand by Karius than throw however many millions down the toilet on Butland.
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28 May 2018 17:18:42
Good post Wolvetine and MrShankly I’m sorry but Butland is a big upgrade on Karius. Don’t mention one mistake by Butland as your justification unless you want to put up te longest post of the day by mentioning all Karius’s mistakes.
I remember the great Ray Clemence letting a tame Dalglish shot through h his legs in an England v Scotland game, so they all make them. The only reason I remember it is because it was so rare.
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28 May 2018 18:12:14
It’s more than one mistake though this season from Butland, he’s made multiple mistakes which is why he’s dropped down the England pecking order quite some way, in fact it’s fair to say he has been culpable for a fair amount of the goals Stoke conceded this season when he has played and his performances have been worse than Karius. That Everton own goal was the one that stood out the most, if anything it was worse than the one Karius conceded because he almost almost threw it in the net sideways. Against us he looked ropey and it’s only because we were knackered and only had two shots on target that they didn’t concede. He simply is not an upgrade. Going after Butland is repeating every mistake we’ve made in buying keepers over the last few years. He’s a mid table player at best with a big question mark over his fitness and that isn’t worth wasting the massive fee that Stoke will be demanding.
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28 May 2018 19:40:12
Mr shankly
Im not judging karius on the final. Im judging him on every time i've watched him. In my opinion he is not long term no 1 material.
All goal keepers make clangers now an again.
The only reason i talked about butland is because the chat on here seems to be that he is a likely target.
When you compare butland and karius butland is a better keeper. In my opinion if he is the only keeper we sign he will easily become number one.
He has made mistakes but he also had quite a few worldly games over the years.
Butland has been between the sticks at the alamo this season.
Let me put it this way if karius had been playing for stoke this season not one person here would be looking us to sign him.
Like i said in my first post im not on a karius out crusade. I really feel for the guy and he most certainly wasnt the only reason we lost on saturday night. I really hope he improves and would love nothing more than him to be a world class keeper in 5 years time. Im just saying that i really don't see it happening and so he's not a long term number one in my opinion.
When you talk (hope) about challenging for the league and look at areas that need improving in our team to be able do so its impossible not to look at goalkeeper as one of them.
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02 Jun 2018 14:01:40
Ed
I am stating that our GK coach has been in place since 2011 and that in that time our GK’s have not improved.
So no- I’m not suggesting Achterberg told Karius to drop a couple of clangers in the final by any stretch- more a longer term view about how our keepers have or haven’t progressed over 7 seasons.
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{Ed002's Note - How do you measure goalkeeper improvement. Karius wasn't at the club in 2011. Aside from Achterberg being an employee of the club and therefore being fair game for the supporters to attack him, I am not aware of anything he has specifically done wrong. Perhaps he is not getting the best material to work with - in which case you need to kick whoever decided to bring Karius to the club out?}
28 May 2018 06:52:58
Do the ED's know of any interest past or present in Jasper Cillessen? He's not in the fantasy league realms of Oblak and Allison and should be a realistic price, he would be an automatic No1 over what we have and would form a natural top of the spine with VVD.
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{Ed001's Note - no.}
28 May 2018 07:01:14
Jasper Cillessen is terrible on crosses and error prone. There’s a reason that he’s a number two.
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28 May 2018 07:32:15
Is this not the problem with every keeper. They are open to the worst criticism and very rare they get any credit (other than a winning shoot out) . There will be examples of every keeper making some kind of errors.
The guy is No2 at one of the best clubs in Europe, he’s the No1 for Holland and is only 29 so has plenty of years left in him. He wouldn’t cost the earth, has a good understanding with the center back that is in front of him and based on his performances for Holland and Ajax is better than what we have.
We will not be getting Oblak or Allison and there are far more positives to signing Cillisen than the likes of Butland or Navas.
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28 May 2018 08:10:35
I’ve seen him play for Barcelona and he does not look like a keeper that fills me with confidence. Whenever the ball goes into the Barcelona box and he’s playing you can see the defenders don’t look confident, he’s not confident with catching the ball, lacks the physique to challenge for the ball and often stays on his line waiting. The Netherlands don’t have any strength in depth in their keepers, so being number one is hardly a sign of absolute quality at this moment in time. Cillessen is every bit as poor as Navas in my opinion. To me he lacks any distinct quality and is no way in improvement on any one already at the club bar Bogdan.
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28 May 2018 12:23:46
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{Ed002's Note - This is not the place to add long lists of random players - try the Banter page which already have a thread please.}
28 May 2018 16:15:04
It seems like there is going to be a lot of disappointed people then.
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28 May 2018 02:26:31
Has Oblak signed a contract extension? Read somewhere that he has and release clause is now $200m but according to transfermarkt. com, he hasn't (although maybe it needs to be updated)
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28 May 2018 03:07:26
We are not going to buy Oblak or Allisson!
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28 May 2018 09:21:55
Butland or Navas is coming in according to 2 key people on this site. Oblak and Allisson are not happening.
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28 May 2018 10:14:09
Navas is a shockingly poor keeper. As bad as Claudio Bravo and look how he got on.
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28 May 2018 15:22:32
TBH, I've not watched Navas enough to comment but he has a nice list of honours to his name, something our current GK options don't have a lot of.
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28 May 2018 15:42:28
Claudio Bravo have a nice list of honours. In fact so does Phil Neville. It doesn’t mean a thing, you could put a dog egg in goal for Madrid and chances are they’d win a trophy. The facts are the Navas is very error prone as has been proven over the last few years, this year his mistakes have been shocking, Madrid are desperate to replace him. He is not at all any better than the keepers we already have, bar Bogdan, and isn’t worth the £30+ that Madrid want for him. I wouldn’t make any judgment on him based on the fact that we lost to Madrid. There were two shots on target and he let in one of those.
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{Ed002's Note - Navas was Klopp's choice.}
28 May 2018 16:14:12
I know Ed. I’m still none the wiser as to why. Maybe he needs new glasses? I’m hoping that Michael Edwards has some ideas!
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28 May 2018 18:52:54
I can’t see that in a million years either Ed.
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