Liverpool Rumours Archive January 27 2016

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27 Jan 2016 18:14:27
Hi Ed002

With what's been said and explained about Texiara not happening, would you say it makes sense for us to move onto a next potential target as it seems clear a deal won't happen? And do you think we will move on?

You still traveling mate?

We all wait in aticipation for your transfer update. :-)

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{Ed002's Note - If nothing can be done the club needs to decide if they wish to wait until the summer to see if he is still available and not snapped up by anyone else in the coming days or months, or to look to other options. The club are not stupid enough (I hope) to buy for the sake of it. The update will be tomorrow.}

27 Jan 2016 19:41:36
It's a shame we couldn't offer cash plus player exchange deal. Surely Balotelli would suit the Ukraine with his fireworks!

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27 Jan 2016 22:27:48
Sturridge is back in training and has trained well for a full week now. Will be on the bench for the game at Saturday. He does NOT want to be injured and the rehabilitation is usually heavier than day to day training anyways.

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27 Jan 2016 22:44:49
You're right Davey, he's too talented to retire mate. I am happy waiting until January/ February next year before I think it time to move on. On his day he's up there with the best; the calls to sell him are absolutely ludicrous!

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27 Jan 2016 23:02:53
Sky are staying there's a 3rd bid rejected.

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27 Jan 2016 23:42:48
Well, that was quite a semantic oversight. Basically I don't agree with you Davey.

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28 Jan 2016 01:33:28
If we can't get Teixera I'd rather we were patient until the summer rather than buy a plan B. We have Origi and Sturridge coming back soon, not sure anyone else away from Teixera we've been looking at that would obviously improve our first team (excluding other positions like ter stegen. would love to see him joining)

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28 Jan 2016 04:28:21
For what its worth i agree with you Davey in essence, he may play small parts but much like kieron dyer his body can't sustain a football career. The evidence says he is done.

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28 Jan 2016 08:21:34
For Ed 002 - Would appreciate that update today whenever you can get round to it. Many thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Later today.}

28 Jan 2016 14:28:49
To be fair, we have Sturridge, Origi and Ings coming back from injury as well as Firmino and Benteke, who can both play striker. If I could sign any of the players we have been linked with, it would be Matip, who offers a bit of steel in an area that has been troublesome for us this season. Granted, we brought in Caulker, and but this is likely to be Toure's last season with us and I don't think Caulker will sign a long term contract.

Waiting 'til summer to do any business is completely fine with me. Grujic is coming in and we have a lot of players that need a run in the side. One thing is for certain -- Klopp has a vast squad at his disposal, with a lot of talented youth and quite a few bloated wages to sort out. He'll know that and will be looking to get the best out of what he has available.

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27 Jan 2016 17:31:11
Sky sports reporting texiera deal off as a deal could not be struck, typical lol.

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27 Jan 2016 18:20:32
Sorry general but typical would of been paying way over the odds and signing him! He is a great player and would of loved to have him in our team but not for the amount they were asking! I for one am happy the club acted sensibly in this occasion!

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27 Jan 2016 18:15:50
They said it was unlikely we would pay the €50million asking price not that the deal is off completely, I don't understand your typical comments? We have spent and brokered a lot of deals recently so don't get your point.

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27 Jan 2016 18:38:19
I tend to agree with STEPH1, good player and a welcome attacker with an eye for goal - but they are holding tus to ransom from a strong position as they own him. It's a huge fee and we paid that for Benteke who is proven in EPL with a 50% goal to game ratio when he joined us (that's gone down a bit somewhat), I am not entirely sure why but it just hasn't worked for him with us.
Financial security, allowing the new manager to use a range of players in different roles, a clear out in the summer (we expect) and we can be in a better position to buy then when Mr Klopp has decided what we need and no longer need.
He is doing well in what most would say is a slightly lesser league, I am sure he looks good enough to do well in EPL but we don't know. We may be able to get the fee lower in the summer if still of interest and he doesn't move elsewhere.
That was longer than I expected, sorry.

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27 Jan 2016 19:16:09
Some reports saying €50m xhaka
Ynwa.

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27 Jan 2016 19:16:26
Does it not remind u of the sterling situation? Every team has their price if you want the player you have to pay it you can't play hardball with your own players then go in with half hearted bids for other teams stars just my opinion : )

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27 Jan 2016 19:22:53
Consider we were willing to pay £30m for Willian - or £33m? I can't quite remember - and that we paid £32ish for Benteke, we should just pay the £38m in my opinion, before we lose him, like we lost Willian or the price goes up in the summer.

In the summer we can move on whatever players we don't need when there is perhaps more time to do so over the summer window. Just my view, I know it may be a bit naive, but I think the club is taking a long view on the road to success and if so we need to get these quality players in whilst they are available to us. We've dithered in the past and lost out.

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27 Jan 2016 19:33:50
Actually it is typical, we overpay on average players and don't cough up when it's the better quality players. £38m is a lot of money but that's the going rate. We bought benteke for £32.5m but heistitate when it's the better player. That is what's typical about it. Yet again we miss out on a player that can actually improve us and yet again fans have been stripteased into thinking we are actually getting a player everyone wants.

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27 Jan 2016 19:48:57
Bazzaa the Benteke signing was never going to work if we adopted a pressing style with the style of football being more intricate. We replace a footballing God in Suarez who was a pressed, intricate and had an eye for goal and replace him with a static, immobile and lazy striker, TWICE, Balotelli and Benteke respectively. I'm not doubting the talent of the two, particularly the latter but it was madness to buy him let alone spend that amount on him, both of them for that matter.

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27 Jan 2016 20:04:58
carlitoc, completely agree. Nearly £50 mil wasted on them both, we could have got Texiera and Cout for that. I meant if we pay that money our game would need to adapt, for £32 mil, but it didn't and Benteke hasn't changed his game either which is all rather confusing - square peg round hole situation with no give from either side.
Mr Klopp is coming in means he now has a very expensive player who is of no use to how he seems he wants the team to play.
I just don't think we have the capital for a £38 mil player untiland summer transfers begin, I really fear FFP sanctioning us.

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27 Jan 2016 20:42:10
Id rather over pay a bit for a player I really want than end up with 2 I didn't.

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27 Jan 2016 20:57:14
Chris bang on

There's a good chance teams are going to come in for him in the summer, whether they pay the asking fee or the price lowers I don't know.

So if it is a top target then snap him up, we've enough players to sell in the summer to cover the fee.

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27 Jan 2016 21:11:47
Also to add to my point, how many times have we lost out on our main targets because we wouldn't up our bids?

So then we get our pants pulled down going after our 3rd choice targets.

At times we have only needed a couple of world class players but instead we buy 7 or 8 players every summer.

I'm hoping klopp trims down the squad and brings in proven quality players, then in a couple of years we only have to look at bringing in 1 top player a summer.

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27 Jan 2016 21:14:38
Agree with others, worth paying the premium to get him now.

I think also to bear in mind is how happy that keeps Couthinho. Its worth paying an extra few million if it keeps Phillipe happy, stops him thinking about moving to Spain, well worth it.

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27 Jan 2016 21:55:19
i think you all need to realise we have to start spending more wisely, just because we wasted 32 mill on benteke does not justify spending money we currently don't have! the club is going to offer what they believe he is worth and what they can afford and not overinflated offers (i hope) just because you guys want to see another fancy brazilian name on the team sheet whos made a name for himself playing in ukraine (no offense to the ukranian league but its nowhere near the level of the pl) .
Sorry for the rant it's just sometimes i find some posts to be very naive. I'd much prefer we get a deal done at a reasonable price (in the summer maybe) or if not move on, plenty of fish in the sea.

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27 Jan 2016 22:19:39
Lads, everyone here is great in hindsight. It's easy to say that texiera is worth the money, but like Big Ben and super Mario, he could turn out to be a waste of money. How are the people who are championing him so sure he is so good. YouTube would be my guess and they really show a balanced picture and not just the players outstanding moments. I remember some, but not as many as there are now, saying benteke was wrong for us while some (I can't remember the names) thought he was an excellent option for a plan b for us. I wonder if any of these same people are proclaiming texiera to be all the answers to all of our prayers. I can't give an educated opinion on him as all I know about him is from the same famous YouTube. I know that just because he is Brazilian and has a brilliant conversion rate in a league not up to the BPL standard does not mean he is worth breaking the bank and FFP rules over. I'm not saying that I wouldn't like him to join but unlike Suarez, messi etc. but I can't just say "pay the asking price as he's defenitely worth it" Anyhow it's easy to ramble off all these figures-£38M etc. when it's not our own money. I have to have a think before I spend €100 never mind £38M. Hindsight is 20/ 20 vision.

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27 Jan 2016 22:48:56
The problem with not paying a little over the odds is the competition in the summer if he is available at a lower price; highly unlikely if you ask me. There are other players available but the guy can be unplayable (albeit at a lower standard) and it may help convince Coutinho to wait for a move.

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27 Jan 2016 22:56:48
I don't think there are plenty of fish in the sea, every PL team struggled to sign strikers last summer - we possibly ended up paying over the odds for Benteke as a result.

I don't think there's any question of Teixeira's quality, whether he's Brazilian or Ukrainian or Australian doesn't come into it.

Naive some of these posts may be - admittedly mine also, but I think that given what class players are going for, and that he wants to move, and that the club may (MAY) have bigger pockets than we realise, I think that he would be a good addition to the team.

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27 Jan 2016 23:09:21
Transfer policy has been joke for many years
All this buying mediocre players has to stop

Policy should be 1-2 players each year that are genuine talents and will actually make a difference and improve the first team (not squad)

£25m of Moreno and Clyne are they really better than flannagan and smith?

If the spine of the team is strong you can afford to throw in 1-2 youngsters

In the past it seems the transfer committee have bought players just for the sake of it or simply to justify their existence or just use up the money because it was made available

Bonkers really.

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27 Jan 2016 23:48:51
Everyone seems to be a genius after the fact. Balo and Benteke were known to be gambles and the "experts" led by BR either moved heaven and earth to get them or stood around and let it happen. So excuse the owners for being cautious at not wanting to pay 50m€ on an unproven and uncapped player. At that price, he'd better be worth it which I don't think he is. And the idea that if we don't get him now, he'll be off in the summer so we should just pay the fee now, is senseless. If we don't get him now nor in the summer, so what? We move on to other targets that are actually worth the money. Hence, I say end this farce, save our money and focus on living within our means.

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28 Jan 2016 01:34:02
I have no idea if Teixeira is worth £38M or not. I have no idea how he would perform in the PL. What I do know is if it's pretty clear how much a club wants for a player and they're also clearly in no rush to sell, it makes little sense to waste either party's time with bids for 2/ 3 that amount.

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28 Jan 2016 01:55:09
Should have flogged Benteke and brought in Teixeira. Longer we hold onto a player that doesn't suit our style of play, the more useless he appears to be and the less he'll be worth come summer. Teixeira is definitely worth 6M more than Benteke to our club. we just don't have the cash because it was all spent on a tall lazy striker last summer. By summer, the vultures will be circling above head and we'll lose out to a higher bid from United/ City/ Barca/ Chelsea. Happening far too often lately.

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27 Jan 2016 23:34:44
If Ed002 is about, can I ask a probably simple question about the FFP? If we bought a player like Teixeira now for the £38m and paid in instalments, does the full amount go in this accounting period or when the instalments are made?

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the installments - it is to do with (a) when the player is registered (the date); (b) how the club account for the costs of a player (e.g. in one go at the start or across the length of a contract).}

28 Jan 2016 11:11:01
Thanks Ed.

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28 Jan 2016 19:07:45
I think my final comment on this is you don't get points for losing games, you do for a draw or a win. Our defence really needs to be sorted out and despite some excellent work at times Migs is volatile.
Stop goals going in and you you are already registering points.
Oh and please don't get me wrong, I would welcome Texeira with open arms as looks a quality player. I just don't want our club with FFP sanctions when we have only just got a world class manager.

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27 Jan 2016 16:46:29
Hi eds and fellow reds,

Usually don't like to join in on gossips and rumours, but have you seen the youtube video of Alex Teixera's interview with Anfield HQ? (I won't put the link here in case that's not allowed, just search Anfield HQ on youtube and you'll find it)

It's really worth a watch as it's about his feelings towards Liverpool, to summarise he's trying his best to come to Liverpool to reunite with Coutinho (who he played with since 10 years old), and he wasn't sure why Shakhtar rejected our offer of 32 million euros (his own words) . Also to his knowledge Liverpool haven't put in a second bid, but his agent is trying his best to complete his move to Anfield, and its now up to the president whether or not he'll be allowed to leave.

I have no idea why or how he's allowed to have an interview to talk about him wanting to leave the club (surely Shakhtar wouldn't allow that especially as he's in his Shakhtar kit in the video), but now I've got my hopes even higher that he will come this transfer window!

Come on transfer committee you can do it!

YNWA
Kopchu.

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27 Jan 2016 17:31:49
Could it play out like Sterling and we get the player?

Second thought on this one. Would it help if he handed in a transfer request?

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27 Jan 2016 17:28:27
I can't see why shatkar would have an issue with that as it just sets in concrete for interested parties he wants to leave but we won't let him until we get what we want for him to be honest it looks and sound like an ingenious marketing ploy

Really hope he comes our way

Wait and see I suppose fingers and toes crossed

🤔.

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27 Jan 2016 17:40:18
I know the president is trying to hold out for more money obviously, but there has to be a moment where 40 million Euros or whatever we offer is better than an unhappy player, I'm sure they could get a decent replacement for that money. I know he doesn't want to sell, and I hope if it doesn't go through, he doesn't give up trying for shaktar.
Even if we do end up paying more, for both parties they should try and resolve it quickly, even if it is a definite no.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not about the money only.}

27 Jan 2016 17:45:39
I read earlier he has wether its true or not is a different matter.

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27 Jan 2016 17:45:39
I read earlier he has wether its true or not is a different matter.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not about the money only.}

27 Jan 2016 17:45:39
I read earlier he has wether its true or not is a different matter.

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27 Jan 2016 17:33:12
Yh I watched this as well jus seems players really dnt have a say in wt they want if he really wants to cum to liverpool ten shakhtar surely need to make sum sort of compromise am sure they dnt want an unhappy player on there hands especially when there going for the title the president jus needs to stop being stubborn lol.

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{Ed002's Note - They have known for months that he wants to move on.}

27 Jan 2016 17:40:27
Hi eds, with this video do you think he's just trying to engineer a move to the premiership no matter who with, can't blame him especially if he's trying to raise his profile and try to get in the Brazil squad for the world cup, I personally think it will piss his owners off and they'll hang on to him or increase the price even more to put all suitors off.

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{Ed002's Note - No, he doesn't need to do that.}

27 Jan 2016 17:33:18
It's nice to see he's desperate to join us but it means nothing if we don't pay the asking price, inevitable disappointment awaits.

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27 Jan 2016 21:20:31
Jesus I'm shocked to see this kind of interview to be honest. If a pool player did it you'd all be up in arms over it. You'd have to question his character to have the balls to do that kind of interview whilst still under contract with someone else.

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27 Jan 2016 21:43:44
Anyone speak Portuguese? A lot of the time the subtitles are deliberately wrong to gain veiwers, not sure how reputable the site is?

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27 Jan 2016 21:53:40
If anything you can't blame the guy for wanting out of Ukraine after all that has happened recently. There are things other than money these guys think about from time to time, family for one.

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with that at all.}

27 Jan 2016 22:02:01
Fully agreee with irishkopite.
T'm kinda shocked watching this. can only imagine a liverpool player doing something like this i would be infuriated. Ofcourse its nice to see players wanting to join the club and its fine to let your manager and president know, but There should be a line, no need to come out publicly and question your team who've given you so much and are paying your salary. after all you are still an employee and under contract.

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28 Jan 2016 01:21:20
I don't think we should pay the high price for Teixera, we would better spending our money on Mahrez next season and trying to sort out our midfield, Xhaka and Gundogan would be great additions with Grujic, Hendo and Can . we have enough strikers when all fit with Ings, Origi, Studge and even Firmino.

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27 Jan 2016 15:32:16
Hello all.
For Ed002.

I was wondering if there was any similarity at this point between the Teixeira and the Mkhitaryan negotiation that ended up with him in Dortmund.

I searched and saw you said the Mkhitaryan deal was never going to happen for us because of the price being too high and Shakhtar wanting a single payment.

Did Dortmund/ Klopp just accepted those terms and that was it, or was there something else they did to ease the transfer in their favor? I read somewhere else an opinion saying that Klopp got Mkhiraryan with some aggresive or disgraceful moves.
Thanks,

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{Ed002's Note - As you say Mkhitaryan to Liverpool was never going to happen. Klopp had no financial control or involvement in negotions at Dortmund but they agreed to Shakhtar's terms. There is no comparison to what is happening now with Teixeira - where it is a matter of offering sufficient money and persuading the owner that they should sell now rather than in the summer.}

27 Jan 2016 16:31:51
Sly Sports reckon that the deal has stalled over the fee which is what the Eds said so I wouldn't hold my breath over him moving here until the summer at the earliest if at all. Just being a realist. I hope I'm wrong. He looks good but in all honesty and like most people on here, I'd never heard of him until Liverpools interest became known.

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27 Jan 2016 18:00:13
It seems to me, to be more of a ploy by Shaktar to encourage a bigger offer from Liverpool.

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27 Jan 2016 14:14:44
Reports saying we have apparently bid around £4m for Matip and also made enquiries about Leroy Sane, can any of the Ed's confirm this or is it just b. s.

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{Ed002's Note - Schalke rejected bids from Spurs and Stoke for Leroy Sane in the summer. A number of clubs from across Europe have had the player watched in the first and reserve sides towards the end of last season and at the start of this - including Manchester United, Barcelona, Sunderland, Manchester City, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayer Leverkusen, West Ham and RBL. Do not discount a bid from Manchester City in January, and whilst they are loathe to meet the asking price, they are willing, and likely, to make a very significant offer as they know a bid from Barcelona is imminent and that will be immediately followed by a bid from Real Madrid.}

27 Jan 2016 14:34:19
Many thanks Ed, I'm curious what the asking price may be with so many clubs having watched him but no deal struck. It must be extortionate. Does he have just over a year to rub on his current deal?

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{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid were quoted €55M.}

27 Jan 2016 14:41:26
And Matip ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

27 Jan 2016 12:29:26
Anything on the Matip Rumour? Hearing we have put a bid in today.

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27 Jan 2016 12:44:32
Why put in a bid when his contract runs out in July.

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27 Jan 2016 12:52:30
Usually reliable sources.

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27 Jan 2016 12:57:00
The caulker loan would really be bizarre if we was to then buy matip same window.

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27 Jan 2016 13:19:02
How much have we bid, if we get him now surely no big signing on fee and less in wages.

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27 Jan 2016 14:17:09
Ed02 said yesterday that he is free to sign a pre-contract with other clubs, hence it would make sense that any 'rumours' are referring to that. I would be extremely surprised if he's signed for us to join in this window, but best wait for the Eds to comment.

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27 Jan 2016 16:04:12
It would be strange for us to pay when we can pick him up for 'free'. Any idea what sort of sign on fee he could command ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - Not too much.}

27 Jan 2016 16:04:12
It would be strange for us to pay when we can pick him up for 'free'. Any idea what sort of sign on fee he could command ed002?

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27 Jan 2016 17:33:07
Fornax why is it strange to sign him now for a small fee rather than spend the whole summer trying to get him to sign when there would be a lot more clubs in a position to offer him a better deal elsewhere

If we want him get it done asap in my opinion.

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28 Jan 2016 01:13:26
Is £4million cheap? Especially considering we have adequate cover right now. We've already pissed millions away according ed001 on Caulker, why exacerbate the problem by paying that money, to my mind, needlessly.

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27 Jan 2016 09:23:24
Morning ed001

Appreciate ed002 is traveling currently.

Could you provide any update please mate on the potential Texieria deal? Is it still looking less likely we will meet the required figure?

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{Ed001's Note - what is in doubt is their willingness to sell even when the figure is met. As has happened with previous clubs' attempts to buy him, the owner has been known to just up the price.}

27 Jan 2016 10:48:27
I was just reading that the Shakhtar boss has come out and said that Liverpool have to pay the £38m if they want Teixeira.

Ed001 Any likely hood we would actually pay this? Possibly a big lump sum and then instalments later?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

27 Jan 2016 12:07:56
Are we willing to meet the figure ed now?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, I don't get involved with money talk.}

27 Jan 2016 11:55:59
He has also said that they won't keep him against his will.
But that's exactly what they're doing.
No player from such a weak league can possibly be worth 50 mil. That's just taking the piss. I get the feeling Akmetov is just pretending to negotiate until time runs out and will then say, "Sorry guys, we tried, but I guess you have to stay until summer. "

I hope I'm proven wrong, because he would be a very exciting signing to add to our samba boys collection.
While if Milner and Lallana had a baby, it would be a headless chicken.

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{Ed002's Note - They are not keeping him against his will; they know he wants to leave in 2016 and have done for some months. They don't want to sell in January as it is part way through thes season but if someone were to pay way over the odds they might consider it. They have already increased his price twice and might decide to again.}

27 Jan 2016 15:45:05
Sure, but it's obvious he wants to leave now to have a chance at getting into the Copa America squad before the summer.
So, if Shakhtar were realistic about his value they would take €38 million, or whatever it is, and reinvest it into their squad immediately, in this window. Their league doesn't restart until March, plenty of time to bed in new players. The thing is, they're not run like an ordinary football club. It's an autocracy that is more of a boy-toy than a business.
If it was my classic car collection, I probably wouldn't sell my Bugatti.
(note: I do not own a classic car collection or a Bugatti. Yet)

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{Ed002's Note - They don't need the money - they have no need to sell.}

27 Jan 2016 17:00:19
Teixeira is the leading goal scorer for Shakhtar with the next most being 6 and indeed the leading goal scorer in the Ukraine. His club is currently level on points, it's midseason, they don't need the money. What about any of that suggests they'd be willing to take anything other than ridiculous money for the player?

If you look back to say January 2014, how much would we be willing to let Suarez go for at that point in time? I suspect it would have been a lot more than he went for in the summer for similar reasons. Teixeira is massively important to them, the money isn't.

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27 Jan 2016 07:25:55
Ed2 sportbild claim we've held a 1st meeting with Xhaka. Any truth?

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{Ed002's Note - Gladbach have made it clear they have no interest in selling this month so it seems surprising they would agree to meet with Liverpool.}

27 Jan 2016 10:01:28
Maybe a summer move perhaps?

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27 Jan 2016 09:52:54
Eds the article in question states that klopp has met with Xhaka himself. There is no mention of us meeting with Gladbach.

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{Ed002's Note - That will then be an issue for Liverpool and for Klopp.}

27 Jan 2016 10:20:55
that was called tapping up in my day.

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27 Jan 2016 10:46:31
I think they mean he met with his agent.

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27 Jan 2016 12:23:33
There's pics being posted today online of klopp and that agent meeting in public don't know if that means anything but it is made to look suspicious on their pages.

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27 Jan 2016 12:26:21
There are teams like City and Juventus interested in Xhaka and the price will be close to 40 million euros. That itself rules us out of the running for Xhaka, whether we have shown interest or not.

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27 Jan 2016 16:06:28
The rumour is that Klopp met with his agent, if your sources are saying he met up with the player I would think twice, in any instance, about believing anything they say.

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{Ed002's Note - I would be surprised if Liverpool has assigned Klopp to get involved at that level. The player does not have an agent but is represented by his father - as is his brother.}