Liverpool Rumours Archive August 27 2017

 

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27 Aug 2017 22:54:01
Links tonight with renato sanches and Thomas lemar (I believe ed002 has since dismissed these or hasn't heard anything to confirm it we have) I haven't seen much of these 2 but both seem interesting, sanches was tipped for stardom but a move to early for him has stagnated his career (think markovic to us) seems to have put him back a bit but if a few wasn't astronomical it might be worth looking into it but I'm a but sceptical about it. If I read correctly bayern only want a loan so this might scupper that deal if indeed we are interested. Now lemar again some one I ain't seen much of but I believe he a lw or lf now manè and salah are the boys up top but I genuinely believe if one needs a rest or gets injured/ suspended then I worry so I would like to see a very capable alternative with hopefully the mass amount of games we will be playing. What ever happens I can't thank the eds enough for what has truly been a chaotic window and I wish them all the best because I think this next 4 days us going to loads of activity between clubs.

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{Ed002's Note - I haven't dismissed either - I explained a caveat emptor. Lemar I have explained the I don't know having left Monaco early Friday.}

27 Aug 2017 23:37:46
The report states that this is not a new inquiry but was made earlier in the summer.

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27 Aug 2017 23:51:16
Sorry ed002 yeah I have re-read what you said and I think you just said you wasn't aware of any approaches we have made. Can I ask are bayern looking to sell sanches or a loan only?

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained that a loan will require guarantees and a sale would require a financial risk.}

28 Aug 2017 01:09:43
I think in salah, mane, coutinio and lallana we have enough players to fill the wide positions. I could only see us going for lemar if pc goes. I like sanchez a lot. I think he would be brilliant for liverpool. My concern with bringing him in is Emre Can and the unsigned contract. The eds have already said Can is concerned about playing time and this has been the main issue with his new contract. I was a little worried with Can's post match interview after hoffenhiem as he seemed a touch negative about performance. If we sign more dynamic midfielders it could put Can off and I'm not alone in thinking the kid has a huge future. I hope it's at Liverpool, I really do.

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28 Aug 2017 07:03:25
Coutinho is going early this week. There is silly money on offer and he wants to go.
We can cope without him easier than we can without mane too!
Champions league will be a big bdraw now too.

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28 Aug 2017 09:44:12
Ed2 can u try and find out regarding lemar? Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Someone will be here late today who may no, but the suggestion in France appears to be that Liverpool have offered their original asking price (although part of it as an add on) although they seemingly have not spoken with Monaco as of yet - which strikes me as particularly strange. Monaco have so far resisted offers and are busy dealing with the sale of Mbappe right now - so I cannot say more at this time. The player is due at Clairefontaine today.}

28 Aug 2017 10:17:57
I think a new winger may come, I agree that we may be short there for playing the same style - if one is rested injured etc.
But spending that money on someone who is very hard pushed to be starting - would have to settle excellently, unless he can play ten?

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28 Aug 2017 10:45:24
Thing about Lemar is that he can play on the wing, as a number ten or on the left of a midfield three and even left back. So he would be a great signing if we lose Coutinho.

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28 Aug 2017 10:24:02
Thanks eds.

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27 Aug 2017 21:54:07
Sky Italy are saying we are in talks with renato Sanches. Does this mean Coutinho could be even closer to completing his move?

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27 Aug 2017 22:01:01
Follow up question. migs was left out of the squad today. Does this also mean couts is leaving?

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27 Aug 2017 23:21:27
Never mind him I'm still wondering about the centre half macca says will be bought on Tuesday coz it ain't VVD according to reports Southampton still state he's going nowhere! Macca yr reputation on the line with this one mate.

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{Ed002's Note - why would his reputation be on the line if someone doesn't sign on Tuesday? The guy has provided what he can in good faith only to have you and many other DFs come up and share your BS about his reputation.

28 Aug 2017 01:12:56
Another clean sheet for the team who can't defend. 😉.

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28 Aug 2017 01:31:05
Agreed ed. The guy has taken the time to put a bit of hope and optimism in your day and people start saying stupid stuff like "rep is on the line" I find it pretty vile the way people are so easily slated by fans sometimes. Did anyone hear the red fan on bbc 606 this evening? 4.0. Win against a big side and he was moaning and whinging. Hart and his Co presenter were laughing but it just shows the mentality of some people. This last week or so liverpool have proved they are (quoting stevie g) "gonna be a force" both in premiership and Europe. Our group looks winnable and we're flying in the league. All without two of our very best players. I am highly optimistic atm and as a liverpool fan I don't see how you can be anything but.

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28 Aug 2017 01:53:36
Well said ed! Hopefully that truth doesn't hurt him too much.

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28 Aug 2017 02:27:30
Rentato is a midfielder and coutinio plays up front on the left. I know pc can play further back but he is most effective up front imo. The player sanchez will upset is Can as he is looking for first team guarantees. He has earned them imo.

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28 Aug 2017 03:18:46
Truthhurts, look up at the website you're on. This is a RUMOURS site. Rumour (noun) : "a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth". Nobody posting on this site has a reputation to uphold nor do they need to be 100% correct all the time.

Do you really want to push away a great resource of information for everyone on the site by insisting Macca's "reputation" is on the line? What does putting pressure like that on him serve? I'm surprised he even bothers to take the time out of his day to help us all out, especially if he gets reception like that.

Be positive, mate. Macca's a good lad, there's no need to put pressure on him to be correct 100% of the time because in the world of rumours that is virtually impossible.

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28 Aug 2017 08:32:23
I appreciate your work Macca. Please keep it coming :)

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28 Aug 2017 08:55:34
Macca won't go away because of one FOOL like that thankfully.

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28 Aug 2017 09:01:43
There is absolutely no intent from my side to push away macca all I'm saying is he hs built up a lot of hopes recently with his predictions an opinions.
I hope he's right re what he had said an I have to eat humble pie.
Feels like I've just committed treason with some of you lot come on get a grip it's only an opinion.

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28 Aug 2017 09:17:02
Just one more opinion before I'm taken to the gallows.
A mate of mine who is a scout although at junior level at the club is stating no way is VVD coming in as the owners don't want to pay that type of money.
Right the guards have arrived.
Just passing on what I was told like other do!

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28 Aug 2017 09:46:59
Truthhurts, you're reputation is on the line with that one (if you have a reputation) .

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28 Aug 2017 10:01:33
Your reputation is on the line now Truthhurts!

FWIW I don't think we will sign a CD before Friday and I definitely don't think it could be VVD. But that doesn't mean I have an issue with Macca's posts or "internet reputation 😂". I'm perfectly happy to accept the club are trying to sign a CD before Friday and that is basically what Macca has revealed. Whether someone signs depends on the player, his agent and the club - not Macca. 🤝.

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28 Aug 2017 10:45:35
As most on here I'm just passing on what I have been told I have no reputation just a mate who works at the club so he could be proven wrong aswell.
As I have said I hope macca is correct with what he has been told an we get Vvd.
Now chill folks an enjoy the bank holiday.

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28 Aug 2017 10:50:04
Agree 100% Viceroy.

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28 Aug 2017 15:22:03
Macca's rep just went RIGHT UP in my book. He insisted kieta deal was on when everyone else (including bookies) thought the deal was dead.

This is my first summer on this site and macca has been right about Robertson and mo salah. This kieta deal proves he is itk and anyone doubting needs a big old slice of humble pie.
Makes me think we will announce VVD in the next few days.

Thanks macca, all the best. One very happy reds fan.

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27 Aug 2017 20:02:40
That's one odd rumour, but at this point of transfers I'll take it!

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28 Aug 2017 10:55:21
Macca bashing again like seriously! The man only passes on what he know's the club are trying to do not his fault if they don't happen.

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27 Aug 2017 18:41:38
Seen a few rumours saying LFC will make a deadline day move for Aguero if Origi goes to Spurs. I assume this is absolute nonsense? Would love to see Aguero with us though!

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27 Aug 2017 19:31:31
Wish we signed him in 2010 (I think it was? ) when we were apparently linked with him. Don't know if there was anything in the rumour but came across it a while back.

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27 Aug 2017 19:37:45
It's happened, we've been linked to Aguero, the run continues.

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27 Aug 2017 21:31:59
Aguero wouldn't get in the team atm. I'd be pleased if he did join however.

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27 Aug 2017 21:33:35
It was a close call Alvy 😎.

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27 Aug 2017 22:14:10
A random link to Solano, Aimar or Simao and the circle is complete.

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27 Aug 2017 22:34:01
dont forget Konoplanyka.

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27 Aug 2017 22:46:12
I thought his missus wanted London.

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27 Aug 2017 22:58:10
That it was Ron, but we made it in the end.

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27 Aug 2017 23:07:41
Don't forget Christian Tello spotted at Lime Street! 😂.

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27 Aug 2017 23:08:14
Or Turan.

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27 Aug 2017 23:17:18
What about honda!

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27 Aug 2017 23:33:53
Certain I saw Taribo West at the game today 😁.

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28 Aug 2017 07:08:49
I'd ask about Taribo West's age but that never mattered to him before.

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28 Aug 2017 08:37:30
Yarmolenko?

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27 Aug 2017 18:35:25
Is Mignolet possibly leaving this window? He has, as far as I am concerned, reverted to the pre christmas form of last season a little, however, would this be enough to see him removed entirely from the squad?

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27 Aug 2017 19:36:39
Saved a penalty in Europe and was still being slated. Karius is obviously a little nervous. I think he knows how good he is and is trying to hard to impress. He just needs to calm down and keep keeping clean sheets. I wouldn't be worried if mignolet left as we have two more capable gks. I think kafius is the future and I'd like to see more support for him, like the fans cheering today when his name was announced. Brilliant result. Puuurfe t. Marylyn mansion just battered mozart.

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28 Aug 2017 15:55:28
If Karius was nervous as you've said and I believe you too, why did Klopp throw him into what should have been a tougher game as his first match back?

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27 Aug 2017 15:01:12
Confirmed karius in goal and ward on bench. One other change aswel gomez in for TAA.

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27 Aug 2017 09:47:05
Don't know how much truth there is in this, but apparently Mignolet may be out of the squad because he may be on his way to Napoli to replace Pepe Reina (de ja vu? ) .

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27 Aug 2017 10:21:08
Fingers crossed! I hate player bashing but migs simply has never inspired confidence.

Hopefully Karius will get his chance now with ward as backup.

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27 Aug 2017 10:22:08
I think he is better then karius but at least it would improve wards chances I would like too see him get game time an do well.

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27 Aug 2017 10:29:14
I wouldn't mind seeing Karius no.1, Ward no.2 and Reina as the experienced third keeper they can both learn from.

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{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt Liverpool will be able to match the wages he has been offered. http://tinyurl.com/ybqgvedx }

27 Aug 2017 11:04:49
Ed002: Thanks for the enlightment. :D I thought it was about Couts. Got a little worried.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't think Coutsy is tall enough to play in goal.}

27 Aug 2017 11:16:21
Hopefully Mane Can Karius today.

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27 Aug 2017 11:40:56
Is 'Virgil' Tracy the driver of that new club car Ed002? Haha.

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27 Aug 2017 12:15:29
Mignolet has never had the benefit of playing behind a decent centre half partnership so I'm not going to bash the lad. He has worked on his game, so you can't accuse him of not trying.

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27 Aug 2017 12:55:25
Can we swap him for Reina? (Joking) Should have never let him go.

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27 Aug 2017 13:04:11
Anyone thought Mignolet might be injured? Isn't he cup tied now anyway? Also re Macca rumour - last time he named VvD he apologised for not knowing the club hadn't spoken to Southampton. He hasn't named anyone this time and used the word "finally" - he gives good mail - I am sure most people can work out who he may be referring to. Also te rumours Ox will get more gametime at LFC so if we match CFC I am assuming he will be with us especially with World Cup near - do you agree Eds?

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{Ed002's Note - He would not be cup tied.}

27 Aug 2017 14:17:06
How many times do the Eds need to say that none of our players are cup tied?!?!

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27 Aug 2017 14:39:45
Klopp obviously favours karius cos he bought him hopefully the time he hasn't been playing he been getting better in training.

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27 Aug 2017 16:21:16
About time karius got his second chance. Mignolet surprising form last season kept him out. Mignolet has done okay but has conceded 6 in 4 games. Saved penalty in Europe in balance. Dunno, glad karius is getting his shot hope he keeps a clean sheet against a dangerous arsenal side. 1.0! Come on! Get in Bobby!

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27 Aug 2017 22:27:47
Shame that people still judge keepers on goals conceded. May sound odd but you don't judge your keeper on goals conceded. You could put the best in the world behind a crap defence and goals will go in. In terms of goals it is about positioning and would you expect a save, not volume. Personally think should have gone after Given when Stoke released him and kept him as back up and get him involved in keeper development. That way Ward could have gone on loan or Mignolet could have left.

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27 Aug 2017 09:45:38
Hi eds any truth in the rumour that Migs as had an offer from Napoli?

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{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware. It is fair to say Napoli are looking for a goalkeeper as Pepe Reina is likely to depart and they have been regretting sending Nikita Contini on loan - although he is far from an ideal replacement. They have their eyes on taking a very high-end young goalkeeper next season but are aware an English side have held numerous discussions about taking him in the future and have a tentative financial agreement in place - all of this meaning they are looking for another goalkeeper again. They have a player in mind - it is not Mignolet and I very much doubt Liverpool would be looking to sell if they were interested as it would leave them short.}

27 Aug 2017 10:12:10
Migs just rested then ed? Seems strange.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea. As I say, I am not aware of him having an "offer" froM Napoli and I can't see Liverpool wanting to go looking for a goalkeeper this late in the day - Napoli are less than pleased about having to do so themselves.}

27 Aug 2017 10:09:10
Is this donnaroma, if so, do you mind asking which team have an agreement with him? City, Arsenal?

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{Ed002's Note - No it is not Donnarumma.}

27 Aug 2017 10:30:00
I would not mind having Pepe Reina as our third GK at all.

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27 Aug 2017 11:07:25
2 decent keepers is plenty. how often does a 3rd choice keeper make the bench, let alone actually play.

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{Ed002's Note - You will find all Premier League clubs have three decent goalkeepes in their squad. Klopp has set his stall out with his goalkeepers (perhaps keeping quiet about the whole subject would have been advisable, but he didn't). If Mignolet were to be sold, and I know nothing at all of this "offer" from Napoli that is being suggested, Liverpool need another goalkeeper - whether you think all they need is two or not.}

27 Aug 2017 11:13:30
Could Liverpool u23 gk be the 3rd choice and play for the u23s?

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{Ed002's Note - Sure, if Liverpool wish to weaken their side until Adam Bogdan is fit.}

27 Aug 2017 11:14:07
I would not mind having Pepe Reina as our first choice GK at all.

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27 Aug 2017 11:21:19
Fair enough ed. if that's the case it would need to be an old bloke like Manninger that isn't going to be ahead of either Karius or Ward in the pecking order.

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{Ed002's Note - Sure, Manchester City has Bravo, Spurs Vorm, Bournemouth Boruc, Southampton Taylor, Chelsea Eduado etc.. It is a system that works well for most clubs as they can share experience and help out the younger keepers at the club and at least one side always supports them in getting their coaching badges and have them work with the youth sides. I understand reading some of the replies that many of the Grunts don't realise or understand such things. For me the issue Liverpool has is with the third choice Ward. He should have been loaned back to Huddersfield (who wanted him) and he would be getting some fantastic experience at the highest level and Liverpool could have gone and got another Manninger. For me, they could have let Ward have his loan and recruited an out of contract home grown goalkeeper like Ross Turnbull and have been in great shape.}

27 Aug 2017 11:59:49
I have to say Ed002 myself and a few other fan's were just saying how ridiculous it was not to send Ward out on loan as you say to get some very valuable experience. We were saying as well that we can see that if/ when Ward got/ get's a chance that there's a very good keeper in there.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no doubts about that. A very well respected coach called Gordon Marshall said that Ward has temperament and ability to make it at the highest level - and that is indeed praise. The events of January 2016 were indeed a set back and I really think it would have been wise to let him back on loan this summer - but no.}

27 Aug 2017 12:03:34
Hope he goes .2 keepers is enough. Next .

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{Ed002's Note - You need to get Klopp out then - he is insisting on three.}

27 Aug 2017 12:18:05
Absolutely agree ed. Ward should have been getting game time at Huddersfield. Would have been excellent experience for him and we'd be getting back a great young keeper who would have improved no end. As it is what we have done is a complete cluster ****.

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27 Aug 2017 12:29:21
And he was first choice. Seems almost like sabotage on klopp's part to the lad's career or at least poor man-management. You request that teams give your loans amble playing time, and Huddersfield who are willing to do so at the Premier league not doubt are not considered.

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{Ed002's Note - I am sure it wasn't deliberate.}

27 Aug 2017 12:55:53
I agree on having 3 keepers but surely losing mignolet would not be the end of the world, even if it would leave us "short" until at least jan.

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{Ed002's Note - What is happening in January?}

27 Aug 2017 13:06:30
That would be the transfer window where we could sign a new keeper if needs be.

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27 Aug 2017 13:07:46
Like Ed, I said in the offseason that Ward should have been let go on loan to further get experience in the PL this season BUT bizarrely, Klopp chose to keep him. He may yet still go out on loan this window but only time will tell.

As for Migs, we should have binned him when we had the chance and given Karius (Klopp's choice, mind you) a real chance at the job for a season and a half at best, to see if he was up to the job. Migs has cost us goals and games and points in the past and we should stopped the bleeding then, like Pep did with Hart. Cos at least then, you can fully focus on getting Karius ready to take the reins and Migs won't be there top cost us goals anymore.

Now, no one really knows what he has got as 10 games where he made two mistakes, does not mean his is bad, nor does it mean he is good enough and Migs has reverted bag to his flapping and clapping at crosses again.

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27 Aug 2017 19:36:05
If Mignolet goes and we need a third keeper for cover, Given is looking for a club.

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27 Aug 2017 22:29:42
Sorry Fitzy didn't spot this until I'd said same above. Given would be a good call, model pro and still a solid keeper.

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27 Aug 2017 00:54:56
My take on the vvd situation

Southampton
They want a bidding war to drive the price up they were aware of clubs talking to him but got pissed when it came out he would only go to lfc hence the tapping up and apology form us

Liverpool
Will only bid once a bid has been accepted by Southampton from other clubs

Chelsea and Arsenal
Will put a late bid in so hope to do the ground work before any clubs get involved

I have faith in macca and confident a deal will be done.

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27 Aug 2017 04:49:03
Why on earth would we wait to bid until after they have had an acceptable bid from somewhere else? This has to be one of the strangest thoughts ever.

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27 Aug 2017 06:36:37
We're pushing it to the wire. Even though Macca is very positive, I'm starting to doubt anything is going to happen.

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27 Aug 2017 07:02:59
We would wait because if we were the only ones bidding there is a good chance Southampton will report us to be investigated. If they accept other bids, then they cannot say they want wanted to keep VVD. They want to sell him and as long as we bid in line with other clubs, it would be harder for them to have us investigated.

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27 Aug 2017 08:14:08
News out there saying VVD sacked his agent to push for the deal, how is sacking his agent do any good to push for the deal with us?

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27 Aug 2017 08:31:09
Agree with Clee, we can't make a bid unless someone else does and Southampton agree to sell.

I think he'll end up with Arsenal or Chelsea and we'll be stuck with the Lovren the great.

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27 Aug 2017 08:42:21
VVD and Koeman have same agents.
They pissed off Southampton over Koemans exit.
Perhaps he getting rid as their relationship with Douthampton is impinging on any deal getting done?

Alternatively he could be getting rid in preparation for staying at Southampton i. e. "I've been badly advised".

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{Ed002's Note - Actually, it was his change of agents late last year that started all of this looking to move on saga. He had a great agent in Henk-Maarten Chin who would have had van Dijk's best interest all of the time, would not have persuaded Southampton to let him meet with other clubs in January and would have immediately stopped all of the damage being done by Liverpool and by Klopp.

But he was persuaded before Christmas to move to the Jansens and the Wasserman Group, and it was downhill from there as Liverpool unsettled him, made illegal approaches, brushed off a complaint to the Premier League with an apology and withdrew interest - and then utilised ex-players to come out in the press and unsettle him further. Don't think it has gone unnoticed by certain powers that be that the likes of Carragher and Gerrard were all represented by the Wasserman Group.}

27 Aug 2017 09:17:47
Could there still be ramifications for Liverpool then ed002 as Gerrard is employed by us now?

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{Ed002's Note - Of course. If he has left his agents (and I don't know that he has) they will still be seeking the full payment they are due and will address that through the courts if needs be. They also have a contract with the player which may have exit clauses built in. Southampton have a clause in his contract that could see him taken to court over a breach. Southampton could push to have their original complaint investigated or could indeed pass it to FIFA to address.

There is a terrible stench over this whole matter and if cheating is proven to be an acceptable route going forward then there is going to be a shift of power away from the authorities.}

27 Aug 2017 09:51:20
Thanks ed002.
It's all a bit of a mess. I really hope we learn from this.

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{Ed002's Note - I hope so too.}

27 Aug 2017 11:18:14
To be honest, as bad as Liverpool has been in this saga, the whole industry and transfer process stinks and I can't help but feel it's because the whole business is so reliant on super agents who are massively incentivized to have clients that move every other year.

It feels that they will do anything to secure transfers including spreading rumors/ lies, doing shady under the table deals, setting up meetings when they shouldn't and manipulating the fans. I think it's long overdue the football world cleans up this side of he business.

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{Ed002's Note - No. There are only a handful of "super rich" agents and I suspect that you knowledge of what they do and how they work is rather lacking given your comments.}

27 Aug 2017 13:20:07
Ed, the fact that the ex LFC players like Carra and SG were directly or indirectly involved via VVD's new agents (Wasserman group) in tapping up and unsettling VVD, is vwery troubling. This new info should be alarming to every LFC fan. IMO, this will not end well as this stinks to high hell and LFC has their hands dirty in this whole situation, along with VVD himself. As a result, I propose that people move on from hoping that VVD will sign here cos clearly, Saints know about all the info Ed02 just gave hence, why they will never sell at least to LFC, IMO.

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{Ed002's Note - This isn't new information.}

27 Aug 2017 18:10:32
Why don't they just sell the lad then, who the hell do Southampton think they are? Pathetic from them.

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