Liverpool Rumours Archive September 20 2010
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20 Sep 2010 23:50:44
Ha ha hicks refinance s* te falls tthrough. its on ssn! !
20 Sep 2010 23:45:54
Kop fans take major step in KO'ing Yank owners
Published 23:00 20/ 09/ 10
Liverpool fans have won a major battle in their fight to oust their American owners.
Irate supporters have mounted an increasingly hostile campaign to persuade financial groups not to extend any more credit to keep Tom Hicks and George Gillett in power at Anfield.
The pair need to refinance a debt of more than £230million by early October or risk losing their hold on the club.
They have courted current lenders RBS and at least 10 other banks and investment companies in a desperate attempt to get the money which will allow them to take back control of the club from the current board.
But the Mirror can reveal that the pair have been told that the political situation at the club is too volatile to contemplate any major investment.
The Americans need to refinance because RBS are due to call in loans in October. If that happens and they can't find funding, then they will lose control to the bank.
The club could even be sold for as low as £300m, which would see the Americans out of pocket.
KopFaithful, who is the organisation behind the opposition to refinance, said last night: "We are encouraged by the latest news, but we remind every Liverpool fan that the fight is not over until the Americans are out of our club."
Off the the mirror website. As one of the fans who has been majorly participating in this smear campaign against the owners, this is a step in the right direction. HOWEVER, we should not rest until the owners are 100% gone!
YNWA
TomLFC
20 Sep 2010 23:09:13
If SSN is reporting that Hicks has been given the funds, i can't believe it, i don't believe it.
Macca
Relax Macca SSN have dropped the report i don't think Alan Myers wll last long with SSN at this rate. We'll probably see him on ESPN next year i f* king hope not.
Blair Mayne YNWA
20 Sep 2010 23:00:08
Hey Macca, have you any idea when the action is gonna start, not that I don't believe you, it's just that the tension is killing me. Also do you actually know who the buyer is, and if so how good is it gonna be for us?
Sooty.
Sooty, all LFC fans.
The only info i have been given is that we are close, i have no names, no dates, just we are close.
I would love to tell you more but i don't have any news.
I am confident that the guys making the decisions will make the right one.
If SSN is reporting that Hicks has been given the funds, i can't believe it, i don't believe it.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 22:52:33
Hey Macca, have you any idea when the action is gonna start, not that I don't believe you, it's just that the tension is killing me. Also do you actually know who the buyer is, and if so how good is it gonna be for us?
Sooty.
20 Sep 2010 22:49:24
So not only am i sat here watching ssn i've also decided to have a look at the website and I still can't find anything about Hicks getting finance. Alll articles still suggest the refinancing has been refused. Happy days.
20 Sep 2010 22:21:09
On the Sky Sports website it says they have l*cked him off. It won't happen, The man is A BANKRUPT waiting to happen.
Sooty
Keep an eye on SSN Sooty but everyone remember that it is Alan Myers doing the report.
The same Alan Myers that received an E.mail at 2 am and it said "Yaya Kirdi was days away from completing a deal".
The same Alan Myers who Hicks did a telephone interview and said "This will be a big summer for LFC"
It could be true but i said then that Hicks will make fools of SSN
Blair Mayne YNWA
20 Sep 2010 22:17:31
Well, the clubs skint, we can't buy players, we haven't got a new ground, the owners are k*ats, all the newspapers are saying were finished, so is Stan Collymore, (so it must be true), were 16th in the league. Things have never looked so bad. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I think we've given everybody a big enough head start now don't you think.
YNWA. .
We are the mighty REDS and we will be back. .
Sooty
20 Sep 2010 22:13:07
We'll Macca who's lying mate you or Sky Sports News?
Blair Mayne YNWA
20 Sep 2010 22:08:48
Blackstone chairman is hick's bestfriend.so i think he will help hick with all the refinancing stuff.
Mr.E
20 Sep 2010 21:36:24
Whats goin on SSNews reportin Hicks has got funds for takeover and transfers is this true.gettin very worried. .
Magsman YNWA
20 Sep 2010 21:27:11
I have only posted on here once.In that post i said i belived the sheik would be the next owner of lfc and nothing has changed.The man will not be beaten.He wanted the club years ago and he wants it now.I reckon he is laughing at todays news about the yonker hicks.He hates these yonks as much as we do.just my opinion but i belive this club is on a one way ticket to paradice.Have faith people. YNWA
20 Sep 2010 21:18:56
Everyone is talking about this take over and that takeover, but I'm not sure anyone knows who is gonna do what! Just remember the takeover rumours are variables. We, the fans are the consistent entity. Everyone is laughing at us. We need to stick together and show Roy, Stevie, Carra, Nando, Pepe, et al that we may lose the battle, but collectively WE will win the war! As Roy said when he took over, You'll never walk alone is not a Rodgers and Hammersteins song anymore, it's a mantra for generations. My old fella is a red, I'm a red and so are my 3 kids. They can take my body and soul, but they cannot take my dignity! Nobody, except us, knows what it's like to be a Red! We don't slag off opposing teams like the Mancs. We celebrate who we were, are, and going to be in the future! It's gonna be hard, but hang tough! YNWA. Steve61
20 Sep 2010 21:12:17
Q to the ED: Is Macca the same person as -JAMES007-?
{Editor's Note: I am afraid I don't know.}
20 Sep 2010 21:08:06
Does anyone agree that after years of great service
carra's days of top flight football are nearly over.click to agree
20 Sep 2010 21:05:52
"Deke Reefer
What are you views on the takeover? ?
Macca"
I am not claiming to be ITK or to know any of the directors. I think ED and Sharky have been honest in the opinions they have given and we should just wait and see what happens and we will get a new owner at some point. Months ago I accepted what -JAMES007- said and it was ALL lies in the end. I am sure everything you are saying is LIES as well. Every week you say exactly the same: we are near or just days away and every week LIES.
That's what I think.
Deke Reefer
20 Sep 2010 20:51:22
This is ridiculous.True liverpool fans WAKE UP! Nobody knows who the 'bidders'(emphasis on the inverted commas!) are and nobody will know the legitimate bidder who will takeover lfc eventually until he actually does!
I am pleased to see the Macca keeping us informed. Is James 007 back? No, but we have the saviour Macca. ITK and friends with Ian Ayres. Keep us informed. Porky Parry
20 Sep 2010 20:43:22
Zabeel investments are serious contenders to take over at Liverpool, news from a friend in Dubai, all the talk over there at the moment.
20 Sep 2010 20:40:19
To Macca,
If and when we get taken over do you think Roy will still be manager?, and what's your own views at the moment?.
Player transfer's as we all know we are bad in the wide area's, any back up striker, and also do you think the winning bid will get the new ground started before feb next year.
Whats your views on the above
-Pete-
20 Sep 2010 20:32:40
Macca,
Hope your right, i am an avid Liverpool fan & just want the Yanks out like all fellow fans. I have no sources, just a fan.
Your posts are keeping me going! Hope your not another James 007 & i trust your not.
Keep us in the loop fella.
YNWA
Crooky2000
20 Sep 2010 20:29:03
Macca
I am an avid Liverpool fan & always have been. I have no contacts or sources but i just hope you are not another James 007!
Hope your right. Please keep us updated, i just want the Yanks out now as do all fellow fans.
Ynwa
20 Sep 2010 20:15:49
Macca, you are the light in every liverpool fans tunnel keep it up pal YNWA
20 Sep 2010 20:14:07
Hi Blair Mayne YNWA,
From what i have been told, from a different source the Sheikh is one of the offers on the table, not sure how true the info is.
Macca
Woud love this to be true Macca as i've prayed many a night for Sheikh Mohammed to come to our aid like we did in 2006 and 2008.
But like i said people are saying they know for a fact that there are buyers/ bidders but no one can tell us who they are?
Confusing!
Blair Mayne YNWA
20 Sep 2010 20:13:03
BlairMayne. .
The info I have is that Sheik Mohammed will be our new owner. The guy has never forgot how the yanks made him look a fool when he offered them an escape route with 100m each.
The man always gets what he wants. He is screwing them over. Hicks will regret this.
20 Sep 2010 19:57:09
Great post mate so what you are saying is that Sheikh Mohmmed will be our new owner?
What really does my head in is that people are saying that we have or will have new owners but will not say who it is.
Why?
Blair Mayne YNWA
Hi Blair Mayne YNWA,
From what i have been told, from a different source the Sheikh is one of the offers on the table, not sure how true the info is.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 19:50:19
20 Sep 2010 19:26:59
MESSAGE FOR MACCA. . READING UR POSTS (and this is not to catch you out) you say you know Ian Ayre or have contact with him. I am a moderator on a prominent LFC forum and also have contact with a guy related to Ian Ayre. Ed, you have messaged me to my personal e-mail so you know I am legit. Ian Ayre is letting nothing out, nothing whatsoever. So how can you know so much? If you are legit you must be an ex-player or something. ?
Now here is what I know. Gillett is bankrupt. Hicks due to terms of their agreement is now responsible for the total debt. He will not get re-finance. Usmanov? Not a chance. .Our new owner will not suprise anybody. Think of the links. .Barcap, , Broughton, Horseracing. . enough said. Macca if you want to e-mail me, we will arrange it through ED. .
Great post mate so what you are saying is that Sheikh Mohmmed will be our new owner?
What really does my head in is that people are saying that we have or will have new owners but will not say who it is.
Why?
Blair Mayne YNWA
20 Sep 2010 19:48:27
Iverpool Rumours
MESSAGE FOR MACCA. . READING UR POSTS (and this is not to catch you out) you say you know Ian Ayre or have contact with him. I am a moderator on a prominent LFC forum and also have contact with a guy related to Ian Ayre. Ed, you have messaged me to my personal e-mail so you know I am legit. Ian Ayre is letting nothing out, nothing whatsoever. So how can you know so much? If you are legit you must be an ex-player or something. ?
Now here is what I know. Gillett is bankrupt. Hicks due to terms of their agreement is now responsible for the total debt. He will not get re-finance. Usmanov? Not a chance. .Our new owner will not suprise anybody. Think of the links. .Barcap, , Broughton, Horseracing. . enough said. Macca if you want to e-mail me, we will arrange it through ED.
Hi Mate, you are correct in what you say, they are all being very tight lipped. The only thing i can say is that the exact words that we used was " it is very close"
Macca
Also mate if you get ed to pass on your address and he can vouch for you, we can have a chat.
Cheers
20 Sep 2010 19:36:46
MESSAGE FOR MACCA. . READING UR POSTS (and this is not to catch you out) you say you know Ian Ayre or have contact with him. I am a moderator on a prominent LFC forum and also have contact with a guy related to Ian Ayre. Ed, you have messaged me to my personal e-mail so you know I am legit. Ian Ayre is letting nothing out, nothing whatsoever. So how can you know so much? If you are legit you must be an ex-player or something. ?
Now here is what I know. Gillett is bankrupt. Hicks due to terms of their agreement is now responsible for the total debt. He will not get re-finance. Usmanov? Not a chance. .Our new owner will not suprise anybody. Think of the links. .Barcap, , Broughton, Horseracing. . enough said. Macca if you want to e-mail me, we will arrange it through ED. .
Who is this?
Not tryin to be a smartar*e just want to know your name please? Or a username please?
20 Sep 2010 19:26:59
MESSAGE FOR MACCA. . READING UR POSTS (and this is not to catch you out) you say you know Ian Ayre or have contact with him. I am a moderator on a prominent LFC forum and also have contact with a guy related to Ian Ayre. Ed, you have messaged me to my personal e-mail so you know I am legit. Ian Ayre is letting nothing out, nothing whatsoever. So how can you know so much? If you are legit you must be an ex-player or something. ?
Now here is what I know. Gillett is bankrupt. Hicks due to terms of their agreement is now responsible for the total debt. He will not get re-finance. Usmanov? Not a chance. .Our new owner will not suprise anybody. Think of the links. .Barcap, , Broughton, Horseracing. . enough said. Macca if you want to e-mail me, we will arrange it through ED. .
20 Sep 2010 19:15:27
Parry was more to blame, he went with the yanks because HE personally got more from them. .
Macca
20 Sep 2010 19:13:49
I was at the stadium tour on saturday with an ex player as tour guide, he was very coy when I asked about possible new owners. Had a long chat with one of the ground staff and the rumor around the club at that bank of Kuwait on behalf of Kuwaiti Royal Family have or are in final stages of buying the club and deal would be done by the 4th october.
All I can say was he seemed really genuine and had no need to bulls* t us. make of it as you will hope it's true but had so many possible owners of late who know's. Just thought I'd share it with everyone.
20 Sep 2010 19:09:09
20 Sep 2010 18:57:23
MR USMANOV ?
Usmanov wants his own club. He has failed to gain control of Arsenal. The 'blue blood' shareholders at Arsenal won't sell to him. Kroenke more likely to gain control there. Usmanov to sell out , to buy Liverpool?
20 Sep 2010 19:03:32
We all just need to sit tight and be optimistic!
Macca will let us know as soon as anything happens.
Lets give thanks we have an insider on the site
20 Sep 2010 19:03:28
20 Sep 2010 18:52:14
20 Sep 2010 18:26:54
20 Sep 2010 16:46:49
I really believe that LFC have a preferred bidder, due diligence has been completed and the deal to be rubber stamped. The only sticking point has been Hicks and Gillett (more so hicks) who has been desperate not to accept the bid (which gives them no profit and just clears the debt).
Broughton, Purslow and Ayre know actually what is happening and can't say anything until the deal is signed. They are confident of LFC's position and won't talk to the media until legally allowed to do so.
Hicks is backed into a corner and is running around trying to find a creditor. He is probably on Ebay selling stuff on that as well. Once the RBS date arrives in October LFC will turn to Hicks and say 'show us the money' he won't have it and he will be removed.
Some people have had a go at Macca. He is sticking to his guns and sending the same message. I believe him.
In the meantime if your going the match v Sunderland join in on the 'sit in' protest
LIVERPOOL FANS, PREPARE TO BE VERY SURPRISED AS TO WHO THE PREFFERED BIDDER IS.
Go on surprise us! It's not David Moores is it?
Blair Mayne YNWA
Was Moores the problem? Parry should take most of the blame as well as LFC financial advisors. {ed's note - Moores was far more at fault than Parry.}
20 Sep 2010 18:57:23
MR USMANOV ?
20 Sep 2010 18:56:49
He's a rumour for everyone macca seems to know a lot or not but least he's keeping the faith. BUT IS MACCA REAL NAME STEVE MCMANAMAN MY SECOND FAVOURITE LFC PLAYER OF ALL TIME
20 Sep 2010 18:52:14
20 Sep 2010 18:26:54
20 Sep 2010 16:46:49
I really believe that LFC have a preferred bidder, due diligence has been completed and the deal to be rubber stamped. The only sticking point has been Hicks and Gillett (more so hicks) who has been desperate not to accept the bid (which gives them no profit and just clears the debt).
Broughton, Purslow and Ayre know actually what is happening and can't say anything until the deal is signed. They are confident of LFC's position and won't talk to the media until legally allowed to do so.
Hicks is backed into a corner and is running around trying to find a creditor. He is probably on Ebay selling stuff on that as well. Once the RBS date arrives in October LFC will turn to Hicks and say 'show us the money' he won't have it and he will be removed.
Some people have had a go at Macca. He is sticking to his guns and sending the same message. I believe him.
In the meantime if your going the match v Sunderland join in on the 'sit in' protest
LIVERPOOL FANS, PREPARE TO BE VERY SURPRISED AS TO WHO THE PREFFERED BIDDER IS.
Go on surprise us! It's not David Moores is it?
Blair Mayne YNWA
20 Sep 2010 18:50:54
MACCA is clearly ITK big time!
How else would he know all the stuff he has posted?
My guess is he is a top player or board room member or King Kenny.
lets welcome his posts he is letting us know as much as he can at each time.
Macca you will we sign in JAN?
LL KOOL GEE
Sorry to disappoint mate, but none of the above.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 18:49:41
Believable or Unbelievable - Talksport radio is always sensationalist and apocalyptic about Liverpool without actually knowing any facts.
20 Sep 2010 18:47:03
20 Sep 2010 18:26:54
20 Sep 2010 16:46:49
I really believe that LFC have a preferred bidder, due diligence has been completed and the deal to be rubber stamped. The only sticking point has been Hicks and Gillett (more so hicks) who has been desperate not to accept the bid (which gives them no profit and just clears the debt).
Broughton, Purslow and Ayre know actually what is happening and can't say anything until the deal is signed. They are confident of LFC's position and won't talk to the media until legally allowed to do so.
Hicks is backed into a corner and is running around trying to find a creditor. He is probably on Ebay selling stuff on that as well. Once the RBS date arrives in October LFC will turn to Hicks and say 'show us the money' he won't have it and he will be removed.
Some people have had a go at Macca. He is sticking to his guns and sending the same message. I believe him.
In the meantime if your going the match v Sunderland join in on the 'sit in' protest
LIVERPOOL FANS, PREPARE TO BE VERY SURPRISED AS TO WHO THE PREFFERED BIDDER IS.
Someone very quiet as Keith Harris said and who has not been mentioned on this site?
20 Sep 2010 18:26:54
20 Sep 2010 16:46:49
I really believe that LFC have a preferred bidder, due diligence has been completed and the deal to be rubber stamped. The only sticking point has been Hicks and Gillett (more so hicks) who has been desperate not to accept the bid (which gives them no profit and just clears the debt).
Broughton, Purslow and Ayre know actually what is happening and can't say anything until the deal is signed. They are confident of LFC's position and won't talk to the media until legally allowed to do so.
Hicks is backed into a corner and is running around trying to find a creditor. He is probably on Ebay selling stuff on that as well. Once the RBS date arrives in October LFC will turn to Hicks and say 'show us the money' he won't have it and he will be removed.
Some people have had a go at Macca. He is sticking to his guns and sending the same message. I believe him.
In the meantime if your going the match v Sunderland join in on the 'sit in' protest
LIVERPOOL FANS, PREPARE TO BE VERY SURPRISED AS TO WHO THE PREFFERED BIDDER IS.
20 Sep 2010 18:17:12
20 Sep 2010 17:40:05
"With all due respect you have no idea who i am and what i know. Do you think deals of this size are done in 5 mins, i have been told that we will be ok, i have no reason to doubt that.
I am sure over the weekend when you heard Hicks was trying to refinance i was not on here trying to backtrack.
What i am telling you about Ian is 1 million percent correct.
We are all fans together and i am just trying to pass on as much correct info that i can.
I am not passing on the info to get a pat on the back from your goodself, just trying to put peoples mind at ease.
Macca"
Look guys havin a go at Macca is getting you nowhere,
Whether he is lying or not is irrevelant.
The truth will reveal its head soon either way.
At least he is being positive unlike a lot of people.
Why be sooo negative?
Macca well done kid either way, keep positive lad.
Irish Kev
20 Sep 2010 18:11:30
MACCA is clearly ITK big time!
How else would he know all the stuff he has posted?
My guess is he is a top player or board room member or King Kenny.
lets welcome his posts he is letting us know as much as he can at each time.
Macca you will we sign in JAN?
LL KOOL GEE
20 Sep 2010 18:07:29
How many fans on here who are upset / worried at whats happening to our club are willing to put up some money to help buy the club or at least help pay for a player or two in January?
I'm not delusional now & know that probably not 100% of fans even read this site but just trying to gauge an answer. Believable = You'd put money up.
Unbelievable = You wouldn't be prepared to put up.
Irish Kev
20 Sep 2010 18:00:28
Macca, tell us who are the potential bidders?
20 Sep 2010 17:54:09
20 Sep 2010 14:53:50
20 Sep 2010 14:45:46
Where is macca with all his statements on a done deal now that this refinancing is possible?
mickreds
THERE IS A LOT OF GRANDSTANDING TAKING PLACE FROM HICKS IN PARTICULAR. THIS IS ALL ABOUT DESPERATION AND HICKS WANTING A HEALTHIER PROFIT FROM THE SALE. H&G WILL BOTH GO. THIS RACE FOR REFINANCING BY HICKS WILL FAIL. THEN THE MYSTERIOUS BIDDERS THAT ARE UNKNOWN TO US AND THE MEDIA BECAUSE OF CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSES AND OTHER AGREEMENTS WILL SOON COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND WE WILL HAVE NEW CUSTODIANS OF THIS TRUELY ADMIRED AND GREAT CLUB THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
And because the media and press are not been fed any nuggets on the whole process (because of the confidentiality agreements), they continue to make apocalyptic comments about the club.
These confidentiality clauses are in place because some very wealthy and influential groups/ individuals do not want to be known as 'failed bidders' for Liverpool if Broughton does not choose them as new custodians of Liverpool FC.
20 Sep 2010 17:53:23
Why do you tell us the same thing every week then? If you are just trying to put peoples minds at ease why are you and Ian Ayres never right? Always you say it is a few days away and nearly done. One day you will be right. Anyone could write the same carp every week and one day be right. So at least one Liverpool fan here who does not want to here the same carp every week from you.
Because every week we are moving a step closer.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 17:50:41
Deke Reefer
What are you views on the takeover? ?
Macca
20 Sep 2010 17:48:40
There seems to me to be an awful lot of scaremongering on this site at the moment.
The way i see it though is that if Tom Hicks cannot refinance(looking ever likely now after the Blackstones knock back), it comes down to whether RBS are going to re-finance us and with the precarious finances of H&G that probably isn't going to happen either. RBS have no alternative but to call in the loan, Hicks knows this! .
When this happens in October, the bank will take ownership and sell to the highest bidder on the proviso they get back what they were owed on the original loan. Call me sceptical but there would be an awful lot of bidders for the club at 240-280 million pounds. Whoever buys it won't have any debts on the club and would see it as a good investment when the club is worth 400+ million, so far from it being bad news at the moment, just wait for RBS to take control and all will be fine.
20 Sep 2010 17:40:05
"With all due respect you have no idea who i am and what i know. Do you think deals of this size are done in 5 mins, i have been told that we will be ok, i have no reason to doubt that.
I am sure over the weekend when you heard Hicks was trying to refinance i was not on here trying to backtrack.
What i am telling you about Ian is 1 million percent correct.
We are all fans together and i am just trying to pass on as much correct info that i can.
I am not passing on the info to get a pat on the back from your goodself, just trying to put peoples mind at ease.
Macca"
Why do you tell us the same thing every week then? If you are just trying to put peoples minds at ease why are you and Ian Ayres never right? Always you say it is a few days away and nearly done. One day you will be right. Anyone could write the same carp every week and one day be right. So at least one Liverpool fan here who does not want to here the same carp every week from you.
Deke Reefer
20 Sep 2010 17:22:11
IS MACCA THE TRUTH?
BELIEV=YES UNBELIEV=NO
20 Sep 2010 16:54:05
You say this every week Macca. We could wait for another year and then you say I told you so. You have no links to Ian Ayres as you claim. You are just a chancer.
Deke Reefer
With all due respect you have no idea who i am and what i know. Do you think deals of this size are done in 5 mins, i have been told that we will be ok, i have no reason to doubt that.
I am sure over the weekend when you heard Hicks was trying to refinance i was not on here trying to backtrack.
What i am telling you about Ian is 1 million percent correct.
We are all fans together and i am just trying to pass on as much correct info that i can.
I am not passing on the info to get a pat on the back from your goodself, just trying to put peoples mind at ease.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 16:46:49
I really believe that LFC have a preferred bidder, due diligence has been completed and the deal to be rubber stamped. The only sticking point has been Hicks and Gillett (more so hicks) who has been desperate not to accept the bid (which gives them no profit and just clears the debt).
Broughton, Purslow and Ayre know actually what is happening and can't say anything until the deal is signed. They are confident of LFC's position and won't talk to the media until legally allowed to do so.
Hicks is backed into a corner and is running around trying to find a creditor. He is probably on Ebay selling stuff on that as well. Once the RBS date arrives in October LFC will turn to Hicks and say 'show us the money' he won't have it and he will be removed.
Some people have had a go at Macca. He is sticking to his guns and sending the same message. I believe him.
In the meantime if your going the match v Sunderland join in on the 'sit in' protest
20 Sep 2010 16:45:50
Unsigned wrote at 20 Sep 2010 13:04:55:
"Ed please post this!
Question that must be directed to the FA.
When H&G first took over the club, they took over as a partnership which has completely different legal terms and definations to someone who takes over as a sole owner.
Hicks effectively taking over by himself is giving the club a completely different legal owner so will he not have to sit the FA fit and proper persons test by himself - if so, surely he cannot pass!
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Should the FA beaware of this?"
Why would Hicks fail - because the Liverpool fans dislike him? I think not. How would RBS pass - they went bust and were resuced by the Treasury?
Sharkey.
20 Sep 2010 16:38:10
"Mickreds, how are you mate? I still stand by my statements from last week that Liverpool will have new owners soon, that is the info i have been told and have no reason whatsoever to doubt it.
I believe there will be all sorts of rumours regarding the club as the majority of the media are trying to create a story.
We will be fine.
Macca"
You say this every week Macca. We could wait for another year and then you say I told you so. You have no links to Ian Ayres as you claim. You are just a chancer.
Deke Reefer
20 Sep 2010 16:27:34
20 Sep 2010 14:36:41
Blackstone not interested in #LFC debt deal after holding initial talks with Hicks
Where, who, when?? ?
What source?? ? ?
check the press now they have got the story too.
20 Sep 2010 16:10:19
Where is macca with all his statements on a done deal now that this refinancing is possible?
mickreds
Mickreds, how are you mate? I still stand by my statements from last week that Liverpool will have new owners soon, that is the info i have been told and have no reason whatsoever to doubt it.
I believe there will be all sorts of rumours regarding the club as the majority of the media are trying to create a story.
We will be fine.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 16:04:34
Ed, As you already have mentioned that you think that the club would be taken over? I just want to ask that do you think that Hicks would fail in his bid to refinance the debt? its good to hear that he's lost it atleast for now. . {ed's note - Hicks will have to perform a miracle to get someone to refinance him to gain full control over Liverpool. He has failed miserably in his numerous spells as owner of sports teams, he has become a bad risk and this is not the time to lend to those.}
20 Sep 2010 15:51:49
19 Sep 2010 22:16:24
RE:David Moores
Concerning David Moores and liverpool fc. Back in 1996 liverpool where offered King's Dock football stadium as liverpools new home which as part of King's Dock regeneration the city was going through.
David Mopres turned down the opportunty of goverment build stadium at a cut down £30million. King's Dock stadium would been 60,000 seater and goverment built as a regeneration program.
Instead managed to get planning permission for 60,000 stadium at stanley park at the cost of 300million that he and the club didn't have.
Liverpool Council offered King's Dock stadium to everton, who couldnt afford 30million ever.
I can't understand why he would get the plans in place, and then bring in arse-holes like Hicks as new owners.
I understand Moores is too poor to run a large club like liverpool, but when he was offered King's Dock project for 30million. I would have bitten the councils hand off.
I know the potential to expand the club is 0% in that location, the club would have been in a better position today if he took the deal.
The city would be in a better state too.
I just can't understand a man like him.
He must have been planning to sell the club since he got control of it in 1991 and by 1996 he could see the wage bill of foreign players was likely to make it unprofitable to own a club.
Does anybody know what happend to the idea of Wembley of the North with a near 100,000 capacity to built near Aintree for the two liverpool clubs to share, first mentioned in around 1990?
20 Sep 2010 15:45:03
Liverpool will have new owners soon. Pretty sure Hicks will be nowhere near the club.
Macca
20 Sep 2010 15:40:40
Ok. . ive sent the emails to those addressees. . lets hope they get the message
press believe if you have sent your emails
20 Sep 2010 15:29:33
GOKHAM INLER in an £8M move to LIVERPOOL freeing up LUCAS to move to INTER.
HOW LONG WILL RAFA LAST?
20 Sep 2010 15:00:24
Anybody hear the 'breathless and exciteable' Tony Evans, Deputy Sports Editor of The Times last night on Talksport? He again stated that Liverpool were in meltdown off the pitch. But he did admit there are several interested parties who were unwilling to pay the price wanted by H&G. As ever he still sees the Huang bid as 'real', above board and not publicity seeking. But he would wouldn't he after so whole heartedly publicising Huang on the front page and sports pages of The Times over a whole week in early August.
20 Sep 2010 14:53:50
20 Sep 2010 14:45:46
Where is macca with all his statements on a done deal now that this refinancing is possible?
mickreds
THERE IS A LOT OF GRANDSTANDING TAKING PLACE FROM HICKS IN PARTICULAR. THIS IS ALL ABOUT DESPERATION AND HICKS WANTING A HEALTHIER PROFIT FROM THE SALE. H&G WILL BOTH GO. THIS RACE FOR REFINANCING BY HICKS WILL FAIL. THEN THE MYSTERIOUS BIDDERS THAT ARE UNKNOWN TO US AND THE MEDIA BECAUSE OF CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSES AND OTHER AGREEMENTS WILL SOON COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND WE WILL HAVE NEW CUSTODIANS OF THIS TRUELY ADMIRED AND GREAT CLUB THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
20 Sep 2010 14:45:46
Where is macca with all his statements on a done deal now that this refinancing is possible?
mickreds
20 Sep 2010 14:42:27
Blackstone Group, the private equity firm said to be on the verge of backing Tom Hicks in his last ditch bid to retain control of Liverpool FC in the face of fierce fan opposition, is understood to have ended all talks with the Texan.
Hicks had approached GSO Capital Partners, the debt restructuring arm of the private equity group, to secure the funds required to repay the £237m outstanding to the Royal Bank of Scotland in the middle of next month and remain in control of the club.
It had been reported that a £280m, two-year package had been agreed in principle. But it is understood that, although talks took place between GSO and Hicks, they ended without a firm offer on the table. The Guardian has learned that GSO has now walked away and there is no chance of the Blackstone subsidiary lending Hicks the money. Liverpool fans' groups over the weekend made clear the depth of their hostility to the idea that Hicks could be bailed out by GSO, effectively buying him more time to find a new investor willing to pay a premium on the £218.9m the Americans paid for the club in 2007.
Hicks met with the club's chairman, Martin Broughton, and the rest of the Liverpool board last week to outline his plan. RBS, which throughout has maintained that it wishes to find a solution that is in the best long term interests of the club, would nevertheless have no further say in the matter if its loan was repaid in full.
Hicks and George Gillett put Liverpool up for sale in April, with RBS parachuting in Broughton to lead the sale process. But despite a series of high profile approaches, from Rhone Capital and Kenny Huang, no proper bid was ever lodged.
Hicks had hoped that the funding would allow him to take full control, pay down the debt and provide funds for players. Now that Blackstone has walked away, it leaves him desperately searching for a replacement loan before the mid-October refinancing deadline. It would also see Gillett's 50% stake diluted, with the Colorado-native staying at Liverpool in an inactive role.
A first attempt by Hicks to refinance the debt was rejected earlier this year by the Liverpool board to allow Barclays Capital to continue the ongoing search for a buyer. If Hicks approached the board with a new proposal, it is believed that they would also look to block it, although lawyers are split on whether they would be able to do so under company law.
20 Sep 2010 14:36:41
Blackstone not interested in #LFC debt deal after holding initial talks with Hicks
Where, who, when?? ? ?
What source?? ?? ?? ?
20 Sep 2010 14:35:51
Rumour according to the guardian newspaper the refinacing of lfc by blackstone has fell through and that they have walked away from any deal, as they see it was just talks and no agreemnet was in place but they will not be given tom hick any money , fingers crossed
so what left for lfc ,
20 Sep 2010 14:09:09
Blackstone not interested in #LFC debt deal after holding initial talks with Hicks :)
20 Sep 2010 13:38:41
A group of Reds have come up with the letter below, please send it to the parties addressed, we need to show that we are serious.
Hicks must be stopped.
Dear Sirs,
If your company agrees a £280million refinancing deal with Tom Hicks to retain his share in Liverpool Football Club, then the only return that you will see on your investment is bad publicity and a severe backlash from Liverpool supporters worldwide.
As you are aware, Hicks is trying to refinance his debt to the Royal Bank of Scotland before October 6th so that he can continue his disastrous ownership of Liverpool Football Club.
There is no point in us listing the countless and well-documented offenses of the grossly destructive reign of Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The media is full of articles about them. And that is the point. No longer do we rely on the occasional heroic journalist to expose corruption within institutions we hold dear. This is a new age, an era of organized resistance at the click of a mouse.
You are facing an energized, well-informed mass of Liverpool fans from around the world. We are tapped into a constant stream of information on the ownership situation. Every day, dozens of web forums buzz with the latest news. Protest marches, newspaper ads, boycotts and billboards are organized. Every move Hicks makes is scrutinized. And every associate of his is warned.
Refinancing is our nightmare scenario. Anybody who helps Tom Hicks refinance will become our primary target.
We have a decent track record of taking on and beating those who attempt to blacken the name of Liverpool Football Club. As an example, the Boycott of the Sun Newspaper following their disgraceful coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster in 1989 is said to have cost News International an estimated £10 million a year.
If the Blackstone Group / GSO Capital Partners join forces with Tom Hicks in raping and pillaging Liverpool Football Club, then you will be making a very powerful enemy.
You have been warned.
Yours faithfully,
To: -
stephen.schwarzman@blackstone.com; info@blackstone.com; blackstoneinvestorrelations@blackstone.com; bennett.goodman@blackstone.com; laurence.tosi@blackstone.com; Kathleen.Skero@blackstone.com; mayank.rawat@blackstone.com; amit.dixit@blackstone.com; sheetal.thakkar@blackstone.com; cathy.gao@blackstone.com; scott.wong@blackstone.com; bryan.shelby@blackstone.com; debbie.chen@blackstone.com; laura.albero@blackstone.com; ronak.patel@blackstone.com; alexander.wolf@blackstone.com; whitney@blackstone.com; timothy.white@gsocap.com; marketing@gsocap.com; michael.a.puglisi1@gmail.com; kathleen.skero@blackstone.com; richard.gannalo@gsocap.com; lauren.hubbert@gsocap.com; john.cashwell@gsocap.com; eric.storch@gsocap.com; james.didden@gsocap.com; nitin.karnani@gsocap.com; jason.new@gsocap.com
It is a sad and scary time for all Reds fans all over the world. I totally agree that Hicks and whoever is maintaining his continued regime at Anfield not receive any support from us whatsoever. Whether this means a boycott of the club, matches, merchandise. what needs to be remembered that the players and the team need to realise that we are still for them. Instead of regurgitating the same old rumours and angst, we should instead be offering creative suggestions as to how we can rid ourselves of the Americans whilst maintaining our support in the players and the team. This is not about clicking believable or unbelievable, this is about going on the offensive and doing something constructive in ensuring Hicks is turfed out but not at the expense of the team.
20 Sep 2010 13:33:31
Mr Ed do you think that mr broughton , mr purslow &mr iyre are stopping mr jerrry hicks by taking the club by his own . if this happened the world class players will part away from our club & this will be a disaster & if this happened in january we will fight for relegation , every lfc supporter is concern about this .after this loss game against our rivals mentaly the players will be very down to earth .from now on the up coming games will be a final in each of them .tell me somthing all these roumors where all sh. . so what is going to happen from now on cause every single person who follow this great club was from now on, cause this feeling talking about the past every time must be stopped .we need totalk about future & i think there isn't any all bullogs what have been said by mr b , mr p & mr i tom & jerry still in comand this is a war against them if i was from liverpool i will boycot every game this should be done to start the war. mario lfc forever y.n.w.a. {ed's note - the board have already blocked one refinancing attempt by Gillett and they will continue to do everything within their power to block further refinancing attempts by either Hicks or Gillett.}
20 Sep 2010 13:04:55
Ed please post this!
Question that must be directed to the FA.
When H&G first took over the club, they took over as a partnership which has completely different legal terms and definations to someone who takes over as a sole owner.
Hicks effectively taking over by himself is giving the club a completely different legal owner so will he not have to sit the FA fit and proper persons test by himself - if so, surely he cannot pass!
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Should the FA beaware of this?
20 Sep 2010 12:50:46
Please join the boycot and send emails
Boycott of Blackstone interests: do your bit to oust the liar Hicks!
As many of you will be aware, GSO a leverage specialist, part of the Blackstone group, is trying to enable Hicks to remain in ownership (sole) at LFC by extending to him a 281m loan at high interest rates for two years, with no investment in players or the stadium included in that deal.
Blackstone have a number of interests in the UK and we are calling for all LFC supporters to boycott the following products. Do not buy the brands, do not visit the restaurants/ venues, cancel T-mobile contracts if you can, informing them why, and don't sign up to them.
United Biscuits - whose main brands include the following: McVities, Twiglets, Phileas Fogg, Hula Hoops, Penguin, Jaffa Cakes, Carrs, KP, McCoys, Mini Cheddars, Skips.
Orangina
Hilton Hotels, Cafe Rouge, Bella Italia, Strada, Spirit pubs.
Centre Parks, Alton Towers, Tussauds, Legoland, London Eye.
Cineworld.
T mobile.
Please register your intention to boycott by posting on this site. In the meantime, inform these little f*ckers what you're doing and why:
bennett.goodman@gsocap.com; Stephen.Schwarzman@blackstone.com
Hilton Hotels
chris.nassetta@hilton.com, graham.turner@tragusgroup.com, david.fish@unitedbiscuits.com, martin.robinson@centerparcs.co.uk, richard.moat@t-mobile.co.uk, john.sunderland@merlinentertainments.biz, feedback@cineworld.co.uk, ian.dyson@punchtaverns.com, ConsumerCare@agbarr.co.uk
Dear Sirs,
I am writing to let you know that as you are part of the Blackstone group of interests, I am now boycotting your products and services. I am part of a movement launched by supporters of Liverpool Football Club in protest at Blackstone/ GSO's involvement, as mentioned in the UK press, in extending a loan to enable Tom Hicks to continue his ownership of the club.
I shall also be detailing previous bad experiences of your products and services on review sites on the web.
Yours very sincerely,
20 Sep 2010 12:42:49
Spirit of shankley are not going to boycot matches if you read on there websites they are haveing a sit in at the sunderlandand blackpool game and protests outside the stadium and need as many fans as possible to have there say and assert are authority on the lies and rumours about are great club at the moment we are a laughing stock both on and off the field
belivable you agree withe protest
or unbelivable you disagree with the protest
20 Sep 2010 12:34:11
Surely hicks refinancing is a way of helping all parties get the desired end result?
the club will not be bought before oct 6th so hicks is buying more time to sell the club. he does not want and extra, higher intrest loan so that he can say on for years to come. its just a stop-gap/ time filler until we all get what we want, including hicks.
surley the CLUB will be in a worse state if we can't sell or refinace before the deadline.
20 Sep 2010 12:23:57
Sell Johnson, if anyone will buy him?
Why not instead play him on the right of midfield and play Kelly at right back. It may work out the same as Bale has for spurs. What do you think Ed?
{Editor's Note: It is a possibility.}
20 Sep 2010 12:22:07
Can some1 please help, i'm a liverpool fan losing faith, i'll be honest i'm not from liverpool, but never the less i'm a fiercely proud reds fan. ever since i saw robbie ' god ' fowler in a red shirt how could i not be. but lately things have gone from bad to worse firstly the papers are starting to get almost beliveable, and they don't make for good reading, hicks to get full control please god no! i'm even starting to question mr liverpool aka jamie carragher's defencive abilatilys, there is no arguement he is so so commited but maybe it time to try skertel and agger. and maxi really needs to go he is dreadful i actualy prefer kuyt. now i am a fan of hogson i know alot of people are starting to doubt him but i'm still behind him 100%, and i read today martin o'neill to replace him, seriously i don't see how the will improve a thing, i've never understood all the hype about him.
now i know im moaning but things are looking bad, and i know if it was'nt for berbatov yesterday i would have a huge smile on my face for the rest of the year. but the fact of the matter is did we do enough to win yesterday NO! can some1 tkae the pain away lol.
and the letter on here will not work, threatening the bank not to do business with hicks, banks are even bigger crooks than the yanks, they have no morals, no soul, and no feeling.
20 Sep 2010 11:59:10
Ed you still think we will be taken over or do you think Hicks is likely to sort this deal out?
Rez {ed's note - I still think we will be taken over, I don't think Hicks has any desire to keep hold of the club at all.}
20 Sep 2010 11:32:51
A group of Reds have come up with the letter below, please send it to the parties addressed, we need to show that we are serious.
Hicks must be stopped.
Dear Sirs,
If your company agrees a £280million refinancing deal with Tom Hicks to retain his share in Liverpool Football Club, then the only return that you will see on your investment is bad publicity and a severe backlash from Liverpool supporters worldwide.
As you are aware, Hicks is trying to refinance his debt to the Royal Bank of Scotland before October 6th so that he can continue his disastrous ownership of Liverpool Football Club.
There is no point in us listing the countless and well-documented offenses of the grossly destructive reign of Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The media is full of articles about them. And that is the point. No longer do we rely on the occasional heroic journalist to expose corruption within institutions we hold dear. This is a new age, an era of organized resistance at the click of a mouse.
You are facing an energized, well-informed mass of Liverpool fans from around the world. We are tapped into a constant stream of information on the ownership situation. Every day, dozens of web forums buzz with the latest news. Protest marches, newspaper ads, boycotts and billboards are organized. Every move Hicks makes is scrutinized. And every associate of his is warned.
Refinancing is our nightmare scenario. Anybody who helps Tom Hicks refinance will become our primary target.
We have a decent track record of taking on and beating those who attempt to blacken the name of Liverpool Football Club. As an example, the Boycott of the Sun Newspaper following their disgraceful coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster in 1989 is said to have cost News International an estimated £10 million a year.
If the Blackstone Group / GSO Capital Partners join forces with Tom Hicks in raping and pillaging Liverpool Football Club, then you will be making a very powerful enemy.
You have been warned.
Yours faithfully,
To: -
stephen.schwarzman@blackstone.com; info@blackstone.com; blackstoneinvestorrelations@blackstone.com; bennett.goodman@blackstone.com; laurence.tosi@blackstone.com; Kathleen.Skero@blackstone.com; mayank.rawat@blackstone.com; amit.dixit@blackstone.com; sheetal.thakkar@blackstone.com; cathy.gao@blackstone.com; scott.wong@blackstone.com; bryan.shelby@blackstone.com; debbie.chen@blackstone.com; laura.albero@blackstone.com; ronak.patel@blackstone.com; alexander.wolf@blackstone.com; whitney@blackstone.com; timothy.white@gsocap.com; marketing@gsocap.com; michael.a.puglisi1@gmail.com; kathleen.skero@blackstone.com; richard.gannalo@gsocap.com; lauren.hubbert@gsocap.com; john.cashwell@gsocap.com; eric.storch@gsocap.com; james.didden@gsocap.com; nitin.karnani@gsocap.com; jason.new@gsocap.com
20 Sep 2010 11:03:44
Marin to liverpool? not a chance in hell and the same can be said of ashley young! never mind
20 Sep 2010 11:03:00
Believable for kelly at right back and pacheco at right wing. unbelievable if not. i agree with a previous post saying that roy should be bold and make radical squad changes
20 Sep 2010 10:35:37
Martin O'Neill is in line for a sensational return to football - as the next Liverpool boss.
Two of the consortiums trying to buy the Merseyside club want to take ex-Aston Villa chief O'Neill to Anfield if they are successful with proposed takeovers.
(ed. . .what to u think about this rumour, it's from the daily star) {ed's note - they will only be guessing and linking the club to who makes the story sound interesting. They might get the guess right, but this is clearly a guess, not one of the consortiums will have made mention of future managers, why would they? By the time the deal is complete Roy could have turned things around and got the club back on track. MON might have a job, though why the hell anyone would want to employ one of the most over rated coaches of all time I will never know.}
20 Sep 2010 10:11:22
In January LFC In:
MARIO GOMEZ
MARKO MARIN
RICKY VAN WOLFWINKEL
ABSOLUTELY TRUE. . . .
20 Sep 2010 10:00:38
I've heard that Spirit of Shankly are preparing a big response to these latest stories, including the boycott of games to hit Hicks in his pocket.
Im not going to say if its a good or bad move, but what does everyone think?
If you would support an LFC boycott, please hit 'Believable' and visa versa.
20 Sep 2010 04:01:09
Hello fairweather fans.
Support your club.
If they end up in the blue square premier league. .
SUPPORT YOUR CLUB!