Liverpool Rumours Archive July 20 2012
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20 Jul 2012 22:40:43
BBC Sport website say Juventus are confident of signing Suarez an Van Persie, with Suarez reopening the Evra case surely its only a matter of time before hes sold
We are selling andy so that leaves our entire strike force : Suarez and um Morgan does he count? Anyway he is not for sale at any price lol, well maybe 70m or soming.
No it's not, he will not be sold, and especially not for the derogatory £28m mentioned
Juve want it oh yes. who don't ? did they get it no. they don't have £40m+ for one striker. and Liverpool never even think to sale less then that.
Suarez and RVP around £60 million so Juve would be just dreaming!
All clubs in italy are tight on money,juventus will buy a striker but suarez will be to costly for them.
Italian clubs do this sort of thing to test the water? Suarez value is £40m plus.
Suarez will stay for at least one more season.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - Believe me they are serious and I have already explained what they are prepared to offer should they be able to get to the negotiating table.}
In all honesty, I fail to see how a swap involving Giovinco and Suarez would be a good idea (I don't even want to get into the question of Matri). As good as he is, Giovinco is not anywhere NEAR the player that Suarez is, and to make matters worse there is no proof that he will be able to handle the rigors of PL football. Anyhow, I wonder how he feels about being touted about by his club for this player (Cavani) and that. Shows how valuable he is, eh?
It would be an absolute nightmare to lose not only Suarez and Carroll this summer, but all of our other attacking options as well (Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi), only to replace them with a ragtag group of expendables from Serie A. If such a thing were to happen, I could only expect that our goal tally is going to be even lower next season than it was last.
Er - there really wasn't much proof that Suarez could handle the rigours of the PL last season either!
20 Jul 2012 20:24:50
Hi edds is it true we going for ben arfa joe allen and walcott thanks {Ed001's Note - not that I know of, yes, possibly (but hopefully not).}
20 Jul 2012 20:16:13
Hi Eds, is there any chance of us getting carlos eduardo of rubin kazan for around 15m? great player with a lot of talent, also what is your opinion on him?
Thanks {Ed001's Note - I don't know of any interest in him from us.}
20 Jul 2012 21:25:30
Eds.do u
think we are still in for Dempsey {Ed001's Note - yes, the interest is still there.}
20 Jul 2012 21:07:51
Some of liverpools representatives are at team gb game agreeing personal terms with joe Allen for his fifth teen million pound move Good signing
Think £15m is to much, £10m would seem about right. We have to many MC anyway we need a 30 goals a season forward.
Fifth teen million pounds is a bit expensive to be honest... we should have got him for third teen million pounds at most ;)
Haha fifth teen? not the fourth teenth no? :p
Everyone seems a bit concerned about the price involved. But having watched the game, Allen has been very impressive. His movement off the ball particularly stands out, definitely need someone like that in the team.
30 goals a season forward? Sorry but where are we gonna get 30m+ from? Not a chance of getting a striker with a scoring rate like that for cheap
I will say this once adam morgan.30 goal striker watch and see.
"I will say this once adam morgan.30 goal striker watch and see."
Say it twice, so we can all laugh at you. Go on, make my day :)
"We have to many MC anyway" - I don't think that you can have too many public announcers at the club. What happens if we get a bout of laryngitis? I do agree, however, that £15 million is way too expensive for one though.
How is joe allen a good signing 15 million
20 Jul 2012 20:15:23
been to trafford centre shopping today hot rumours that whisky nose has matched liverpools bid for allen . recommended by giggs.
Be just a ploy to pee us off and start a riff with BR, bore off old whiskey nose!!
This sounds like nonsense. Why would SAF take recommendations from players, when he has a perfectly good scouting network?
Yeah sure,,,,,,they know all the inside info in topshop and starbucks.....
Joe Allen would walk into Man Utds midfield. They wont get him though.
Hope this is true, be good to see whisky nose pi***ed off when he chooses us over them.
He just messes around doesn't want players and forces other teams to panic and pay over the odds therefore weakening the financial status of the buying club.
They do have some awful players in midfield? so Allen would walk in to that side.
20 Jul 2012 19:02:22
Eds
any chance of scott sinclair or nathan dyer joining liverpool would make brilliant signings. {Ed001's Note - not sure what would be so brilliant about either, personally, but no, they are not likely to join as things stand.}
I am a swans season ticket holder. Believe me, Liverpool do not need Sinclair. He goes AWOL too often during games. Dyer has not enough end product.
Thank god Ed and join Allen to the list so poor tonight and so overrated.
20 Jul 2012 19:20:04
heard today that skrtel is ready to leave because the reality is we are no longer the force we once were. Also , heard today that if carroll is to go, it will be to sunderland as a replacement for bendter if he does not resign with them, Bellamy may return to cardiff and adam may be looking to leave
Bloody hell that some dream you must of had. you heard all that in just one day. have you told rodgers you heard this?
He won't sign for Sunderland 100% sure on that he is a due hard newcastle fan and hates Sunderland.
As if Sunderland could pay £25 million, and as if a Geordie like Andy C would play for the Mackems - nice try for a controversial post.
John B
Even if we one day we became a less establiished club i still dont think skrtel is deserving of that opinion he hasnt been at the club long enough nor has he played at the level he did last year for any of the other seasons.. i doubt he'l leave but if city where to splash the cash i think we'd consider it!
Sunderland? Oh sure yeah they've got masses of cash to spend.Drunk again lad!
20 Jul 2012 18:59:52
now that it seems clear we can apporach Swansea if both parties agree a fee, do you know any late rumours of Sinclair being of interst to our club?
thanks
gareth
He is overated please no we can get much better.
20 Jul 2012 18:59:02
Are we still interested in Dempsey?
20 Jul 2012 18:57:35
Is Krasic an option for us as the fee would be around £7m?
20 Jul 2012 18:01:43
{Ed022's Note - There has been a Player Profile Updated on Kevin Strootman of PSV. Last year Liverpool made an enquiry about him, and could well be still interested. Check out the profile for more information. - www.player-profiles.co.uk - Cheers all.}
20 Jul 2012 13:34:27
What are these rumours that Aquilani might be going to Monaco to join up with Claudio Raneiri.
I suppose you answered your own questions.
Mighty reds
Great
I'll drive the waste of money to the airport myself! ;-)
5uarezTimes
For some reason I cannot see him accepting to play in french second division
Id even row him there if he likes, given everyone love's calling him Aquaman he can swim there instead. si
20 Jul 2012 13:30:49
Hi Eds
thanks for the great site .
What are the chances of us signing Kevin Mirallas this season ? ive heard some rumours but i regard ur opinion very highly on such matters.
I was watching the kid on you tube, and i must say. he seems far better than Affelay, Tello , Krasic, Downing, and id go on to say he has a far greater sale on value than DEMPSEY.
{Ed002's Note - Lille, Toulouse and, in particular, Werder Bremen have been showing an interest in Mirallas after a move to Bayern Munich failed to materialise. Unconfirmed reports identify interest from Arsenal and Liverpool. Would be a decent addition to the squad.}
I've never heard of him. Who does he play for?
Rob
20 Jul 2012 13:24:19
Greek press have supposedly indicated that Olympiakos are close to a deal with LFC on Suso, combine this with the reports of a potential move for Kevin Mirrallas, is this a move to loan Suso out for first team football and therefore add weight to the deal and then only paying the release clause of 8m euros, if so this would be an excellent piece of work by the team at LFC.
Lanarth
Suso has just done an interview for LFC TV and he said he looking forward to pushing for a place in the first team and that Tiki Taka suits him.
I highly doubt that suso would be keen on the move and 8 mill seems a bit too small than what i suspect Olymp would or could get for Kevin
Suso going nowhere lad! He is one our our top two young players (with Sterling!). He has just had a fantastic championships and is now with the squad in USA! Wont be going anywhere, expect to see lots more of him in first team this season!
Suso will not be sold! Very well thought of at the club. Maybe a loan if he is old enough, maybe eds can help.
Redjay
I dont see suso going anywhere but mirallas does have a release clause of 6.8 mil
NO chance of this, the lad is superb, hope brendan plays him and sterling and some of the other young players in the cups
20 Jul 2012 13:05:30
Unsubstantiated rumours that LFC are interested in Robinho.
The former Santos, Real Madrid and Man City man is seemingly nearing the end of his spell at AC Milan and it is thought Rodgers is keen on bringing the talented Brazilian to Anfield.
10-15 million is thought to be enough to secure his services, however, a move back to England is not likely to be favoured by the former Man City flop. His 100K+ a week wages are a clear stumbling block for a player in his late twenties.
This rumour began on twitter, which would hint at there being no substance to rumour. Just thought I would pass it on
B.Jones
I am sure we will find better ways to spend that sort of money.
Would the unsubstantiated rumour be the one that you just created now by typing this unsubstantiated rumour?
No, definitely not 'just created now.' "Agent007ITK" on twitter has made the claim. Hence why I said, it islikely there is no substance, and unsubstantiated.
B.Jones
I'd take Robinho at LFC in a second. Brilliant player. Say what you want but he didnt flop at City. He scored 14 goals in his first season there so proved he can do it. He is worth the 110k a week wages as he is a brilliant player. Would only cost 12m, and imagine him and suarez up top. Wow the skills would be amazing
Attitude is totally wrong from this player.
Not the type of player we should be targeting, we want winners with desire and heart, not prima donnas. Somethig lots on this site fail to realise.
20 Jul 2012 12:59:06
Eds - just wanted your opinion on the mighty Reds paying £15m for Allen - does his ability justify the price tag? {Ed002's Note - I would not worry about the price tag, the question that should be asked is regarding him being better than what Liverpool already have in midfield?}
Very good question Ed002...And the answer to that is NO i dont think he's any better than what we have already.
No hes actually quality anyone saying we can do better he was quality passer one best in europe last year i think the stat was and plus we need bigger squad anyway for europa you people dont think about things like this then if someone gets injured long term
Cheers JJ
Couldn't agree more with Ed002 - I have always rated Shelvey and thought the Hendo signing would only hinder his development. Now Allen aswell, I can only imagine that EITHER spearo, aqua and adam are all off, Jonjo will go on loan nd the young guns (suso, etc) will all be pushed into more advanced roles, OR we will immitate Spain to such a degree that we play with four midfielders and no striker - Suarez and Borini to opperate on the wings only. lol.
Going by last season the answer is very much yes.
I think Allen is a great shout IF and only if they shift some of our mid fielders out. I would be happy with Allen if they can get Adam and Spearing out for near enough the same amount. I want to see Suso used this year. He is a little genius i only worry if he is strong enough.
Yes much better than whatever 'playmakers' we have at the moment
Thats an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Ofocurse the price tag matterS, otherwise lets just go spend 40m on him.
I am staggered at that comment. Unbelievable stupidity. Thats why we are bloody in the situation we are now, because we bought average players for world class money now need to sell them at a massive loss to go try improve on them after they flopped {Ed002's Note - I did not say price does not matter and it would be OK to spend £40M on him - but your post does demonstrate why price should not be discussed as clearly many football fans are simply not bright enough to understand the financial aspects at all.}
Ed, for u supporters I dont think it's so much about us being concerned for the club finances by spending £15m on a player, I think it's more about whether we could get better than Allen for £15m. I think he's a better option than some of our midfield players, but not all. Personally I'd rather have Shelvey and buy another player for £15m. Just a thought {Ed002's Note - Sadly it is already pretty clear that Allen is not going to be welcome by many of the posters here. It does seem to be the way with the fans.}
Aquilani - leaving hopefully
gerrard - old
adam - not the greatest
spearing - rubbish player
henderson and shelvey -still growing as players
lucas - more of a holding midfielder.
so yes, I think we could use him
redkenyan
Worse than Tom Hicks this lot.
Now we're aspiring to be like Swansea.
Today I am embarrassed to be a Liverpool fan.
Sorry Ed - I think he'd walk into our midfield at the moment. Adam had a tough year, Shelvey is improving and beginning to show signs he could be useful but Henderson is just woeful. Never seen a player wave his arms around so much without being able to tackle. Can't pass that well either!
Ed002 vs the plebs again it seems. Spending £15m, on any player, will not cripple the club in any way. However, in this case it's better than most deals as his wages are hardly likely to be £100k/week. And yes, he is better than all our midfielders excepting Lucas and Gerrard.
At the moment we have 7 central midfield players (including Henderson). With the addition of Allen being very likely that would mean we have 8 central midfielders. I expect two players on their way out, one on loan and one sold. For me ideally spearing on loan and Adam sold. I would much prefer aqualani as back up for joe.
20 Jul 2012 14:33:27
So Ed002. What do you think?
personally i think he is a good player (better than CA any way) an improvement in midfield .....No {Ed002's Note - I try to avoid getting involved in such matters.}
The lad has yet to kick a ball! Do any of the older fans remember hansen'd debut had a stinker but we sang his name till the end of the match! Took Beardsley half a season to settle in,the magnificent ray Kennedy was looking like an expensive mistake for nearly 2 season till the tactical wisdom of bob paisley came into play & my all time favourite real Madrid fans booing zizdane (yes that zizdane) till halfway through his first season......encouge not condemn y.n.w.a paisley's genius
Best post I've heard all day the zidane one. the fans are stopping the players develop! Have patience lads we won't get champions league this season but we will improve on last if we're patient!
I hope we get him this kid is class and will prove all the doubters wrong he wants the ball all the time and doesnt throw it away like we did last year when under pressure Gerrard and lucus will love playing with this kid he's always available for a pass quality signing.
Ed, I wasn't saying I wouldn't welcome him at LFC and support him and hope he does really well, Allen is a great player, but i'm also a big fan of Shelvey, who we already have, who is young and promising...personally, i'd rather see him get a good run of games and spend £15m on another player.
Not sure Allen is any better or worse than anyone already at Liverpool. Dont care about price tag. (Chelsea paid £24m for Wright Phillips and Real paid £60m for Kaka?) This signing is a matter of trust. BR trusts Allen on the ball, on the pitch and he will get better with players like Suarez and Gerrard around him. If Rodgers trusts him, then so do I.
Excited about Allen.......Sceptical over Dempsey.....
Thanks
Kam
Jesus reading some of these replies is depressing. If we want him be happy we are buying someone and we have the money to spend
Be thankful we are not in the same situation as Rangers or Portsmouth!
Rob
I think Allen will be a fantastic signing, exactly what we need, a player who likes having the ball at his feet and can distribute with quality.
I like shelvey and think he will be a great player, but for me, he is still a little young and because of this he can be a bit hit and miss in games, whereas Allen is consistently good which is what we need at a time that the club is looking to stabilise.
I think/hope that aqua, Adam, spearing and cole all leave to free up wages, transfer funds and midfield spaces for the likes of suso
Whats the difference between henderson and allen? {Ed002's Note - £1.20 assuming 30p a letter when you buy a shirt?}
I think that Joe Allen is a different type of midfielder to those we have. He is good at retaining possesion and shifting the ball around the field. £15m is nothing if he works out and loads if he doesn't.
Pompey Red
Pompey Red
Allens biggest problem in the eyes of so-called Liverpool fans is that he happens to be Welsh. I've mentioned it elsewhere but if he was French, Brazilian or Spanish, they would be made up.
Kev.
I dont belive he worth 15 million at the moment but another season or 2 like his past 1 and you would be looking at 25 million,he has loads of promise and with shelvey and hendo he will turn in to 1 of the best brittish midfielders around
I rate Allen higher than Henderson and Shelvey - although his arrival needn't necessarily mean the end for both players. He is also better suited to the style L'pool are aspiring for. Allen is a quality modern day centre mid who sets the tempo but is also relatively effective in both defence and attack
Gav
With you on that one kev! I know it is a different football world but houghton & aldo came from Oxford,one scouse Irish one scots Irish, as a wise man once said it's not where you're from it's where you're at.....y.n.w.a paisley's genius
Much is made of allens pass completion record just ask yourself which direction and what degree of difficulty that pass has.
I rate Henderson and Shelvey alot higher than Allen who i think is so over rated and such a weak player and yes 15 mill is way too much..
Allen would be the 3rd best in our mid definitely! aqua and adam can go, for salary and ability reasons. shelv prob good to go on loan and hendo is great backup to lucas/gerrard/allen and even cole, its not too bad to have 3 of the best young british CM's in squad tho is it! - allen/hendo/shelvey. he is also a great foil to both gerrard and lucas as he is effective defensively and going forward .. AND offers us something in the middle i believe we lack greatly.. PACE- he is quick on the ball which is always useful!
stop being haters and show some trust in our manager- just cause we aren't signing hamsik or alonso. they all had to start off somewhere . and one day we could all be saying how cheap allen was from scfc when he is a lfc legend!
faith boyz! show it!
Shelvey and Allen are two completely different kind of midfielders, Allen is more of possesion man keeping the game ticking over, upping the tempo when needed. Shelvey is more of an attacking midfielder, bombing forward like Gerrard used to do alot of. Don't forget Gerrard can't do it all him self any more, he may become more like Scholes, running the show from deep. Henderson as proved at the end of last season, can become a Defensive midfielder like Lucas, which i firmly believe Henderson can be. Imagine Lucas/Henderson breaking up the play, then giving the ball to Allen, to move the play forward then Shelvey and Suso as the two attacking Midfielders, doesn't look too bad does it. YNWA, Si
lets see what so called fans have to say about this.
Watching the team GB game. Allen looks almost as good as that Henderson and and Adam from Liverpool...
20 Jul 2012 12:57:44
£11 million for Joe Allen, plus add ons. I think we could do worse. Allen was the engine room of Swansea last season and has huge potential. Has the ability to score goals, tackle and provide assists all day long. Just what we need more creativity from midfield. Building for the future here. Gerrard only has a couple of seasons left and will become injury prone. Great to have a player like this in the squad who will become Liverpool's engine room. I hope we sign him and I wish him all the best. MYassin
Gerrard will become injury prone?!?!? Damn he's been injury prone for the past 3 seasons....
And wasn't Adam the engine room of Blackpool? I just hope Rodgers gets the signings right where KK failed.....
Remember Adam - big fish in a small pond, I fear the same with Allen.
If henderson worth 20 mil god only knows what joe allan worth well in xs
Anyone slating Henderson is going to experience a serious case of eating 'Lucas pie' when he becomes a fantastic player for Liverpool. It seems some people do not learn anything from their past mistakes. Try supporting your players and encouraging their development, rather than willing them to fail. Go to a game now and then too, that should help you see the difference between your 'edited highlights' view of players and their actual ability and workrate. Charlie Adam perfectly validates my point, he looked good from the snippets I saw beforehand but now? No thanks. Don't write young Jordan off, he will become a very, very good player for both Liverpool and England. Allen will also do fine for me.
Well said about Henderson, I think he's got all the talent in the world, but he's young and should start to fit in better this season. He's played a variety of positions already but more importantly he's a Premier League central midfielder at 21! Give me 1 example of a top quality fully rounded Premier League midfielder at 21?
RUBBISH....you dropping your standards if you think henderson is good enough for us and allen looks similiar to henderson touches the ball plenty of times but plays the easy pass all the time,never opens teams up if this is the standard of player we buying mid table here we come.... people been saying for ages dont buy 4/5 £10 mill mediocre players buy 2/3 £18 mill proven players look at mata ,silva,aguera, but not us we d rather buy henderson adam downing carroll come on lfc wake up ...rant over cheers.
Haven't seen a lot of Allen ( only snippets against us ) didn't see anything to impress me, but work rate is good, a positive, when you look at some we already have.
20 Jul 2012 11:20:11
Sky Sports understands Liverpool are closing in on the signing of Swansea City midfielder Joe Allen. The Reds are thought to be ready to meet Swansea's £15m valuation for the midfielder.
He's not gonna get us a top four finish, bad signing i reckon, rodgers still thinks he's managing swansea
Can handle the premier league and plays in a attacking role. good signing. stop moaning and support
Great signing, anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know much about football
If he was a Brazilian playing in Spain and called Allenihno, fans would be made up with this signing.
Nationality is unimportant and a reported £15 million is far too high.
15 mil seems OTT to me thought the club had stopped paying stupid money for just above average players?f
15 million???? Why not simply keep Aquilani and save money?
He's not even signed and the guy is getting grief! Give him a chance!
The comment above about if he was Brazilian is spot on.
Give the manager a chance and get behind the team.
Gaz1975.
I rather we give fulham what they want for dempsey, he's a top player....15 m for allen is the same old same old
Good player but we looking at the wrong positions we need width and another forward
You're right, Nationality is unimportant, however the poster above raises a good point that foreign players are more alluring to PL club fans. £15 mil is too high, but almost all players are at inflated prices at the moment, so what are we supposed to do? It's a catch 22, we either take a punt on a less expensive player who shows real talent (i.e. Borini) or we pay a solid figure for a player who has proven to be a success in the PL, which to be fair, Allen has. Every time I watched him he was brilliant not only at pushing the ball forward but his tackling was pretty damn good too.
Yeh its a little pricey.
But he is young, and knows how rodgers wants to play. And instead of Danny graham infront of him, he has Luis Suarez. Good signing if it happens
Regardless if it's a good signing or not,£15m is far to high,and the fact that Rodgers looks like he's not casting his net wide enough,by only signing players he's worked with.
15 m is a little steep, but imo a very good signing. this boy has bags of class. And to the above poster, your right if he was a 22 year old Spaniard or South American everybody would be salivating. Just don't understand why people are so negative, before the season has even started. Judge these signings when you've seen them play for Liverpool!
Think is good singing and proble necessary for Rodgers setup however that is 4to5 million more than he is worth Holbrook still we welcome him to LFC
Rodgers is worried Liverpool wouldn't be able to move the ball quickly in middle of the park. Allen not only moves the ball quickly, but he also makes the runs to receive the ball.
Shelvey has the potential but needs to improve his movement. Henderson has to improve his passing decisions. And spearing has to... Well just move on.
Why not get behind the manager and judge at the end of next season?
Its not your money so what does it matter how much?
We dont want swansea players, we are Liverpool!
A) aquilani isn't that good and hates england
B) In this case nationality is important especially when it comes to narrow minded football fans. As the lad referred to before if he was playing for let's say a mid table Italian team and from south america and none of you had seen him play apart from YouTube then everyone one of you would be made up cause this lad can play football
The cherry picker
"If he was a Brazilian playing in Spain and called Allenihno, fans would be made up with this signing."
Spot on mate, if anyone had seen him play, they'd realise he has brilliant footwork and possession both attacking and defensively and really doesn't waste the ball, with suarez and borini upfront and perhaps a new wide man allen will be golden.
Great addition if we can manage it good player calm on the ball and 90%+ pass succession can't wait to see him pull on a red shirt
Please post other teams attacked swansea therefore more room was available around the middle that won't be the case when playing at anfield and some away matches and before you ask I attended nearly all home games last season
Most of my mates are Swansea season ticket holders and even they think he's not worth 15m! -
Joe Allen does what a lot of midfielders don't...KEEPS THE BALL...young with bags of ability...few guys on here need to watch a bit more football
Brill signing 6th best passer in europe last year gerrard i think will be 1 of the 3 up front if this happens suarez borini gerrard that wud be good ,allen lucas hendo midfield.defence is ok i think.Tommy Irish Red.
Those who say Allen is not good enough were not at anfield last season when Allen and Leon Britten were superb,joe Allen has Lucas like qualities & when winning the ball on the halfway line he is on the edge of the opposition box within 4/5 seconds the post who said if he was called "allenhio" is quite correct in that a lot of people would be salivating & how many people have really watched Ramirez over series of games? & most south Americans do tend to want to play in Spain let's not do a Lucas on this kid eh? Let's get behind him & henderson & the other young players lets build their confidence not crush it........y.n.w.a paisley's genius
I think £15m would be a bargain for a quality, young player. If Liverpool sign Allen, he would be our 2nd best midfielder after gerrard. I think people should actually watch him play before slating him, people think because he plays for Swansea that it means he isn't good, yet people are calling for us to sign Adam Johnson who came from boro to sit on man city's bench 90% of the time? I watched more than 25 Swansea games last season and he was consistently quality.
Please stop being so negative. Allen is an excellent prospect, can tackle, pass and most importantly run with the ball at pace. He will be an excellent signing as we have no other centre midfielder with that sort of techinal ability. As for Aquilani....will people stop saying we should keep him. He is too slow for the prem, doesnt like to get stuck in and more importantly has made it clear he wants to play in Italy...get rid asap along with Adam & Spearing. Shelvey out on loan to a prem team for some experience at the top level.
People STFU! let BR decide who he wants!
Price Tag will be only be justified by performance on the pitch.
Think he a good talent but 15m is perhaps a bit high
If liverpool was spending 15 mil on thiago u would all be happy, allen holds the ball and moves the ball far better than him, u all moaned charlie adam was too slow and now u are getting allen your not happy with that either even though he had the highest pass compelation in the prem last season, who do u want liverpool to sign xavi and iniesta ?
Some of you lot saying he's not good enough....you really need to atually watch him playing full games! I live half hour away from the liberty and ive been watching joe progress through the past few years and hes a gifted player...he really came out of his shell last season...people can say britton was class last year but its because joe made it easy if he was alongside lucas you guys will see how good the lad is...lets not forget he's only 21 he would walk into any midfield in the prem! This kid is a top talent and if brendan gets him before another big club comes in we have made a great signing! Wake up and smell the hoummas people!
Liverpool yet again paying over the odds for average players, what has Allen done to deserve a 15 million price tag?.....you could get 3 Afellay's for that. {Ed022's Note - No you couldn't.}
I've read all the replies to this post and can't help but wonder why so many people want to criticise the new manager and young players in particular. Liverpool fans used to be acclaimed as being knowledgeable but now we seem to be plagued by loudmouths who couldn't tell if the ball was blown up or stuffed.
If Brendan Rodgers, with all of his coaching experience and accreditation, deems Joe Allen worthy of a £15million price-tag then that is good enough for me. If he played for a top European team, or a team higher than us in the league, we would be saying what a fantastic talent the lad is. Perhaps the nay-sayers would rather wait until his value doubles, or he goes to a rival, and then cry about how we waited too long to buy him.
Joe Allen has an immense talent, a footballing brain and actually looks as if he enjoys having the ball at his feet. The transfer fee may be a little higher than we would like but his wages wouldn't, and that makes him a very attractive transfer target.
The FIFA and FM players who whinge on here should realise that their virtual world and its player ratings mean absolutely f-all in the real world, and while they are entitled to an opinion, they should let the grown-ups do the talking for a while.
Pepe's barber.
Allen is so over rated and not worth that if we pay that sum of money BR needs to go already and he needs too realize we are not Swansea.
All managers have players they would take with them giving the chance especially if they are going from a smaller club to a bigger 1 ,this way the they know how good they are and what their getting,off my head big ron leaves west brom bryan robson follows him he wasnt too bad a player was he,all im saying if buck thinks allen is good enough give the lad a chance who heard of xabi when rafa used his spainish league knowledge.tommy Irish red.
20 Jul 2012 10:57:03
Heared a rumour but not quite sure how true it is....this came from a fella i know who is a friend of someone within the club, thats all i'll say. He heared that if we were to get close to 20m for Carroll we would then use that money to finance a move for David Villa. His good mate Pepe Reina has been pushing for him to join him at Liverpool for some time and apparently we would be able to get Villa for a cut price of around the same price. His wages would have to drop considerably, but he is open to the move I am told. Like I say, this is only if Carroll is sold for close to 20m.
IKanITK.
Its extremely unlikely that Villa will want to leave Spain mate...
Don't see it myself, doesn't fit FSGs transfer policy, no idea what condition he's going to be in when he gets back from injury, outrageous wages. I also don't understand why he'd choose to join us when we're not in the Champions League at a stage in his career where he could stay at Barca and win things as part of one of the greatest club sides ever or moves somewhere else and get a fat wage packet for a few years.
Carroll is 23 with potential - Villa has just missed a full season with injury, he's over 30 - just isn't even close to being an option, only an opinion, but it would go against everything FSG and BR have been saying.
John B
Think wages would be biggest stumbling block with any move for any player of Villa quality
Beggers
His sign off name seems to a play on words. Probably just spouting rubbish.
Villa is turned 30 and as yet nobody knows when he would be match fit.His wages are enormous so spending £20 million to buy him would be insane.
He is too old for the FSG transfer policy, but a cracking player all the same! We were so close to signing him under Rafa by all accounts as well.
Gaz1975.
Dempsey will not be a player that fits FSG's transfer policies either but he is a target. Alls i heared was Villa was open to the idea when Reina has spoken to him, apparently. Not to say he would agree terms, but we would move for him is what he said.
IKanITK.
"Don't see it myself, doesn't fit FSGs transfer policy" but Dempsey does?
He would be and awful option for a replacement for Carroll, because he has missed a FULL seaso of league football. Liverpool should go for someone like Cavani who plays with Suarez at Uraguay and even Lewondowski is a very good option as a centre forward. The thing is Fsg just need to look around!
Seems unlikley but not totally beond the realm of possibility. Lets Hope!
Id take him, proper goalscorer. Got a couple of seasons in him, just hope his injury has made him stronger and doesnt reoccur. J staff
Class act, would benefit the young players as well with his experience and ability.
Doubt it will happen sadly.
"his injury doesn't reoccur" ? He broke his leg - hardly an everyday incident. I think he would be quality. If we had him and create the same number of chances as last season , we would be up there challenging.
20 Jul 2012 10:56:33
Hello Ed002,
can Liverpool go for Robin Van Persie as he seems to cost more or less the same as Allen? What's the point to bring in Allen for 15m?? {Ed002's Note - I really don't see any chance of RvP moving to Liverpool this summer.}
The problem is, there are a reported 3 clubs who have bid for RvP. Yes, initial bidding would be low due to the fact that his contract is nearing an end, however, as there are 3 clubs interested, there would probably be a 'bidding war', which, ultimately, will more than likely be won by Man City as they have the most money. Even if we were, somehow, able to put in a bid which would not be matched by any other club, for a start his wage demands would probably be too high for us and secondly, let's face it, at the moment we are a step down from Arsenal- they offer champs league, we offer europa league.
As amazing as it would be to have him at our club, it's not going to happen, he'll join either City, Utd or Juve.
SMC
Allen will be on about £40k, Van Persie about £200k
His wages will price us out of the move before we even consider the current status of the club.
As much of a liverpool fan i am.. RVP wants to win major trophies.. Yes we won the carling cup and runners up in the FA cup but do we have champs league... No.. Are we consistently at the top of the table.. Not for a while.. Therefore why would he even consider liverpool.. Open your eyes you goon
The problem there is hes leaving arsenal to win trophies and i dont think the league cup is one of his prioritys
Totally agree with you mate why arent we in the market for this type of player because its these players that will get us the champions league spot we need luka modric is available for 35 mill 25 rvp that m60 could be recouperated by selling carroll 20 adam 8 downing 10 thats nearly 2 thirds and their 3 wages could then be split into 2 for modric and rvp if we dont buy big then were going to go smaller and smaller we cant live on history alone we need to spend big for one season and iam talking 2 or 3 30m+ players what dalglish spent was about 30-35 million net spend so were all these figures of 150 m spent are coming from i dont know but dalglish did get an awful lot of money back i.e. torres babel meireles lets think big and get us back up were we belong
We could "go for him" but why would he join us? RVP will want CL football along with huge wages.
Agree with you pal Allen is so average and for that price i hope we don't get him.
Whats the point of spending 15m, are you liverpool manager all of a sudden, its not our money is it!
Cant we get behind the decisions instead of dismissing them all time time, like someone has already said 40k or 200k a week
Why are people on here so damn stupid the worlds top players will not join liverpool because of the club position why do people have to be so nieve RVP will not join, modric, cavani or whoever else people say they will not be joining wake up
I don't think for one second he'll end up at 'Pool, but why is it all just about money? Why wouldn't he fancy taking a gamble as the spearhead of BR's revolution? The main man as the most successful English football club of all time plots its journey back to the summit? He could be a catalyst and subsequently a legend. That's what I'd call a challenge. And it's not as if he's teetering on the breadline anyway!
I think he is leaving because he wants to win trophies a move to Liverpool for him is a move backwards
Why would rvp or modric move to Liverpool? Their current clubs, arsenal and spurs are both better than us at the min and they are still both leaving to win trophies at bigger clubs. Think about it!
Andy
If he joined us he would be joining a bigger club.
It's all about the money. If LFC were owned by an oil baron and we offered RVP £300,000 a week he would join us. No questions asked. No champions league either.
Don't forget as well, he had a blinding season last season, all other seasons for Arsenal he has had a lot of injury problems. I would say that once he moves he might get injured again.
Don't get me wrong I would love to see him in a red shirt, but it won't happen.
First off liverpool are a step down from arsenal and a massive step down from unuted and city!second united are the most successful club in english football so get over your league titles from 20 years ago
He wants to win trophies? So he'd have been better off with us last season than the Arse? In fact, how long has he been with them......? I have a funny feeling he would've won more trophies at LFC in all that time?
20 Jul 2012 10:39:56
Eds there was rumours we were interested in Moses a while back but it only seems to be chelsea now. Is it just me that thinks 10m is a great price for him n thinks he could be a great addition. Also with all the players chelsea have bought he would play more for us.
SPARKY {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have had two bids rejected - Liverpool know the price Wigan want.}
After the way whelan treated liverpool over martinez and the reply from Ian ayre no way we will do business
20 Jul 2012 10:33:12
I posted before that Liverpool are trying to get Ben Arfa as part of a deal for Carroll to go back to Newcastle. Mike Ashley is very eager to do a player exchange plus cash and Ben Arfa would mean that the cash on the table would be relatively small amount - in the region of 8 million. He would then sell Demba Ba to bring in more funds in line with his business model.
Liverpool are keen on the deal but Pardew does not want to lose Ben Arfa. No indication as yet what the player wants, but this is DEFINTELY the angle that is being pursued..!
I think you missed a number off your valuation - either a 1 or even a 2, £8 million, absolutely no way.
I'd want Cabaye or no-one. He is the only player I rate from Newcastle.
My belief is that Ben Arfa is valued at 12 million (at least when it comes to an exchange) with the additional 8 million bringing the total to 20million, which is generally regarded as what LFC will accept. These things can always change on a sliding scale, but my belief is that is where they are at.
Ben Arfa overvalued at 12, , Carroll undervalued at 20 - hopefully your belief is wrong.
You need to get real. Your not getting Ben Arfa. No way
Why wouldn't we sign Ben Arfa? Mike Ashley would sell him own mother if the price is right.
Newcastle are a selling club at the moment, thats how the owner is going to make his money.
Shame really as under Pardew you have played some great football and with a few signings you could be challenging.
Gaz1975. {Ed002's Note - Last season Newcastle sold £12M worth of players and purchased £24M. Hardly "a selling" club and improved their league performances.}
Only 1 person actually read the post properly. Carroll to Newcastle in exchange for Ben arfa plus 8m is what it said
Carroll undervalued at 20mil? Just because Liverpool paid 35 mil for him doesn't mean that's what he's worth. I think 18 to 20mil would be pretty spot on.
Thank you Ed002 for setting the record straight about us being a selling club and good luck to Liverpool for next season .kip.
P.s You won't get Benny from us.
I don't want carroll to go personally but if he does Ben arfa as part of a deal would do me Buh really cent see them wanting to let him go maybe ba Buh I'd rather not have him he just won't fit our new system
{Ed002's Note - Last season Newcastle sold £12M worth of players and purchased £24M. Hardly "a selling" club and improved their league performances.}
The net spend for NUFC during Ashley's ownership is over c.£30 mil. Whilest that is in no way necessarily a bad thing, it could be said that they are a selling club.
{Ed002's Note - You were clearly taught math differently to me.}
20 Jul 2012 10:08:57
Rumours going around the Greek press that Olympiakos is close to liverpools Suso
Total and utter tripe!! After the tournament he has just had! Not a chance! Stop talking out of your hoop lad!
I doubt we'd even allow him to go out on loan never mind sell him.
Didn't you hear his short interview on LFC TV 60 seconds , as If we would sell him
I wouldn't mind him going there on loan. mirallas for £10m plus on loan
Suso is developing into a top quality player & more imortant, one that will fit perfectly into BR's style. I would be amazed if he was sold.
The only way that Olympiakos would be close to Suso is if they move in next door to him.
I think hes goin on holiday there next year ;-), not a chance the lad is talented and imo would be a big step back
20 Jul 2012 10:00:21
Reports from Greece are that Liverpool is set to bid £15m for Olympiakos striker Kevin Mirallas
Phil :-p
He has a 6.4mil release clause so i doubt this...
15M is a lot, but still... He would be good addition to our squad so I think I would be pleased with price and player.
That's a perfect signing jst that liverpool is leaving to late for sum1 to grabb him
Just 2 or 3 days ago, it was like, he has a 6.4m release clause in his contract. Why'd we pay 15m for him, then.
I doubt it as it is known he has a buy-out clause of 8/9 million euros
Have looked into this a little further, just found out that his agent has a bit of a 'reputation' for trying to sell his client regularly.
Btw i am not his agent!
Phil :-p
Stop lying hes got a buy out clause of 6.4 million
ReddRob
Might be a conditional release clause... or could just be bull.
I really hope this to be true...LFC needs a player with his versatility to link up with Suarez...plus he can play on the wings and up front...Can you please investigate for us? YNWA
Is Damian Comolli back doing the negotiations for us? It's got to be the only explanation for overpaying again. The negotiations must have gone like this.
Comolli: "Hello we want Mirallas, how much do you want?"
Olympiakos: "He has a buy out clause of 8 million euros, but we may be prepared to take a little less."
Comolli: "I'll give you £15 million quid and not a penny more."
Olympiakos: "Done. Nice doing business with you."
Seems like we got a bargain haha but in all honesty he would be still at that price he's amaze
20 Jul 2012 09:42:23
Hi eds, ed002 in particular..
I know you have postulated that there may be interest in Scott Sinclair after the Olympics and I'm gathering that there are gonna be watching a lot of players...
However, do you have any insight into who else in particular we may be looking at (from other possible nations)
Cheers all, love the site as always, please keep up the good work
Thanks
Ray {Ed002's Note - I can't think of any. I think this years transfers are understood and beyond that it would depend on who leaves.}
Ed2 can you tell us why would 2 very well respected journos in uruguay would say lfc are close to signing ramirez and have had bid accepted? They have close contacts with the uruguayan squad and would not say something so clear, my feeling is when rodgers said 2 possible signings could be completed i think he was talking about borini and ramirez, seeing as we didnt put any bids in for dempsey or joe allen. RedTurk {Ed002's Note - There has been discussion with Fulham over Dempsey and Swansea are well aware of interest in Allen. I have no idea why people put what they do on Twitter and cannot be expected to rationalise it. I have explained on many occasions what the situation is with Ramirez.}
20 Jul 2012 09:40:58
Daily Post reporting Chelsea making all the running for Victor Moses at Wigan but have only bid £7 million because he is in his last year of his contract with Liverpool monitoring the situation should they start to look else where.
At 22 would fit into Liverpool's buy young policy and hope his value improve's.
Personally think if Caroll goes would be a good addition.
vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.
He will join Chelsea they say with add ins the deal must be £10mil
Only way he wouldn't fit into Liverpool's plans is because he's GARBAGE
20 Jul 2012 05:36:55
Any interest from LFC in young French foward M'Baye Niang? Seems some EPL clubs are looking into him.... {Ed002's Note - M'Baye Niang is still a 17 year old with difficulties remaining over his contract. He could not move outside of France without a parent or guardian moving with him until he is 18 under the new rules as he still counts as a "child". Perhaps one for the future. In the unlikely event he leaves France I suspect it will be to Italy although there is interest from Arsenal and Manchester City.}
20 Jul 2012 01:44:08
Hey Eds,
Is there any interest in Aquilani now, or does it seem like we're going to be stuck with him for the foreseeable future?
Thanks,
Alex {Ed002's Note - Efforts are being made by his agent to find a buyer.}
Think we need paul daniels in to get rid of aqalani rafas revenge
I think the Past couple of pre seasons aqualani has been one our stand out performers. I think it a shame he can't get his sh*t together and just settle here he could be a game changer, in my opinion
Rik int Wirral
Ed..tell me why are we so desperate of getting rid of him...i mean i watched his games for liverpool...he was the missing man in the midfiled....behind torres with gerrard..he was just incredible...he is a natural attacking midfielder...y dont we convince him to play one full season..and if he isnt satisfied we owuld ship him out...we actually dont need another midfielder........... {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
I agree, I get tired of hearing this site wanting to get rid of Aquilani. It's not his fault Hodgson shipped him out and alienated him after he had just gained full fitness.
He deserves a chance to impress, with BR at the helm his attitude may well be different.
I agree with above comments I think the lad needs a chance and will show his true class under BR system
Aquilani might have been OK in pre season, but he was only doing that to get a transfer away. He doesn't want to play in England let alone Liverpool sadly! He allegedly pulled out of a tackle in pre season and was the reason why he was loaned out by Roy, couldn't do that in the premiership. I'd rather have a player playing in the first team that will bust a gut for us, not one worried about getting injured or contemplating where he'd rather be playing! An Aquilani giving 100% for us, would be an asset, but will it ever happen?
Keith
Keep Aquilani and spend the money that is going to pay for Allen on Mirallas or Mertens.
People are so easily flattered by a few pretty touches. This guy has made it clear he does not want to play for LFC, he has not got the b**^s to play in the prem.
Get rid , give him away if needs be .We can use his 70K a week elsewhere. I can guarantee he will show some great flashes of skill in pre season friendlies and spend most of the season "injured" or giving sub standard performances.
So he buys a house for a few million then decided to leave a few weeks later.
Hmmm ok
If he is so good? "Why Oh WHY!" can't we get rid of him. It's because the whole world knows he only wants to play in Italy. So knowing this? Italian clubs want him for nothing. Aquilani has just stolen his wages from us and yet people support him! Worst signing evermore for me? Get rid as soon as? Or it's got that bad now make him train with the kids don't select him for any games and force a move that way.
kidmillions
19 Jul 2012 23:11:46
Hey Ed(s),
Considering that we do sign Dempsey, and most likely sell Carroll. We're probably going to be one player short to cover the front 3 over a very long season. What winger/versatile forward would you like to see come in, realistically?
Borini, Suarez & Dempsey can all play as the centre forward. Downing & Sterling wingers. So I'd like to see another winger, Ben Arfa as part of AC-Newcastle deal? Victor Moses £5-10m would be value for money... Thoughts?
Cheers,
Stone YNWA. {Ed002's Note - I postualated that you may see interest in Sinclair after the Olympics.}
Hi Ed 2, that's about 3 times you've dropped Sinclair into a conversation as a possible target after the olympics, have we expressed our interest or is this just a belief you hold, i think he'd be a very decent squad addition with the ability to get much better, cheers in advance mate.
Steve. {Ed002's Note - Whatever I have said, the statements will stand on what they say.}
I hope not Ed he is turning us into bloody Swansea.
Please don't say we are going after Scott Siclair. It's bad enough wanting rubbish like Joe Allen.
Annoys me that people are calling Joe Allen rubbish, look at his passing stats he is up there will the likes of Xavi and Iniesta and he fits perfectly into the play style. I don't see why everyones so against him. All the greats have to start somewhere.
Should be aiming higher than Joe Allen surely, especially for 15million for that money could get dempsey and a proven strikers like defoe
Cloud cuckoo m8 Allen no iniesta if he was would not still be at swansea lol
Why Defoe? He's pants lol.Joe Allen is a cracking player.could he make a step up tho? That's the question. Donny LFC