Liverpool Rumours Archive July 19 2016

 

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19 Jul 2016 22:25:23
Lucas and Flanagan are makeweights for Wijnaldum deal to go through
Info via The Telegraph.

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20 Jul 2016 00:43:17
Can't see Flanagan going only leaves clyne as the only rb.

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20 Jul 2016 03:47:38
Klopp showing his machivellian side. Not dat its bad, its trait of every manager to be cunnning and ruthless when needed. A smile here, a hug there but when its time wield the axe, he execute without batting eyelid.

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19 Jul 2016 21:22:49
Liverpool will make one final attempt to sign Ben Chillwell with a bid of £8M up front and £2M in add ons.

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20 Jul 2016 02:28:05
BigD is this information coming from a reliable source?

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19 Jul 2016 23:24:10
Get him in, klavas and i'm just prsying this instagram stuff of coric has substance and he is coming our way.

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20 Jul 2016 00:06:28
I don't see the point I'm one of very few that likes moreno not awesome defensively but gives u that pace u need getting up and down the wings. If klop develops his defensive side I think he could be a world class wing back.

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20 Jul 2016 05:41:00
Moreno doesn't have 'game intelligence'. I''m not sure that can be taught. He is simply a bang average defender who makes rash challenges when he doesn't need to, who switches off at the wrong times, and who overly relies on his pace to try and cover for being almost always out of position.
When a player is scouted, is any kind of psych profile carried out Eds? We got this one badly wrong IMHO.

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{Ed001's Note - should be, but not always.}

20 Jul 2016 07:22:25
Yeah Moreno is too defensively error prone I'm afraid. Every game I watched him play last season he was an obvious weak point.

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20 Jul 2016 08:31:13
According to me, its Criminal that we do such massive money deals without complete diligence. Sheer waste of resources!

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20 Jul 2016 12:03:37
We don't have a problem with a signing a talented player in an area of need yet we have 25m to blow on a bang average championship player. Beggars belief, really.

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19 Jul 2016 21:15:42
Liverpool and Newcastle have agreed a deal in principle for Georginio Wijnaldum for £23.5 million.

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19 Jul 2016 22:03:23
Waste of money.

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20 Jul 2016 00:44:53
How can he be a waste of money. He's yet to kick a ball for us and people are staying this . Eds are right about are fans slagging of players.

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20 Jul 2016 00:55:08
Disagree Redman, I generally don't think the lad isn't going to be much of an improvement on what we have already and although there is a lot of money pumped into the clubs this season, the idea of spending 32mill is inevitably going to be a waste particularly taking into our account of overspending money on players (Newcastle or not, its a Championship side) and more than likely this time next season we'll end up selling him off for 15-20.

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20 Jul 2016 03:28:55
Why can't you have an opinion about a player, just because he hasn't kicked a ball for us? There are lots of players that I think would be a waste of money, GW is one of them. The fact that he didn't want to fight and keep Newcastle up and the fact that we are stacked in that position is enough for me to think that we would be better spending our money on someone else. I am not saying that the lad isn't talented and if he comes to us then he will get my full support. Just because I have on opinion doesn't mean I am slagging players off.

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20 Jul 2016 03:33:44
Maybe money poorly spent is a better way of putting it. We didn't need another attacking midfielder even though wijnaldum is a decent player, we needed a left back and a genuine central midfielder and that's it. Now we seem to have over complicated things, maybe by the start of the season some of these transfers will start to make sense.

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20 Jul 2016 03:49:26
Power of Bolaise combine with football brains of Barnega.

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19 Jul 2016 23:23:09
Hope not.

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20 Jul 2016 06:20:03
Hes not a waste of money until he has proved that he was not worth the financial outlay. To call him a waste of money is not an opinion, its a judgement based on biased speculation.

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20 Jul 2016 08:02:02
If he scores 11 goals next season is he a waste of money then?

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20 Jul 2016 08:19:41
Spending £27m on a player who we don't need and isn't good enough is a waste of money.

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20 Jul 2016 09:05:25
Can anyone please advise if GW possesses any great Free Kick taking abilities?
I really hope he does as this is one quality that is really lacking across the squad.

Also, I do believe that fans (who have actually watched a player over the course of a season) are entitled to an opinion on that player.

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20 Jul 2016 09:32:03
He is a waste of money because he is not an essential to get just a luxury, we need improvement on different aspects of our squad not attacking midfield which is our strongest position.

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20 Jul 2016 10:01:24
Who's said he's going to play attacking midfielder. If you got back to when he played in cm . Holland play him in the cm postion . Both teams played 4 3 3.

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20 Jul 2016 10:09:59
Fair enough Reus, would you then say he should play over Can or Henderson or Lucas. so where would he fit into the team, i'm sure he would be slightly miffed if all he was going to be used for is off the bench.

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20 Jul 2016 10:12:17
Reus and how is Holland doing at the minute on the international stage.

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20 Jul 2016 12:11:48
When he's played centre midfield he's looked utterly out of his depth, he lacks the discipline and the skill set to be a centre midfielder. Note how poor the Netherlands are when they play him in central midfield.

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20 Jul 2016 12:13:16
Faizal, his free kick and corner taking ability is next to non existent.

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20 Jul 2016 12:15:08
Waste of money? He scored more goals last season then any Liverpool player. And that's in a bad squad. Put him in ours and see what he does.

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20 Jul 2016 12:23:31
This guy (if indeed we buy him) will turn out to be a fantastic purchase. Speed, balance, poise, energy and intelligence.

Alongside the likes of Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge, whilst balancing out the driving attributes of Henderson, Can and Milner, he will fit in just fine and be a real asset.

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20 Jul 2016 12:43:24
I keep hearing people saying'we don't need him as we are well stocked in that area' do we really know come end of window who we will have, as we have been told nobody is safe!, I'm haven't seen enough of him to judge but what I did see he looked decent to me, suppose the proof will be in the pudding as they day (if we do in fact get him)

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19 Jul 2016 15:59:19
Ed2 what's the latest regarding Wijnaldum mate? Are we pushing for a deal?

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{Ed002's Note - Wijnaldum is a player that Klopp has decided he wants and the club know the asking price.}

19 Jul 2016 17:07:15
Cheers thanks.

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19 Jul 2016 17:44:13
Only Newcastle could have a player that was total flop and want to double their money.

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19 Jul 2016 17:47:22
Lord help us.

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19 Jul 2016 18:05:09
Fearless, no way he was a total flop last season, a bit inconsistent but turned some very good performances in.

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19 Jul 2016 18:10:11
I think we should walk away from this.

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19 Jul 2016 18:20:51
A bit inconsistent! He went missing the second half of the season. Newcastle fans used to play "Where's Wijnaldum". He was that bad he was nearly relegated to the reserves. Believe me when I say the Newcastle fans won't miss him and will be laughing all the way to the bank if anyone pays over £20mil.

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19 Jul 2016 18:35:36
I think Wijnaldum would add something to the team, definitely. £20million is a bit steep but when you consider we somehow managed to get £15million for Ibe, it balances it out a bit. I don't think Newcastle fans can blame their season on him being inconsistant.

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19 Jul 2016 18:39:19
Let me suggest a mantra here: Klopp can do no wrong.

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19 Jul 2016 18:43:10
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he score 11 goals last season in the prem for Newcastle? Not bad for going missing. Especially when the messiah Coutinho scored 8. People are too quick to write players off nowadays.

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19 Jul 2016 18:57:26
Amazing how many people are writing him off yet klopp wants him .

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19 Jul 2016 19:03:58
I agree with Leekuanyew, Klopp can do no wrong. 😃.

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19 Jul 2016 19:07:46
Yes he did score 11 goals but not in the second half of the season when he went missing, when it counted, when it was revealed what he really was, a lazy couldn't care less waste of space who was happy to get paid and couldn't give a stuff if Newcastle got relegated.

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19 Jul 2016 19:08:55
God the crap people say on this site. Now i know why the eds get so p****d off with some people. Yeah he might not be the right player we need, but if its the guy Klopp wants then let's trust put our trust in him. On 1 hand people are sayin 'trust in klopp' and then once he signs someone its a different matter. Come on lads he hasn't even signed or put on that magic shirt yet. What happened to that spirit, what happened to 'trust in klopp he's the right man for the job' and most of all what happened to YNWA?

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19 Jul 2016 19:12:32
Some players just don't work at certain clubs. Wijnaldum didn't work at Newcastle. It's not an excuse for his attitude but McClaren probably sold his project at Newcastle as a hopeful charge at European football. If you signed under that pretence and then found yourself staring at almost certain relegation by Christmas, then saw the lack of ambition from the owner, manager and club to sign average players like Shelvey and Townsend. I mean Jesus, Newcastle were enough last season to make half their fans give up On any hope of survival by January.

Fact is, Wijnaldum has real talent and he proved that in his first few months at Newcastle and his entire career prior to that in Holland. To write him off based on half a season in which he lacked effort in a team where nobody was trying is ridiculous. That whole club is an absolute shambles. I have every faith Rafa will turn it around, but whilst I don't condone the attitude shown by the players, I do understand it to some extent.

A terrible owner, a terrible manager, a fan base that has given up, and team mates with no real quality. I'd rather judge him on his time at PSV than that shambolic excuse of a football club. A player who is used to competing for trophies wasn't prepared to get his hands dirty in a relegation battle. Shows he is a bit of a prima donna, but it doesn't mean he is a bad player or that he'd be like that here. Hopefully we could compete for trophies and bring out the winning mentality inside him.

Some brilliant players have completely and inexplicably failed at certain clubs and under certain managers. Look at Drinkwater and Pogba. Not good enough for United but Ferguson got the best out of Cleverley! Rafa didn't rate Alonso as highly as Gareth Barry. So just because he wants rid of Wijnaldum doesn't mean anything really. When Payet was sold the fans of Marseille were glad to be shot of him, so who cares if Newcastle fans are glad to be shot of Wijnaldum?

If Klopp thinks that he can get the best out of Wijnaldum, then let's give him a chance to prove us all wrong. If it goes horribly wrong you can all say "I told you so".

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19 Jul 2016 19:18:32
Chee 6 of those 11 goals came in matches that didn't matter.

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19 Jul 2016 19:24:59
MK basically what i tried to say in a nutshell too much jumpin the gun from so called SUPPORTERS.

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19 Jul 2016 19:45:37
Difference between Payet and Wijnaldum is that Payet had some discernible talent. Wijnaldum couldn't be bothered to do what he was paid for and wasn't that good in a weak Dutch league, do you think he would have ended up at Newcastle if he had played well. If we spend what Newcastle are asking for him that would be as bad as Balotelli, Benteke and Carroll.

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19 Jul 2016 19:47:52
MK I will admit being wrong in future if he turns out a success but, right now, I am convinced he is a bad signing and one that will be put in the expensive failures category- a category we have filled far too frequently in recent times. The fact Newcastle weren't doing better is not an excuse for him playing poorly, it reflects badly on his play and his attitude. Even for a reasonable price I'd be unhappy - but £20million? Come on that is ludicrous. Save it, buy someone better, or even use it to pay the extra money to get the Chilwell deal over the line! This, if it happens, will go down as another transfer failure to add to the huge list of transfer failures out club has been a part of recently. We have no acumen when it comes to acquiring players and honestly, while that is the case, we will never reach the top.

As for Klopp doing no wrong? Caulker is a perfect example of this not being the case. So is a 5 year contract for Mignolet. He is fallable and this transfer would be a huge mistake in my opinion.

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19 Jul 2016 19:59:11
"He was that bad he was nearly relegated to the reserves. " Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you should chat nonsense.
He was dropped from the starting XI for 2 games, against us and City, and that was so they could put out an XI of workers to try ground out results. He actually played all of the 2nd half against us too helping them rescue a point. He started the 36 other premier league games, so you obviously don't know what you're chatting about.

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I'm not sure how you've decided that a game against relegation rivals doesn't matter, infact they're probably some of the most important games of the season for teams fighting relegation.
Sure why don't we discount all of Suarez's goals against Norwich because them matches must not have mattered either. Only got 57 goals for us then.
Every game in the premier league is important, to say anything else is just absolutely ridiculous.

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19 Jul 2016 20:01:25
Red til dead. see why the eds get p***ed? They are more against us signing him than anyone on here. And more than likely the reason so many have such a bad opinion of him.

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19 Jul 2016 20:14:02
MK, making excuses and blaming every other person and his dog for Wijnaldum`s poor shortcomings and trying to draw paralells that make no sense, will not change the facts as we know them to be. He was poor and wasn`t bothered to even work hard to help a team that really needed him to step up regardless of circumstances. mike Ashley is not the reason he didn`t score in 30 od games after scoring 11 in 7 of which 4 were in one game vs relegation fodder. If` he`s that good, why is Newcastle desperate to get rid? Why did he get benched by Rafa for not working hard enuff and pressing high during games? Care to answer that, MK? He is poor, lacks bottle, no desire and very inconsistent, everything we give Benteke (who`s a far better player) grief for and the very things Klopp hates in his players yet you wanna give him a pass by digging up irrelevant and irrational arguments to make your point. Ain`t going to happen. The guy is poor and he won`t change. In fact, he`s not even better than those we already have here so again, he`s not needed and I hope it doesn`t happen.

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19 Jul 2016 20:19:49
Newcastle were poor across the whole team. There was clearly issues behind the scenes which would effect the players performance. That said when he had a good game he looked decent and if Klopp can get consistent performance from him it might not be a bad addition to the squad.

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19 Jul 2016 18:21:24
Eds from what you've learned about this deal do you think we're likely to stump up the fee? Are we close in our evaluation? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Klipperty wants the kid so there is a good chance.}

19 Jul 2016 20:27:43
Actually 'You' 4 goals in a game against a team that were always going to be relegated was inconsequential by virtue of the fact they would have won if he had only scored one, the comparison with Suarez is ludicrous simply because Suarez scored against pretty much everyone and put 110% in every game, something that Wijnaldum has never done ever, he was poor in a weak Dutch league, he's been poor for the Netherlands and he's been poor for Newcastle, he will be poor for us, period. Frankly he's a shockingly bad player who we should be avoiding like the plague not wasting £27m plus on.

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19 Jul 2016 20:28:52
He scored 11 goals from midfield for the worst team in the league. Get off you couch expert positions and stop whining, gentlemen.

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19 Jul 2016 20:42:05
Let the tearing down of 'said' player begin. Newcastle weren't up to much for half the season, when they were good so was wijnaldum. The suarez comparisons end at the number of goals in a game they scored against norwich. There are a handful of players that play like suarez and we are not in the queue to get em.

From what I've seen of wijnaldum for newcastle and holland, he is quick, technically good, lots of energy, creative and gets others involved around the box. To me they are all attributed that Klopp can use. And let's be honest here - even with coutinho, firmino and sturridge in the line-up together how often woild you get frustrated with the lack of creativity to create chances? We need players like wijnaldum who can get into the box, create 1-2s, angles etc etc he can bring a different dimension to our midfield that we don't get from milner, lallana and to some extent hendo. I think he's the sort of player Klopp wants for that mid-att role and brings versatility as well.

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19 Jul 2016 20:44:22
Norwich were always going to get relegated? I didn't realise the premier league was that predictable. He actually scored the first 2 so they wouldn't have won without them. There's every possibility if he didn't take his first chances Norwich would've won the game.
I also didn't mention anything about Suarez's effort but surely if one players goals against a relegated team don't count then that should apply for all.
You clearly don't like the player, and that's fine it's your opinion, but to say that you should discount his goals in certain games is just plain stupid.
Everyone seems to be pretty obsessed with his goals too without ever bringing up his 5 assists, which isn't that bad when you consider there wasn't many goalscorers to assist. I wouldn't consider Mitrovic or Cisse to be clinical anyway.

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19 Jul 2016 20:58:22
There is absolutely no way to judge whether or not this will go down as 'the worst signing' yet.
If it happens, suspend your judgements until we have seen him play a few games for us.

Now I hope he does sign just so he can prove all the doubters wrong.

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19 Jul 2016 21:02:25
100% agree with 'You'.

Cincy, you haven't asked me to explain anything I haven't already explained. Why do you think you know what Klopp wants more than he knows himself though?

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19 Jul 2016 21:11:32
At the end of the day lads Klopp is the manager, he's who FSG and us fans put our faith in, he knows what system he wants to play and what players he believes will work well in it, so if he wants GW then who are we to judge, yes we are entitled to our opinions but if the boss thinks it's what we need who are we to say it's not.

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19 Jul 2016 21:23:45
I have it on good authority that Lucas could be going to Newcastle as part of the deal.

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19 Jul 2016 22:04:24
My thoughts are as normal. Not my ideal choice of signing but if he joins Liverpool let's support the lad and hope he brings success to the club.

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19 Jul 2016 22:13:00
". Sure why don't we discount all of Suarez's goals against Norwich because them matches must not have mattered either. " I think it was 'you' who mentioned Suarez. I'm merely making the point that 11 goals doesn't look so good when you spark four past a team that were only just better than Aston Villa and another two when it didn't matter on the last day. For 30 games last year he couldn't be bothered. If you're happy with that kind of player I will be happy to remind you of this at the end of the season when we'll be struggling to find a buyer for him.

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19 Jul 2016 22:23:03
All I have to add to this is. That's a bit steep isn't it!

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19 Jul 2016 22:35:07
I'm glad Klopp is steering the ship and not some of you negative Nancy's!

Reminder - YNWA.

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19 Jul 2016 22:57:33
I think all people are entitled to be concerned about is the price tag. He's a championship player, with a mixed track record. Compare that to other current valuations. Zielinski for example. If we are concerned to pay more than 10mil for Chilwell, why are we not worrying about spending so much for Wy.

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19 Jul 2016 21:14:03
Have we made any kind of approach yet Ed? Or it all still talk.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, the club has spoken with Newcatle.}

20 Jul 2016 01:19:40
What I said was "I also didn't mention anything about Suarez's effort" since you started comparing effort when I was just pointing out the idiocy of your statement.
If you're going to argue against me please have the decency to actually read my posts properly.
He actually scored or assisted in 11 games (the same as Coutinho and Firmino), so please stop exaggerating with your "30 games last year he couldn't be bothered"
I also didn't realise if you didn't score or assist you'd made no effort that game.
He did play in more games than Coutinho and Firmino, but he would be a backup to them if we signed him.
Also 7 of his goals and 3 of his assists came in games against who finished in the top half, not a bad record. Although his record against the teams in the bottom half is not so good.
I really don't see the issue of signing a goalscoring, assisting, pacy, direct and strong in the air attacking mid as a backup. He'd replace one of Milner and Lallana (preferably Milner imo) both of whom he outscored and he would be an improvement on them.

P. s 4 of Coutinho's 5 assists came against Aston Villa does that mean they don't count?

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19 Jul 2016 23:19:54
Exactly Finglas Red, I think there's a few too many Match Of The Day experts on here!

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20 Jul 2016 00:23:01
Really hope we don't get Windalym. I think he's over-rated, over-priced, doesn't try hard enough often enough and we 100% do not need him.

I wouldn't call him a centre mid, I don't think he gets involved enough in the build up play or positionally I don't think he provides much defensive resistance.

In the Attacking Centre Mid role would I prefer him over Coutinho or Firmino? Absolutely no chance. Right Wing over Mane? No chance. Anywhere but backup? Nope. Worth the fee for backup? Nope.

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20 Jul 2016 01:20:44
How many goals did our midfield score against Norwich or other teams that don't matter MrShankly? I'm willing to bet it wasn't four so therefore if Wijnaldum managed four, does that not make him an upgrade on what we have? It takes a special kind of mentality to fight in a relegation battle just because a player hasn't the mentality doesn't mean they're poor players. Better players have tried and failed, most of the time it's the workhorse type players that prove best at it but that's not going to be much good for us. Also look at last season from Wijnaldum point of view. He probably thought it was the move of his career, coming to play in the PL but instead of fighting for honours he's fighting for relegation, beaten before they had kicked a ball before Rafa. As a creative player that must be a sickener, yes he didn't seem to have the stomach for the fight but he played well in enough games to still prove his quality.

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20 Jul 2016 07:18:02
Franklymrshankly continues to state poor in a poor league about the Dutch league. I would concede the league is no longer as strong as it once was but unless I'm mistaken GW was voted Dutch player of year there. I'm pretty sure they can judge a player and also I'm pretty sure if he was coming direct from PSV not via Newcastle there wouldn't be an issue. Klopp is buying physicality, goals and versatility for what would appear to be a par price. If you look at 25m for Lallana with all of his tricks and flicks and no end product this guy scores and assists in a poor team so let's give him a chance before calling him a mistake.

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20 Jul 2016 08:24:51
If this was Rodgers lashing out nearly £30m on a player this poor in a position we are over stocked in there would be uproar. He's an appalling player and we should be avoiding like the plague.

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20 Jul 2016 09:49:35
"You" are you saying you are happy to spend 20mil plus on a backup (" but he would be a backup to them if we signed him") and do you think his attitude will be good sitting on the bench waiting his chance, you think that'll make him successful?

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20 Jul 2016 12:00:37
Klopp doing a Brendan and the funny part is Club backing him on all signings.

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20 Jul 2016 12:01:38
He was a boss #8 for psv.

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20 Jul 2016 12:04:11
MK, I have read your comment and all I saw or read are the drawing of parallel s of stories of past players, managers and situations that anyone with a brain can draw to make his point. For example, the day Rafa thought Barry was better than Alonso was the day he lost the plot. Proof? Where's Alonso now since he left? Where's Barry?

See, anyone can draw pathetic parallels to suit his rhetoric. Notice, I'm not doing that. I don't care what he did in PSV or in a pathetically poor Eredivisie that brought us the beast known as Memphis Depay, Dutch player of the year that season before they both came to England. Abject player that Depay with a pathetic attitude, just like your Wijnaldum. Bottom line is as Seano said, this is going to be a disaster as Wijnaldum is everything that Klopp has shown to hate in a player. See Benteke.

You say why do I think I know better than Klopp. I don't. I only call it as I see it based on what Wijnaldum has done in England and not in a poor Dutch league. And Klopp isn't a know all either as he is the genius who gave Mingo a five year deal. Not slating him. Just saying he makes mistakes and this will be a big one even tho I'm open to being proven wrong.

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20 Jul 2016 13:40:27
So the manager want him, the club are backing the manager and the lad looks like he is coming.
And supporters are slating him already?!?
Players cab be excellent at one club and poor at another. i'm going to cheer him on if he does coma e and play for us because until he kicks a ball for us no-one can judge him.
I trust klopp and so support the signing. What fans do. Give him a chance.

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19 Jul 2016 12:21:05
Hi ed001

Just checking if you managed to find out if the Wijnaldum rumours were fact or made up by his agent. I think you said you would try and find out but think its judt his agent.

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{Ed001's Note - he is being offered around, he wants to stay in England. So there is some truth in the two clubs having spoken about him, but I do not know of any interest from us.}

19 Jul 2016 16:38:54
According to press association NV we have been speaking to Newcastle about a fee, seems like this one has legs.

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19 Jul 2016 17:15:54
He was awesome as a #8 for psv, Gerrard like. Would need a solid dm next to him if he plays in the centre.

Not as good as any of our starting attackers tho so he is being bought if so for the centre.

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19 Jul 2016 17:57:18
GW V coutinho v firmino.
Games played : 38 - 26 - 31
Passing accuracy (%) : 84.8 - 78.9 - 76.7
Duels won (%) : 48.1 - 42.8 - 39.3
Aerial duels won (%) :38.8 - 17.9 - 12.7
Recoveries: 228-127 - 138 (granted the games difference)
Goals:11-8- 10
Assists:5-5-7
Shooting accuracy:70.1 - 44.1 - 54.3 (%)
Crossing success:30 - 27.3 - 6.3 (%)
Chance created: 48- 50 - 49

Defensive duties:
Tackles won (%) : 84.2 -82.9 - 83.6
Blocks: 6 - 1 - 2
Interceptions: 27 - 17- 16
Fouls won: 51 - 29 - 20.
I hate playing the 'stat' card but looking at his all around game he's definitely a quality player, my concerns would be where he would fit in. He played in a relation team and statistically had a good season, I'm sure this will get a lot of dislikes etc but just the facts. I think at 20-25 million when you consider 15 for ibe, 100 for pogba, 36 ish for mane, I think it looks a fair deal.
Sorry for the large post I just wanted to point it some things as I feel GW was getting a harsh time on here.

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19 Jul 2016 17:59:58
We would get overrun if he where to play one of the two sitting midfielders in a 4-2-3-1. It's as if we are completely relying on our centre backs to do the defending, that has worked out great the past couple of season.

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19 Jul 2016 18:14:46
6 of his goals were scored in dead rubber matches so don't really mean anything. Ask any Newcastle fan what they think of him and I can assure you that they do not have a high opinion. He was nothing like Gerrard at PSV and frankly that's a ludicrous comparison.

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19 Jul 2016 19:50:38
Boss stats justafan - do you have stats for bottling it/ not being up for it when the chips are down? No, didn't think so. You cannot measure attitude with a simple stat and his is not good enough.

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19 Jul 2016 20:18:22
Frankly MrShankly, it seems that those clamoring for Wijnaldum to come here will pull any old and pathetic stat or argument to make their case. Problem is that all of the stuff they present flies in the face of what we all know and have seen as facts. We all saw Wijnaldum play last season and how poor, inconsistent and desireless he was to the point of getting benched by Rafa in the heat of a relegation fight. I will believe any Newcastle fan`s opinion about him before I believe a worthless stat presented by fans who just want a 25m pound player to gloat about. But they`ll keep trying tho.

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19 Jul 2016 20:45:33
Well ya can't argue with stats that don't exost now can ya seano!

Is there such a thing as deadrubber games in the prem? I wouldn't have thought liverpool fans are in such an esteemed poaition to take that view on the premier league.

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19 Jul 2016 20:47:17
Great post justafan.

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19 Jul 2016 21:45:22
Bottling it? In what sense? Does coutinho not go missing in some of our biggest games? Everybody loves 'hendo laaaaa' he's as good as mane, costs a lot less. All this BS about 'he got 4 in one game' and what? When's the last time one of kjr other midfielders score 4 in a game? All goals count! His stats keep up with those of our attacking midfielders and the deeper set ones, even compare well with everyone's beloved 'hendooooo' (which I don't understand) . The lad played every game in the league scored goals got the assists and people seem to think because they were relegated means he didn't do enough. I am not 'bashing' any of our players but instead making the point none are without fault, but to make out a Dutch international is sub par is farcical. As I have said once, and will repeat again, the ONLY issue is where would he be played who will make room for him. I have complete faith in ollllll jurgen.

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19 Jul 2016 21:45:42
seano I could play devils advocate here and say where was Coutinho in the Europa league final when we needed him most?
He was anonymous.
Give the bloke a chance IMO.
This next statement isn't directed at anyone in particular but I find it amazing how everyone is a football expert these days. The growth of games likes Fifa and football manager have a lot to answer for in them stakes as far as I can tell as everyone looks at their stats on these games and their "potential ability" on football manager and based their opinions on that as if they know it as fact themselves.

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19 Jul 2016 21:55:02
I never once compared stevie g to anybody? Or vice-versa. I am not here to argue with a load of Site readers, it is probably of great annoyance to the eds and its just rather tacky. All I did was provided useful information which disproved a lot of what some of you guys said, perhaps explaining why I was 'poo-pooed'. Some players aren't good in particular situations, he doesn't really seem like a 'Rafa' type player anyway, were you not all moaning about manes attitude two weeks ago? So before you all continue to insult me for what is probably a more Informative post than that of those who are insulting me, re-read what my original post said. 'Any old pathetic stat' I used liverpools own site for the stats and comparisons! We all have differing views in Football.

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19 Jul 2016 22:16:25
Actually faithinworks there is a dead rubber when you've already been relegated, it's the last game of the season and there is nothing left to play for. That is the text book of a dead rubber.

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19 Jul 2016 22:26:46
Best post I've seen in a very long time justafan. Genuinely interesting. Still overpriced though.

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19 Jul 2016 22:39:12
Funny how so many so called fans are putting Newcastle down, yet how many points did they take off us . we could not always beat them, why is that . they have some of the best fans in the world . whoever we sign, whoever comes thru, from the reserves, we should give our full support .

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20 Jul 2016 00:27:25
@justafan - I think your post could be framed as a perfect example of how stats in their own are useless.

I'm sorry but after seeing him play I personally wouldn't want us to sign him.

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19 Jul 2016 23:28:38
Very interesting Justafan!

Anyway you look at it, they are not the performance stats of a POOR player! You just can't spin it to me. A poor player does not perform like that and the negatives on here won't persuade me otherwise.

Fed up of everyone talking like he can barely kick a ball and offers nothing. He got more goals than Phil 'the messiah' Coutinho for god's sake (tongue in cheek)!

Not saying he's amazing, not saying I would even advocate signing him but some of the nonsense on here from so-called expert posters is just getting silly - you'd think we were signing a guy with one leg!

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19 Jul 2016 23:36:27
Deadrubber games? Liverpool either got draws or lost in those supposed deadrubber games. 😂😂 clearly Liverpool aren't of Newcastles high standing for them to be considered deadrubber games for Liverpool too.

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19 Jul 2016 23:42:00
Also whilst quite a simplistic view, his goals and assists contributed 17 points out of Newcastles total of 37.

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20 Jul 2016 12:05:52
Seano, people post stats when they can't answer logical questions like the one you just asked as there is no stat that measures for having a poor attitude and being a bottler.

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19 Jul 2016 11:31:21
Hi Eds
Read reports that we are interested in Brozovic from Inter. Any truth or is he just the journos best guess of the day?

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{Ed002's Note - Inter's Marcelo Brozovic has been made available to raise funds with the club offering him to Spurs, Everton, Arsenal (who previously tried to sign him from Dinamo Zagreb) and Chelsea. Villarael and Barcelona have been watching him as well. Inter were looking to replace him with Grujic but have lost out there. Arsenal's interest remains but no bid has been made yet.}

19 Jul 2016 13:50:45
Can't see us signing him, we have Grujic?

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19 Jul 2016 13:50:45
Can't see us signing him, we have Grujic?

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19 Jul 2016 16:48:27
That a question?

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19 Jul 2016 16:53:29
He likes a gamble should probably steer clear.

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19 Jul 2016 09:16:35
G'day Eds,
Do you know if there is any truth that Newcastle are interested in Lucas? He said some time ago he would like to stay in England and a reunion with Rafa just seems like a nice idea all round.

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{Ed001's Note - Rafa would love to sign him, but he needs to get rid of some first.}

19 Jul 2016 10:16:05
Could use him as a bargaining chip to get GW lol.

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19 Jul 2016 10:41:02
This is certainly possible with Wijnaldum coming this way. Selling a DM and buying a B2B player.

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19 Jul 2016 10:51:06
Lucas is too good for the championship.

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19 Jul 2016 11:52:16
Wijnaldum is not a box to box player, he does no tracking back! did you watch Newcastle at all last season?

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19 Jul 2016 10:40:57
Cant see Lucas being willing to drop down to the championship though! I'd hate to see him leave personally as I love Lucas, but unfortunately it doesn't seem as though he's going to get the minutes he needs to stay :(

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19 Jul 2016 12:14:46
Second that, Lucas is one of my favourite players! would be sad to see him go, but i'm sure the club won't be sentimental like the rest of us.

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19 Jul 2016 12:27:02
Newcastle or Turkey. I think I would settle for the championship thanks.

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19 Jul 2016 12:48:43
I'd be confident that he would help them get promotion and be back in the Prem in one season. He's a great guy and a fine player. Watching him making forward runs and actually get into the box these last few friendlies has been a joy. He did used to score goals back in Brazil. I think he deserves to be somewhere that he is loved and appreciated and It'd be great to see the welcome he'd get on his return to Anfield in 17/ 18. (or in a cup match this season) :)

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19 Jul 2016 18:05:41
I love Lucas too but he's far too inconsistent season after season. A move to the Magpies could do him good. At the end of the day I would back them to come straight back up then he would be in the PL under a good manager like Rafa, worth the gamble for Lucas in my opinion.

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19 Jul 2016 07:15:23
Good Morning ED001

I was wondering if you did manage to seek any information in regards to yesterdays rumours that started to circulate about Gary Medel and that Klopp was interested in bringing him to the club?

I think you said you were going to triple check! so apologies if i'm a little early

Thanks in advance Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - not heard back yet from one person, so far all seems to be negative though, sadly. I would love it to happen!}

19 Jul 2016 07:47:48
He's massively average. Like a Sunday league version of Mascherano. Swerve.

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19 Jul 2016 07:58:31
Good job ed001 didn't see you say that!

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19 Jul 2016 08:10:50
Seriously Lee? Medel is anything but average. He is a far better player than Mascherano as well. If he signed, he'd be straight in our midfield next to Henderson.

He is basically Mascherano, but with actual football ability to go with the terrier like, hard tackling game.

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19 Jul 2016 09:44:39
I've seen medel play quite a lot. I was a cardiff city season ticket holder when he played there. And I say with confidence that if he signed for us, we would need to have disciplined full backs, because that would be the only way in behind our defense. Medel is a beast playing just in front of the back line (far far superior to masch) . For me he would be signing of the season. Let's hope the reply you're waiting on is the answer we want ed001.

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19 Jul 2016 10:33:11
Medel is a tough competitive defensively sound centre midfielder. He would make a good signing as he would give us someone who could stop attacks when we want to get a result.

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19 Jul 2016 10:24:45
Average? Shows how much you've seen him then doesn't it? He's a fantastic player. A player for a while now I'd love to see in a Liverpool shirt.

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19 Jul 2016 13:40:49
I don't know if anyone has noticed this or pointed it out, but these rumours about Gary Medel started after Sakho changed his number from 17 to 3. Medel plays with number 17, so it seems to me like it's just silly journalism connecting the dots.

Then again, maybe it's actually paving the way for him haha.

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19 Jul 2016 17:49:25
Leej5, your post shows clearly that you have never seen him play.

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19 Jul 2016 22:59:39
Better than mash! Oh my God are you for real!

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20 Jul 2016 00:13:48
Griff y were u a Cardiff city season ticket holder when u support Liverpool? Odd.

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