Liverpool Rumours Archive July 17 2016

 

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17 Jul 2016 23:00:34
Evening eds

What do you make of our reported Wijnaldum interest please? I think he can do a decent job but he does seem a little grumpy to say the least?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not surprised at Klopp making odd choices - I am not convinced that it makes any sense to loom to someone like GW.}

17 Jul 2016 23:11:39
Gw. Good one.

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17 Jul 2016 23:16:30
Can I ask ed please was this and the Klavan a little out of the blue as didn't see it mentioned before tonight.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, he was a target of Everton a couple of years ago.}

18 Jul 2016 00:39:12
Why are you not surprised may I ask.

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18 Jul 2016 01:10:45
Eds - from your in depth knowledge - do these rumours actually have legs? I take your insight as gospel and nothing positive has been said about Wijnaldum, so based on that - i'm hoping that it's nonsense and agents trying to drum up interest in him.

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{Ed001's Note - from what I can find out it is not true. Newcastle are desperate to offload him and his agent is desperate to get him a move and that is all this is according to someone at Newcastle. He was dropped for not pressing, so I really can't see it being true, but I am trying to find out from the Liverpool end before I am definite. Everton have revived their interest by the way.}

18 Jul 2016 06:06:20
Thanks Ed001 - will keep an eye out for an update if you get any info from Liverpool's end. As always, much appreciated.

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{Ed001's Note - you are welcome.}

18 Jul 2016 09:28:53
Just seen this reply ed. Great update as usual. Will see what develops and what you find out.

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18 Jul 2016 09:53:44
Terrible player. OK for Everton but not us.

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18 Jul 2016 09:55:02
I find it hard to believe that Klopp would be interested in a lazy player.

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18 Jul 2016 09:56:56
He was dropped during a relegation battle, the Newcastle fans can't wait to get rid.

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18 Jul 2016 11:13:35
Thanks Ed.

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18 Jul 2016 13:12:45
I'll put this out there.

If we sign Wijnaldum, he'll turn out to be one of the best signings of the season, if not, the.

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18 Jul 2016 13:52:23
He certainly wasn't the signing of the season last season!

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18 Jul 2016 13:58:10
I believe Ed as well. I don`t think this is true with Wijnaldum. I think it`s just agents putting his name out there to get interest as he is everything Klopp doesn`t like in a player. The fact that he got dropped in a relegation battle says it all for me.

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17 Jul 2016 22:57:43
Reading in a few different places that we want to sign Wijnaldum from Newcastle for £20 million yet we would not pay i think £13 million for Zieninski. It really does not make sense to me.

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17 Jul 2016 23:30:27
Again, how hard is it to understand? We bid what we bid for zielinski because that's what we thought he was worth, we're not gunna bid more than our valuation for a player. If another player we are looking at, has a higher valuation then maybe we will be happy to bid more.

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17 Jul 2016 23:54:06
Well I don't think zielinski is worth the price udinese were asking for after we tapped him up and honestly, he's not good enough so you shouldn't really be upset about that. On the other hand, someone who I was impressed with at times in GW again does not cost £20m but these are all inflated prices. Really the problem here isn't the price tags it's the type of player we are going for. I understand klopp would prefer a more attacking central midfielder but is that what GW is? I thought he was more of a forward and if so where the hell would he fit into our squad and to replace whom. Surely that's the end of Milner, lallana and markovic. Not sure why we don't just keep markovic.

If GW is a more central midfielder, I would say, from watching him, he is not what we need right now as we are overstocked on this type of player. We need a more solid, tactically sound midfield so I think most of us where hoping for a defensive minded midfielder. I just don't understand this personally even though I think GW is a decent player.

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18 Jul 2016 00:53:44
Bcos Klopp now has Branaggan who can play deeplying playmake, similar to Zielinski but raw. So dats why not giving in to Udinese.

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18 Jul 2016 02:08:18
My previous point exactly. we did not increase our bid for Zielinski because we had a better target lined up. Wijnaldum is a top player and will improve the team.

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18 Jul 2016 08:18:30
Wijnaldum is certainly not a top midfielder, he's anything but. Did you see a procession of top clubs scrambling to sign him after relegation or when he was at PSV? No. And there's a reason for that. He's a very poor player with a shocking attitude.

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18 Jul 2016 08:39:10
A club that got relagated to the championship want him to leave, if he was any good at all, why would they do that?

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18 Jul 2016 09:02:36
It makes a change for us to be linked with a player AFTER Spurs have been linked. It's become something of a pattern that we are linked with players who then join Spurs. No thanks on this one though, he's not Liverpool quality and far from an improvement on that which we already have.

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18 Jul 2016 14:04:10
Power, if Winaldum is such a top player, why was he dropped for being lazy during a relegation scrap by Newcastle? Let that sink in for a moment. I suggest you read Ed01`s evaluation of him or better yet, watch the games yourself. He`s the same as Sissoko. Good on TV and stats. The fact is that he, like Sissoko, are poor, lazy players who have nothing to add to our team and aren`t better than those we already have at the club including the academy. Ed02 has already said the rumor is not true and that why would Klopp sign a player who possesses the very qualities or lack thereof, he hates in a player which is laziness, poor skill and very little consistency? It`s all paper talk and to me, agents are just trying to get interest for him as well as Sissoko as Newcastle desperately want rid.

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17 Jul 2016 22:53:27
Absolutely baffled by the Wijnaldum and Klavan news. Wijnaldum is nothing more than average, goes missing far too often and plays for himself rather than the team. Then there's Klavan. Where is the logic in letting Kolo go to then spend 4m on a 30 year old to sit on the bench?

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17 Jul 2016 23:06:46
Yep, two players not worth £30m combined. Neither good enough. Sorry message to the up and coming doing well preseason. Do not need another attacking midfielder, unless Coutinho is still going and another two.

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17 Jul 2016 23:14:28
Jeez why are people whinging the guy klavan has played over 100 internationals and was solid against us in Europe both legs would you rather skrtel? Toure come on? These are the reasons our defence was atrocious last year because of these types of players we need this shake up with experience and arieal ability and to rid the team of the mental instability that spread through the team last year.
So many people saying GW is a bad move I don't agree like I said before I think he will be a big hit but I guess we will have to see on that one.

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17 Jul 2016 23:29:49
Klavan I know nothing about and have no opinion to offer. But Wijndum is a huge waste of money and would be gutted if we wasted money on him.

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17 Jul 2016 23:40:06
Actually our defence was poor because it was in front of a hopeless goalkeeper and featured two full backs hopeless at defending. Kolo actually had a very strong season and was arguably our best player in the EL final. Just doesn't make sense to get rid of him, with all his Premier league experience and bring in a 30 year old with none.

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17 Jul 2016 23:57:40
Lucky digit I would definitely have preferred keeping kolo. Kolo is far more established than this guy and have played basically his whole career in the premier league. Last season after we where down to the bare bones in CB he was one of our better players. Never seen this guy klavan but it's just all a bit odd. Just very odd decisions in the transfer market and I've said this pretty much all summer and I've been slated by some of the posters and you know who. Now the evidence is right in there face.

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18 Jul 2016 00:29:41
Kolo toure has 6 years on him toure is well past his best would prob do a job in Scotland. He has addressed the goalkeeper and looks like he's looking at different full back options. But getting your knickers in a twist over a player who is a direct replacement for skrtel he knows well from Germany and is prob on half the wages with more international experience is just nit picking.

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18 Jul 2016 05:43:44
Just read that Klavan can play at left back. If he really can, for 4mil, covering two areas, that seems like a good deal to me.

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18 Jul 2016 14:10:54
Well, don`t know much about Klavan BUT he was more than solid against us in the EL game so I will trust Klopp on this one as he has known him from his time in Germany. Also, he can play LB too by all accounts hence, we have killed two birds with one stone. I loved Kolo and thought he was great last season when called upon but seriously, he`s 36 and not getting any younger. As for Wijnaldum, it is just clueless and I don`t think Klopp would want such an awful player who got dropped from a more than poor Newcastle team.

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17 Jul 2016 22:43:27
LFC to sign 30 yr old CH Ragnar Klavan for a reported fee of £5 mill from Augsburg.

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{Ed002's Note - Klipperty must have found Roberto Martinez's old hit list.}

17 Jul 2016 23:07:42
Is he of any quality to ever play past the injury hit first 4 games? £1m a game plus wages etc. Shocking.

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17 Jul 2016 23:23:26
that's the end of wisdom and illori then what a shame we didn't either keep toure or put our faith in a squad player, working out our transfer strategy is like trying to work out the meaning of life, not surprised our rivals fans take the mickey out of us, we either overpay for players were not desperate for yet act stingy for players we could do with, mane and chilwell being the perfect examples in this window.

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18 Jul 2016 00:50:43
So you think we were not lacking a winger? And are holding back paying more money for that left back who has yet to play a premier league game. We want a left back but we will pay the best fee for one that suits. Just because Chilwell might end up being the perfect fit doesn't mean he is the only one that could.

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18 Jul 2016 03:09:50
kopdogs even you have to admit we are so inconsistent in our transfer dealings, so I used mane and chilwell as examples, I am actually very pleased we signed mane mate, but we didn't hesisitate and got it done, arguably you could say we needed a left back more, yet after identifying who we want and being told what to pay, we hesitate even though he comes highly recommended by klopp's best mate. we either pay £10m for chilwell or £25m for hector or we do nothing and start the season with Moreno at left back, all for the sake of £3m.

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18 Jul 2016 14:12:07
Kenny, the ed`s have said that Chilwell may still be signed but he is injured hence, can`t pass a medical which may be why it is taking this long.

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17 Jul 2016 22:41:36
Ragnar Klavan to join in the next few days. CB from Augsburg.

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17 Jul 2016 22:41:18
Liverpool close to signing Ragnar Klavan from Augsburg for £4.2m.

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18 Jul 2016 00:36:34
This boy will be good somthing we need is strong and tall cb that can head a ball help GK out this year somthing that was so poor last season was set peace so hears hoping our new look back line will be really gd.

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17 Jul 2016 22:18:41
Tony Barrett and Paul Joyce reporting Wijnaldum. Not overly enthused to be honest.

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17 Jul 2016 22:13:22
Reports suggest that we have turned to Wijnaldum after missing out on Zielinski, talks are ongoing but Liverpool are confident of striking a deal.

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17 Jul 2016 22:16:04
I bloody hope not! would prefer brannagan every day of the week.

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17 Jul 2016 22:17:02
Hope not. That would be throwing money away. We are well covered for attacking midfielders and frankly he was rotten last year for Newcastle.

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17 Jul 2016 22:24:05
Noticed this a few times in the last couple of hours! Hmmmmm.

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17 Jul 2016 22:37:34
This could be possible, and I'm not doubting his ability, but this still makes little sense to me.

Piotr Zielinski was our main midfield target and we let him get away because we wouldn't pay the 15 million until the very last minute, when we had already burned bridges with Udinese.

And yet our back up target, so to speak, is Newcastle's Wijnaldum. a player who would cost us more than Zielinski at about 20 million?

Why would we pay more for our back up target then our main target?

I'm left scratching my head at this. Klopp clearly wanted Zielinski and whoever was in charge of player recruitment further exacerbated the situation (I. e. tapping up) by offering less.

I honestly don't remember much of Wijnaldum when he played in the prem last season so I have no basis to form an opinion about his ability but I remember one of the Ed's seemed unsure about him, doubted his bottle when Newcastle faced a relegation battle if I remember correctly.

I'm guessing this signing would also spell the end of Joe Allen's tenure with Liverpool. A shame as I thought he was coming into a little bit of form but it might be best for all parties. A fresh start for Allen and some money in Liverpool's coffers.

Regardless I'll be interested to hear everyone's opinion on this.

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17 Jul 2016 22:46:53
I would rather give branagan his chance tbh, I think that any Newcastle player who gets a transfer back to the premier league can count themselves very lucky imo. we would have had zielinski if the player and klopp had acted more professionally let's not forget the player stupidly wore the Liverpool shirt as well as letting the world know about his conversations with klopp. couldn't we use this money to finally give Leicester want they want for chilwell or is that to sensible a transfer approach?

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17 Jul 2016 22:51:41
Winnaldum is lightweight, can't tackle, isn't a centre midfielder, isn't a winger, isn't exceptionally paced and isn't exceptionally skilful. Not needed thanks.

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17 Jul 2016 23:04:55
If this happens then Klopp has lost the plot. Why are we interested in such a pathetically poor player whose qualities help get Newcastle get relegated? The guy isn't even better than ANY of our midfielders at the club including the academy. I'll believe it when I see it.

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17 Jul 2016 23:52:47
nice of us to contribute to rafa's promotion push, here you are rafa have £25m, for the dutch lad, we might come back for sissoko if we get rid of bentenke.

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18 Jul 2016 05:54:09
Wijnaldum would be a poor signing in my opinion, really poor. Very inconsistent, complete lack of work ethic and, even on his good days, is far from impressive. The fee is also ridiculous. Think this may go down as a very bad signing if it happens - hopefully it is just nonsense.

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17 Jul 2016 15:51:41
Linked with Jeremy Mathieu, hope not.

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17 Jul 2016 22:47:24
Agreed not required thank you.

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17 Jul 2016 14:58:51
I heard from a reliable source this morning that Klopp plans to keep Ilori. Not sure why as he has never looked up to standard and not sure if this will have any affect on our rumoured search for a centre half just passing on the info.

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17 Jul 2016 16:50:57
I'm glad if he is staying.

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17 Jul 2016 17:13:44
If sakho and Gomez are injured, it makes sense to keep him rather than bringing in someone else.

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{Ed002's Note - It makes zero sense given Ilori will be missing from much of pre-season and the start of the season. Maybe Caulker could come on loan to cover for Ilori whilst he is not available.}

17 Jul 2016 18:39:11
It makes more sense to move ilori on to keep from ruining his career further and keep wisdom if we need the cover. If Gomez and sahko injuries aren't that serious then wisdom should move on as well to restart his career.

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17 Jul 2016 20:15:16
Sounds like a bad guess.

As Ed002 says, Ilori is going to the olympics so he will be missing during the time that we need cover. By the time he gets back, Sakho and/ or Gomez are both likely to be recovered, so why keep paying his wages if he then drops to 5th or 6th in the pecking order for 2 places?!

Much more sense to keep Wisdom who will be available whilst others aren't, or indeed move them both on and look to Matip/ Lovren starting with Lucas and Brewitt as cover until Gomez and Sakho are recovered. At best we're going to have around 50 competitive games this season, so why keep a bloated squad?

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17 Jul 2016 20:54:55
Ed002, can't see caulker coming in as we're we covered for centre forwards😂😂😂😘😂.

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17 Jul 2016 20:54:55
Ed002, can't see caulker coming in as we're we covered for centre forwards😂😂😂😘😂.

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17 Jul 2016 23:24:52
Ilori is the messiah.

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17 Jul 2016 22:54:59
Awkward situation. I'd prefer we didn't splash the cash on a new cb. Let the youngsters have a chance.

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18 Jul 2016 00:37:35
Donal365. You say a reliable source. If only I believed you had one. I fear you're throwing something out there to get comments.

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18 Jul 2016 12:51:46
Why assume that keeping him for the time being is to play him? If he is going to the Olympics, as we saw with Joe Allen at Euros, it could raise his value. Why sell cheap now when worst case likely is his value stays as is and best case we can squeeze and extra million or two out of the deal. In terms of buying or loaning a short term replacement, why do that when we have guys already inside the camp who are nearer being up to speed with what Klopp wants than someone from outside. If it is for 4th choice then let's just keep what we have for now.

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17 Jul 2016 12:37:19
Morning Ed002

I read this morning that Zielinski's agent Bartolomes Bolek has come out and made a statement that the player has now made up his mind in regards to where he would like to play his football next season. but said it was a secret (? )

I did a search to see if anybody else had posted this and you have already answered it but could not find anything, and was hoping you may be able to give his secret away?

AC Milan or Liverpool?

Thanks in advance Ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - THe player wants to move to Liverpool but Liverpool don't want to pay the asking price for him - so moving to Liverpool is not an option right now. Udinese have spoken and negoiated with Napoli and with Milan- they have no intention of negotiating with Liverpool who already know the asking price. Zielinski is being pressed by Milan who want an answer before they turn to one of their two options.}

17 Jul 2016 12:54:15
Thanks for the reply ED002

It sounds like a move to Liverpool is dead in the water judging by the sound of what Udinese must think of the likes of Ian Ayre et al and the tapping up saga.

It certainly doesn't do much for the clubs kudos and reputation for any future business that is to be conducted around Europe.

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{Ed002's Note - It makes it difficult - but if clubs are going to do it they then should not messa round over smallish amounts of money.}

17 Jul 2016 13:22:08
I've been saying this for a while now regarding this deal. Tapping him up has poisoned the well and clearly, Udinese want nothing to do with us anymore except stick us for every penny we have which we won't stand for either. Why can't we just take a hint? Walk away!

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17 Jul 2016 16:42:45
Ludicrous behavior by Liverpool on this deal.

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17 Jul 2016 20:28:58
If we wanted the player enough for Klopp to speak to him wrongly and the kid wants to move to us so badly why can't we just fork up a bit more money and get this done. Either that or state we have no intention of paying more and the lad can forget about moving to us and get on with his career.

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17 Jul 2016 22:51:43
because udinese don't want anything to do with us, therefore it makes it virtually impossible for us to get this deal complete, that's why Napoli and now milan are in the driving seat, let's learn our lesson from this and move on.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool know what they have to do. And have done for weeks.}

18 Jul 2016 05:56:26
We've behaved appalling with regards to this particular transfer, it is very disappointing to see.

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