Liverpool Rumours Archive October 16 2012

 

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16 Oct 2012 14:40:53
So alot of gossip about Darren Bent and Paul Lambert not getting on. Looks like Villa might want shot of him in January.

Two questions eds:

Do you think he is a realistic target for us?

Would it be all cash, or do you think we could offload one/some of the "high-paid low-played" players. Like Cole, Downing, Hendo, or even big Andy?

Cheers

BarriTheHat {Ed002's Note - I think the speculation is coming because he might be available. I will see if we can find something out.}


Why would we want him; he's got no class whatsoever

Shushyboy


Darren Bent is just like an older version of Andy Carroll but without the great left foot. I really don't see him being a BR style player.

Bob


Strong rumours in London about a double swoop for Lennon and Walcott with Walcott to play as striker? bent may go to qpr


16 Oct 2012 18:45:43
If we sign D. Bent we need the right strike partner for him, I know that strictly we only play 1 up top but I don't think Beachballs need entering on the official team-sheet.

Ed's do we have the clout to sign the right inflatible beach toy to play as a foil for Darren? possibly on loan?


Henderson must stay they won't have downing back and big andy may stay at west ham or be recalled. Bent is sh!t anyway


BR will almost always buy players you dont know or weren t expecting so most player speculation on is totally useless forget all the usual maybe s
avoorochie


17 Oct 2012 01:43:45
it would be great if we can swap Downing for him
both of them are "old" and I can imagine we have similar salary... :>


I don't understand why henderson is being talked about being shopped around! absolute joke. He is 22 captain of under 21's and I think a good player, Dalglish is just an person and played him on the wing. If we let him go I think will really come back to bite us. By all means get rid of Carroll and downing, Carroll won't work here and downing has to be one of the worst transfer deals in a very long time he is shocking


No more villa dross please


Please not Bent - he's awful, past his best (which wasn't very good to begin with) and doesn't settle anywhere. Not what we need and not what we want.


 

 

16 Oct 2012 14:50:54
Ed, In regard to Alexis Sanchez. Apparently we are looking into the possibility of a loan deal in January. A journalist friend of mine based in South East America told me that he thinks FSG will allow a substantial amount of spending next Summer to sign a couple of "Young Marquee players".


16 Oct 2012 18:34:05
We have to be careful with this philosophy, I love having big names at the club but we can't just become a shop window or launch pad, how gutted will we all be if Sahin is a success, lifts us to a solid 5/6th and then says Güle güle to join PSG or Inter or similar.

It wouldn't be too bad this winter but I'd hope by next summer we don't consider loan deals coming in, if you want to be a red, then Be A Red.


I do like Sanchez quick skilful & intelligent,loan with an option to buy would be good,I like the way we are bringing the young players through & if you are going to have a marquee signing,hopefully they can be of this quality,
Paisley's genius


What's all this talk of 'Marquee Signings'?

We don't need marquee signings, just the right signings and if most were Hyypia/Arbeloa type signings, then all the better.


Yeah sure Barca will loan out one of there 1st team players to a team with no champions league. Barca wouldnt be interested, sanchez wouldnt be interested, we wouldnt bpther trying


 

 

16 Oct 2012 09:13:18
Don't know how true this is but a mate of mine who works at the Academy says Alonso is going to re-sign for free when his contract expires at Madrid.

Ed's/Macca - Have you heard anything of this? Alonso, Allen and Lucas in Midfield would be very impressive with Gerrard pushed further forward.

Jon LFC


We're certainly desperate for a midfielder right now - we only have Shelvey, Gerrard, Allen, Hendo, Lucas, Cole, etc {Ed063's Note - You forgot Sahin}


Ed, he did say etc!

I would love him to, but does he really fit in with our owners way of thinking, i.e. age?

Keith {Ed063's Note - Fair point}


Just accept that alonso is not coming back, he'll more than likely end his career in spain.


With Gerrard retired to the bench


It annoys me when people say our transfer strategy is about age.. It is not, we will not pay big transfer fees for old players.. does not mean we won't get a quality older player in on a free transfer (i.e bellamy last year). We also won't give old players long term high value contracts.. it is just damn logical. Not saying Alonso is coming, but if he was available on a free then his age wouldn't stop it...


Would love it if true quality player and speed was not to important part if his game could be playing at top level till 36


Won't happen mate. Alonso won't come back and Lucas is injury prone


Lucas isn't injury prone. He has been unlucky with the last two. Gerrard has been injured more than Lucas


The post about not needed speed has piqued my curiosity, is there anywhere we can find stats for how much ground our midfielders have covered each game, I remember Sissoko was a bit of a legend for nearly always running more than 10 miles, wondering what Allen and Lucas cover in that position and what Sahin, Shelvey and Gerrard have been covering in front of them.


Why do people persist with this b.s?? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh


Its a possibility but nothing would be anywhere near finalised at this stage of the season.

whats interesting is, if alonso signs a new contract then sahin could be deemed suprlus to requirements.

if they decide to take sahin back after his spell at anfield and decide not to renew alonso's contract then surely, if liverpool were interested then xabi would consider a move back to lfc.

sahin did say in his first interview that xabi is still in love with liverpool


He always said he would come back. But timing, situation etc must be right for both him and us. He may not be what Rodgers wants. I'm guessing he'll want a CL with Madrid before he goes anywhere.


Id rather have Torres back
R2TB


Those that agreed with this post have done so because they would love Alonso back, not because the rumour has any substance what so ever! He wouldnt be the same figure in this new set up plus he is 5-6 years older!


 

 

16 Oct 2012 02:50:15
Hi guys! Was just watching some highlights of Liverpool from 2004-2007 and I must say are team now is just as good as then! the only difference was Gerard Alonso and Torres!
Gerard was the best player in the world back then as was Torres the best striker, an we all know how good Alonso was!

Comparing the 2 teams
Reina-no change
Arbeloa-Johnson
Skrtel-no change
Carragher-Agger
Aurelio-enrique

Macharano-Lucas
Alonso-Allan
Gerrard-no change

Kuyt-suso
Torres-Suarez
Babel-sterling

In my eyes Johnson is better than arbeloa, Agger is better than carragher, enrique is better than aurelio.
Midfield: Lucas just as good as macharano was, Allan can be just as good if not better than Alonso.
Upfront:Suarez just as good as Torres, suso and sterling next year will be way better players than kuyt and babel!

So really all we need is to find a top quality player to replace gerrard... And find a striker who can have the impact Torres had Easyer said then done I know but Gerard came from the academy and Torres only cost 18mill an wasn't really a big name player when we bort him...

Sorry about the long post but I just want are fans to have faith in the boys! We have a good team give Rodgers time it took Benitez 3 years to make us anything good! Things are looking up just have patience!
YNWA

Please post eds'


It's a good way of looking at things although I would disagree Enrique is better than aurelio was it was injuries that scuppered his time with us, hopefully we do find that goal scorer whether its in January with a new signing or someone from the academy only time will tell, like ed002 says there is certainly interest in hooper right now.

Square tomato


Lets be honest mate its not true ok first of all we do understand that they season when they all hit their peak was our most tremendous season it was a season where reina was one of the best gks aurellio was amazing caragher was in superb form for club and country Mascherano was being touted as the best anchor man in the world gerrard was by far better than xavi and Iniesta and torres was more deadly than rooney but lets face it reina is not that good of a keeper any more caragher is no longer playing for country and that caragher of old was better than skrtel and agger lucas is to injury prone and has been unable to step into mascheranos shoes allen is not yet half the player alonso is you just cant compare the two of them gerard is just not as good as before kuyt was a maestro and e cannot compare an 18 year old suso to the kuyt of three years ago suarez is simply not getting half the goals torres was getting 2 or 3 years ago and sterling is probably jus tabout right so they way you have to look at it is that its incomparable that team was better and until this players heat that peak or new players arrive we just cannot be compared to benitez 2nd place champions league fa cup past seasons


Unfortunately for us the standard of the league has increased considerably in the past five years especially. With the money invested in City, and the continuous improvement in teams like Tottenham, Newcastle & Everton it has made life harder for ourselves.

At the time of 2008 we had the best striker in the world in Torres as well as the leagues best midfield (Masch, Alonso, Gerrard).

Reina is no where near the form he was in during those years which is worrying. But I do agree, we must keep the faith.

Suarez whilst fantastic will never be a prolific goal scorer in England. He is a scorer of fantastic goals, not a fantastic goal scorer and until we sign someone who is the latter we will continue to struggle.


I agree with some of it and it's a good post
But a midfield of mascharano Alonso and gerrard will be extremely hard to compare with those guys including a unstoppable Torres! But we have a good balance of a team right now Lucas was fantastic befor his injury and if he gets back fit and fighting he could compare with mascharno... But the Gerard Torres strike force we had is far stronger than wat we have now! Yes if we can find a top goal scorer along with Suarez we would be a force! But it costs money that it doesn't seem like we have!

YNWA


Enrique is never better than aurelio (injuries aside).


Agger is not better than Carra in his prime

Maybe you are not old enough but Carra and Sami were an outstanding CB partnership


Aurelio was far better than Enrique is at the mo. Also Carragher around istanbul time was the best defender in England.

Mighty reds {Ed063's Note - Agger is at present in the top 5 defenders in the world though}


Torres on his day was far better at scoring than suarez. Thats what were desperate for, goals. {Ed063's Note - Torres was a better striker full stop. Now he's rubbish though}


Suarez Torres big difference....Torres was a goalscorer


This comparison doesn't carry much sense..
All the players back then were much much better than what they are in current form or the counter parts now..except probably Arbeloa-Johnson all in the First 11 were much better then.. all world class or potentially world class players hitting peak form and playing under a world class manager probably the best tactical manager in the world..Plus we had young and experienced players like riera , lucas
skrtel,keane in the bench..
allen-alonso,suso-kuyt (4 yrs back),carra was top class then , enrique better than aurelio..give me a break ..haha


Aurelio wasn't our first choice left back, does no one remember Riise?

Red Raw


Mate you can't compare. Different managers with different tactics. Benitez is one of the best manager when comes to tactics he knows how to win games just look how many trophys he has won as manager. Where Rodgers is good manager but still learning how to manage liverpool. He doesn't know how to find results or doesn't want to change tactics when they don't work in games even barcelona don't play rigid 4-3-3 he needs to be clever rather then predictable. Time will say


Agger not better than carragher? Really? Even in his prime carra has never been a better player than Agger - but I admit what he lacks in ability he gains in heart! But heavens no was he ever better than Agger !


I love allen... but u cant compare him and Alonso yet, thats plain silly. the difference in effectiveness and the ability to pass is crazy. when was the last time u watched a real madrid match? don't get me wrong.. i wish he was that good, and i hope he will be!


Good look at the squad but comparisons are difficult. Gerrard plays a different role now. He was often utilized on the right in that time, with Lucas, Mascherano and Alonso being in the centre.
Also you fail to appreciate just how much the rest of the league have improved. City have appeared sinse then. The promoted teams used to be also rans, now they can compete. The mid table teams that were beaten before they were on the pitch are now well organised and play to their strengths.
So all in all it isnt that our team is worse, we are as good as we were, its just that the other 19 teams in the league have improved whilst we stood still.

Anfield Andy


Sorry I think you're not familiar with something called age. Yes we have Reina now as we did then, but the Reina now is nowhere near the class of what he was. Same applies for Gerrard. Now ignoring that, let's look at the others...

Arbeloa - Johnson: I'm a big fan of Glen but let's be honest, Arbeloa was a far better defender. He was fantastic in a tackle and positionally is one of the best in the world. He continues to prove this by showing he is a mainstay in the Real Madrid team.

Carragher - Agger: I agree Agger is the better player, but let's not forget that Carragher was in his peak back then and was immense. Add to this, Agger is simply incapable of staying fit.

Mascherano - Lucas: Lucas has improved a great deal and is a quality player, but I believe many fans like to now believe that Mascherano was not as good a player as he really is. Defensively Mascherano was a monster in the middle of the park, he knew how to dominate and control that midfield. He swept up so much allowing for Stevie and Alonso to do the business going forward.

Alonso - Allen: Again I really like the looks of Allen. But he is not in the same class as Alonso nor do i expect him to be. Allen can keep it neat and tidy, but his passing range isn't in the same level as Alonso's. Alonso continued to split defences every game and controlled the middle all the time. I'm yet to see that from Allen.

Kuyt - Suso: I was never a big fan of Kuyt but I give him credit, he knew how to get in the right positions and worked very hard for the team. Suso is very young and will be a top player but give him time to settle first. he's only played TWO games.

Saurez - Torres: Please. This is the worst. Torres at Liverpool was the best striker in the world. Saurez is great with his tricks and his deep lying play but as a finisher, no comparison. Torres had strength, pace, skill, movement and finishing. Don't let the fact Torres left us, blind you of his quality at Liverpool.

I do believe our future is bright under Rodgers. He's given youngsters a chance and in the group Coates, Wisdom, Robinson, Allen, Henderson (yes i think he will be good in time), Jonjo, Suso, Sterling, Yesil and perhaps Morgan, i believe we will have a very good team in the future and will be challenging top 4.

However it is not as good as our title challenging team. That is the best team we've had since 1990 and to reach that level again will take time.

Rey


In reply to the Carragher-Hypiia partnership, as far as I can remember he played at right back then as Henchoz was at CB


That isn't team mate. And Allen is nowhere near Alonso. Torres was a clinical finisher and Suarez isn't


Lucas is nowhere near Mascherano quality


Re. Carragher/Hyypiä/Henchoz - When Henchoz left, Carra took up his role in the middle. And was at least as good.


Who i think is better
Johnson
Agger (remembering that agger was ahead of carragher when he was fit anyway)
Aurelio better than enrique

Lucas in the current set up
Alonso better than allen and always will be

Kuyt only for 2 more seasons then suso will be a 30m player
Suarez much more a team player and 90% more creative
sterling his potential in frightening


Arbeloa was well underated at least as good as johnson, same with aurelio apart from injuries, alonso is better than allen dictaded play for years, and gerrards older now.

Lil Red


You guys are misunderstanding wat I said I'm trying to get are fans upbeat that our current team isn't a mid table team...

I said gerrard Alonso and Torres was the difference back then I also said that bringing in 2 top quality players to replace Gerard and Torres is needed to make us a force again!


Although I see what your getting at,but other teams improve their squads every season ,while Liverpool took seasons to replace Alonso - With Allan


The players are not the difference. The difference is the tactical ability of the manager- rogers has no tactics and plays games to his "style" of play, where as Benitez changed his tactics to beat the opposition the only other manager in the world as tactically good as Benitez is mouriniho!


The problem with us, is that we lack AMBITION IN ONLY 1 DEPARTMENT. Thats Transfer business. I'll be honest with you all, with Rafa Benitez we have a unique type of coach. What i mean is that he needn't need damn scouts to do his searching for talents. He could spot them by himself. He craved so much for money. He Antagonizes completely what FSG are trying to do interms of flow of money. Benitez's transfer tactic was BUY, BUY and BUY. Hell he bought more players than the total number of graduates from LFC's academy!, but when he hit the jackpot, he created a world class team. Im sure IF Benitez had Arabian money, we would be champs atleast 2 times since 2005. What we need is a manager who is a hybrid of Rafa and Rodgers. Young(Rodgers), gives youth a chance and maintains balance between "star"players and youth as well as between "old" players and "young" players(Rodgers), master tactician(Benitez), knows his way round transfers and talent spotting(Benitez). Now that is being absurd but it is the truth. If we had someone like that at the helm and the type of owners who put their money where their mouth is, we are a force to be reckoned with. Regarding the type of manager, i think the closest to that would be Jurgen Klopp as he is still fairly "young" and has all the attributes Rafa has...
Sorry for the long post but its what i feel..


Allen is not as good as Alonso so please don't put them in the same sentence you fool!! Go back and watch alonso he is in a different class to Allen


Mate Benitez was the difference he had lots of tactics and used different tactics to win games where Rodgers footy is based on style and playing same fomation(4-3-3) which makes him predictable {Ed063's Note - i don't know why everyone goes on about how Rafa was a 'master tactician'. We were 7 points clear at christmas and he blew it so he wasn't that good.}


Allen has yet to reach his peak, we've already seen the best of Alonso. Let's see what happens over next few years. I have a very good feeling about Allen!


There are several problems with Liverpool that I can see. Some has everything to do with the club and some is because of other clubs. As much as the comparisons here make some sense, but Liverpool needs to be on par if not better than our rivals in terms of getting in the right/good players. However, that is not possible without money these days. Being out of the Champions League is no help either as its one of the reasons why some top players opt to join other teams instead of us. So, we might be able to take small steps by signing some potentially good players, but our rivals are splashing out on quality signings. We take a small step, they take a giant leap ahead of us.

However, in the league, sometimes smaller teams beat the bigger ones and cause upsets. So, its down to us to do what we can to make the most of the players that we have. What we have are a good bunch of players and on their day, they can destroy good teams too. But the problem is consistency and the ability to score. Its ok to lose to MU or Chelsea because those games are sometimes 50-50. But to lose to lesser clubs or draw is the main problem.

We definately need time and money to build a team to work with BR's philosophy. I think if we're given that, it would work...maybe not be top again but among the top teams. YNWA


Tell u what just wish we could of paired Torres and Suarez together now that would be frightening!! Couldn't think of a better pair shame kennyvcouldnt hold onto him for season or two


Good post however its not that we are or could be as good as past LFC teams, the greatest reason for us not being able to compete in the CL or fight for the PL is that other sides have caught up and improved. All across Europe not just in the PL its no longer the top 2 but top 4 or 6 look at the PL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga etc ....We have to accept that to win the PL again will take exceptional luck, vast funding, consistency and above all time


Johnson is one of the worst defenders in the world atm, IMHO. He can barely tackle, he's always out of position (before Rodgers) and half the time looks like he doesn't want to be there. Stick him on the wing and I'm sure he'd be world class, but having a defender who cannot defend is suicide. One of the biggest mistakes we ever made was selling Arbeloa, I don't think he ever got the credit he deserves.


Actually i think it took a lot less than 3 years for rafa to turn us back. do the words milan, istanbul and 2005 not mean anything to you....


Thing is mate Rafa never won anything with his own team the players that won the 5th europeon cup was holliers team


You were watching our sides from 2004-2007, yet are talking about players like Torres and Babel who didn't join until summer 2007, and also Skrtel, who didn't join until January 2008!


 

 

16 Oct 2012 02:39:37
carroll did very well in the game for west ham. what now for him at liverpool?? borini is a waste of atelent and i dont think rodgers is the coah for liverpool. also the owners are not the correct people aswell because they dont have the money. if they had the money in kd as manger he would of bought better players and also to increase the stadium by 15,000 is a joke. we should atleast increase by 30,000


You are an absolute plonker talking total tripe!!
get your wallet out and fund the team...Joker...
and by the way I love KD but he blew 100 million pound on rubbish...
Ozdave.


What utter tripe


And the point of this post is ?


Do you want the pay the extra 150 million pounds to build it :)


Im sure you are the kind of spoilt rat who cried at xmas because their new bike was the wrong colour. Why not sod off and support city!


Ye KD could of bought better players with that 100 million, he payed way over the odds for some off them, he must of thought he was playing fifa or somthing


You are a muppet.

Red raj


KK blew 100m for donkeys and no matter what L'pool do these days they always will be plonker like you. piss of and support chavski


Its people like you that give Liverpool fans a bad name ....too big am opinion for someone with such a small brain


Manc whopper


Id love an increase of 30000, but you are living in fantasy land mate! The financial situation in the world never mind the UK is dire. Plus an increase above 60k means we have to start considering and paying for transport links its not just stadia costs! As for Borini being a waste of talent.... he has hardly played yet, and he is out of position. On top of that his movement off the ball has been quality give him a chance! Tommy


Could not agree more. ...with the other posters here ripping you a new one! If not for FSG we would have come under administration, possibly been the new Leeds. If not for Rodgers we would be playing boring football and still not top four because of KDs ridiculous buys. Imagine Rodgers with a cool 100m now...


Are you 5 years old ! Cant think of any other reason to explain your post. Kenny received over 100m to spend in 2 transfer windows and wasted it on useless over priced english players - Downing , Carroll , Jordan H . Sorry but thats the truth. In relation to the stadium, do you eben know if it's possible to increase Anfield by 30K. 15k might just be the max possible.


What a load of rubbish! Carroll no longer has a LFC future..get over it! The owners are decent, they saved this club from administration... they did indeed pump ALOT of money into the club in the first season a bit disappointing they didn't this season but that's the past! Rodgers is the manager to bring LFC forward as a club, you would support him if you are a true fan! They are going extend by 15,000 because 30,000 is not realistically feasible for the Anfield site and will cost considerably more!

YNWA..Bournemouth Red


It's unbelievable, and quite sad, that there are "fans" like you, who disrespect and rip our owners. FSG saved our club from Administration; fact! FSG hired the manager everyone wanted in KK; fact! FSG pumped serious money into our club, first by paying off our debt, and second by giving KK over 100 million for transfers; fact! The fact that KK pissed away 35 million on Carroll, and 20 million on Downing, while also paying over the moon for Henderson, isn't FSG's fault. FSG have a hungry, young manager now who says and does all the right things, and who plays attractive football. The wage bill has been cut, and progress is being made on the stadium. If all of that isn't enough for you, piss off and support City, you muppet!

-Red Socks


There is no way this is a liverpool fan


What's coah?
Hopefully Carroll will be back


I dont think your a Liverpool supporter never mind what you think


True fans are the ones that sticks by the club and believes in it, if you have lost the trust in the club, might as well you start supporting other clubs instead..

-YNWA-


100.000.000 - 50.000.000 (Torres).


You havent got a clue mate


U my friend are a nut case.


I found this post both trivial and hilarious, dont fret this guys I.Q gotta be at least 35


Simpleminded gimboid.


Do you actually watch football and are you even a Liverpool fan kd even though he's a legend spent Way to much money on what can only really be described as crap hendo may aswel be polishing the trophies for the amount of good he's done and Carroll managed to consistently remind everyone why paying £35 mil for him was a stupid decision downing is concistant unfortunately his concistancy is for playing crap


 

 

16 Oct 2012 00:20:11
Hi eds, any truth in reports linking us to Arda Turan and Alexis Sanchez? {Ed063's Note - i highly, highly doubt there is any truth. The pair would cost about 60mil}


Why not by Higuain £33m, Mertens £12m

sell carroll £17m, downing £8m

= £20m net spending

very logical. {Ed063's Note - Because higuains wages would be stupidly high, mertens would cost 20mil as well.}


Also because who would buy Downing and Carroll for that much...? And we don't have £20 million {Ed063's Note - Well West Ham are obliged to pay 18mil for Carroll if they stay up - so they would}


No stop reading


Ed 063, so let me guess, Arda Turan, a play who is good but is just about faster than Dirk Kuyt would cost 20-30M??. Sanchez i can agree as he has been phenominal for Udinese before. Turan was good, but not "phenominal". I'd say 16M tops. I agree with Mertens though. For a winger, he beats even Sanchez in my opinion. Mertens scores goals at an alarming rate. I know its Dutch league and this is La Liga, but it dont make a difference to me. I think from all the names listed above, Mertens is the one we should all out go for. I wish we had also gone for Narsingh before he went to PSV as he is quite good as well. Mertens or Narsingh for me... {Ed063's Note - why the hell are you having a dig at me? I neves said he was phenomenal, schalke asked about him and were quoted 20mil. Sanchez would fetch 40mil. That equals 60mil. You with me now?}


60 million were the hell do u get that from would b very expensive but not 60m first of all san chez would cost abouy 35 m not anymore he doesent play probably allow them to buy bale and thats them making decent profit, and arda turan would not cost bucketloads spanish teams are in financial difficulty this id the league to go fir players from in current climate


 

 

15 Oct 2012 23:40:26
Eds whats all this about Ba's buy out clause being reactivated? Sounds like nonsense to me unless that knee issue is concerning Newcastle so much they want him off their books. You got any info on this?

Cheers. Even outside of transfer window I'm hooked on the sight. Thanks for the hard work.

Jay {Ed063's Note - the 7mil buy out clause remains in his contract - but only for champions league teams}


16 Oct 2012 08:01:40
Why is everybody concerned about his knees when he's presently the highest goal scorer? Scored much more than Carrol and Suarez last season. I'll gladly take him, even for 15m pounds, better than Borini anyway.


No ba. Hooper yes


Spelt Carroll wrong


 

 

 
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