Liverpool Rumours Archive July 16 2017

 

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16 Jul 2017 19:50:21
Hi Eds n Reds

Has a bid been accepted by RBL for Keita. £65.9m being reported. just wondered had any of the Eds or posters seen similar?

atlfc70.

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{Ed025's Note - i know of no acceptance yet mate..

16 Jul 2017 20:02:50
Not sure people are working Sunday evening to get transfers done? Maybe I am wrong?

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16 Jul 2017 20:17:16
Reported where?

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16 Jul 2017 20:18:56
Ok cheers Edo25 for the quick reply

atlfc70.

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{Ed025's Note - no worries mate

16 Jul 2017 20:35:02
Ed025 I know this saga is dragging on a bit to say the least but is it just the way it is or is the selling club being really difficult?

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{Ed025's Note - the problem is barry that leipzig have no need or want to sell the guy mate...simple as that really..

16 Jul 2017 20:42:57
Yet Ed? You little tease you ;-)

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16 Jul 2017 21:23:14
all down to the annoying world of player power nowadys ed isn't it if a player wants to go the contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on.

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{Ed025's Note - very much so bobby mate..

16 Jul 2017 21:55:34
I know Eds don't like talking about money and I don't understand how it works either but if NK has a release clause of 48 million next year why don't we wait till then?

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{Ed025's Note - because you have CL this year ace and if you miss out next season because you did not strengthen he definitely wont come mate..

16 Jul 2017 22:09:05
Hi ed025 do you now think Keita will sign?

I know you think we need a 20 goal striker but I think Mane could well get that many.

All the best.

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{Ed025's Note - in my opinion yes mark, but as i say its just an opinion, mane will get goals but if you had an aguero or someone like that who could finish the copious amount of chances your midfield create i believe you would be genuine title contenders mate..

16 Jul 2017 22:28:41
Thanks for the reply. I agree on Aguero but Klopp wants 6 workers, non stop running. I don't agree with it all the time but he won't change.

Aguero would get 25+ goals in our side but around 2 assists. Firminho will miss plenty but should get 12-15 goals and 10 assists and run around like a scolded cat.

If we don't get Keita klopp might go for Ma Farah.

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16 Jul 2017 23:00:20
Aguero would spend half his time in the treatment room like he does at Citeh.
How dare Klopp wanting players that break out into a run. What is the world coming to?

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16 Jul 2017 22:54:36
Thanks a million Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - your welcome mate..

17 Jul 2017 06:52:02
I think Klopp will want a top goal scorer but right now is it really a priority? We scored enough goals last season to contend but the defence was awful so that's where we need to strengthen. Klopp has usually had a natural goal scorer leading the line - Lucas Barrios, Lewandowski, Aubameyang. If Studge wasn't almost totally broken and had the confidence in his body to get around as much as Bobby does I'm sure he would start more games. We will see this season. Anyway if he doesn't work out I expect Klopp to target a top striker next summer.

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{Ed025's Note - the horse may have bolted by then mate..

17 Jul 2017 06:54:57
Ace, Ed002 explained the clause isn't relevant for us, only German clubs.

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17 Jul 2017 07:49:11
If Klopp had a change of heart and decided this morning that he wanted a top striker, who are our realistic targets right now? - Which horses could we catch before they bolt?

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17 Jul 2017 08:08:23
Thanks Eds 25 and zeddicus.

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{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..

17 Jul 2017 10:04:25
NP Ace.

Markp, unfortunately Mo Farah is an Arsenal fan. I certainly wouldn't be expecting him to tire as the match went on, and we may want to pay to extend our pitch to play to his strengths.

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16 Jul 2017 10:28:33
Eds, hearing this morning that we could sign Amavi from Villa on loan with a view to a permanent transfer next summer, is this a possibility or has interest been dropped? Also, comparing him and Robertson, which do you feel would be the better signing? Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - I can't help about Amavi but Liverpool has been speaking with Hull over Robertson.}

16 Jul 2017 11:30:46
I think a loan with an option to buy for Amavi would be a great idea. He showed how much potential he has when he was fit. A loan would give him a chance to prove that fitness over the course of a season without us having to tie him down to a 4/ 5 year contract.

Robertson is a solid option to have and having Amavi at the club as well would provide competition that they both could thrive on.

I hope this is true.

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16 Jul 2017 11:52:56
Agree with above. I like amavi. Would suit our style IF we can get him fit.

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16 Jul 2017 12:06:30
Im surprised we've been speaking to hull directly.

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16 Jul 2017 12:10:26
Howz Joe doing ST?

What does he feel his role is going to be this season?

Cheers in advance.

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16 Jul 2017 12:19:33
Does make a nice change Square tomato.

As for Amavi. Talented lad, stand out performer for Villa when fit.

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16 Jul 2017 12:20:50
If amavi fails a fitness test to join Sevilla why should we go in for him are we a home for the rejuvenating of players.

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16 Jul 2017 12:28:20
Haha nice one square t made me laugh.

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16 Jul 2017 12:35:50
My mate's a Villa fan and says he was great in his first season but struggled at times last, he feels he's a good player but not so sure his style of player is best suited to the English game.

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16 Jul 2017 13:43:28
Nothing's changed really but It's all a bit tight lipped at the moment all the players basically told to shut up, happy to see solanke there they've been mates for ages, been saying for months about TAA how much klopp likes him and I think he'll take clynes place, sooner or later and yet another new contract backs that up.

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16 Jul 2017 13:53:50
Wouldn't mind that deal happening at all, Amavi is a solid full back.

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16 Jul 2017 20:23:26
one is not sure if Amavi could switch to Liverpool on loan, because Klopp doesn not have a good record of signing players on loan. It is not foreseeable if Moreno did not move away from Anfield.

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16 Jul 2017 20:47:19
Refreshing to see written in that red don't from the eds that the club are speaking to another club about transfers!

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16 Jul 2017 20:48:31
Square tomatoes - kinda not tranfer-related. have you got a sense from Joe about the player's take on our transfer shenanigans?

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16 Jul 2017 21:42:12
Faithinworks, not at all it's all about training and staying fit and creating bonds withing the team, friendship is quite important to klopp, they've got nothing to do with transfers well Joe certainly hasn't anyway!

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17 Jul 2017 05:11:54
cheers ST :)

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16 Jul 2017 07:53:04
Eds is there any truth do you know in the rumours circulating about Sturridge turning down a big offer from China?

And if true does that mean LFC accepted the offer in the first place?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know.}

16 Jul 2017 09:42:08
Not many players will be going china this year. Its a world cup year, hopefully we keep stuge fit so he can fire his way back into that starting 11.

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{Ed002's Note - The Chinese Transfer Window is now closed.}

16 Jul 2017 09:51:56
Considering Klopp does not intend to sign a striker this window, letting Sturridge go would be nothing short of suicidal. He is a top class finisher when fit, and it would not make sense to put the goalscoring burden on a 19 year old Solanke and a 21 year old Origi.

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16 Jul 2017 10:45:53
He's as fragile as china.

Goes to pieces when dropped.

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16 Jul 2017 10:45:56
I personally I hope Mr Kopp does sign another striker in this window. Surely Sturridge has has plenty of time to prove himself and since the great Luis Surez left he has been on borrowed time. Sure he is a class player but how long do we have to wait.?
Having seen young Solanke in two preseason friendlies. I think this young boy has a lot of promise but couldn't run the line quiet yet.
We need a solid centre back and a holding midfielder and a world class striker. Love this site.

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16 Jul 2017 13:39:05
It's all Chinese Whispers!

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16 Jul 2017 00:15:27
Hey Eds, Is it true, that fenerbache are interested in Origi?
Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know of an approach but they are looking for a striker and they have already spoken to Chelsea about one.}

16 Jul 2017 00:43:11
Would be a good move for all parties. We have Firmino, Sturridge and Solanke all fighting over 1 position. Plus Ings to return who should probably head out on loan.

I think for Origi's career he needs to consider a new challenge as he will struggle for game time; Unless Klopp has lied to Solanke about getting chances, which wouldn't be anything new.

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16 Jul 2017 03:21:16
Ive a real feeling that we would regret sellng Origi in the long-term.

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16 Jul 2017 03:44:42
You can't put solanke before origi surely. Although he was poor at times he had his moments. I expect origi to step up a level next season, dunno, just a hunch. Ultimately solanke will probably be the better player but not on origis level yet.

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16 Jul 2017 03:59:46
MK unless we buy another (expensive) striker there is no way Origi should leave. Do you honestly believe Firminho, Sturridge and Solanke are enough for a title winning team? And why start criticising Klopp over such a simple question?

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16 Jul 2017 04:22:21
We also have ings. Regardless of the quality of the strikers we have we are overstocked. We have 5 looking for 1 spot. I do think if we sold origi we may live to regret it but we can't just keep hold of him and hope he suddenly becomes a world beater, because he won't. Not whilst he is 3rd choice playing a few games here and there. He has potential but i think he needs to maybe take a loan somewhere to show he will improve.

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16 Jul 2017 04:40:25
If we would sell Origi I would hope it would be for 20m+, with Ings and Sturridge you have 2 strikers who have had 2 bad seasons with injuries if this continues then selling Origi would leave us light. We need our best starting 11 for Champions League and the BIG EPL games. Origi, Ings, Woddburn and Solanke are our starters for EFL / FA Cup games against the likes of Bury or Fleetwood. Origi and Ings should be able to do a job for us against the likes of Huddersfield, Watford or Everton.

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16 Jul 2017 07:44:51
Klopp has used Origi on the left and right of the 3 at times so I can see him being very much a squad player again this season. As much as I like Sturridge it's a massive gamble to start planning for him being fit for the majority of the season. Ings is a non starter for me due to the seriousness of his injuries, I think he will go out on loan or play u23 football. Plenty of games this season and I also believe that Origi is ahead of Solanke in the pecking order. Hopefully we will see some different formations played out especially against the bus parking teams which may see more than 1 striker on the pitch.

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16 Jul 2017 08:04:03
Seem to be a few things being overlooked and assumptions made here;
the same striker won't/ can't play every game up top due to the increased number of games we're playing next season;
2 of our strikers are very injury prone;
Substitutions will be made during games;
We may play 2 up top at times as we did towards the end of last season;
There is a big difference between Klopp lying and changing his mind based on what he sees. You can't make a 'promise' and stick to it if no longer deemed best for the team. The player has to play his part too by maintainIng performance levels and following coach's instruction.

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16 Jul 2017 08:25:54
Ings will be allowed to recover this year and will play next to no games this season.
Solanke is way behind Origi in terms of development and will play U23's. Origi will be needed this season and needs to step up his levels or he could be gone next year otherwise.

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16 Jul 2017 08:44:40
Really, we just got origi and you lot want to sell him off already. Well i remember origi carrying the team for a few weeks a couple of seasons aho and see the huge potential there. He is a good young striker who needs nuturing not throwing on the scrapheap much like you all advocated with karius last season and got your wish.

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16 Jul 2017 08:55:51
IMO if anyone is going it will be Ings out on loan unless he has a fantastic pre season. Only because of the bad injuries the lad needs proper game time. Klopp seems to like Origi and he has had experience of playing in European matches so unless the club are thinking of bringing someone else in Origi won't be leaving because we have a lot of games next season.

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16 Jul 2017 09:35:32
I hope Origi stays.

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16 Jul 2017 09:55:29
I'd keep Origi as a squad player, seem to remember him scoring quite a few times off the bench last season?
If anybody needs a loan for full fitness and match time it would be Ings.

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16 Jul 2017 10:09:06
Well somebody better tell Solanke he is 5th choice and playing in the u23's because that is not what Klopp has been saying. The main reason he left Chelsea was to play more football.

I will agree that Origi is better right now, but that is why he should move. Firmino and Sturridge are going to be the 2 main strikers this season. Solanke will probably play cup games and come off the bench in the league. Mane and Salah can play through the centre as well if needed. Brewster from the academy is also expected to be knocking on the door by Christmas. Ings might spend the whole season in the u23's to recover anyway so where would Solanke fit in that scenario? A few sub appearances in the Mountain Dew Cup or whatever the hell It's called now? Do you people actually want Solanke to be another Markovic/ Ilori/ Texeira? A young player we sign with massive potential but then ruin there careers by having no plan for their development and not giving them a leaf path to the first team? If that is the case we really ought to stop signing teenagers and making them promises. Grujic is already at risk of suffering this fate, especially if we sign Keita. I will be a little bit angry if Klopp does exactly what Rodgers did to young players.

We are well over stocked up front. Origi is not good enough to start, but too good to play in the reserves. It is quite simply selfish of fans to want to hinder Origi's development or have Solanke lied to and his career stagnate. He wants to take the next step, saw no way to do that at Chelsea, so has cone to Liverpool to take that step.

We don't need a new striker unless Origi and Sturridge leave. Solanke has been added though and it is only common sense for one of them to move on to make space for him in the squad. You can't just keep signing people with promises of game time and not sell anyone. That is a recipe for disaster.

It's only an opinion anyway guys, there is no need to get upset.

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{Ed002's Note - Actually guarantees of football were the reasons a number of youngsters have left Chelsea but Solanke went because Chelsea would not meet the requested financial demands.}

16 Jul 2017 10:38:24
Solanke wanted money. I personally can't blame him as he looks a real talent short and long term. Origi shouldn't be sold. seriously guys he is 22 and chips in with some important goals with us. Pretty sure he was challenging Sturridge for his spot last year even when Dan was fit. Klopp can use his versatility to play him on the wings or behind a striker if need be. Can easily see Solanke and Origi playing cup games together. Origi will still get 30 35 games this season (a lot from the bench but still) and he gets better every year we have had him.

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16 Jul 2017 10:35:01
Thanks for the info Ed002. I'm not sure if you've seen it though, but Klopp has been speaking to the press about how Solanke will get chances in the first team this season. To me, whether that is said directly to the player or not, that is a promise of game time which should be honoured by any honourable man.

If that presser was all lies and Solanke is intended for the u23 team, then I feel sorry for Brewster who worked incredibly hard to get there and will be replaced by another teams academy player; but also Solanke who will have read the comments. From what you've just said now though I'm starting to think this was another case of trigger happy Liverpool stockpiling talented young players with no idea how to help them progress.

I can see it now: Summer 2020, 22 year old Solanke joins Reading for just £2m after failing to get a chance at Liverpool 🙄.

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{Ed002's Note - Solanke was told the same.}

16 Jul 2017 11:24:42
Thanks Ed.

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16 Jul 2017 12:09:08
If you look closely at his game, the only real major weakness he has so far is his decision making, it often seems that he doesn't know what he should do where and when.

If you consider his qualities, he's fast, strong, decent at finishing when he gets a chance and he actually has genuine skill on the ball, the type of skill that you rarely see from players. It shows he certainly has confidence which you really shines when he has a run of good form. I once thought Lukaku was just an average one trick pony who would never fulfill his early potential and in a lot of ways, Origi reminds me of him, I believe he just needs thorough coaching to work on his decision making and he could become a really top striker.

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16 Jul 2017 17:23:32
Mk, I have to say I do like some of your posts, but I'm not with you on this.

You say we should make space for Solanke because he needs game time to improve.

That space should be made by getting rid of a young lad who needs game time to improve!

I can't understand that logic? Why Solanke over Origi?

What happens in 2 years or so when we bring in another youngster. do we get rid of Solanke because the new lad needs game time?

As for Klopps promises. I'm sure he tells every new signing that they will get game time if they perform well enough. I would expect any manager to do the same. If they don't perform then they don't play. That isn't always the managers fault. it's generally the players.

Besides. Solanke wasnt promised any regular 1st team footy when the Liverpool spoke to him last Xmas and persuaded him to come to us!

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16 Jul 2017 20:03:39
Everyone needs to remember origi is only 22 years old and has scored some important goals even though his role in the team is unclear at the moment he won't get sold for the simple fact where are you going to find another striker of his age group or quality that won't cost an arm or a leg l.

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16 Jul 2017 22:46:34
I don't know if I'm right in saying this so if I'm wrong feel free to correct me. But I don't think Solanke can play for the u23's because of his age and our academy transfer ban on home grown players? Not sure if I'm right on that, could someone clear this one up? Ed's?

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{Ed002's Note - He can play for the Under 23 side.}

 
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