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14 Oct 2010 23:42:01
"14 Oct 2010 23:07:48
THAANK YOU Blair Mayne YNWA

MY HUNCH IS THAT THE DELAYING TATICS SINCE TUESDAYS HIGH COURT DATE WITH OUTLANDISH £1 BILLION NUMBERS QUOTED HAS BEEN "SMOKE AND MIRRORS" DESIGNED TO GET PEOPLE LOOKING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND BUY HICKS TIME.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS EVENING AND INTO FRIDAY HICKS AND HIS PEOPLE ARE DESPERATELY WORKING ON GETTING THE FUNDS TO RE FINANCE AND THEN IF THEY CAN PAY RBS IT TURNS THE WHOLE SITUATION ON ITS HEAD AGAIN! !

MANY THANKS BLAIR MAYNE, NO ONE WOULD LISTEN AT 7PM

BIG D"

Easy on the capslock mate. As for the theory, many of us have been discussing just that for most of the day. The big question is not whether Hicks is stalling for time, as that's a given, but whether he can actually either gain funding or make it seem like he might and get Henry to twitch and up his offer. The supposed intent of having board members jailed is merely part of that act that includes inflated damages of £1B. Nothing the man does is subtle, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell either will happen. For now, we just have to sit back and hope he can't find the funding, assuming that anyone with an ounce of sanity would see he's a liability and that there's nothing here but bad PR for any lender.

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14 Oct 2010 23:37:37
I thought if Hicks and Gillett wanted to re-finance with different lenders the board of LFC would need to sanction. This was the main reason a club sale was agreed back in April. An Extension was granted as long as they sold the club. Anyone know? {ed's note - only if the club is used as collateral, which is why they still haven't found anyone and are very unlikely to do so. Who would loan them money without something as collateral?}

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14 Oct 2010 23:35:46
I agree with Eds note below. We should give players like Amoo a chance to make the grade, seen him play a few times and he seems like a talented guy with bags of pace and confidence to challenge defenders
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How old is Silva?
He looks a different class from the lads he plays with/ against
brf

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14 Oct 2010 23:27:27
I think TOM & GERRY deserve a farewell gift, a high court ruling stopping them from ever having business dealings in the uk, and a second ruling forbidding them to ever return to the uk!
also do they owe any money to inland revenue?

redsincebirth
Y.N.W.A

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14 Oct 2010 23:24:47
I think Big D and every1 else needs to calm down a little even if h&g get the money the board will block by 3v2v vote h&g can't get rid of the board bcos of the court case this week so they r screwed on that front and the fact nesv have a binding contract with the board also means its in impossible for them to do it this is hicks just wasting time and hoping rbs put us in admin as a final blow but even that will fail the scum had fail im for one looking forward to the future
do u agree ed?? (please post on both! !) {ed's note - the only way round it would be for someone to pay off the debt before the deadline, in full, without using the club and its assets as collateral.}

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14 Oct 2010 23:20:59
Ed of a percentage how far are we to new owners and can it go pear shaped like the Neville sisters ugly heads {ed's note - I would say we are at least 85% of the way there, and yes it can still go pear shaped but I still expect us to end up in the hands of NESV.}

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14 Oct 2010 23:18:28
"So if Hicks does re-finance, he then sacks the board, appoints a new one and cancels the NESV takeover. But the NESV deal is binding. Wouldn't they then sue H&G for the sorts of figure being thrown around in court in texas. £1B perhaps?"
Exactly right, Hicks pays back £200M plus to RBS then gets sued big time for breaking a binding agreement (if JH is to be believed. .) Not great business for a lender to support Hicks, i don't think. .

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14 Oct 2010 23:14:55
THAANK YOU Blair Mayne YNWA

MY HUNCH IS THAT THE DELAYING TATICS SINCE TUESDAYS HIGH COURT DATE WITH OUTLANDISH £1 BILLION NUMBERS QUOTED HAS BEEN "SMOKE AND MIRRORS" DESIGNED TO GET PEOPLE LOOKING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND BUY HICKS TIME.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS EVENING AND INTO FRIDAY HICKS AND HIS PEOPLE ARE DESPERATELY WORKING ON GETTING THE FUNDS TO RE FINANCE AND THEN IF THEY CAN PAY RBS IT TURNS THE WHOLE SITUATION ON ITS HEAD AGAIN! !

MANY THANKS BLAIR MAYNE, NO ONE WOULD LISTEN AT 7PM

BIG D

*Seriously mate caps lock turn it off, its f*cking annoying.

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14 Oct 2010 23:07:48
THAANK YOU Blair Mayne YNWA

MY HUNCH IS THAT THE DELAYING TATICS SINCE TUESDAYS HIGH COURT DATE WITH OUTLANDISH £1 BILLION NUMBERS QUOTED HAS BEEN "SMOKE AND MIRRORS" DESIGNED TO GET PEOPLE LOOKING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND BUY HICKS TIME.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS EVENING AND INTO FRIDAY HICKS AND HIS PEOPLE ARE DESPERATELY WORKING ON GETTING THE FUNDS TO RE FINANCE AND THEN IF THEY CAN PAY RBS IT TURNS THE WHOLE SITUATION ON ITS HEAD AGAIN! ! !

MANY THANKS BLAIR MAYNE, NO ONE WOULD LISTEN AT 7PM

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 22:59:50
If all us fans club together, can we sue hicks and gillett for 65 billion pounds?? ?

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14 Oct 2010 22:53:24
Ed, sorry for being a pest this late but, is there any chance of Hicks somehow winning in Dallas tomorrow? If so what will this do to the sale process? Also how are they trying to accuse MB and co of Contempt of court when by tomorrow they may have commited 2 acts themselves! Please clear this up ed and thanks.

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14 Oct 2010 22:48:31
Liverpool to sign micheal chopra according to sky sports news on a free

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14 Oct 2010 22:40:20
It's a bit strange for George Gillett to turn up in London this evening. He could be planning to sign over his shares. Or he could be spending a couple of days down there before he heads up to Goodison for the derby.

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14 Oct 2010 22:39:53
Why is everyone going on about possible f*ck up's at this stage of the game? Does anyone ever take the time out to read the clubs Official Statements?

Here is the latest. .

Liverpool Football Club have tonight issued a statement following today's court hearing in London:

The Independent Directors of Liverpool Football Club are delighted with the verdict of Mr. Justice Floyd in the High Court this afternoon which now requires Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett to withdraw their Texas Restraining Order by 4pm tomorrow.

We are glad to have taken another important step towards completing the sale process.

After reading the above can anybody please explain to me why this statement means anything other than the deal with NESV is done? KEEP THE FAITH, READ BETWEEN THE LINES AND IGNORE THE RUMOUR AND SPECULATION REDMEN. .THE REST IS PURE JOURNALISM!

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14 Oct 2010 22:36:21
14 Oct 2010 18:51:56
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE COURT CASE IS GOING ON IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW AND IT CONTAINS ALL THE PAPERWORK! HONESTLY

PREPARE FOR MORE FIREWORKS

HICKS IS GOING TO COURT AS WE SPEAK TO TRY TO "JAIL" OUR 3 LIVERPOOL BOARD MEMBERS. . HONESTLY

YOUVE HEARD IT HERE FIRST BEFORE SKY SPORTS NEWS BREAKS IT! !

BIG D
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The above was 1st reported at 18:51

Now Reuters have just reported the same thing 10 mins ago.

So to whoever posted it keep us updated as like they say "you seem to know your sh*t"

Blair Mayne YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 22:24:18
Id suggest the American Judge probably isn't to keen to have been involved in this charade and will throw them out of his court tomorrow morning, apparently H&G neglected to tell him that they had lost the court case in the UK.

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14 Oct 2010 22:19:12
Harry Harris has written a piece claiming NESV are already owners and that a secret vote was held last night - take that as you will, but don't spill too much salt. ;)

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14 Oct 2010 22:10:19
So if Hicks does re-finance, he then sacks the board, appoints a new one and cancels the NESV takeover. But the NESV deal is binding. Wouldn't they then sue H&G for the sorts of figure being thrown around in court in texas. £1B perhaps?

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14 Oct 2010 22:08:29
I know hicks' lawyer has to appear confident, but he has me convinced that they might have an ace up their sleeve. "aggressivlly negotiating with RBS" (odd choice of words). has he got the money, will he get the money. oh well its friday tommorow, straight to the pub to celebrate or drowned my sorrows lol.
ed do you think there's going to be another twist tomorrow, or is it going to be book closed

always a red {ed's note - I really don't know mate, I was confident earlier, but I am starting to worry now!}

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14 Oct 2010 22:04:45
Im abit stupid with all this law stuff but one question

1 if hicks comes up with the money do rbs have to take it from him?

2 has hicks broken the terms of his refinancing agreement with the rbs when try to sack purslow and ayres?

tazz YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 21:59:35
14 Oct 2010 21:46:39
Hey Ed Is Their Any chance Hicks As Got a Plan To Get The Money To Pay RBS And Thats Why He Is Stalling For Time, Is This Possible? {ed's note - it is possible and there are rumours of people interested in lending him the money. Though why anyone would be stupid enough to complete such a high risk loan I fail to understand.}

ITS OBVIOUS HE IS, ITS HERE IN THE QUOTES FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE TO THE JUDGE A MATTER OF HOURS AGO BEFORE THEY LEFT THE COURT ROOM. . . . . . . . . . .

HES FOUND THE MONEY! ! ! ! ! !

* might want to press caps lock mate, its third from bottom on the far left.

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14 Oct 2010 21:54:49
One thing today has taught me - the world of corporate law is too much for my brain. I'm just hoping that a judge looking for media exposure prior to an election doesn't buy Hicks enough time to find a mug willing to lend him the money he needs. If the High Court can knock out a decision in reasonable time why does a District judge need another day when the holes in Hicks' statement have been widely publicized and need little time to verify/ disregard.

One thing's for sure, whoever wins is going to get sued, be it H&G or NESV. Ah the joys of a litigious society!

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14 Oct 2010 21:52:05
Re ed's note - it is possible and there are rumours of people interested in lending him the money. Though why anyone would be stupid enough to complete such a high risk loan I fail to

NESV have a binding agreement with the legally constituted board of LFC. Repayment of the loan is no longer an issue.

The court in Texas granted the injunction without any of the relevant documantation. It is a key change in stance that they have brought te decision forward to ensure compliaace with theUK courts - originally it was to be heard on the 28th

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14 Oct 2010 21:47:26
Ed: Is it still possible for Hicks to re-finance? He knows that if things go wrong in court tomorrow, he is out of options, and LFC is gone. He is undoubtedly trying to find the cash at this minute, but I wonder if, given the fact that Hicks has broken his agreements with RBS, are they obliged to continue to deal with him, especially as they have a fully sanctioned alternative deal with NESV? (Fully sanctioned according to the UK courts, that is.) {ed's note - if RBS receive full repayment in advance of their deadline, then there is nothing they can do to control the sale or otherwise.}

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14 Oct 2010 21:46:39
Hey Ed Is Their Any chance Hicks As Got a Plan To Get The Money To Pay RBS And Thats Why He Is Stalling For Time, Is This Possible?? {ed's note - it is possible and there are rumours of people interested in lending him the money. Though why anyone would be stupid enough to complete such a high risk loan I fail to understand.}

ITS OBVIOUS HE IS, ITS HERE IN THE QUOTES FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE TO THE JUDGE A MATTER OF HOURS AGO BEFORE THEY LEFT THE COURT ROOM. . . . . . . . . . .

HES FOUND THE MONEY! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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14 Oct 2010 21:44:57
Any one know if it is televised, the yanks love all that?
13.00 hrs gmt.

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14 Oct 2010 21:43:41
GOOGLE THIS

THIS IS VERY WORRYING
THERE PEOPLE ARE VERY OPEN THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO RE FINANCE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

blogs.dallasobserver.com/ unfairpark/ 2010/ 10/ at_this_very_moment_in_a_downt.php

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 21:42:01
If time comes tomorrow and money not paid back, can RBS then place the club in admin and carry on and complete deal with NESV. Would this break and court bindings? I for one at this stage would take a 9 point deduction if it guaranteed getting rid of these parasites. Would appreciate your comments Ed. {ed's note - they can, but if the injunction hasn't been lifted it would be seen as bad form and insulting towards America.}

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14 Oct 2010 21:41:44
Please stop worrying about the sale failing

My understanding is that. .
H&G Failed to disclose that they were planning an injunction to the UK court, which they must have started organising before the appearance in the UK court on weds. Which along with the fact US courts have no jurisdiction in UK is why the judge considers it contempt and if H&G do not withdraw the injunction they could be charged with contempt and wasting the courts time and could even face prison (that i would love to happen)

I don't beleive for one moment that RBS will place LFC in administration if the deadline was to pass. . (It suits Broughton and RBS to use the administration argument as a way to force the issue and stop H&G pissing about any longer) RBS would simply become the majority shareholder and then sell to NESV, since a 9 point reduction would not help the resale value of the club or that fact that they could under administration only recieve 20p in each pound. . . does not make any sense

The new owners will be NESV by 4pm friday. . happy days although im still nervous about yet more yank owners. But I now have complete faith in Broughton and beleive he really does have the best interests of the club and that NESV won't repeat the same mistakes H&G made

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14 Oct 2010 21:41:10
One more option could be Lim or Mill financing Hicks to pay off RBS and with an agreement to buy shares at a later date. Dangerous business and unlikely, but it depends on how much they want to buy. It might be a case of waiting till after the exclusivity clause with Nesv is over and of course as soon as RBS are paid off board can be restructured and shares can be sold.

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14 Oct 2010 21:40:21
THESE PARASITES ARE DELAYING FOR A REASON

AFTER THE BELOW QUOTES IN COURT BELOW ITS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THEY ARE WORKING TO REFINANCE BEFORE THE AFTERNOON DEADLINE HERE IN LONDON

IF THEY CAN PROVE THEY HAVE THE FUNDS TO PAY BACK RBS THE AMERICAN COURT WILL NOT LIFT ANYTHING

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14 Oct 2010 21:38:07
Ed's note - I believe the decision is expected to be around 8am Dallas time, giving two hours to H&G to sort things out. Though I believe Gillett is in the country to set in motion the transfer of his shares. If anyone knows different I would love them to tell me for sure why he is in the country.}
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You believe Gillett's in the UK ed? If so transfer his shares to who?

Blair Mayne YNWA {ed's note - it has been reported he is in the UK, and I have been told he is as well. I am being told he has already thrown in the towel and is ready to hand over his shares to NESV.}

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14 Oct 2010 21:37:34
Hey Ed Is Their Any chance Hicks As Got a Plan To Get The Money To Pay RBS And Thats Why He Is Stalling For Time, Is This Possible? ? {ed's note - it is possible and there are rumours of people interested in lending him the money. Though why anyone would be stupid enough to complete such a high risk loan I fail to understand.}

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14 Oct 2010 21:36:18
Great job by all the ed's, especially over the past few weeks. are liverpool fc being represented tommorow or is it just RBS and NESV. and still unsure how things will play out, i was confident about the whole thing because i assumed that the court in dallas would be all finished today. could hicks have 1 last go tommorow or is it just a formality.
i'm going to start getting the guardian from now on what a job they have done.

always a red {ed's note - I don't believe the club itself is being represented due to the fact that it is Kop Holdings that are bringing the case against RBS, NESV and the 3 Musketeers, er I mean independent directors.}

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14 Oct 2010 21:29:04
14 Oct 2010 21:01:30
Allrite ed is there anybody representing us in court over in dallas? {ed's note - I believe that a law firm has been hired to represent us. I am trying to find out who, so if anyone can let me know it would be appreciated and any info on them too please!}
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I don't know who's in the court room ED but it is being reported that the Bakers firm is advising. At what capacity i don't know mate just that they are advising.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 21:24:38
DOES THIS LITTLE SECTION OF QUOTES FROM HICKS PEOPLE IN THE DALLAS COURT ROOM MEAN THEY STILL THINK THEY ARE ABOUT TO GET INVESTMENT FROM SOMEWHERE TO PAY OFF RBS BEFORE TOM DEADLINE IN THE UK HIGH COURT? ?

MAYBE THIS HAS BEEN THE REASON FOR ALL THE DELAY TACTICS, THEY HAVE FOUND SOME SUCKER TO PAY UP?

BIG D

Update at 2:39 p.m.: Before Jordan dismissed the parties till tomorrow morning, first thing, attorney Stephen Fox, repping Hicks and Kop Holdings, told the judge that "our folks are aggressively working out an arrangement with RBS to take care of the debt." Meaning: Hicks and George Gillett would pay the close to £500 million owed and then look for someone other than NESV to buy the team. Jordan said, "I hope those talks continue, " but said he needs more time to consider the UK judge's ruling before making a decision concerning yesterday's temporary restraining order.

Steve Stodghill, repping Hicks and Gillett, told Unfair Park after the hearing that NESV and the Liverpool board have agreed to hold off on closing till tomorrow morning, around 8 a.m. Dallas time, when Jordan's expected to rule on the TRO. If Jordan lifts the TRO, sale's a done deal. But if Jordan doesn't, says Stodghill, "the ball's in the court of NESV, and they can decide if they want to attempt to close the transaction knowing their in violation of the TRO. That's a decision they'll have to make."

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14 Oct 2010 21:14:46
Ed what will happen if a.)the injunction isn't removed by 4pm gmt or b.)the 2 clowns decide not to remove it(i know they will be in contempt)but will sale still go through or could we face administration? please post {ed's note - then it will be a battle between the two courts for primacy in the case, as I understand it. Which is one that a district court in a distant land could not really hope to win over a local High Court in the land that the company is in. All it would do is waste time and probably see the club end up in admin.}

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14 Oct 2010 21:11:15
Interesting point from David Turner QC taken from the Guardian website. . . . . . . .

You report Liverpool FC's statement as saying: "We are glad to have taken another important step towards completing the sale process". That could be a major tactical error: paragraph (b) of the injunction granted in Dallas prohibited the taking of any steps towards completing the sale process. I had wondered whether H&G might retaliate by asserting (in Dallas) that seeking the anti-suit injunction fell within the acts prohibited in Dallas and was therefore a contempt of the Dallas Court. Viewed through English eyes, such an argument should fail; but the Dallas Court will not be looking at it through those eyes and H&G have instead been handed a gift which they can present as a clear admission of contempt. Possible result: a further mandatory injunction in Dallas requiring withdrawal of the anti-cuit injunction in London . .

For f* c sake! This could go on forever and a day if this is the case!
I don't believe the Dallas court will move any further on this. Enough is enough, leave us alone and take your two little puppets with you!

YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 21:07:24
Lfc have won the high court case today to get the temporary injuction lifted, hicks has been given till 4pm uk time to appeal against this ruling, 4pm the will be sold to nesv before mill finance can defalt h&g loans and pay rbs their loan, vermin don't give up without a fight . . .
shankly lives on

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14 Oct 2010 21:05:53
I HAVE JUST CUT AND PASTE THIS DIRECT FROM THE LATEST UPDATE IN THE DALLAS OBSERVER

BIG D

Update: Dallas District Judge to Rule Early Tomorrow Morning on Temporary Restraining Order in Liverpool FC Sale
By Robert Wilonsky, Thu., Oct. 14 2010 @ 2:10PM
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Outside Judge Jim Jordan's courtroom, TV cameras awaited the judge's decision. Till tomorrow!
​I'm at the George Allen this very moment, where attorneys representing New England Sports Ventures and Kop Holdings (which is to say, Tom Hicks) are squaring off over who owns Liverpool FC. In light of the UK judge's ruling this morning, which basically tossed yesterday's temporary restraining order, the attorneys (and assorted media) have gathered to see what the judge will decide, since Hicks owes the Royal Bank of Scotland close to $500 million dollars by tomorrow.

Right now, Judge Jim Jordan is leaning toward a 7 a.m. hearing Friday to decide whether or not he will lift yesterday's TRO. Court is scheduled to reconvene shortly. Updates forthcoming.

Update at 2:20 p.m.: Jordan has ordered all parties back in his courtroom at 7 a.m. tomorrow for an hour-long hearing, at which point he will decide whether or not to lift the TRO. Quotes forthcoming.

Update at 2:39 p.m.: Before Jordan dismissed the parties till tomorrow morning, first thing, attorney Stephen Fox, repping Hicks and Kop Holdings, told the judge that "our folks are aggressively working out an arrangement with RBS to take care of the debt." Meaning: Hicks and George Gillett would pay the close to £500 million owed and then look for someone other than NESV to buy the team. Jordan said, "I hope those talks continue, " but said he needs more time to consider the UK judge's ruling before making a decision concerning yesterday's temporary restraining order.

Steve Stodghill, repping Hicks and Gillett, told Unfair Park after the hearing that NESV and the Liverpool board have agreed to hold off on closing till tomorrow morning, around 8 a.m. Dallas time, when Jordan's expected to rule on the TRO. If Jordan lifts the TRO, sale's a done deal. But if Jordan doesn't, says Stodghill, "the ball's in the court of NESV, and they can decide if they want to attempt to close the transaction knowing their in violation of the TRO. That's a decision they'll have to make."

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14 Oct 2010 21:05:23
I used the Dallas Observer link to post this message on their blog.

Stevie G, Liverpool, England Home of Football says:
I guess you Americans just don't get it, do you? Football (Soccer to you) is a religion in the UK. We follow our team for life and any scumbag who messes with it had better watch out! Hicks and Gillette have lied constantly since they took ownership of the club and made loads of false promises and put our beloved football club in mortal danger with their reckless borrowing (to buy the club) and squeezed all the profits LFC makes to pay the interest on their loans. Believe me when I say that Liverpool FC have literally MILLIONS of fans around the world and they are very very angry with H&G, anyone who sides with Hicks and Gillette will feel the wrath of these fans and find their products boycotted or services cancelled or web sites crash with protest emails etc etc. H&G have almost brought England's most successful football club to its knees, the sooner they are gone the better!

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14 Oct 2010 21:01:49
The decision from Dallas is due at 7 am Dallas time that's 1pm GMTRed Pie

decision about what?i thought the high court judge said its got sweet fa to do with the fools from across the pond?

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14 Oct 2010 21:01:30
Allrite ed is there anybody representing us in court over in dallas? {ed's note - I believe that a law firm has been hired to represent us. I am trying to find out who, so if anyone can let me know it would be appreciated and any info on them too please!}

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14 Oct 2010 21:00:39
{ed's note - I hope you are right, but Judge Jim's previous election attempt was partly funded by friends of Hicks.}

I agree with you there, but d*icks like Hicks usually contribute to both candidates running for the opposing parties. I bet you'll find Hicks money in the coffers and the war chest of the incumbent also.

Paul

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14 Oct 2010 20:58:22
Are rbs still calling back the money tomorrow

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14 Oct 2010 20:58:21
The Texas court has no legal power to stop anything. The reason that RBS, NESV and Liverpool are over there is that it is deemed "unsporting" to ignore a court ruling even if its not binding.
RBS & NESV have much business going over there, hence wanting to do the right thing.
Rumours about judges and mid terms are closer to home than you ever thought! !

G & H have been given until 4pm BST to remove the injunction or they will be in contemp of court and could be arrested in the UK.

Hopefully thrown in a cell, tortured in the Tower and hung drawn and quartered. Well! if it was good enough for Mel Gibson in Bravehart!

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14 Oct 2010 20:58:02
Ed sorry to bother you mate but why does the dallas hearing affect the sale as the court hearing today was just to black the dallas hearing affecting the sale? am i right? and why r the cowboys going to the dallas court? {ed's note - they still have to withdraw their petition to the Dallas court, it doesn't just stop. But if they have chosen not to withdraw it and to continue the fight then they will be in contempt of court here.}

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14 Oct 2010 20:56:56
Ed am i correct in stating that with a 4pm UK Friday (10am Dallas) time deadline given to H&G. Dallas being 6 hours behind. Court in USA open at 9am, they are leaving it tight by having it adjourned till tomorrow. H&G will have one hour to have the judgement reversed and notify the High Court of their judgement by 4pm UK time. {ed's note - I believe the decision is expected to be around 8am Dallas time, giving two hours to H&G to sort things out. Though I believe Gillett is in the country to set in motion the transfer of his shares. If anyone knows different I would love them to tell me for sure why he is in the country.}

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14 Oct 2010 20:55:39
Between me trying to write a sing-along song and telling you about adjournments before anyone else and participating in the banter on this great website I also would like to say a huge thank you to the EDS. Witty, Smart, Thorough and thought provoking answers and responses. Liverpool FC fans we have proven today that the voice of many channeled into one is a powerful thing. It's been a long and arduous couple of days. I have not worked in days and probably won't till we have NESV as owners, but this has been unreal in the annals of our great club.Thanks again EDS for your great work.

Paul {ed's note - thank you mate, and all the posters, the posters are what truly makes the site.}

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14 Oct 2010 20:50:46
I just read that hicks faces jail or a huge fine now for lying and misleading in the texas court. they (hicks & gillett) have until 4pm tomorrow to respond to the british high court, not that it will do any good, all the paper work is signed and it will only take 1hour to go through. good riddence to the gold diggers and welcome to the new era.

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14 Oct 2010 20:50:03
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14 Oct 2010 20:33:09
Anyone else for keping our anti Hicks protests going to help the Dallas Stars to get rid of him. Let's not let this pathetic excuse of a man ruin another sporting team team in front of it's fans eyes?

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Have read some of the posts on the Dallas Stars message board. .they won't be getting my support. {ed's note - why is that mate?}

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14 Oct 2010 20:47:58
ED whot a f~c~ing joke this is. From pukka news 4 are lfc AN WALK ON THIS IS GAME OVER TAR TAR HICKS AN CO AN BRING ON THE HAPPY DAYS? THEN ITS OVER TO them 2 little turds on there home soil PLEASE HELP US WE NEED MONEY TEXAS? t* tS.sorry ed but we Got THE RULEING X 2 TODAY an NOW HICKS AN CO ARE BACK IN TEXAS TONIGHT HELP US AGAIN. SHOCKING. ED MATE THIS CRAP COULD GO ON AN ON AN ON. . SOS WE ARE BEING MADE A JOKE OF. WE ARE LFC 4 F*C*SAKE AN SO SO SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS. IS THIS WHOT THE HELL IT HAS COME TO. WE LFC HAVE DONE THIS ALL BY THE BOOK ED ALL THE WAY. AN STILL WE ARE GETTING ROLLED OVER BY THE KFC TWINS THE STORM IS STILL RUMMBLEING ON ED WHOT DO U THINK MATE COZ IM GUTTED BY THIS DRAMA. . JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE IN LITTLE GAFFA I TRUST WALK ON WITH HOPE UP THE POOL FOR EVER RED TILL DEAD {ed's note - I think the judge will rule against H&G tomorrow and the sale will go through before the weekend.}

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14 Oct 2010 20:47:22
What happens if the injunction does not get lifted?

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14 Oct 2010 20:47:02
Case ajourned till tomorrow- ssn

with 6 hour delay between uk and texas that means a decision needs to be made by 9am texas time to meet 3pm deadline

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14 Oct 2010 20:46:21
The decision from Dallas is due at 7 am Dallas time that's 1pm GMTRed Pie

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14 Oct 2010 20:45:35
If judge jim has any sense of justice he should fcuk H/ G fight off.Roll on 2moro and NESV new ownership of Liverpool football club. {ed's note - you know the judge is trying to get elected to the US Supreme Court don't you? And that he needs funds for his election campaign? He will not be doing anything to jeopardise any possible sponsors he could get, especially if they happen to be prominent Texan businessmen. . .}


Ed Hicks is a republican. I think it works both ways . Judge Jim would not want to give his politicalopponent any food for fodder to use against him. The political opponents run slanderous and overly personalnegative tv ads over here against each other. I can't see a current county judge take on an English High Court and want to end up with egg on his face. Judge Jim to lift rug and kick the dust under it tomorrow morning. {ed's note - I hope you are right, but Judge Jim's previous election attempt was partly funded by friends of Hicks.}

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14 Oct 2010 20:45:29
As i am not a lawyer, can someone explain to me how this Texan court has any clout at all?. This is the UK not America. UK law dictates what goes on in the UK. How can a texas court dictate anything here?. The high court should tell the US court to F* K OFF and aprove the sale to NESV.

The Roachmiester

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14 Oct 2010 20:45:22
Hi ed, sorry to bother you, can you shed any light on what would happen if this texas court judge fails to lift the injunction? and have they finished till tomorrow in texas do you know? many thanks sorry to be a pain. ps ed, do u rembember vegard heggem? just found an old top with his name on the back! {ed's note - as I understand it, if the court fails to overturn the injunction, that it placed on the club yesterday, then it will become a battle over who has primacy. Which should be won by the UK High Court, in fact I fail to even see any question about that, but it would give Hicks even more time, which seems to be all he is playing for now. I loved Heggem, was a better version of Johnson - great going forward but not much good defensively - but injuries cost him badly.}

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14 Oct 2010 20:38:31
Expect a decision by 7.05a.m. GMT

Paul

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14 Oct 2010 20:37:36
Can somebody please give me the times on deadline's for tommorw?

Whats happening?

As far as I'm aware NESV cannot buy untill the Order is lifted in Texas, but what was the court all about tonight? When will it be lifted? What happens to LFC if it does/ doesn't get lifted, I need answers please. I AM CONFUSED

[Scottish Scouse]

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14 Oct 2010 20:35:25
If judge jim has any sense of justice he should fcuk H/ G fight off.Roll on 2moro and NESV new ownership of Liverpool football club. {ed's note - you know the judge is trying to get elected to the US Supreme Court don't you? And that he needs funds for his election campaign? He will not be doing anything to jeopardise any possible sponsors he could get, especially if they happen to be prominent Texan businessmen.....}

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14 Oct 2010 20:33:09
Anyone else for keping our anti Hicks protests going to help the Dallas Stars to get rid of him. Let's not let this pathetic excuse of a man ruin another sporting team team in front of it's fans eyes?

Bridgy07

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14 Oct 2010 20:31:27
Could someone explain to be what Hicks will gain by stopping the sale untill 25th Oct.

I thought RBS would be really to walk in and take the club come the 15th Oct. Does Hicks have a plan to find the money? is he playing for time. Or is he a bad loser who doesn't care what this will cost him. Just wants to be an ass.

Whats the deal. Why untill 25th Oct. The result is likely to be the same.

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14 Oct 2010 20:27:07
8.16pm: Breaking News . . Sky Sports News has reported that the Texas court has adjourned until 7am tomorrow morning Dallas time (4pm BST) - which is just three hours before the deadline set in the High Court today - and so there will be no decision on Hicks and Gillett's case until then. I guess this means the rumoured NESV hearing in Texas, which was said to be taking place over the next few hours, will now not go ahead.

Guardian update.

PIDDY

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14 Oct 2010 20:25:56
Dallas Judge has just heard arguments from Hicks/ Gillet lawyers and NESV lawyers and ordered them back in court at 7am (1pm our time) for an hour long hearing to decide whether or not he'll loft his injunction.

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14 Oct 2010 20:25:06
Judge Jim has adjourned till tomorrow in Dallas. Ed post on both pages please.

Paul

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14 Oct 2010 20:23:52
Update at 2:20 p.m.: Judge Jim Jordan has ordered all parties back in his courtroom at 7 a.m. tomorrow for an hour-long hearing, at which point he will decide whether or not to lift the TRO.

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14 Oct 2010 20:22:57
READ WHAT THE PARASITE IS TRYING TO DO RIGHT THIS MINUTE IN DALLAS COURT

is that not from last night/ this morning?

THE DATE ON THE ARTICLE IF YOU READ IS OCT 14 10:46 AM DALLAS TIME

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 20:22:02
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2010/10/at_this_very_moment_in_a_downt.php

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14 Oct 2010 20:21:02
Gillett in london

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14 Oct 2010 20:17:26
READ WHAT THE PARASITE IS TRYING TO DO RIGHT THIS MINUTE IN DALLAS COURT

is that not from last night/ this morning?

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14 Oct 2010 20:15:02
IBRAHIM AFELLAY ambition is to play for LIVERPOOL

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14 Oct 2010 20:10:23
Www.dallasobserver.com/

THANK YOU

READ WHAT THE PARASITE IS TRYING TO DO RIGHT THIS MINUTE IN DALLAS COURT

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 20:07:36
Does anyone know why hicks and gillett are back in court tonight?
martynlfc

READ ON AND YOU WILL SEE

blogs.dallasobserver.com/ unfairpark/ 2010/ 10/ as_liverpool_fc_sale_moves_bac.php

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14 Oct 2010 20:00:59
Does anyone know why hicks and gillett are back in court tonight?
martynlfc

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14 Oct 2010 20:00:22
Among the requests: "Ordering Defendants - and any of their agents and/ or attorneys that were aware of the Court's order - jailed until they purge themselves of their contempt." Look, nobody's going to jail. Still, you'd best jump, before the judge in the U.K. rules any . . moment . . now . .

THANK YOU

NOW DO YOU BELIEVE THS IS WHAT HE IS AFTER? ? ?

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 19:56:55
ED i know Moores wanted the cash but the point i don't get is why sell too H&G when he could of got a better buyer and kept our respect.They need burning
REDDAN {ed's note - because he is a greedy waster who lives on money earnt for him by his family. The only thing he saw was more money, I mean he was only going to get £80m from DIC, for doing nothing, no wonder he wasn't happy. I mean which of us would be happy with a mere £80m being offered to us for something we had never had to do anything for apart from happen to be born into the right family?}

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14 Oct 2010 19:50:38
I agree with Eds note below. We should give players like Amoo a chance to make the grade, seen him play a few times and he seems like a talented guy with bags of pace and confidence to challenge defenders.

Any one seen Ngoo - he's got the lot. Tall skillful strong, good finisher and pace to burn. Give him a go

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14 Oct 2010 19:49:32
blogs.dallasobserver.com/ unfairpark/2010/10/as_liverpool_fc_sale_moves_bac.php


TRY THIS

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 19:48:44
Apologies if it's been answered, but did it ever come to light where the rumours of Macquarie came from?

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14 Oct 2010 19:48:28
Ed do u think it is possible that liverpool sign rooney because he has fallen out with alex fergson and he might want to go back to merseyside but everton don't have the money {ed's note - I hope not - that little snotrag sold his story to the S*n purely to have a dig at us. He is a nasty little turd and I would not want him, and the chavvy little bint he is married to, anywhere near Liverpool.}

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14 Oct 2010 19:47:58
Leave it out with all the players talk we still haven't got control of the club yet. H&G are up to something and are not going to lay down just yet but I'm still living in hope.

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14 Oct 2010 19:47:10
Two people we really need too thank for this mess is Moores and Parry. Still too this day can't think why someone who loves the club as much as Moores does, ever sold LFC too those two morons.ED any ideas?Would also like too thank the big ED and Eds for all their effort in keeping us all informed.Well done GREAT site and thanks
REDDAN {ed's note - because Moores loves money far more than he loves the club.}

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14 Oct 2010 19:47:08
Anyone know why our directors are now "independant directors"?

Because they are independent from the other 2 directors on the board - H&G

I would gladly sacrifice 9 points to see them in prison - who else would Click believe for yes

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14 Oct 2010 19:42:05
14 Oct 2010 19:03:29
Team news for derby reina johnson carra skrtel konchesky meireles poulson lucas cole stevie torres
Danny
Remember my name I will post the right
Team every week real inside info

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14 Oct 2010 19:41:55
ED WHY ARE YOU NOT POSTING MY LINK? ? {ed's note - it has probably been filtered out mate, to stop spammers anything with http:// in front will just not come through. Just post it starting with www instead.}

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14 Oct 2010 19:37:17
Could Everton cost Woy his job?
Only a win will keep him under a clock. Clause in his contract states new owners may want a new coach. Liverpool's terrible form, ugly football, players not looking like they want to play under current manager and the fact the kop shouts Dalglish name means Woy has an uphill battle. Comon Woy. Support your team and stick up for your players should opposing managers attack. You have the chance to win back your supporters but it must start with Everton.
C'mon the mighty Reds

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14 Oct 2010 19:35:31
14 Oct 2010 19:24:39
Lots of talk about Lisandro Lopez and Luis Suarez today by sites and newspaper. I know it's probably all poppycock but could you imagine a front 3 of Lopez, Torres & Suarez!
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if we do complete the takover, i can imagine 1 marquee signing in january, and a couple of tried n tested prem players.
Personally, ashley young could do a great job for us, young, british, quick.Mr houiller mite be a bit reluctant to let him go, but he himself is looking to shuffle in jan, 15-20m will certainly help him do that.
that could be our marquee signing.
i also believe NESV will have their own targets, and believe they would have done their homework on a couple of "cost effective" prem players which roy has whispered about already.

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14 Oct 2010 19:33:01
I agree with Eds note below. We should give players like Amoo a chance to make the grade, seen him play a few times and he seems like a talented guy with bags of pace and confidence to challenge defenders.

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14 Oct 2010 19:30:04
1st- Groundshare can't happen for 2 simple reasons. 1- majority of fans DON'T want it and 2- Everton can't afford 30 million let alone 250 million.
The Allianz Arena is Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich shared stadium and because Bayern fill the stadium and 1860 Munich don't, now 1860 munich pay Bayern rent.
Do you think Everton would like to be owned by Liverpool?
Also Italian clubs where born into there shared stadiums and that's there tradition. English clubs pride them selves on own identity tradition.
Shared stadium won't work.
Anfield redevelopment . Good idea but can't because of residence, health and safety, no parking, re-housing etc etc.
New Stadium. Makes more sense with better facilities, beginning of a new era and look at Arsenal and there stadium.
Maybe Everton and Liverpool could have this twin stadium where two stadium are built side by side on stanley park

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14 Oct 2010 19:29:45
Roy Hodgeson is interested in signing 26 Brazilian Nilmar from Villareal for £14 mil
If this does not work Hodgeson will turn to 25 Brazilian striker Cleo for £12 mil

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14 Oct 2010 19:29:36
This is in no way over. H&G may be t*ats but they aren't stupid. They'd hav known exactly how lfc would respond to the restraining order and known full well what the outcome of that response would be. They will now do whatever they can to either put the deadline back or create another petty and completely useless hurdle for us to overcome. I am convinced we will at somepoint enter administration. Whether or not the league will decide to hit us with a 9pt deduction is another matter. If H&G are just going to remove the restraining order and allow the sale to go ahead then they wouldn't hav bothered with the restraining order in the first place. This is simply there way of leaving with both their middle fingers held aloft to everyone associated with the club. I wish them both the consequences their petty actions deserve

Redfish

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14 Oct 2010 19:24:39
Lots of talk about Lisandro Lopez and Luis Suarez today by sites and newspaper. I know it's probably all poppycock but could you imagine a front 3 of Lopez, Torres & Suarez!

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14 Oct 2010 19:22:38
Anyone know why our directors are now "independant directors"?

LFC statement on LFC.TV

PIDDY

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14 Oct 2010 19:22:14
NESV to takeover tonight 2200hrs

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14 Oct 2010 19:17:52
14 Oct 2010 19:03:29
Team news for derby reina johnson carra skrtel konchesky meireles poulson lucas cole stevie torres
Danny p

(( i hope not theres no width, all midfielders are central even jCole.
I feel this is the perfect opportunity to play johnson at rw and kelly at rb, now that kuyt is injured again while on international duty again.
Ed do ya agreeOr even play ince?

Harry5:) {ed's note - why not play Ince or Sterling on the left and Johnson or Amoo on the right?}

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14 Oct 2010 19:11:55
Hi Reds,
Still can'y believe that those "owners (H&G)" are trying to keep the club when they know they stand no chance. If that Singapore individual purchases LFC the good old days shall return but things are not going the way we expected as Torres is being thrashed by injuries
Red Blood in our veins! !

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14 Oct 2010 19:07:20
Not a rumour, just been on bbc radio merseyside news

john henry has just arrived at the lawyers offices in london central

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14 Oct 2010 19:06:53
My concern is . . .what website my husband will then find to watch, when this is all over!

Answer I'll still be on here looking for january transfers. Come on Aguero.

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14 Oct 2010 19:04:55
Hicks in court as we speak in Texas. He didn't tell them that he lost over here so the injunction was invalid anyway. If the two idiots don't reply by 4pm tomorrow they could get a heavy fine or possibly imprisonment. . . let's hope it's the later. Personally I expect he'll bottle it & an official announcement will be made soon.

Gav the red

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14 Oct 2010 19:03:29
Team news for derby reina johnson carra skrtel konchesky meireles poulson lucas cole stevie torres
Danny p

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14 Oct 2010 18:57:00
Liverpool to sign Lord Grabiner to play alongside Torres. We can't lose when he's on our side.

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14 Oct 2010 18:56:05
These horse's all won today.
Broughtons Dream 20/ 1
Defence of Duress 3/ 1
Plea 6/ 1
Outside Investor 12/ 1
Staying Article 7/ 1

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14 Oct 2010 18:56:05
God help us let that be the end of it after makeing them look at prat in engish courts can't believe any law firm will take this any further fully expect hicks to take us to court for damages but that won't stop sale going ahead and if no stupid announcements come tonight by 5pm tomorrow expect N.E, S.V to be confirmed new owners.

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14 Oct 2010 18:55:17
The sale of our beloved club will go through after the 4pm deadline the High Court have ruled against Hicks & Gillett to comply with the orders the Judge has made (dropping the cases and accusations against the Liverpool board, RBS and NESV).

I am not a journo and don't have any links with Liverpool at all, but I am extremely close to a British journalist who has been following this story as part of a well known British media institution. What I have been told is, NESV are extremely impressed with the hierachical structure Liverpool have in place with Christian Purslow, Ian Ayre and Martin Broughton. As we all know, as soon as the club is sold, Broughton is set to step down and commit solely to his role as Chairman of British Airways. However, NESV want Broughton to continue in some capacity at Liverpool and are trying to put together a package to convince him to remain at Anfield.

I also know that apparently and I stress apparently, Purslow has advised NESV to talk to the fans by setting up a meeting with the Spirit of Shankly group to talk about the future direction of the club, in order to get the fans of their side. The prospective new owners would prefer to redevelop Anfield to a capacity of 65,000 but are open to a prostective new stadium. They want to consult fans about this project.

Transfer figures have been discussed but all parties agree it is best to keep everything quiet and away from the media.

Scouse Red Sox

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14 Oct 2010 18:51:56
8:48:22
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE COURT CASE IS GOING ON IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW AND IT CONTAINS ALL THE PAPERWORK! HONESTLY

PREPARE FOR MORE FIREWORKS

HICKS IS GOING TO COURT AS WE SPEAK TO TRY TO "JAIL" OUR 3 LIVERPOOL BOARD MEMBERS. . HONESTLY

YOUVE HEARD IT HERE FIRST BEFORE SKY SPORTS NEWS BREAKS IT! ! !

BIG D

hope they collect there 200 pound when they past go. .big d. must stand for d* * * d

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14 Oct 2010 18:48:22
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE COURT CASE IS GOING ON IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW AND IT CONTAINS ALL THE PAPERWORK! ! HONESTLY

PREPARE FOR MORE FIREWORKS

HICKS IS GOING TO COURT AS WE SPEAK TO TRY TO "JAIL" OUR 3 LIVERPOOL BOARD MEMBERS. . HONESTLY

YOUVE HEARD IT HERE FIRST BEFORE SKY SPORTS NEWS BREAKS IT! ! ! !

BIG D

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14 Oct 2010 18:47:55
14 Oct 2010 18:26:27
14 Oct 2010 11:07:58
Does anybody think the rest of the football and sport, media and press world will now realise and understand the trouble we have had with H&G over the last 3 and a half years.
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AFTER THE PAST WEEK WE NOW CAN SEE WHY THE CLUB HAS BEEN IN TOTAL COLLAPSE BEHIND THE SCENES OVER THE PAST 3 AND A HALF YEARS.
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And why Rafa allegedly 'walked out' on the club on several occasions and had to be talked back.

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14 Oct 2010 18:47:15
From Judge Floyd to Mr Hicks
Sign on you lazy diamond

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14 Oct 2010 18:44:18
I'd also like to thank everyone who's contributed to this site over the past few months and everyone who's thrown their support behind Liverpool F.C over this tough time. I'd just like to say to the Hollywood guys making the movie that Gillett and Hicks must be played by Statler and Waldorf for obvious reasons.

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14 Oct 2010 18:43:22
HICKS TO SPEND TONIGHT IN A TEXAS SLAMMER
(sorry judge i forgot to tell you about the high court)

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14 Oct 2010 18:38:34
Liverpool linked with lisandro lopez for 15m, great buy in my opinion.

e.h lfc

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14 Oct 2010 18:32:03
Three chears for the Ed/ Ed's and all his/ their hard work over last few weeks.
Hip Hip. . . . . . . . . . .Hooray

Well done

Lee {ed's note - thank you very much, from all of us.}

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14 Oct 2010 18:27:50
But surely rbs could extend the deadline? ?

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14 Oct 2010 18:26:27
14 Oct 2010 11:07:58
Does anybody think the rest of the football and sport, media and press world will now realise and understand the trouble we have had with H&G over the last 3 and a half years.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
AFTER THE PAST WEEK WE NOW CAN SEE WHY THE CLUB HAS BEEN IN TOTAL COLLAPSE BEHIND THE SCENES OVER THE PAST 3 AND A HALF YEARS.

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14 Oct 2010 18:25:08
Ed do you or anyone know what them two clowns are tryin to achieve?? {ed's note - they are trying to drag the club into admin and then claim damages. It is greed and spite.}

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14 Oct 2010 18:21:42
14 Oct 2010 18:16:37
Not a rumour or banter. . just a huge huge thank you to the eds. whoever you are. You have done sterling work gentlemen, and also to everyone else on the site. its been a fraught couple of days. i have no doubt the gruesome twosome will try something else. but their avenues for arsing about are becoming more and more limited by the day. So to all of us. hopefully we can get back to football fairly soon.
thank you

chris 1 {ed's note - let's just hope this new court hearing at 7pm in Dallas is them withdrawing their previous outlandish claims. Oh and you are very welcome, all the editors do this because we love football, it is great to be able to find a way to get more involved with the game.}
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YES ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THIS SITE HAS BEEN BRILLIANT OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS. WELL DONE TO ALL THE EDS. {ed's note - thank you! It has been great, I hesitate to use the word fun because I have been too stressed to enjoy it, but it has been great.}

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14 Oct 2010 18:20:54
My name is Henry Adams and I am an international litigator at a firm called Birketts LLP. I acted for one of the parties in a recent leading English anti-suit injunction case which went to Court of Appeal level. I'm also a Red but that's by the by.

The comments on your blog from Mark Stephens are unfortunately not quite right. Here is the position:

The Texan Court injunction is binding on the board et al in the UK, until the injunction there is lifted by the Texan Court. The anti-suit injunction is not an order against the Texan Court itself. Instead, it is effectively an order compelling H&G to apply to the Texan Court to lift the injunction, on the basis that the Texan Court has no jurisdiction to determine this case. H&G therefore face a choice: either they lift the injunction or be in contempt of the English Court anti-suit injunction, the punishment for which can include imprisonment. H&G would most likely not want to return to the UK with contempt proceedings hanging over their heads.

Hope that helps - fascinating scenario!

Henry
(Posted in Guardian) - Wish G+H come back here and spend few days inside - least they deserved for putting us through this

coyr

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14 Oct 2010 18:20:10
We can't do much to help at this stage but it made me feel better to email the American Attorney General Eric Holder and ask him to look at the activities of Hicks, Gillett & Judge Jordan. I even suggested they could be considered to be turning the American justice system and people into a laughing stock.
Try it.

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14 Oct 2010 18:18:20
First time user just heard on ssn news that a new hearing in dallas is due to start at 6pm english time hopefully the court will tell the parasites to remove the injunction that they finally they have lost their fight and crawl back into the holes they came from, hopefully this is the end of it and we can finally move on YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 18:18:03
Bair, NEVS are the de facto owners as there is a binding agreement in place. However it won't be concluded until they are sure that they and RBS cannot be sued in the US for breaching the Texas injunction. It is for this reason that the judge has given G & H until 4pm tomorrow to lift the injunction. I would not worry about 10am deadline for repaying RBS. There are standard indulgence clauses in loan agreements which enable a lender to indulge in giving a borrower further time to repay a loan beyond the repayment date. I am sure that RBS will have no difficulty in indulging beyond 10am . Reality Red

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14 Oct 2010 18:16:37
Not a rumour or banter. . just a huge huge thank you to the eds. whoever you are. You have done sterling work gentlemen, and also to everyone else on the site. its been a fraught couple of days. i have no doubt the gruesome twosome will try something else. but their avenues for arsing about are becoming more and more limited by the day. So to all of us. hopefully we can get back to football fairly soon.
thank you

chris 1 {ed's note - let's just hope this new court hearing at 7pm in Dallas is them withdrawing their previous outlandish claims. Oh and you are very welcome, all the editors do this because we love football, it is great to be able to find a way to get more involved with the game.}

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14 Oct 2010 18:14:40
Just a question for one of the ed's are there any plans for a board meeting tonight after the latest high court ruling? [Ed's Comment. Don't know mate. Think that the Texan hearing will be handled first and the outcome awaited. See previous poster comment.]

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14 Oct 2010 18:13:31
SSN has reported the following:

NESV believe the ARE NOW new owners of Liverpool FC and that the previous owners (H&G) are "grasping from the grave with dead hands"

Hearing in Texas court started at 18:00 GMT.

High court state that if H&G do not withdraw injunction attempt they will be held in contempt of court.

This is a beautiful thing to hear.

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14 Oct 2010 18:12:43
Hicks as a popular in the USA as here the following comments are from the DALLAS OBSERVER NEWS PAPER

robert says:
On behalf of the State of Texas, I'd like to apologize to all Liverpool Fans. Has there been a bigger disaster for sports than Tom Hicks? Good Grief!

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 9:22AM

CV Gilkeson says:
I hope the same scenario plays out with the sale of the Stars and Hicks has a trifecta of sports-sale failure. Keep the pressure on England. Your friends in America are with you.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 9:33AM

LaceyB says:
I miss the picture of Hicks nearly inhaling the hotdog. Vintage Unfair Park. I'm certain the UK boys miss it too, as it looked like he was ready to choke on it.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 9:42AM

Robert Wilonsky says:
Fair enough, Lacey. Which is why it has made its return to the top of the page.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 9:46AM

Rooster says:
Please, please, please, please, please dear Lord Baby Jesus, lying there in your. .your little ghost manger, lookin' at your Baby Einstein developmental. .videos, learnin' 'bout shapes and colors. ., we hope that you can use your baby Jesus powers to make this not screw up Hick's sale of the Stars.
Amen.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 10:17AM

ohhh remember the muppets. . says:
I had no idea Waldorf & Statler were soccer fans.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 10:45AM

d says:
quit referring to him as a billionaire - he's not! you must be reading his pro-formas on his investments submitted by his retarded kids at HH. Enough already. Next up for auction is that $40mil manse that will go for a cool $20-22 mil to a real billionaire.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 10:50AM

Waterlewd says:
Robert, Looks like we'll have an answer tomorrow in the early morning. Judge claims decision will be made at 10:30am GMT. What is that, 4:30am here?

Looking forward to the end. This suspense is so great! Will Hicks lose over $120 million in one day? Oh, I can't wait.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 11:26AM

The Red Dojo says:
@Robert:

Apology Accepted. :)

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 12:14PM

Dallas Diner says:
I love the hotdog picture.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 1:48PM

ScouseTexan says:
That parasite will hopefully lose his shirt tomorrow.

Hopefully the judge sees sense and brings this charade to a quick end.

Hicks and his sidekick Gillete have brought our once proud club to its knees and are dragging its good name through this tawdry process in a desperate attempt to stave off the inevitable.

If they succeed they lose everything anyway on Friday but the club has a 9 point deduction for going into Chapter 11 (equiv), motivated purely by spite and a desire to enforce another round of bidding when a perfectly good (seemingly) owner has been found and approved by the Premier League.

Gentlemen to the last.

Posted On: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 @ 8:38PM

Matt says:
Lim is offering a little more than £20.

£19, 999, 980 more in fact.

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 3:04AM

shankly says:
I want him out of my club now. . .

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 3:29AM

Jofrad says:
@ Matt,
The Liverpool board do not have to accept the highest bid if they think it's not in the long term interests of the club.
Love the cartoon
Anticipate a BIG celebration if H&G lose this case (please).

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 4:21AM

d says:
2 down, 1 to go. What's his strategy now? That's 2 Foreclosures on 3 teams in less than 3 months. he probably now thinks he can make it up on the sale of the Stars. see ya creep.

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 8:14AM

michael jackson from the grave says says:
They Told Him Don't You Ever Come Around Here
Don't Wanna See Your Face, You Better Disappear
The Fire's In Their Eyes And Their Words Are Really Clear
So Beat It, Just Beat It

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 10:43AM

mark n says:
hi . as a liverpool fan over here in anfield , i like to say a big thankyou to those of you nwho supported us through this, your support has been a help when times were hard , so once again thanks

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 11:28AM

Anonymous says:
They lost and leave to appeal has been denied the sale of the club can go ahead! !

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 12:21PM

Jofrad says:
I also thank all those in Dallas who have supported us and publicized the chaos created at our club by Tom Hicks.
"What goes round comes round" Hicks & Gillett have no right of appeal and all costs have been awarded against them.
At great day for all Liverpudlians, best wishes to you all.

Posted On: Wednesday, Oct. 13 2010 @ 12:34PM

Mark Hill says:
Our district court > British High Court

Team USA 1 - 0 England :D

Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 14 2010 @ 6:45AM

ChriS says:
Lfc Supporters could take the initiative?
preferably via SoS/ SL . OR . via a "competitive" law firm in the states?
("class action")

was wrong to celebrate & gloat when a) its not over, b) MB & CP are (also)the villians who also damaged our club and C) WE supporters should have acted earlier to own our club, and must get involved (not just 1% of us)

we should (via SoS-SL) who have enough funds to do it - put in our own injunction to ensure OUR interests are protected and If we allow NESV to profit from our income then we really ARE stupid and get what we deserve = NOTHING!

apart from the benefits of combined action you (media , forums & Kop Faithfu/ SoS-SL) should be promoting not only our protest but that with a global sale of Lfc products, match day, tv & other services, WE generate an income of over a BILLION, which make 500 quid (even available @ 10 quid a month via credit union?) a BARGAIN once-in-a-lifetime investment! !
- -
although only 1 % of Liverpool supporters have been "active" so far, we must not allow others to dictate our future - WE are the club. and need to show it as much now as at any time. WE should be taking the initiative making OUR claim via an injunction if necessary to protect OUR club from further abuse, by anyone!

. .The" counter claim" . which indeed is not but should be a simple injunction to protect our club & global supporters from further damage/ abuse. could include
- the need to protect the community from mis-management or "fire sale" of arguably a "uniqueworld-famous cultural/ heritage site" (Anfield)
- the varuious claims global supporters have against the ticket office & other Lfc departments
- non-uk supporters having less benefits than local supporters/ fans despite paying the same for fancards etc
- the overall & detailed damages to our cliub and global image
- etc etc.

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14 Oct 2010 18:11:22
Ssn reporting that court in Dallas are meeting now at 6 gmt.so let's hope we get a pos and not a Neg.

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14 Oct 2010 18:10:14
UN f*ckING BELIEVABLE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

IM STILL TRYING TO BELIEVE WHAT THE PARASITES LEGAL HAVE SAID THEY WANTED "THEY WANT BROUGHTON AYRES AND PURSLOW FOUND IN COMTEMPT OF COURT AND SENT TO. . . .WAIT FOR IT. . . .JAIL! ! !"

I CANT BELIEVE THEY ARE STATING SUCH CLAIMS AND THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?

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14 Oct 2010 18:06:05
The guardian is reporting NESV's lawyer as saying that "Hicks and Gillett need to withdraw the claim by 3pm UK time tomorrow for the NESV deal to go through tomorrow".

Dont panic, there is a simple explanation for this. Its called banking hours. After 3pm it will not be possible for NESV to transfer the funds to RBS to repay the debt. If Hicks and Gillette don't withdraw by 3pm this will roll into Monday. Reality Red

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14 Oct 2010 18:02:12
Remember guys its not all over until fat kirdi sings.

hicks and gillett out now. [Ed,s Note: If you haven't heard it yet, go to the BBC web site (Football Pages) and find the interview with the Texan Lawyer called Tom Cruise. (Honest). It should provide further reassurance in line with Justice Floyd s second ruling today]

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14 Oct 2010 17:58:52
14 Oct 2010 17:31:26
Its very rare for a court to give an anti suit injunction. However i still think we need to appear in texas to oppose the injunction. This judgment will of course significanlty help. Without the Texas proceedings being stoped its likely that RBS and NEVS will still feel too exposed to permit a sale to go through. I hope I am wrong but lest see. Reality Red
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I agree Reality but NESV declared themselve's "the new owners" today in court. Before a verdict was even giving it sounds as if they are pretty confident both sides of the Atlantic.

Blair Mayne YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 17:56:49
So i still don't understand what's happening. The judge has said the deadline is 4pm tommorrow, so does this mean rbs won't have their money by 10am tommorrow and what does this actually mean for the club as far as administration and a possible financial penalty by rbs?

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14 Oct 2010 17:54:15
The time is nearly upon us, nice work by the board AGAIN and thanks to the High Court for not yielding to H&G.

Soon we will be able to say "so long, you filthy animals (H&G)" in a John Wayne voice!

Let's hear a "yeee hah"! Lol

Hope I am not celebrating too soon!

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14 Oct 2010 17:52:16
Ed, the judge is reported to have given H&G until 4pm tomorrow (London time) to comply with order. i.e. to withdraw their Texas injunction. If they don't do it by then I guess its contempt. You will recall that I said this was a possibility a couple of hours ago and mentioned that contempt is a criminal offence punishable by jail time. This is now the perfect judgment in that it puts the onus on G & H to make the next move. Looks like Check Mate. Reality Red {Ed's Comment. It's a strong and clear judgment that does exactly as you say. Let's see what happens next in Texas}

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14 Oct 2010 17:46:44
Will Liverpool's new Texan lawyers be able to make a Dallas court reconsider the injunction tonight? Do they need to?

Will Hicks and Gillett abide by Mr Justice Floyd's ruling?

Will NESV finally get to sign the papers and take over Liverpool Football Club?

Most pressingly, will Royal Bank of Scotland press ahead with its plan to put Liverpool into administration by the end of play tomorrow if they have not been repaid (by new owners or by H&G)?


Deh deh deh da deh, de de da deh

This sounds like Soap. . american sitcom . remember?

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14 Oct 2010 17:45:54
So there's no chance of Hicks selling his shares to the Mill group before any sale to NEVS? And if he did, what then? Hopefully the sale can go through swiftly.

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14 Oct 2010 17:44:00
I think we should counter sue those 2 clowns for every penny they have for the damage they have tried to inflict on the club! P.S thanks ED for your great work over the last couple of days, i think all us reds have went through every emotion a person can! WE ARE NEARLY THERE! YNAW! !

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14 Oct 2010 17:41:22
There is something that strikes me about todays events. How easy was that! You might think I'm mad, but H&G's lawyers didn't show. They made it easy; WHY! I feel in my stomach that there are a couple of more twists and turns along the way, before we can get rid of them. I am also more wary of American owners now, than ever before. {ed's note - they are busy in Texas trying to get the board for contempt of court mate. 160th District Court to be precise.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:41:06
Liverpool's owners have suffered another setback after the High Court granted an injunction against their own injunction to block the club's sale.

From BBC Football

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14 Oct 2010 17:40:51
Me thinks this ain't over! Anyone hear that fat lady singing yet?


Yes he's been singin that he hasnt had an ankle injury.

an Fergies gonna batter him.

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14 Oct 2010 17:40:40
Well what can i say i read everyday enjoy the opinions and madness at times, great site guys im on the brink of losing my job if the boss catches me on this site again ha ha he can f*c* off just like them yanks!

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14 Oct 2010 17:40:33
Just in from work and got what looks like brilliant news but I will not get too excited until its all done and dusted.
Thanks to all the ED's and to all the people who posted some much needed info and to the 3 board members who stuck it up to the scum of the earth Hicks and Gillette.They'll never destroy Liverpool Football Club or it's fans no matter how hard they try.
You'll Never Walk Alone my friends
Thanks again for all the great work people.

Eric The Real Red

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14 Oct 2010 17:40:32
Oh well, it seems that Hicks has lost and is broke. . .

Lets all remain reasonable - if he has nowhere to stay, I have a caravan he can rent - at £100m an hour (f#@king tw@t). . . . . .

I hope he rots in hell for what he has done to LFC.

Onwards and upwards for the mighty reds. YNWA.

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14 Oct 2010 17:39:49
Im working at melwood weve got electrical contract and i was told by on of the youth trainers that hicks apparrently tried to sell melwood and the accademy to rent back to get some money back it is apparently to come out in press once deal is signed tonight dirty lying b* tards i hope you rot in hell

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14 Oct 2010 17:38:44
Injunction ping-pong ? ?
Isnt this the maiden name of Ian Ayres wife. . I'll get me coat.

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14 Oct 2010 17:37:32
The application for a TRO (injunction) in a Texas City court is one last, desperate, throw of the dice for Gillett & Hicks reveals how bankrupt their legal position is. .basic principles of international law are (1) that an injunction issued by a Texas Court has no effect on actions in this (the UK) country; and, (2) that the court first dealing with the case should be the only court dealing with the matter to the end. Therefore, the Texas court will have to relinquish control to the High Court in London. .if Hicks and Gilett really wanted to stop this transaction they needed an injunction from the High Court in London and another against New England Sports Ventures in Boston where that company is located.

I confidently predict that RBS and the Directors will be able to shrug off this irksome litigation which seems calculated to delay the takeover which will ultimately be consumated.

Chris

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14 Oct 2010 17:37:27
Ed you need to lift the langauge filter so we can vent how we feel about the slipperly little maggots. Well done to the board and legal team. .we've got as close as giving H&G the finger. . Thanks Ed, you're doing an amazing job. YNWA {ed's note - you don't need to see the words to know what is being said mate....}

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14 Oct 2010 17:32:36
Congratulations tom hicks you did win something today first prize in the biggest tw@t ever your prize is a first class ticket to HELL or maybe two so your fat ed can go

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14 Oct 2010 17:32:03
Yeehah!

Rormac

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14 Oct 2010 17:31:26
Its very rare for a court to give an anti suit injunction. However i still think we need to appear in texas to oppose the injunction. This judgment will of course significanlty help. Without the Texas proceedings being stoped its likely that RBS and NEVS will still feel too exposed to permit a sale to go through. I hope I am wrong but lest see. Reality Red


{Editor's Note: I agree with RealityRed. I would expect that they will look to have a Texan judge formally set the TRO aside - or we could end up with injunction ping-pong.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:30:18
Hi all, does this now mean we can be sold now?
scouse brown


{Editor's Note: I think we still need to raech 10:00 tomorrow morning to be certain.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:27:21
Me thinks this ain't over! Anyone hear that fat lady singing yet?

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14 Oct 2010 17:26:58
Yeahhhhhh

" There's a taxi outside for a Mr Hicks and Gillett" going to Heathrow! lmao

Lee

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14 Oct 2010 17:26:51
5.21pm: Judge rules that anti-suit injunction wanted by RBS and other parties (board) against owner's action in Texas is granted. "This case has nothing to do with Texas."

f~~~ you Hicks and Gillette - Relaity Red

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14 Oct 2010 17:26:22
This has been the worst posuble day in the life of Kopite fan the waiting.
but finaly the judge puts an injunction against the texas court now we can go forward
chris 677

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:27
My Guardian page is still working. Here is a summary of the judgment. The judge has called Hicks and Gillett "conniving gangsters who have repeatedly lied their way through their ownership of the club." "They have for too long now defrauded the club and its players of their aspirations". The judges in his summing up concludes "many will see it as karma and poetic justice that these parasites will lose over $100m . Reality Red

{Editor's Note: You forgot to mention that he also said a new striker is essential in the January window - and that he himself recommends Suarez.}


Thats hilarious.

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:26
Apparently H&G are back in court in Dallas; for F**ks sake what next! !

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:24
Anti suit injunction granted!

RBS and Liverpool have WON. Well done everyone.

COME ON THE RED! !

PJ The RED

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:23
5.21pm: Judge rules that anti-suit injunction wanted by RBS and other parties (board) against owners action in Texas is granted. "This case has nothing to do with Texas."

Does this mean its all over now?

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:16
5.21pm: Judge rules that anti-suit injunction wanted by RBS and other parties (board) against owners action in Texas is granted. "This case has nothing to do with Texas."

IS THIS IT?
PIDDY

{Editor's Note: I really don't know. Obviously if they could pay off the debt still it changes things, but they can ignore the TRO from Texas. I would guess that they may still wish to put that on a table in front of a Texas judge to have him formally set the TRO aside - and that would need to be later today.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:10
5.21pm: Judge rules that anti-suit injunction wanted by RBS and other parties (board) against owners action in Texas is granted. "This case has nothing to do with Texas."

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:08
5.21pm: Judge rules that anti-suit injunction wanted by RBS and other parties (board) against owners action in Texas is granted. "This case has nothing to do with Texas."

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14 Oct 2010 17:25:08
We fukin won yes cum on get out yonks


lfc mike

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14 Oct 2010 17:24:54
5.21pm: Judge rules that anti-suit injunction wanted by RBS and other parties (board) against owners action in Texas is granted. "This case has nothing to do with Texas

What does this mean ed?

{Editor's Note: It means they can ignore what happened last night in Texas.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:24:48
Yes yes yes yes

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14 Oct 2010 17:23:54
WHATS A ANTI SUIT INJUNCTION? ??
NGS77

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14 Oct 2010 17:23:32
Anti suit injunction granted

Bridgy07

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14 Oct 2010 17:23:29
Anti suit injunction granted

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14 Oct 2010 17:23:01
Danroan
Anti suit injunction granted

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14 Oct 2010 17:21:49
My f5 key is now broke, well done ed great work.thanks from all liverpool fans.

{Editor's Note: Thanks from the Ed's.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:21:15
Can anyone may that judge talk faster i'm dying here

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14 Oct 2010 17:19:57
Still waiting for verdict


lfcmike

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14 Oct 2010 17:19:54
Floyd's taking his time. .

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14 Oct 2010 17:18:59
My Guardian page is still working. Here is a summary of the judgment. The judge has called Hicks and Gillett "conniving gangsters who have repeatedly lied their way through their ownership of the club." "They have for too long now defrauded the club and its players of their aspirations". The judges in his summing up concludes "many will see it as karma and poetic justice that these parasites will lose over $100m . Reality Red

{Editor's Note: You forgot to mention that he also said a new striker is essential in the January window - and that he himself recommends Suarez.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:16:38
What ever happens today in court, Hats off to H&G, They may not win the case, but by god thev'e been entertaining; never a dull moment.

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14 Oct 2010 17:15:02
4.56pm: Mr Justice Floyd: describes summary of high court case in owner's petition to Dallas court as "impoverished"(bankrupt) {ed's note - I wish he would hurry up and announce his ruling! I feel so so sick.}

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14 Oct 2010 17:14:37
Guardian back up now ruling expected shortly

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14 Oct 2010 17:11:31
4.56pm: Mr Justice Floyd: describes summary of high court case in owner's petition to Dallas court as "impoverished".

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14 Oct 2010 17:04:44
Refresh the page again and again if its down.

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14 Oct 2010 17:04:43
They think it's all over it is now!

ED and team outstanding coverage and opinion !

This may be the start of a new dawn, lets keep the faith. NESV don't let our famous football club!

YNWA EVER! !

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14 Oct 2010 16:59:27
Live coverage is down DX

{Editor's Note: There servers appear to be dead - probably SoS.}

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14 Oct 2010 16:57:31
Guardians page will not load ?!?!

Chris

{Editor's Note: I have the same problem - it appears to be the site rather than just the page.}

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14 Oct 2010 16:56:58
TORRES FIT TO FACE BLUEs* tE

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14 Oct 2010 16:54:45
The Guardians coverage on our case is second to none.! !

NESV all the way. Martin and the team are doing us proud . KEEP THE FAITH

YNWA EVER! ! ! ! ! ! !

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14 Oct 2010 16:49:38
All this waiting is worse than penalties.

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14 Oct 2010 16:48:22
Got to say ed, you're a bit of a legend for all this work you are doing these last few weeks and days, I'm sure we all appreciate the time and effort you go in to to provide this. Hopefully not long for this mess to be all sorted now, so I for one thank you for your time, information and insight. Thanks ed! YNWA.
el_kopite {ed's note - I have to say most of the information and insight actually comes from a different editor, one who isn't even a Liverpool fan really. But he does know his stuff and has access to some excellent resources in this area. Fingers crossed this will soon be all over. And thank you!}

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14 Oct 2010 16:48:10
Cheers ed I wasnt questioning your commitment then about if you had a season ticket I was just interested. If I ever get fed up with mine which I must admit I am starting too you can have half of the games as a reward for such a good and up to date site. cheers phil {ed's note - I have been trying my best to get my daughter interested in football so I can start taking her regularly. One day I hope she will fall in love with it just like I did.}

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14 Oct 2010 16:42:34
Just heard a crazy rumour lol. have heard the glaziers are gonna sell man u to h&g after this is all over. . believe if i should post in utd forum unbeieve if i shouldnt

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14 Oct 2010 16:42:15
Alright Ed, are you a lpool season ticket holder? do you thing gillet is staying in the background throughout all this as technically he has sold his shares so his interest is limited? {ed's note - I am not a season ticket holder mate, I started the football site originally because I was no longer able to get to games due to work and family commitments. Gillett is staying in the background because all he wants is out and has no interest in all this at all. He just wants to resolve it and get as much money back as possible, as quickly as possible.}

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14 Oct 2010 16:39:27
Have stopped on way home. laptop low on battery, and worst of all have started smoking again. yet something else to blame on those yanks.

loved the fact that h+g legal team didn't turn up. were contacted and they replied by email saying they were out of the office all day and wouldn't be attending!

honest to god. you couldnt make this up

chris 1

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14 Oct 2010 16:37:32
Sooooooooooooooooo Glad peter lim has withdrawn his half hearted bid,
But sadly it amazes me how many lfc fans would of been more than happy for him to take over purly because he was gonna invest 40 mill in january, jesus hes a swum fan,
Reap wat you sow.

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14 Oct 2010 16:37:32
No legal team from h&g at the hearing. this can only be a positive for us

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14 Oct 2010 16:34:58
According to NESV's QC, they are already the new owners. . . I hope so. . .

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14 Oct 2010 16:34:12
Decision today by 5PM, Official.
LSLFC

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14 Oct 2010 16:30:59
Break in proceedings at the High Court. Mr Justice Floyd will reveal in a few minutes if he will make a decision today. Or tomorrow. FFS! Today please! Then get the deal sorted with NESV ASAP, can't have much to sort, just crossing the t's and dotting the i's I suppose. Here's hoping we are in the hands of the new owners by the morning. . . Keep the faith redmen. YNWA
el_kopite

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14 Oct 2010 16:22:35
If H & G are worried that the club is being sold at £300m when there have been so called offers of £375m then why are they not just suing for £75m. if they think that Ambramovitch's stepbrother will buy the club for their stupid valuation of £800m then why are they not suing for £500m. Instead they are suing for $1.6b. these guys are an absolute joke. Reality Red

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14 Oct 2010 16:19:52
Macquarie bank. .

mmm can't find much on this apart from the over used term 'source'! made up rumour to scare us after the mill financial panic earlier

red snake

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14 Oct 2010 16:14:49
Dear ed,
I have just stopped for a minute and am thinking to myself how the hell have liverpool football club ended up in this nightmare. I just cannot see an end to this fathead and gillet will try anything to stay in power. well i should say fight not too lose money. I believe it is us fans who should be suing them. Keep the faith lads in the end the liverbird will rise again. Keep up the good work ed. {ed's note - join this group mate - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Liverpool-Fans-Counter-Claim/161602740534076?ref=search&v=wall }

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14 Oct 2010 16:13:58
This is in todays addition of the Dallas Morning News:

Dallas businessman Tom Hicks persuaded a state judge to halt the sale of Liverpool Football Club on Wednesday and may have gained something new in the battle: home field advantage. .State District Judge Jim Jordan agreed with the lawsuit's argument that the defendants have done enough business in North Texas to fall under a Dallas court's control.

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14 Oct 2010 16:12:39
Chris said at 14 Oct 2010 15:49:19:

"Well, this is all very confusing, have googled rule 12, and it means gobble-de-gook to me"

It is not worth looking up - it is simply to do with a motion under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 12(b) in regard to jurisdiction. RBS will argue that Texas does not have jurisdiction as the primary businesses involved are English (recoginising that the top level holding company is not) but explaining that the business runs entirely in England and asking for yesterday's uncontested Temporary Restraining Order be set aside.

Sharkey.

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14 Oct 2010 16:11:09
"Australia's Macquarie Bank has interest in lending to and investing with existing shareholders of team". Don't get why people want to ruin us, can't they see where in the bottom 3 and playing bad. We don't need this.

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14 Oct 2010 16:08:07
Australia's Macquarie Bank has interest in lending to and investing with existing shareholders of team

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14 Oct 2010 16:06:09
Just picked this up evethe aussies are trying to get in on the action

Macquarie's interest in Liverpool means funding is there for Mill Financial, and potentially even Hicks; more in SBD later

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14 Oct 2010 16:01:11
Australia's Macquarie Bank has interest in lending to and investing with existing shareholders of team.

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14 Oct 2010 15:58:18
It's really looking poor again. . Once again we'll have to wait until 25th. . Disappointing. . Hope Liverpool gets the weeks of successes. . And greed looses. . Ed, any thoughts, what can happen on 25th?

{Editor's Note: We have to see how the rest of the day and tomorrow pans out. I suspect if won't be dragging on as late as the 25th.}

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14 Oct 2010 15:57:57
Today's my bday I want my birthday wish already nsev new owners by tonight.I'm on holiday with the wife and can't stay off my mobile and the updates. god I've given up the sandy beaches of Tobago for the peace of mind. For my beloclved lfc.

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14 Oct 2010 15:54:10
Before i go and lay down in a dark room can i just say the following
1. from now on my newspaper of choice will be the guardian. tremendous coverage. compare it with the clowns on ssn.

2 any shirts i buy from now on will have any of the following on the back. broughton, lord grabiner, richard snowden, ayres, purslow

3 i need to do some work now. been awol for last two days!


chris 1

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14 Oct 2010 15:52:00
I have just spoke to a friend who lives in texas. This is not rumour but just facts about their court system. He says by granting the order it shows no willingness on the courts part to help but merely a indication of an agreed hearing later. He said hicks is no more respected there than here. He also said gillett doesn't seen to be making as big a noise about it as hicks. He told me when the court are in full light of the facts to expect a decision to go in liverpools favour. He also said to have faith in john henry as he is a well respected team owner and will do great things with the mighty pool.
Hopefull Red.

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14 Oct 2010 15:51:53
Didn't Burt Reynolds have juristictions againts him in smokey and the bandit? didn't stop him! (grabs more chewy tobacco and spits)

Chris

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14 Oct 2010 15:50:12
"This just gets weirder and weirder. So H&G have decided to totally give up on the UK courts and fight this entirely from Hicks' home state? Given the facts left out of Hicks' version of events in order to get the injunction in the first place, if it isn't upheld how would the board be in contempt of court? Surely it will be seen as baseless given the huge hole in it regarding the court case in London.

Right now it's UK High Court vs US District Court and a possible weeing contest over the Atlantic."

Alice in Wonderland is British!
RHI

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14 Oct 2010 15:49:19
Well, this is all very confusing, have googled rule 12, and it means gobble-de-gook to me

09-0214
MAE H. MCCRIMMON & LULA MAE CRETON v. BARRON TAYLOR D/ B/ A B-SURE MORTGAGE, ET AL.; from
Harris County;
1st district (01-08-00644-CV, _ _ SW3d _ _, 02-19-09, pet. denied July 2009)(motion to show authority,
unauthorized practice of law)
We hold that Greene and McZeal cannot sue as pro se "next friends" on behalf of adults who have never been
declared incompetent, and we therefore affirm the trial court's dismissal of the case.

08-0425
KENNETH J. MAGNUSON v. CITIBANK (SOUTH DAKOTA) N.A.; from Denton County; 2nd district
(02-06-00465-CV, _ _ SW3d _ _, 02-14-08, pet. denied Aug 2008)
(credit card suit, Rule 12 motion, failure to appear)

so, i am now sat with a cold beer, hoping that it may unconfuse things a little - Ed, great site, i bet your computer is on meltdown!

Here's hoping the outcome is good, and whatever happens, surely H&G, especially H, will have trouble in the future securing anything, even his cords. . here's hoping

Chris {ed's note - I never thought I would spend days on end googling legal terms and processes for a football site!}

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14 Oct 2010 15:49:13
H&G are trying desperately to buy time. They have only one option to pay RBS to stop the sale. That's the only reason that they are trying to delay the sale. I am positive that the court has no jurisdiction over the Uk court, otherwise H&G can global trot to get injections to stop the sale. Will LFC defend it's self in each and every court globally? I don't think so. We shall get a ruling that will be final soon and get the losers out once and for all.

Wipi.

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14 Oct 2010 15:39:43
Just been having fun with anagrams of
George Neild Gillette
Thomas Ollis Hicks

Gentile Ed Legit Ogler. . Well are you Ed ;-)

Masochists Oh Kill. . . . . PLEASE SOMEBODY. . ;-)

Hope this is drawing to a conclusion now {ed's note - well I am not an Israeli and there is nothing to beat a good ogle.....}

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14 Oct 2010 15:36:00
Ed, if The court case is not decided today, will Liverpool FC enter administration tommorrow morning if a there is no conclusion in court?
LSLFC {ed's note - I would doubt that we will. I would think that will only happen if decisions go against RBS.}

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14 Oct 2010 15:32:56
Who would you want to sign for LB?

Believable= Taye Taiwo
Unbelievable= Aly Cissokho

I choose Aly Cissokho

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14 Oct 2010 15:32:33
THOMAS OLLIS HICKS? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??

PPPPPPPPP MMMMMMMMM SSSSSSSSSSS LLLLLLLLLLLLL

WHAT A PRICK! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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14 Oct 2010 15:25:03
The biggest regret here is that Hicks only had to pay a $15000 bond in Dallas. When they throw his ass out they should fine him and charge him with gross negligence and contempt.
Paul

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14 Oct 2010 15:24:05
3.14pm: A lawyer from Texas emails to say:

The Board need to go to the Texas court and file a Rule 12 Motion to Show Authority.

Since the British High Court granted the board the right to conduct the affairs of the corporation(s), H&G were therefore without authority to seek a Texas TRO on behalf of KOP Holdings, et al.

Come on LFC - do all nesc to get this over with

Come on you reds

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14 Oct 2010 15:21:48
Dear Ed, Is it possible H&G know they have no chance of winning these legal battles and that it is time wasting in terms of hoping NESV may get fed up and walk away epecially if in the binding contract lpool and nesv has a date deadline?

{Editor's Note: I am sure they no they have no chance of winning everything they want but they aren't waiting for NESV to walk away. They are in the last attempts to try and secure addition funds for themselves - nothing else.}

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14 Oct 2010 15:18:35
@bensmith_times: Spoke to court clerk in Dallas who says all court rooms are empty and 'Kop Investments case' is not due to appear today

mmm so many rumours, can't wait till this is over!

last three nights have been awake (in aus) till 3am watching the updates - i can't look away!

red snake

{Editor's Note: They are in court in Texas at present and will probably be back again later today for RBS to try and have the TRO set aside.}

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14 Oct 2010 15:15:00
Texas court didn't know that the high court ruled in favour of RBS

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14 Oct 2010 15:14:06
Looks like left and right used exactly the same argument in texas as they did in london and made vitually no referenec to having been defeated already. If so then the first verdict will stand. .london's.
they have also made false statements saying broughton was restored to the board when, in fact it was only purslow and ayre. .thatd be false testimony to court as well as to us then ha they are just class arent they.
they will aslo have a hard job convincing anyone of their market value for the club when it has been up for sale for six months the board have seen over 130 ideas and arrived at only two serious bids. Lim has now gone after ensuring he got his scrap of publicity and we are left with true market value; what anyone is willing to pay. .and that will be NESV.
h&g have managed to draw battle lines with lfc fans, staff, players probably, local businesses, liverpool city council, had questions raised in the hoc by an mp, architects, banks and the international court and judicial system, radio presenters, tv presenters, texas rangers fans, ice hockey as a whole, shopping malls (u.s.), shopping streets (uk), the united arab emirates, dubai, zazoom the donkey from the arabian knights, car park attendants and the butty man who serves me my full english.
class. .you can't buy it, even on tick.
Losers
ywwa

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14 Oct 2010 15:11:49
"Court proceedings interrupted: it seems H&G are currently in court in Dallas arguing Lfc board were in contempt of US court y'day!"

How could they be in contempt. They were done in court yesterday pre noon CST(+06.00 hrs) time. Hicks got TRO at 2.25 pm or at 8.25 GMT. Liverpool F.C.'s board meeting started at 8.00 GMT or 2.00 CST. YNWA.

Paul

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14 Oct 2010 15:10:29
Guy's
Ive been watching SSN and are they all totally FN stupid?
talking about Lim's proposal and Lim then issuing a statement saying LFC board not interested in his offer!
Just to put things right. If the board have accepted an offer for sale and this has been agreed and a intent statement has been issued then this is a binding statement and LFC are not to look at other offers unless NESV pullout or some issue is found in the contract.
Now that is just simple business dealings
again these are my thoughts.
chris677

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14 Oct 2010 15:09:00
Ed is the last roll of the dice for hicks and gillette, (not that its going to do them any good). by the end of the week could it be game over for dumb and dumber.

always a red

{Editor's Note: Could be in terms of ownership of the club. They may well go after RBS for damages if they can substantiate Clause 47 in their deposition as a separate issue.}

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14 Oct 2010 15:08:45
I guess the time in Dallas, TX now should be somewhere around 9am. is it true they are in a court over there. Ed?

{Editor's Note: Yes and Yes.}

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14 Oct 2010 15:08:43
This just gets weirder and weirder. So H&G have decided to totally give up on the UK courts and fight this entirely from Hicks' home state? Given the facts left out of Hicks' version of events in order to get the injunction in the first place, if it isn't upheld how would the board be in contempt of court? Surely it will be seen as baseless given the huge hole in it regarding the court case in London.

Right now it's UK High Court vs US District Court and a possible weeing contest over the Atlantic.

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14 Oct 2010 15:06:00
KUYT only out for 3 to 4 weeks

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14 Oct 2010 15:03:28
What's the latest ed?should we worry about the 2 clowns being in a dallas court?!?

{Editor's Note: You shouldn't worry too much about any of this - just let it run its course and see where we are tomorrow lunchtime.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:59:47
According to SSN, judge at high court seems "sympathetic" to RBS and LFC, and unimpressed with H&G. H&G not represented. Their lawyers are currently in court in Texas accusing LFC and RBS of contempt of court because of last night board meeting. When news of this reached the high court, it was greeted with laughter.

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14 Oct 2010 14:58:13
Ed, do you think the takeover deal can be done by tonight? Thanks.

{Editor's Note: It is possible that if all goes well in court here, and NESV have the right people to agree a deal, and nothing untoward happens at a likely second hearing in Texas later today, and nothing comes out of the woodwork later this evening (a la Mill Financial), then I would expect that agreement could be reached tonight. In terms of when the takeover itself happens if this is all OK, I can't see it before the debts becoming due at 10:00 tomorrow morning.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:57:15
Hopefully commital proceeding swill be commenced against Hicks. A weekend in Walton prison would be perfect. Reality Red

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14 Oct 2010 14:56:24
By all accounts it seems to be foing well in court lads.Should be over soon

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14 Oct 2010 14:56:16
Expect War to break out between the UK and US in the next week. .

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14 Oct 2010 14:55:26
Hi ed, feel terribly stupid this morning. Yesterday got drunk celebrating and more drunk on bad news of injunction. To cut the long story short, I sent email to Obama. As far as I can remember it was respectful so I don't expect the police to come knocking on the door. But as far as I remember , except telling him about LFC and the situation, I also went into socialism, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles and UFO disclousare.
Feel utterly stupid but that's what happens when you down 2 bottles of vodka.
RHI {ed's note - didn't a kid get arrested and banned from the US for life for sending Obama an email recently?}

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14 Oct 2010 14:49:45
14 Oct 2010 14:26:24
14 Oct 2010 14:01:43
Wat tym is da court hearing.? {ed's note - now.}

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. .Da ting iz now innit!
Seriously, do you have to abbreviate a four letter word?

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Dude i was not in at that moment and was using my phone at that TIME(just for u mate). and i guess that we have a bigger issue to look at other than you pointing out my silly mistakes.
get a grip idiot.

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14 Oct 2010 14:47:28
Can't believe Lim, he knew NESV had a binding agreement. He should have given his best offer while he had the chance.

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14 Oct 2010 14:47:01
14 Oct 2010 14:14:26
Hicks an gillette lawyers yet to show up in court, admission of defeat maybe?

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Nope.

Apparently Gicks haven't made a submission to the appeal court ( although I'm not sure if there is a time limitation on that ) so my guess is that they've given up on winning this in the UK and are trying again on home soil ( both RBS/ NESV have interests in Texas so they can't just ignore the injunction )

Z, please lets just get this over with and stuff the toffees

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14 Oct 2010 14:41:45
Lim gone yahoo! Ed will we be owned by nesv tonite I'm workin all day can't keep up.where are hicks and gillette? {ed's note - it is hard to say mate, I would expect the Texan injunction to be dismissed by the High Court today though. It doesn't seem to have any merits to keep it in place, it has merely gone on the word of H&G, we all know how reliable that is!}

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14 Oct 2010 14:40:38
Singapore businessman Peter Lim withdraws bid to buy the club
BBC -
Looks like they are all falling down by sides

Lets hope H&G does the same - Well they will not - Hope Court will decide for them

Come on you reds

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14 Oct 2010 14:40:22
Ed! just read Lim is pulling out of bidding. . does it means that he is conceding defeat. .

{Editor's Note: I hope so - there are a couple of other options but we won't go there right now.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:37:26
Lim has pulled out of bidding! Game over chuckle brothers!

YNWA!

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14 Oct 2010 14:36:42
Peter Lim withdraws offer for LFC

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14 Oct 2010 14:34:50
Lim has pulled out of bidding? i don't know why im putting this on here lol, as im sure we are all getting it online anyway

chris

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14 Oct 2010 14:34:46
"Peter Lim withdraws his bid". . Dan Roan bbc
best news heard all day, the one thing worse than these clown being in charge would be a utd fan in charge

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14 Oct 2010 14:34:19
Lim has pulled out of any takeover.

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14 Oct 2010 14:30:57
ED, has the Gaurdian been a friend of LFC and their fans over the years. I'm impressed with their coverage although I haven't been a reader. Is this a publication I could enjoy in the future?

{Editor's Note: It has always been a well respected paper - but the Grauniad was known for typos at one time.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:26:24
14 Oct 2010 14:01:43
Wat tym is da court hearing.? {ed's note - now.}

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. .Da ting iz now innit!
Seriously, do you have to abbreviate a four letter word?

Editor's Note: tinyurl.com/325zy84 if you wish to follow it.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:15:06
Well I have predicted that NESV will be the owner of LFC by midnight tonight, I suggested this on a facebook fan page. I so hope to god that I was right!

ed, any idea of how long this one will take? {ed's note - it shouldn't take long, less than an hour I would say for this court hearing.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:14:26
Hicks an gillette lawyers yet to show up in court, admission of defeat maybe?

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14 Oct 2010 14:11:19
As much as i don't like them i do believe that H&G have been shafted. the club had a managable debt however due to rafa caring more about the CL than the league that is the reason we have defaulted and amassed so much interest. blame rafa he had the money he spent it on poor players and built a team that wasnt good enough to make 4th. the owners have backed him all the way. 18m for aqua, 17m for johnson. i know that was money from the alonso deal but at least they let him have all of it. did they accept that 60m bidfor torres from chelsea last year when they knew they needed the money - no. the bottom line is yes they may have put the club into debt (or the holding co whatever) but if rafa had spent well, promoted youth instead of wasting millions of their money on inadequate players then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Ps. they promised us a new stadium but who would have knew that construction costs would double inside 6 months.

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14 Oct 2010 14:11:17
Do you kno how long the hearing is goin to be ed will it be a short or long one yeh reckon? jaybee {ed's note - it should be over quickly, an hour or so should be all it takes.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:10:15
Bbc reporting that Hicks lawyers have not turned up to this afternoon's hearing. Either they have not been paid or more likely than not they have realised that they will get mashed and turning up just emphasises that they have acceded to the UK Courts 's jurisdiction. Reality Red

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14 Oct 2010 14:06:51
I'd love to see the figures for the amount of hits this has gained the Guardian website. Their coverage has been top-notch.

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14 Oct 2010 14:04:11
So apparently Hicks has NOT sold his shares to Mills Financial/ Springfield/ Homer simpson.

My guess is that Judge Floyd will say that the Texas injunction will not stand, and LFC will be sold to NESV by the end of the day

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14 Oct 2010 14:01:43
Wat tym is da court hearing.? {ed's note - now.}

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14 Oct 2010 14:00:56
Ed They in court now? n who there you kno? jaybee {ed's note - they are in court now, I don't know who is there, I am hoping someone I know has managed to get there though!}

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14 Oct 2010 13:56:39
Ed

So, we simply wait for the Judge in the High Court to confirm that the Texan TRO has no significance or influence and we can move on.

Rormac

{Editor's Note: I expect taht they will also try and set it aside in the States.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:54:19
Ed here are some quotes from an article on reuters quoting UK lawyers

Graham Shear, a partner at Berwin Leighton Paisner, described the Texas ruling as a "fairly desperate bid by Hicks and Gillett to prevent the sale. "It's a slightly bizarre occurrence and think it will disappear pretty quickly, probably within 24 hours, " Shear told Reuters. "I understand why a potential purchaser and RBS would be concerned about a U.S. court getting involved and will want it dealt with quickly.

Matt Taylor, a lawyer at Eversheds, told Reuters: "It is surprising that a Texan Court would have proper jurisdiction to interfere with either the corporate governance of an English company or with contracts which are likely to contain clauses granting exclusive jurisdiction to the English Courts. "However, the board of Liverpool will not be able to complete the reported sale to NESV without being in breach of the temporary injunction granted and therefore will need to take urgent action to deal with this latest development.

"As well as seeking to overturn the temporary injunction itself, the board is likely to be seeking urgent legal advice on how to stop the Texan proceedings in their entirety . . possibly bringing an anti-suit injunction in the High Court seeking to enjoin the owners from continuing with legal action in Texas."


Reality Red

{Editor's Note: I agree with what is being said - as I responded to a previous post, I expect that there will be a case heared today in the US to attempt to set the TRO aside.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:51:48
Hicks= a proven bad debtor. .in an american court.
Gillette= a proven bead debtor lost his shares to Mill capital because he defaulted on his debt to them so they essentially own his half of the club.

texas rangers previously owned, dragged through the courts and run down and attemptedly assett stripped by hicks (how many in texas will like him for that?) until he lost, in court, again, oh and again, oh and again!

both have defaulted and had to pay financial penalties to RBS already in relation to the aquisition debt for lfc.

RBS=UK government and tax payer owned international financial institution who will charge you £32 for going 1p overdrawn and carry influence, power and a h*cking lot of clout. .and who are in fact the injured party due to left and right (testicles) defaulting again.
yes american courts do focus on the financial but yes too they have only yet heard one side of the argument.

Anyone ever seen a total orchiectomy?

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14 Oct 2010 13:48:16
Ed! Maybe you can enlighten everyone including myself. If these alledged rumours say Hicks has sold his shares to Mill, than how on earth can he take out an injuction if he is no longer the owner?

{Editor's Note: The injunction from yesterday and it made clear that the owners are Hicks and Gillett. We know that Gillett has used all or some of his shares as collateral for a loan that he has defaulted on and that those shares now effectively belong to Mill Financial. However, those shares in Kop Investment have not been transferred, at least as of close of play yesterday, to anyone else. After a good point raised by RealityRed earlier, I have been trying (so far unsuccessfully) to find out if there is a lien on the shares. Hicks representatives have said on several occasions this morning that his shares have "not been sold" to Mill Financial. The case to try and set aside yesterday's TRO is about to start. It is most likly that a similar hearing will happen later today in the United States - most probaby Texas.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:46:49
I agree with the statement underneath ive had enuf my heads wrecked. . . . . . . . . . . just about to expload. . . . . . . . it a f. . . . . . . . . . . circus my beloved endin up like this that hicks an gillett i tel u now i wil love it wen we beat them love it. . . . .hopefully a positive jugement 2pm but wat then. . . . . . . hicks to appeal. . . . . . i can't take any more. . . . . . adminstration any1 knw is that still possiable?? ?? ?? ?? ? red for ever. f. . the yonks wa. . . . . sssssssssssss

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14 Oct 2010 13:46:47
Ed. if you think you are getting confused then spare a thought for me. I have trawled through Robert Peston site on bbc, , read some of the comments people are making there. mostly bankers etc, have trawled through websites for 160th courts , in fact have read anything and everything. end result is that i havent got a bloody clue whtas going on anymore. at this rate i shall just be glad to have at least a club left to play everton this weekend

chris 1
ps. i think you deserve at least a drink (or 2) after the last few days)

{Editor's Note: Hicks' representative has said that Hicks' shares have "not been sold" to Mill Financial.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:45:23
Just to take ppl minds off this head wreaking bollox h&g are putting us through who thinks raffa got shafted after fighting for us over the past couple of years on and off the field we now know what he had to deal with do u think it was bad that he got sacked or do any of u feel now that we had a manager who loved the club and city so much and was probly just exhausted from constantly fighting for our best intrests that's why we done so bad last season choose belivable if u wood like raffa still here and unbelivable if ur glad he's gone

Totally agree with this, however I believe he left via mutual consent and was not sacked, basically I think he'd had enough tho.
Kopitetillidie

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14 Oct 2010 13:44:54
Just to take ppl minds off this head wreaking bollox h&g are putting us through who thinks raffa got shafted after fighting for us over the past couple of years on and off the field we now know what he had to deal with do u think it was bad that he got sacked or do any of u feel now that we had a manager who loved the club and city so much and was probly just exhausted from constantly fighting for our best intrests that's why we done so bad last season choose belivable if u wood like raffa still here and unbelivable if ur glad he's gone

I always believed that Rafa intentionally lost our top 4 placing last year not to hurt the club but to start the end of H&G. The massive loss of Champions' League revenue contributed substantially to the inability to make repayments as well as reduce any bargaining power to refinance. Does anyone agree with me? Believable if you do.

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14 Oct 2010 13:39:46
Just a quick 1 have tom and jerry done this texas injunction against liverpool because nesv are from america hence they would be breaking the law over there meaning that h&g could suie them in america that's why the court case is being held today to see if john h would be safe to proceed if this is the case peter lim aint from there meaning the texas law has no hold what so ever and they can only get the board and rbs if they ever go to america i can see this getting very messy indeed

lfcmike

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14 Oct 2010 13:38:18
The legal position is that the texas restraining order is not binding on uk court and the sale can go ahead if all parties want to anyway. the problem is that because rbs and nevs have interests in america they do not want to go behind it without a further declaratory judgement as hicks will sue for loss in usa citing breach of injunction. on the daily telegraphs webpage there is a pic of the order and it is based solely on hicks` affidavit and it is merely a holding order until the matter can be investigated further.this will lead to hicks trying to find further stooges to put up sham bids to up the price in an auction.

kluge

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14 Oct 2010 13:38:01
Has Grandpa Simpson passed the fit and proper test?

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14 Oct 2010 13:35:00
Been in the company of agent barry s, this is what he tells me should happen come jan?. LFC wolfswinkel, bentley and mata MUFC gourcoff (spelling) one goalkeeper and possibley benzema THFC if benzema does not sign for utd he may join on loan due to van der vaart's constant txts and phone calls, wickham plus the return of woodgate and also richards one other liverpool rumour is johnson from city but not the england international, hope it helps and your all happy

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14 Oct 2010 13:30:41
As some of us have said this morning, everyone needs to calm down! You'll have a heart attack! Guardian still reporting that Mill have NOT bought Hicks' shares:

"12.58pm: Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks remains in control of his share of the club and has not sold out to Mill Financial, Press Association Sport reports.

Reports this morning suggested the hedge fund, a branch of Washington-based Springfield Financial, had acquired the Texan's 50% share having already taken ownership of his fellow co-owner George Gillett's half.
However, a UK-based spokesman for Tom Hicks told Press Association Sport Mill Financial had not acquired Hicks' shares."

Everyone grab a beer/ drink and just sit back and watch it all unfold like a great movie. The next round starts at 2pm UK time.

Did I not say that the directors/ RBS would go back to the UK court to remove the injunction and possibly (it hasn't been confirmed yet) attempt to get a permanent stay of the US proceedings? By arguing the merits of the case, H & G have already accepted UK jurisdiction, so it will be difficult for them to argue that the UK is not the appropriate forum for the case.

Aussie LFC YNWA!

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14 Oct 2010 13:28:03
Just to take ppl minds off this head wreaking bollox h&g are putting us through who thinks raffa got shafted after fighting for us over the past couple of years on and off the field we now know what he had to deal with do u think it was bad that he got sacked or do any of u feel now that we had a manager who loved the club and city so much and was probly just exhausted from constantly fighting for our best intrests that's why we done so bad last season choose belivable if u wood like raffa still here and unbelivable if ur glad he's gone

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14 Oct 2010 13:26:10
{ed's note - I am getting more and more confused, as I understand it H&G are making a complete mess of things and are clearly in breach of contracts. Mill are unable to take control of the shares anyway, anything more than 10% would mean they would have to go public or be in breach of FA rules. They also need to pass the fit and proper person test, which they have not even notified the FA of the need to do so. This whole thing is getting more and more insane by the second.}
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Did you expect anything less ED? Did anyone think when we won the court case yesterday that would be it?

I think Hicks has released his statement saying he still retains his 50% of LFC because IF he had sold them to Mill Financial like Reality Red (great post) said is "gross negligence" of the undertakings and contracts H&G signed in April and could probably be liable.

Blair Mayne YNWA

{Editor's Note: That is why the worry is that they have not taken control of the shares yet but provide the money to clear the debt to the banks - removing them from the picture. This would leave the way open for due process to be followed. A good question would be why wait until the death to do this - if it is true?}

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14 Oct 2010 13:21:05
Ed if mill is a front for kenny huang hasnt he done the fa fit and proper test

{Editor's Note: Huang would never have been subject to a fit and propoer test.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:17:58
Ed it seems this Liverpool saga will continue long after the 15th October but do you think the Premiership will give Liverpool a break and not take 9pts? What do you think will happen Ed? {ed's note - when West Ham's parent company folded they received no points deduction whatsoever. But they are a London club, Southampton suffered deductions for the same thing. So it is impossible to say - but I wouldn't trust the FA to go easy on us.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:16:31
Hi Ed I'm a bit lost on all this can u help me out my heads wreaked , if buy tomorro at 10.00 am rbs hasn't been paid buy h&g are we ok and if we get the right outcome in court today are we ok does amy of these two questions mean that if we get the right outcome in one of these we can sell the club to nesv cheers {ed's note - I am sorry mate but I can't give you a definitive answer as it is in the hands of the courts now. The fact that it is courts involved has muddied the waters even more and made it more difficult to find out exactly what will happen. It does seem that if we get the right outcome in court today then we will be owned by NESV.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:15:45
Henry has got his finger on the button now to send over the £200m to RBS the minute the judge declares it is safe to do so!

Did we really expect an easy ride?

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14 Oct 2010 13:13:11
Keep the faith! There is a binding agreement in place to sell to NESV according to JH and which the High Court will confirm this p.m. If H&G try and sell to another party then that must violate this agreement - so can anyone believe Mill or anyone would buy out Hicks and pay off RBS, in the knowledge they are violating UK law?

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14 Oct 2010 13:12:32
Ed, three more thoughts on this. (1) I am having difficulty understanding how a shareholder (Gillette) could pledge his shares as collateral for a loan from Mill Financial when those shares were up for sale as part of a separate agreement to repay another loan; (2) as Fabian Treeze has posted "if Hicks has sold his shares to Mill Financial then he is in breach of his undertaking to RBS (again) by intervening in the sales process". This would be a 3rd breach of his undertaking (the restraining order in Texas was also a breach of his undertaking not to interfere in the sales process) and (3) if someone breaches an undertaking enforced by a court order as Hicks has repeatedly done then the other side is entitled to have him brought before the court for contempt of court. This is a criminal offence liable to imprisonment at Her Majesty's pleasure. My hope is that at this afternoon (i) the judge confirms that the Texas injunction is not binding (ii) the judge orders Hicks to appear before the court for contempt and (iii) shortly thereafter the club gets the Texas order lifted. {ed's note - I am getting more and more confused, as I understand it H&G are making a complete mess of things and are clearly in breach of contracts. Mill are unable to take control of the shares anyway, anything more than 10% would mean they would have to go public or be in breach of FA rules. They also need to pass the fit and proper person test, which they have not even notified the FA of the need to do so. This whole thing is getting more and more insane by the second.}

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14 Oct 2010 13:11:53
Hicks released a statement saying he still owns his shares and Mill Financial don't have them. I was wondering how he can do that considering he has put an injunction against the sale of the club which would mean he can't sell his shares as then the club would be sold and he himself put a block to any sale!

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14 Oct 2010 13:11:48
12.58pm: Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks remains in control of his share of the club and has not sold out to Mill Financial, Press Association Sport reports.

come on you reds

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14 Oct 2010 13:11:15
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ED IS
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mill financial have no interest in owning liverpool they
have brought gilletts shares and possibly brought hicks shares for same reason.
they will pay off loan leaving r.b.s.out of picture and broughton powerless to sell n.e.v.s.will not be new owners and a mystry bidder putting the money up and useing mill financial as go between to gain control of liverpool will buy the club from them at a profit for mill financial for the work they have done .
QUESTION IS WHO ARE THEY. . . . . . .

{Editor's Note: But this would likely leave a number of parties open to being sued by NEVS - and possibly Lim as well.}

sky sports interview confirming on tv now as i type what i posted 30 mins ago if we do get a judgement that puts this to bed N.E.S.V. will need to pay R.B.S.
and do deal befor mill financial do

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14 Oct 2010 13:10:49
Breaking News - Tom Hicks has retained his shares in LFC and HAS NOT sold them to Mill Financial. It appears this is/ was a meaningless rumour strangely perpetuated by the BBC et al.

Source - Press Association

And breathe. . . .

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14 Oct 2010 13:06:37
Just watching skysports talking of mill financial buying hicks shares R.B.S.can not confirm if deal has happened

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14 Oct 2010 13:05:03
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks remains in control of his share of the club and has not sold out to Mill Financial, Press Association Sport has been told.

Reports on Thursday morning suggested the hedge fund, a branch of Washington-based Springfield Financial, had acquired the Texan's 50 per cent share having already taken ownership of his fellow co-owner George Gillett's half.

However, a UK-based spokesman for Tom Hicks told Press Association Sport Mill Financial had not acquired Hicks' shares.
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Hope this helps?

Blair Mayne YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 13:03:14
Can everyone read this and stop worrying

. . . .12.58pm: Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks remains in control of his share of the club and has not sold out to Mill Financial, Press Association Sport reports.


Reports this morning suggested the hedge fund, a branch of Washington-based Springfield Financial, had acquired the Texan's 50% share having already taken ownership of his fellow co-owner George Gillett's half.
However, a UK-based spokesman for Tom Hicks told Press Association Sport Mill Financial had not acquired Hicks' shares.

this is the latest. . .


SI

YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 13:02:42
Press Association reporting Hicks' spokesman denying stories of Mills ownership. Looks like someone is p*ssing themselves at the moment.

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14 Oct 2010 13:01:16
Whens the whole mess going 2 sorted once and for all?? 2mro after court? with kuyt out injured who going 2 play RW?

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14 Oct 2010 13:00:41
Ed is the ECHO not a reliable source? {ed's note - it always used to be reliable in the past, so I would still consider it reliable myself.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:56:20
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ED IS
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mill financial have no interest in owning liverpool they
have brought gilletts shares and possibly brought hicks shares for same reason.
they will pay off loan leaving r.b.s.out of picture and broughton powerless to sell n.e.v.s.will not be new owners and a mystry bidder putting the money up and useing mill financial as go between to gain control of liverpool will buy the club from them at a profit for mill financial for the work they have done .
QUESTION IS WHO ARE THEY. . . . . . .

{Editor's Note: But this would likely leave a number of parties open to being sued by NEVS - and possibly Lim as well.}

please explain why ed {ed's note - I am not the editor who posted that, but he has far more knowledge of this area than me so I will post up his answer as soon as I get it.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:54:16
14 Oct 2010 12:29:08
Can sombody tell me why john henry does not go straight to rbs and give them there money and then gain control of the club that way kopfiend 1978 YNWA

{Editor's Note: Because he would have paid the debts but not have the shares - Hicks and Gillett have those.}

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yes ed but the point is he will own the debt and hicks and gillett will now owe them the money not R.B.S.
so tomorrow when loan is not paid they will own liverpool football club

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14 Oct 2010 12:54:11
Just been on the "160th judicial court Dallas" web site & the email address has been removed!
For what its worth I've been sending emails to Houston media groups & politicians explaining that Tom Hicks is a disgrace to Texans everywhere.
What more can we do?

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14 Oct 2010 12:48:40
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Current news headlines still stating that the Liverpool board are still due in high court at 2 o'clock to decide whether the injunction from the Texan court had any duristiction here in the UK. .If they decide it does not then the board can finally sell to NESV! I doubt that RBS or even Mill finance would actually proceed knowing that in less than 2 hours a London High court will probably rule their actions invalid?!. . Surely Ed this is plain obvious logic?. . and surely H&G are hoping and counting on RBS just giving up and just accepting what their owed and letting them get their way by doing things their way rather than what we the fans wanted?!. .I'm begining to think these two idiots actions are aimed at us now! . .

{Editor's Note: This afternoon will be about trying to set aside the Temporary Restraining Order and nothing else. I have no feeling for what will happen. The question remains simply whether Mill Financial are interested in, willing to or able to pay off the debts owed to RBS and Wachovia before 09:59 tomorrow morning. If they do - what happens next?}

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ED IS
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mill financial have no interest in owning liverpool they
have brought gilletts shares and possibly brought hicks shares for same reason.
they will pay off loan leaving r.b.s.out of picture and broughton powerless to sell n.e.v.s.will not be new owners and a mystry bidder putting the money up and useing mill financial as go between to gain control of liverpool will buy the club from them at a profit for mill financial for the work they have done .
QUESTION IS WHO ARE THEY. . . . . . .

{Editor's Note: But this would likely leave a number of parties open to being sued by NEVS - and possibly Lim as well.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:47:15
It's a little strange that whilst BBC Robert Peston has been pushing the Mill story (since 10:30 this morning), Sky's Mark Kleinmann, who broke the NESV story, has yet to report it. Indeed, Sky haven't metioned it at all.

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14 Oct 2010 12:39:13
Nesv are also in the sameworld of business as mill financial and H+G, namely they also are big boys and surely they have a plan b for something like this. whilst accepting that to these pariahs we are nothing more than a commodity to be bought and sold for whatever profit they can get.NESV swim in the same world and have a sneaking feeling they have had there fair share of financial dirty fighting as employed by H+G
I am not meaning to slur NESV by any means, more to hope that they have the will and muscle for a stand up fight. Surely to god they must have known what hicks was like and at least tried to plan for dirty tricks.

chris 1

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14 Oct 2010 12:37:05
According to latest news reports on all channels Mill Financial are now the sole shareholder in Liverpool FC having bought out the 25% debt-share held by Wells Fargo, already held Gillett's share and now hold the 50% that Hicks held. Accordingly, provided they stump up 200M plus fees to RBS by no later than 10:00am tomorrow then they will be the legal owners of Liverpool.

Pantomime and the FA needs to get a grip otherwise it isn't actually serving any purpose.

RED LENIN
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14 Oct 2010 12:34:37
Yesterday's court hearing was all carried out in relation to the debt owed by Kop Football (Holdings) Limited. If Mill Financial were going to declare an interest as owners this would have been done prior to yesterdays court hearing. So does anyone possibly belief that any investor would come in at the 11th hour and risk losing all that Laurel & Hardy have already been told they're about to lose? No chance! RBS have been the dictators in how this whole thing is going to pan out, and they and Broughton will have the UK legal aspects tied up, while Henry will now look after legal matters US side. Jurisdiction will win the day. As Broughton says, keep the faith and enjoy watching those 2 b* * * s squirm and squeal all the way to financial ruin.

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14 Oct 2010 12:34:05
In response to

The dallas observer blog has reported haveing thousands of angry emails from liverpool fans about this latest action from hicks.
judge jordan the guy that granted the restraining order has had his face book page closed down and the phone line to the texas court is unavaliable i wonder why

andy m

Yeah but I really don't think that type of action is doing us any favours whatsoever. Let the lawyers handle it.

Col

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14 Oct 2010 12:34:02
Ed, correct me if I am wrong, but if Hicks sells his shares to Mill Financial has he not breached his undertakings to RBS (again) by intervening in the sales process.

Fabian Treezle

{Editor's Note: Possibly - but they would need to sue. Interestingly enough, if H&G do sell to Mill then I would expect that NESV could sue them.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:32:23
Bottom line is , the club will eventually change hands , a we will be rid og Hicks! ! as long as who ever takes over has money or the ability to get money and spend it on building a good squad . then im happy. .if the squad is crap , and we keep playing crap, and winning nothing well then it doesn't matter he owns it.
we need new players . and we need to start playing good football. that is key to our success

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14 Oct 2010 12:31:23
Ed the share sale to Mill Financial is a red herring. No one in their right mind would pay £300m for shares when the assets are charged to RBS. Mill Financial's alledged agreement to buy the shares will inevitably be conditional on RBS releasing the assets on Mill Financial repaying RBS's debt. If Mill Financial come knocking on the door to RBS and says release these assets as we have an agreement with H & G to buy their shares in return for paying off your loan, RBS is not in a position to agree to accept payment from Mill Financial and release the assets. Why, because there is already a deal in place with NEVS which RBS has approved and is binding. This is what is really pissing of H & G. From the moment the deal with NEVS was agreed last week H & G lost their ownership of the club. RBS and Broughton thankfully beat them to the punch. It is too late for them to achieve a sale to someone else unless they can show that the board did not have authority to enter into such a sale. They failed in their attempt to achieve this at yesterday's hearing. All this Mill Financial stuff and the offers mentioned at yesterday's hearing are designed to build up a case for H & G to sue RBS for damages for permitting Broughton to sell at an undervalue. RBS and Broughton have seen this coming for months which is why a rigorous sales process has been conducted over the last 3 months. What is ultimately of critical importance is firstly do the board have authority to sell and the answer to this is clearly yes as shown at yesterday's hearing and secondly whether the decision taken by the independent board to sell to NEVS was correct at the time it entered into a binding agreement with NEVS. At this point there had been a 3 month sales process. There were only two very similar bids on the table by parties who had done their dd and seeing as there was only 9 days until a default situation, I would suggest that the board's decision to sell to NEVS will be seen by any competent court as a properly justified at the time it was made. Even if we get 10 billion dollar bids today it changes nothing. Reality Red

{Editor's Note: As I said earlier, I appreciate your opinion on this and I agree with many of your points, but overall I will have to agree to disagree on the potential outcome of this matter. As I have have said it is simply rumour about Mill Financial, but I understand that it comes originally from a very reliable source. Matters should be clearer by 10:00 tomorrow. Personally, I am 100% supportive of the sale to NESV, but we must consider all options. As you are aware, there are many fans questioning what is going on.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:29:43
I have to say ed you are full of s* t. You clearly don't have a clue and are going on rumour i have to agree with reality red.MILL will not be the new owners fact, there is a contract in place by the board to sell to nesv and permssion was given yesterday by the high court. H&G went to a district court which is the smallest court you can go to usually for small crimes driving offences etc.please stop scaremongoring at 2pm today at the high court the judge will dismiss the temporary restraining order and it doesn't matte how many shares the think they sold it won't happen for mill financial so editor stop pretending you know whar youre on about and stop bluffing on here PLEASE post this
cd

{Editor's Note: You clearly have not been reading the posts - I have said repeatedly that this is a rumour.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:29:08
Can sombody tell me why john henry does not go straight to rbs and give them there money and then gain control of the club that way kopfiend 1978 YNWA

{Editor's Note: Because he would have paid the debts but not have the shares - Hicks and Gillett have those.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:26:34
The court papers filed in Texas yesterday list the owners as H&G. If Gillett's share passed on to Mill when he defaulted on his loan to them, why are Mill not listed as part owners?

{Editor's Note: My understanding is the shares have not been transferred to Mill at this time such that they can retain future leverage.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:26:03
Whos next

Dwight Schar

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14 Oct 2010 12:24:14
Is the echo not a reliable source then?

{Editor's Note: I have no idea - but at one point this morning they switched tack completely.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:23:58
Just a thought but given that Hicks has resorted to underhand legal acton in the US courts, why don't we Liverpool fans do the same? If someone can get $1mn for spilling hot coffee on themselves from McDonalds, surely there is some merit in thousands of Liverpool fans launching a class action against H&G. I'm sure that there is an argument that as custodians of the club, they owe the fans a duty of care and that they have breached that duty by the way they have conducted themselves recently which as led to fans suffering unwarranted stress. If we can get enough fans together, how about a $1bn lawsuit?

If there are any Livepool fans who are lawyers in the US who could help put a law suit together, that might put a cat amongst the pidgeons.

* Breach pf verbal contract, spade in the ground and all that bellecks.

{Editor's Note: You have lost the plot on this I am afraid.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:14:58
Current news headlines still stating that the Liverpool board are still due in high court at 2 o'clock to decide whether the injunction from the Texan court had any duristiction here in the UK. .If they decide it does not then the board can finally sell to NESV! I doubt that RBS or even Mill finance would actually proceed knowing that in less than 2 hours a London High court will probably rule their actions invalid?!. . Surely Ed this is plain obvious logic?. . and surely H&G are hoping and counting on RBS just giving up and just accepting what their owed and letting them get their way by doing things their way rather than what we the fans wanted?!. .I'm begining to think these two idiots actions are aimed at us now! ! . .

{Editor's Note: This afternoon will be about trying to set aside the Temporary Restraining Order and nothing else. I have no feeling for what will happen. The question remains simply whether Mill Financial are interested in, willing to or able to pay off the debts owed to RBS and Wachovia before 09:59 tomorrow morning. If they do - what happens next?}

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14 Oct 2010 12:12:37
If nesv have that much money why don't they up there bid to stop all this and so tom and jerry can piss off if they want one of the best clubs in the world whitch i think is worth more than 300 mil so bad cough up and get them tossers out before one of them get hurt


lfcmike

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14 Oct 2010 12:11:36
Ed, it would be nothing short of gross negligence for a loan of this size not to also include the security of a share charge. Even without a share charge, the point is that the club's directors have been empowered to sell the club and have already entered into a binding agreement with NEVS with RBS's approval as lender. This contract with NEVS predates any contract involving Mill Financial. As such a court will give the NEVS contract precedence. H & G only remedy can be damages (which they will need to prove). A sale to Mill Financial is yet a further breach of H & G's undertakings not to interfere with a sale process which undertook to place into the hands of Broughton. Reality Red

{Editor's Note: If you are correct then this will be "nipped in the bud" without doubt. It seems that by your reckoning nobody checked last week to see if there were any charges on the shares when Gillett exchanged his for an unpaid loan with Mill Financial. If you are right, this rumour will be finished any time now then.} I believe the above to be correct!

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14 Oct 2010 12:11:36
"14 Oct 2010 12:01:46
"14 Oct 2010 11:33:09
So now the latest is the suggestion that Mill could be a front for another bidder who wants to swoop at the 11th hour. Assuming the PL needs the 10 days for change of ownership, could this be a bidder who has already shown interest and applied for such clearance?

Either way, it's make or break. If it's another business looking to saddle us with debt i think the fans need to carry out their actions of a boycott rather than simply making nice banners.

{Editor's Note: Mills are not new players particularly - it was them looking to finance Hicks a couple of weeks ago.}"

Sorry Ed, i think you slightly misunderstood my question. I know who Mill are, but i was asking about the hypothesis that they are fronting for another bidder. i.e what are the chances that they are already known to us?

{Editor's Note: It is still a rumour, but if it were true they may already have a buyer lined up - they will not be "fronting for anyone else".}"

That's what i meant. Companies who take control in a roundabout manner, using 3rd parties to act as intermediaries in such cases, it is still fronting for another buyer whether ownership is fully or only partially transferred in the interim. The end game is the same, only the profit margin changes.

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14 Oct 2010 12:04:23
Ed, apologies as im sure your fingers are probably burning by now with all the responses, but say, mills have bought the shares and do own LFC, and another apparent bidder will come in whenever to purchase the club from them, that would surely be the same as and prem/ football club being sold, that it has to go through the correct channels i.e propper person test etc etc?

chris

{Editor's Note: It will do.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:06:02
I did post about Afellay being watched by ROy. .seems no one to believe me. and now i post it again. .
Afellay would be a good addition to us. . .

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14 Oct 2010 12:04:23
Ed, apologies as im sure your fingers are probably burning by now with all the responses, but say, mills have bought the shares and do own LFC, and another apparent bidder will come in whenever to purchase the club from them, that would surely be the same as and prem/ football club being sold, that it has to go through the correct channels i.e propper person test etc etc?

chris

{Editor's Note: It will do.}

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14 Oct 2010 12:03:25
The dallas observer blog has reported haveing thousands of angry emails from liverpool fans about this latest action from hicks.
judge jordan the guy that granted the restraining order has had his face book page closed down and the phone line to the texas court is unavaliable i wonder why

andy m

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14 Oct 2010 12:01:46
"14 Oct 2010 11:33:09
So now the latest is the suggestion that Mill could be a front for another bidder who wants to swoop at the 11th hour. Assuming the PL needs the 10 days for change of ownership, could this be a bidder who has already shown interest and applied for such clearance?

Either way, it's make or break. If it's another business looking to saddle us with debt i think the fans need to carry out their actions of a boycott rather than simply making nice banners.

{Editor's Note: Mills are not new players particularly - it was them looking to finance Hicks a couple of weeks ago.}"

Sorry Ed, i think you slightly misunderstood my question. I know who Mill are, but i was asking about the hypothesis that they are fronting for another bidder. i.e what are the chances that they are already known to us?

{Editor's Note: It is still a rumour, but if it were true they may already have a buyer lined up - they will not be "fronting for anyone else".}

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14 Oct 2010 12:01:04
Just a thought but given that Hicks has resorted to underhand legal acton in the US courts, why don't we Liverpool fans do the same? If someone can get $1mn for spilling hot coffee on themselves from McDonalds, surely there is some merit in thousands of Liverpool fans launching a class action against H&G. I'm sure that there is an argument that as custodians of the club, they owe the fans a duty of care and that they have breached that duty by the way they have conducted themselves recently which as led to fans suffering unwarranted stress. If we can get enough fans together, how about a $1bn lawsuit?

If there are any Livepool fans who are lawyers in the US who could help put a law suit together, that might put a cat amongst the pidgeons.

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14 Oct 2010 11:57:24
Ed, it would be nothing short of gross negligence for a loan of this size not to also include the security of a share charge. Even without a share charge, the point is that the club's directors have been empowered to sell the club and have already entered into a binding agreement with NEVS with RBS's approval as lender. This contract with NEVS predates any contract involving Mill Financial. As such a court will give the NEVS contract precedence. H & G only remedy can be damages (which they will need to prove). A sale to Mill Financial is yet a further breach of H & G's undertakings not to interfere with a sale process which undertook to place into the hands of Broughton. Reality Red

{Editor's Note: If you are correct then this will be "nipped in the bud" without doubt. It seems that by your reckoning nobody checked last week to see if there were any charges on the shares when Gillett exchanged his for an unpaid loan with Mill Financial. If you are right, this rumour will be finished any time now then.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:57:20
Is it just me, but does anyone else think that had Rafa been given a decent transfer budget (say 20-30 million plus sales) he could have won us the league?

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14 Oct 2010 11:55:58
Come on you Red Skins

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14 Oct 2010 11:55:19
NOT KENNY HUANG SURELY?

{Editor's Note: That is the Echo for you!}

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14 Oct 2010 11:54:22
H&G have pulled the rug from underneath Broughton and co. It appears that Mill Financial now own Liverpool outright and the current directors will be replaced today once the loan has been repaid. This is like something from Dallas, it's unreal, but it's very real.

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14 Oct 2010 11:54:16
14 Oct 2010 11:36:49

Who are FBR?

{Editor's Note: FBR are and investment bank/ asset management company. Not unlike the Rhone Group who previously declared an interest.}
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According to H&G propaganda FBR offered between £370-£450m for the club.

{Editor's Note: I saw that as well. The problem is that I can't see that Martin Broughton would have lied when he said there were two offers on the table. This means that any offer they made was not formally made to the board - and possibly just made to Hicks and Gillett only. In my opinion, it may well have been instigated by them.}
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A bit like the supposed interest from Yaya Kirdi then?
Let's face it the NESV bid from what I have read seems best for Liverpool. Isn't that the point?

{Editor's Post: I agree the NESV bid is much better for the club than anything else I have seen. I never really got my head around the Kirdi bid.}
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And with NESV we don't have any arguments like those suggested on this site on friday 11th September about the issues surrounding womens and general human rights in certain countries that may want to have bid for Liverpool.
Lets face it New England is part of the modern progressive forward thinking part of the USA. A good thing I believe.
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It seems events have made my discussion rather pointless at this stage.

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14 Oct 2010 11:53:57
Surely Mill would need Premier League approval before taking over. Could the PL punish LFC if they are taken over without prior approval? Surely this is in breach of the 'Fit and Proper Persons' rules they introduced a while back.

{Editor's Note: All of that will be dealt with if Mill do take control - the league have already been informed of a potential change of ownership. It would be clutching at straws to see this as a saving grace.}

I'm not suggesting 'Fit and Proper Persons' would be a savior. My point was that the premire league have been informed of and approved a takeover by NESV, not Mill. If anyone can take over a club without prior approval, it makes those rules pointless. Besides which, what if Mill failed to win PL approval (wishful thinking)? Could the club be punished for not following PL rules?

{Editor's Note: If this goes ahead they will make provisions to see that the rules are abided to or they will accept a minor slap on the wrists. Once the debt is paid there will be plenty of time to process the paperwork and do whatever is necessary to transfer ownership.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:51:33
It was suggested yesterday that other possible parties would show their interest in Liverpool today.

{Editor's Note: And they may well do.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:50:58
I thought any sale needed to be approved by the board with a majority vote?

{Editor's Note: That is true, but it was for the sale of the club. Hicks could sell his shares if he wants - we have always known this.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:49:57
RBS is not in a position to accept payement from Mill Hill and release the share charge (which it will undoubtedly have) There is already a binding contract in place to sell to NEVS (the board, RBS and NEVS beat Mill Financial H & G to it! !) to . RBS has already approved this sale to NEVS. H & G are using Mill Financial as a way of trying to suppoort their cliam that the club is being sold at an undervalue. Relaity Red.

{Editor's Note: I disagree with you. To be fair, I have consistently disagreed with you all morning - so at least I am consistent.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:49:56
So as Moores and Parry shafted DIC and Sheikh Mohammed, have RBS have shafted NESV?

{Editor's Note: No, but Hicks canmay well have done.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:46:35

"Liverpoolecho.co.uk

The Liverpool FC ownership war has taken a dramatic twist with reports that Mill Financial have effectively taken over the club.

It is being claimed the American based Hedge Fund has acquired all of Tom Hicks' shares to go along with those of George Gillett, which it already owned.

It is further claimed that if they repay all outstanding loans to RBS before the set deadline, they will by default become the new owners of LFC, nudging out New England Sports Ventures.

However the Echo understands the move would not signal Hicks and Gillett returning to ascendancy in the battle for the Reds.

Instead it is believed Mill Financial, in turn owned by Springfield Financial who have links with the Washington Redskins American Football team, may be acting on behalf of another, as yet unamed and unknown group who have put themselves in a position to move in at the 11th hour and takeover the club.

Inevitably, it will lead to speculation that Chinese businessman Kenny Huang could be behind today's dramatic developments, though that is by no means clear.

Critical meetings to discuss today's development are now being held in London involving Liverpool's English directors - chairman Martin Broughton, Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre.

No one from the club was prepared to comment on the so far unconfirmed reports.

{Editor's Note: So the Echo have changed their stance then. Interesting.}"
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OH SH%EP!

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14 Oct 2010 11:43:52
Ed
surely if this mill financial were to buy hicks shares wouldn't they need board approval? or is it possible that they will own liverpool without getting board approval, im sick of these yonk fools
mickreds

{Editor's Note: Hicks can do what he wishes with his shares.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:42:04
Here's a hypothetical. I seem to remember RBS claimed in court that H&G were already technically defaulting on their loans and the lender could call them in. If true, could RBS put the club into admin before Mill pay them off?

Anyone else feel completely disillusioned with football right now?

{Editor's Note: No - they can do nothing until at least the point at which the dent falls due - I am told at 09:59 tomorrow. Then there is some discussion about a period of grace until the end of the month. It seems that Hicks' efforts in Texas yesterday may have bought him just the amount of time he needed.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:40:30
In Response to:

14 Oct 2010 11:09:12
"14 Oct 2010 10:05:23
As previously mentioned, the key to any sale will be the debt remaining unpaid as of the time it falls due - which appears to be 10:00am on Friday. The fans might do better to worry about Mill Financial buying out Hicks' shares in addition to those of Gillett (which they already have most or all of) and clearing the RBS and Wachovia debts. Mill Financial will then have control of the club and RBS/ NESV will be out of the picture.

Sharkey."

I share your view and worry that these are all stalling tactics, but surely if Mill wanted to buy out Hicks' shares they would have done so by now. If they were willing to put money on the table for the club, why haven't they already completed by buying Hicks' shares?

Surely before supposedly Mill Financial took over ownership of Liverpool. They would have to go through a fit and proper persons test by the FA which would take 10 days. RBS would still effectively seize control of the club.

Baz

{Editor's Note: This seems a little like clutching at straws - there is no mileage in the F&P test acting as a saviour in this case.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:39:47
Latest rumour is that Mill F have took out a Bank Loan Citi Bank, to pay off the RBS Debt, taking over Liverpool and the Debt remains with Liverpool Kop Holding's.

{Editor's Note: It is a dumb rumour at this time. Just ignore it.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:39:39
Back in court at 2 o'clock fellow reds.Hopefully that will be the end of it

{Editor's Note: Possibly not.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:39:38
Strangely still watching the guardian live

no mention yet of mills financal owning liverpool

{Editor's Note: It is of course still a rumour, but perhaps you should refresh your screen now and again: tinyurl.com/325zy84}

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14 Oct 2010 11:37:31
I don't mean to sound dense. but am i missing something here. I understand that H+G can sell their shares to whomever they please. but surely if that means mill financial are in control of the club why don't they have to pass the EPL fit and proper person rulings. if they don't then whats the point of the damn tules in the first place. ed please help.

{Editor's Note: They will have to pass those tests, and no doubt will be able to. There is no mileage in this "fit and proper" issue.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:36:49

Who are FBR?

{Editor's Note: FBR are and investment bank/ asset management company. Not unlike the Rhone Group who previously declared an interest.}
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According to H&G propaganda FBR offered between £370-£450m for the club.

{Editor's Note: I saw that as well. The problem is that I can't see that Martin Broughton would have lied when he said there were two offers on the table. This means that any offer they made was not formally made to the board - and possibly just made to Hicks and Gillett only. In my opinion, it may well have been instigated by them.}
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A bit like the supposed interest from Yaya Kirdi then?
Let's face it the NESV bid from what I have read seems best for Liverpool. Isn't that the point?

{Editor's Post: I agree the NESV bid is much better for the club than anything else I have seen. I never really got my head around the Kirdi bid.}
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And with NESV we don't have any arguments like those suggested on this site on friday 11th September about the issues surrounding womens and general human rights in certain countries that may want to have bid for Liverpool.
Lets face it New England is part of the modern progressive forward thinking part of the USA. A good thing I believe.

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14 Oct 2010 11:34:19
Liverpoolecho.co.uk

The Liverpool FC ownership war has taken a dramatic twist with reports that Mill Financial have effectively taken over the club.

It is being claimed the American based Hedge Fund has acquired all of Tom Hicks' shares to go along with those of George Gillett, which it already owned.

It is further claimed that if they repay all outstanding loans to RBS before the set deadline, they will by default become the new owners of LFC, nudging out New England Sports Ventures.

However the Echo understands the move would not signal Hicks and Gillett returning to ascendancy in the battle for the Reds.

Instead it is believed Mill Financial, in turn owned by Springfield Financial who have links with the Washington Redskins American Football team, may be acting on behalf of another, as yet unamed and unknown group who have put themselves in a position to move in at the 11th hour and takeover the club.

Inevitably, it will lead to speculation that Chinese businessman Kenny Huang could be behind today's dramatic developments, though that is by no means clear.

Critical meetings to discuss today's development are now being held in London involving Liverpool's English directors - chairman Martin Broughton, Managing Director Christian Purslow and Commercial Director Ian Ayre.

No one from the club was prepared to comment on the so far unconfirmed reports.

{Editor's Note: So the Echo have changed their stance then. Interesting.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:34:16
Surely Mill would need Premier League approval before taking over. Could the PL punish LFC if they are taken over without prior approval? Surely this is in breach of the 'Fit and Proper Persons' rules they introduced a while back.

{Editor's Note: All of that will be dealt with if Mill do take control - the league have already been informed of a potential change of ownership. It would be clutching at straws to see this as a saving grace.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:33:55
Ed, Whilst the assets are charged, undoubtably RBS will also have a share charge over the shares. If Mill Finnacial have agreed to buy the shares of H & G they will need to get the bank to release the shares in exchange for payment of the RBS debt. RBS is not in a position to do this as it has consented to the sale agrement entered into by the directors and NEVS. broughton and RBS are one step ahead of H & G. These share sale shanagans are H & G's attempt to build up a case against RBS and Broughton for selling at an undervalue. Reality Red

{Editor's Note: My understanding is that there is no charge on the shares whatsoever - the loans were secured against the assett (the club) so would be unaffected if the shares changed hands.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:33:09
So now the latest is the suggestion that Mill could be a front for another bidder who wants to swoop at the 11th hour. Assuming the PL needs the 10 days for change of ownership, could this be a bidder who has already shown interest and applied for such clearance?

Either way, it's make or break. If it's another business looking to saddle us with debt i think the fans need to carry out their actions of a boycott rather than simply making nice banners.

{Editor's Note: Mills are not new players particularly - it was them looking to finance Hicks a couple of weeks ago.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:31:43
LIVERPOOL COURT BATTLE TO RESUME

The battle over the future of Liverpool returns to the High Court today after the club's owners used the US courts to prevent a sale of the club.

Mr Justice Floyd had given a ruling in London on Wednesday that meant the English directors of Liverpool could agree a £300 million takeover by John W Henry's New England Sports Ventures.

But before the board could make any decision last night, Tom Hicks, one of the owners, secured a temporary restraining order from a Texas court.

Mr Justice Floyd had totally rejected Mr Hicks and George Gillett's attempts to stand in the way of the sale in a ruling which should have left them helpless to intervene.

Both the Liverpool board and NESV believed a deal could be reached on Wednesday night but the last ditch intervention by the American owners meant more court action is necessary.

The case will go before Mr Justice Floyd again on Thursday afternoon.


Lets hope we get avermin form EVER coming into the UK again!
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RedDan

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14 Oct 2010 11:31:00
Twitter is buzzing with H&G shares now in ownership of Mill Financial. Mill will pay RBS repayment & sell to who they want!

{Editor's Note: It seems to be gaining pace - but Twitter as a source?}

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14 Oct 2010 11:31:00
Mill Financial now own Liverpool Football Club the RBS debt is to be paid off today! ! OFFICAL!

{Editor's Note: I am not so sure the word "official" can yet be applied.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:29:36
So according to reports Mill Financial now own Liverpool. Now correct me if I am wrong. They pay off the debt to RBS. They own the club 100%?

Does the Ed therefore think they will offer up the club to interested parties Lim, NESV etc at an increased value (In the process making a quick buck) or do you think they will run the club?

Should we be worried or not. H&G are out of the picture either way.

Rambo

{Editor's Note: It seems that this is a rumour with some momentum. If the pay RBS and Wachovia what they are owed, then the banks are removed from the equation entirely. At that point, Mill would own the club and could do what they wish with it. I think it is something to worry about because there is no indication what they would do. If you think of their driving factors, it is likely that they would look to improve the value of their asset by growth - which would require investment and responsible asset management. Alternatively, there may be a quick buck out there. We will have to wait and see.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:26:39
14 Oct 2010 11:18:58
14 Oct 2010 11:09:04
Who are FBR?

{Editor's Note: FBR are and investment bank/ asset management company. Not unlike the Rhone Group who previously declared an interest.}
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According to H&G propaganda FBR offered between £370-£450m for the club.

{Editor's Note: I saw that as well. The problem is that I can't see that Martin Broughton would have lied when he said there were two offers on the table. This means that any offer they made was not formally made to the board - and possibly just made to Hicks and Gillett only. In my opinion, it may well have been instigated by them.}
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A bit like the supposed interest from Yaya Kirdi then?
Let's face it the NESV bid from what I have read seems best for Liverpool. Isn't that the point?

{Editor's Post: I agree the NESV bid is much better for the club than anything else I have seen. I never really got my head around the Kirdi bid.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:25:49
Ed-

14 Oct 2010 11:11:22
HICKS HAS SOLD HIS SHARE TO MILL (RADIO 5 LIVE). . . . . CAN HE DO THIS?

{Editor's Note: If he wants to, of course.}

surely this is the same as selling the club? Which would have to be accepted by the home team or am i missing something?

Chris

{Editor's Note: No, he is selling his shares in a debt laden club - that is all. They are his shares to sell.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:23:06
Wouldnt the board have to vote on Hicks selling his shares? for he is technically selling the club then isn't he? as Mill already own Gillett's shares?

and Mills havent been approved by the Premier League as fit and proper owners?

{Editor's Note: They are his shares and he can do what he wants with them. It is just "rumour" at this time - the Echo are running with NESV.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:22:51
LIVERPOOL ECHO.CO.UK

A LFC legal challenge to the American co-owner's dramatic Texas restraining order obtained last night is expected to be heard in the next 24 hours.

Lawyers for the Reds were locked in complex discussions until 3am today deciding how to deal with the latest challenge from by Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Today Liverpool FC were said to be confident they would overcome a lawsuit seeking $1.6b damages from the English directors at Anfield - Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow, Ian Ayre and Philip Nash - along with lenders Royal Bank of Scotland and successful Liverpool bidders New England Sports Ventures (NESV) - claiming they were undervaluing the price of the club and disregarding other, allegedly higher, offers.

The ECHO understands the defiant English board members remain confident they will push through a deal with NESVThis morning solicitors for the Reds were hoping to have the matter listed in the High Court in London "as a matter of urgency" to obtain an injunction overturning the lawsuit.

And the ECHO understands to completely veto the move they must ask for a similar hearing at a court in America. Once that happens Liverpool can be sold to NESV for £300m.

Either way Liverpool FC are not prepared to wait until October 25, the date set down by Hicks and Gillett's lawyers for the full hearing in Texas, for the matter to be resolved.

The ECHO can also reveal how Boston-based NESV were ready to complete their outright purchase of Liverpool today.

But due to last night's development Red Sox chairman Tom Werner put an overnight flight on London on hold. He was due to join his right-hand man John Henry at the London offices of Slaughter and May.Henry, 61, was pictured walking into the solicitors' HQ yesterday evening. He gave a thumbs up when asked if he was confident of buying the Reds

GOOD NEWS I THINK EH ED

{Editor's Note: It rather depends whether you believe what the Echo has published or what Sharkey was suggesting earlier. If the matter can be cleared over the next 24 hours and the club sold to NESV I for one will be happy.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:22:06
Not a rumour but LFC are truly better going into admin, -3 points will be easy to over turn with a few sueaky bum moments, but over all you need to rid all within the club and owners and start a fresh because from the outside looking in it seems like there is a massive clash going on with true dislike and skull-duggery, and as much as Hicks and Gillet are a bunch of w* * * they are still going to fight tooth and nail for their money like we all would

{Editor's Note: I don't think Administration is an option. It is not just the points issue, but the need to restart the whole sales process again.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:18:58
14 Oct 2010 11:09:04
Who are FBR?

{Editor's Note: FBR are and investment bank/ asset management company. Not unlike the Rhone Group who previously declared an interest.}
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According to H&G propaganda FBR offered between £370-£450m for the club.

{Editor's Note: I saw that as well. The problem is that I can't see that Martin Broughton would have lied when he said there were two offers on the table. This means that any offer they made was not formally made to the board - and possibly just made to Hicks and Gillett only. In my opinion, it may well have been instigated by them.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:13:55
Enter mill financial in google and see some of the live tweets coming through

looking very very likely mill financial own lfc lots of reports now that they have bought hicks and gillets shares

what does all this mean?

i am so confused with it all help

tazz YNWA

{Editor's Note: There is an earlier post that explains what I think is being suggested:

"14 Oct 2010 10:05:23
As previously mentioned, the key to any sale will be the debt remaining unpaid as of the time it falls due - which appears to be 10:00am on Friday. The fans might do better to worry about Mill Financial buying out Hicks' shares in addition to those of Gillett (which they already have most or all of) and clearing the RBS and Wachovia debts. Mill Financial will then have control of the club and RBS/NESV will be out of the picture.

Sharkey."

What we don't know is if this is true or just rumour - or whether someone from Radio 5 has read Sharkey's post.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:12:34
Just a question or two on this Mill Financial situation.

1. Surely RBS own H&G shares in LFC as the collateral held against the loan.

Mill financial might have leant G £75m based on his share, but surely no shares would have changed ownership, unless they had given money directly to RBS and the lending agreement been changed to reflect this.

2. What is stopping them now giving all the money due, to RBS and then selling the club on for the profit that is there to be made by these other investors coming oout of the woodowkr saying they will pay £320m or £400m?

{Editor's Note: (1) The debts are agaisnt the asset of the club - not the shares of the owners. Anyone buying the owners' shares would still have to clear the debts when they fall due. (2) Nothing.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:11:22
HICKS HAS SOLD HIS SHARE TO MILL (RADIO 5 LIVE). . . . . CAN HE DO THIS?

{Editor's Note: If he wants to, of course.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:10:49
There is no way hicks will repay this loan if as im led to believe mill financial own gilletts shares they could simply buy hicks out and own liverpool them selves all they will have to do is pay off loan.
but one question ed do the r.b.s have the power to refuse payment from this company if it happened and take control themselves and sell to n.e.s.v.
i no this probably sounds pointless as all they want is payment but maybe hicks and his actions might force them to be awkward themselves.

{Editor's Note: RBS want their money back as they are responsible to their own shareholders - largely HM Government. They could not refuse to accept payment. They have already been as awkward as they could reasonably be.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:09:12
"14 Oct 2010 10:05:23
As previously mentioned, the key to any sale will be the debt remaining unpaid as of the time it falls due - which appears to be 10:00am on Friday. The fans might do better to worry about Mill Financial buying out Hicks' shares in addition to those of Gillett (which they already have most or all of) and clearing the RBS and Wachovia debts. Mill Financial will then have control of the club and RBS/NESV will be out of the picture.

Sharkey."

I share your view and worry that these are all stalling tactics, but surely if Mill wanted to buy out Hicks' shares they would have done so by now. If they were willing to put money on the table for the club, why haven't they already completed by buying Hicks' shares?

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14 Oct 2010 11:09:04
Who are FBR?

{Editor's Note: FBR are and investment bank/asset management company. Not unlike the Rhone Group who previously declared an interest.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:08:45
I know the yonks have no chance of winning in latest court battle. But say for argument sake they won this 1 billion. In theory they could pay off the debt. As to stay in control (but still willing to sell)sack the board build a new stadium and because the club would have a new stadium and basically no debt. They could get their higher asking price for the club or worse still stay in control.

I know not going to happen and no chance of happening.but. Just a taught .

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14 Oct 2010 11:07:58
Does anybody think the rest of the football and sport, media and press world will now realise and understand the trouble we have had with H&G over the last 3 and a half years.

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14 Oct 2010 11:04:03
RBS & LFC to go back to High court at 1400 today. Mill financial claim to own H&G shares in LFC.

Bridgy07

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14 Oct 2010 11:03:32
Hello. . .im a reds fan from India. .first time poster. .but reader for a looong time. .Ed, wat do u think. .Wil the takeovr b completed this week bfore the oct 15 deadline. .Damn these americans. .They just WONT go. . dilip red hot chili pepper

{Editor's Note: If it is completed before the deadline it will not be to NESV, as someone would have to have paid of the bank loans. Possible though.}

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14 Oct 2010 11:02:26
This is getting unreal iv just heard the owner of the washington redskin Dwight Schar is set to disclose his intrest in LFC as he owns Mill financial who own gilletes shares, I think hick has got many aces up his sleeve and was underestimated by broughton & co, i hope broughton knows what hes doing because hicks is a big big shark. 2-0 sunday gerrardx2 YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 11:01:27
I smell a mole among us - check the bel/ unbel stats for the posts around the "Forget the calm down brigade" pointless scaremongering post. ;)

Is it half term already?

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14 Oct 2010 11:00:34
I missed the word "clearing" out of the previous post:

"14 Oct 2010 10:05:23
As previously mentioned, the key to any sale will be the debt remaining unpaid as of the time it falls due - which appears to be 10:00am on Friday. The fans might do better to worry about Mill Financial buying out Hicks' shares in addition to those of Gillett (which they already have most or all of) and CLEARING the RBS and Wachovia debts. Mill Financial will then have control of the club and RBS/ NESV will be out of the picture."

Sharkey.

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14 Oct 2010 11:00:16
It is only contempt of court if an injunction is taken out in the UK. H&G filed in Texas, so technically they are not in contempt. This is just mischief making and I feel, it is done to force the bank to call the loan and put Liverpool in administration. I also feel, if the Red Sox consorts were in the same position they would be doing the same as H&G. Americans, fair play and sport don't mix.

Your right it is mischief making, but it also buys time for Mill Fianacial to buy up H&G Shares and take over LFC.

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14 Oct 2010 10:50:50
Ed, do you know, when we would be taken over, and when would the greedy, stupid YONks "H & G" would leave. . what is the new drama? thanks

{Editor's Note: The club will be taken over when the debts to RBS and Wachovia (Wells Fargo) have been paid and the shares transferred. I am sure it won't be too long.}

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14 Oct 2010 10:42:33
"USA courts have unlimited powers in financial matters, and administation is just around the corner"

Good to see some of us are staying optimistic (!). Look, RBS won't let the club go into administration, they will take control of the club instead and sell it straight away, probably to John Henry. Putting the club into administration is a hassle that the bank don't want. Also, it would be harder to sell the club if we go into administration as Henry said he would no longer be interested if this happened. RBS have fought the yonks this far and will just want the situation to be over with. Besides, they might not even get to the point where they need to take control, if the board can sort out this restraining order quick enough then Henry can buy the club before the bank has to intervene. STAY HOPEFUL!

YNWA

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14 Oct 2010 10:05:23
As previously mentioned, the key to any sale will be the debt remaining unpaid as of the time it falls due - which appears to be 10:00am on Friday. The fans might do better to worry about Mill Financial buying out Hicks' shares in addition to those of Gillett (which they already have most or all of) and the RBS and Wachovia debts. Mill Financial will then have control of the club and RBS/NESV will be out of the picture.

Sharkey.

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14 Oct 2010 10:40:50
There was an interesting interview with a texas attorney on BBC 5Live this morning. You can find it on the BBC Sport website. It explains a bit, and leaves me a bit more optimistic.

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14 Oct 2010 10:40:38

"14 Oct 2010 10:20:25
Forget the calm down don't worry brigade, USA courts have unlimited powers in financial matters, and administation is just around the corner, this is a very serious matter indeed, UK courts have had no winning cases against USA courts, financial law favours the USA every time, trust me this is terrible news, ask Lord Black, they extrodited him to stand trail in the USA, even though he had not broken UK or EU law, check your facts on how many, UK buissnesses have been charged and successfully prosecuted in the USA, without breaking laws in the UKor EU."

I think perhaps it is you who needs to check your facts. Conrad Black was only recently a UK citizen, he is primarily Canadian and the financial irregularities he was (correctly) prosecuted for were pertaining to US business transactions, which is why he had to adhere to a US court ruling. Why one earth do you think a UK court would care about large scale fraud in relation to the sale of US assets by a Canadian who happens to have taken UK citizenship? If you're going to try and scaremonger and accuse others of lacking the facts it's always best to give the correct ones yourself.

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14 Oct 2010 10:39:21
All I can say is its just a shame Hicks never put this type of effort into LFC!
Keep the faith.

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14 Oct 2010 10:26:54

Ed, Hicks actions do amount to a contempt of court. The UK court has found that he breached his contractual undertaking to RBS when he dismissed the board . The UK judge has reconstituted the board and injuncted Hicks from interferring in the make up. The aim of this was to ensure the board could continue to function. By taking out an injunction in Texas Hicks has breached the judge's injunction preventing him from interferring with the board. This is contempt of court. The only real legitimate option open to Hicks yesterday was to await the sale to go through to NEVS and then to issue proceedings against the board members and RBS for damages resulting from the alledged sale at an undervalue. As ell as getting teh texas injunction lifted RBS should file an application in the UK courts asking that Hicks be committed for contempt of court. thei awoudl result in Hicks having to personally appear before the UK court to answer for his contempt. Reality Red.

{Editor's Note: All Kop Investment (a Delaware registered business) have done is sought and have granted a Temporary Restraining Order to allow certain matters - in all probability unfounded - to be considered. It is not any more than that. It has to be addressed within 14 days maximum and it could well be dealt with much more quickly. It is certainly not contempt of court. I appreciate your desire to see Tom Hicks bought before the courts to be held responsible for his crimes, but it is not going to happen - at least not via this route.}

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14 Oct 2010 10:20:25
Forget the calm down don't worry brigade, USA courts have unlimited powers in financial matters, and administation is just around the corner, this is a very serious matter indeed, UK courts have had no winning cases against USA courts, financial law favours the USA every time, trust me this is terrible news, ask Lord Black, they extrodited him to stand trail in the USA, even though he had not broken UK or EU law, check your facts on how many, UK buissnesses have been charged and successfully prosecuted in the USA, without breaking laws in the UKor EU.

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14 Oct 2010 10:17:28
What worries me at present is how RBS will react to this. It is no longer a little local difficulty. They have been accused, by Hicks, or criminal behaviour and the most appalling unprofessionalism. The accusations are all over the media. This will no longer be simply a matter for the toxic debt department. The board will be sitting up and taking notice. The marketing department will be having kittens. The legal teams will have gone into overdrive. On the plus side, expect them to come out fighting. But one of their weapons will be to put the club into administration first thing on Friday morning, as a way of taking down H&G.
As for Hicks, I think he' losing all control. Who will ever lend him money after this? Who will do business for him? Who would work for him? He comes across now as a paranoid ranting nutcase.

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14 Oct 2010 10:14:05
Ed, Hicks actions do amount to a contempt of court. The UK court has found that he breached his contractual undertaking to RBS when he dismissed the board . The UK judge has reconstituted the board and injuncted Hicks from interferring in the make up. The aim of this was to ensure the board could continue to function. By taking out an injunction in Texas Hicks has breached the judge's injunction preventing him from interferring with the board. This is contempt of court. The only real legitimate option open to Hicks yesterday was to await the sale to go through to NEVS and then to issue proceedings against the board members and RBS for damages resulting from the alledged sale at an undervalue. As ell as getting teh texas injunction lifted RBS should file an application in the UK courts asking that Hicks be committed for contempt of court. thei awoudl result in Hicks having to personally appear before the UK court to answer for his contempt. Reality Red.

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14 Oct 2010 09:59:32
GET IN! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

f*ck YOU HICKS! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

JOHN W HENRY HAS JUST STATED HE IS IN THIS FOR THE LONG HAUL AND THATS HES NOT WALKING AWAY FROM THE SITUATION.

LOOKS LIKE YOUR ATTEMPTS TO UN SETTLE THE DEAL ONCE AGAIN HAVE FALLEN ON DEAF EARS AND IF ANYTHING IT WILL MAKE NESV GO FOR THIS EVEN MORE AS A POINT OF PRINCIPLE NOW! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

HICKS EVERYTHING YOU DO NOW IS BEAMED ROUND THE WORLD TO ALL FOUR CORNERS, DO YOU NOT SEE HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU ARE DOING TO YOUR ALREADY PATHETIC REPUTATION? ?

NOBODY WILL EVER DO BUSINESS WITH YOU EVER AGAIN, YOU ARE FINISHED IN BUSINESS GLOBALLY NOW.

YOUR A WASTE OF SPACE OXYGEN THIEF! ! ! ! !

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14 Oct 2010 09:58:49
So much for this saga ending, USA courts are a legal mine field, when it comes to financial laws, the UK gov gave the USA to many powers, they have been successfully prosecuting UK bankers and biussness men for about 4 years, and jailing some, siezeing assets, freezing assets, extroditing people and doing what they want, this is far more serious then any one could imagine, USA law firms will do what they want and no UK gov can stop them.

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14 Oct 2010 09:58:45
To those in despair at the latest actions of this parasite please read the comments posted by Aussie LFC at 04:10:53.

"Everyone needs to calm down! This is purely a legal matter now. No amount of sending emails to Obama or Cameron will really make any difference. Courts make decisions all the time that are contrary to what politicians would like to see happen. It is called the separation of powers. However, do not fear. The next step for the directors/ RBS/ NESV is to have this injunction removed and to get a permanent stay of the proceedings (ie case) in Texas. This is basically a permanent injunction against the courts in Texas hearing the case there. Courts generally do not like there to be parallel cases running at the same time based upon the same set of facts. I think there is a good chance that a UK court would make a stay order because the UK is clearly the most appropriate jurisdiction for the case (including Hick's claims against directors/ RBS) to heard because it has the most real and substantial connection with the facts of the case. The directors and RBS are very well represented and I am sure that they knew that this would be a possibility. Just sit back and watch it all play out knowing that the Yanks will be gone soon. It's very rare to see such drama unfold in real life. Aussie LFC YNWA!

Aussie LFC is spot on. When there are parallel proceedings international law dictates that if you oppose proceedings in one jurisdiction you must contest that court's jurisdiction as soon as possible. Hicks failed to do this in his application yesterday before the UK Courts which he tried to overturn RBS's injunction. Hicks has already therefore acknowledged the UK courts being seized of the matter. Lets not forget the asset is located in the UK. the loan documentation/ agreement between RBS and Hicks is governed by UK law and most importantly the directors whose actions are at issue are the directors of an English company and their responsibilities and obligations as directors are governed by the provisions of the UK Companies Act 2006 . Why on earth would a Texas court be the more appropriate jurisdiction. As Ed has said Hicks obtained this injunction without RBS knowing about it. The Judge would have given it only hearing Hicks' unsubstantiated accusations. I am very confident RBS will be able to get this lifted in the next 24-48 hours. Hicks actions are also in contempt of court. This is a criminal offence. Reality Red

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14 Oct 2010 09:25:06
Re:
{Editor's Note: This is simply a delaying tactic and I would not worry about it at all. It is a temporary restraining order that must expire within 14 days. It was uncontested and the Judge was clear that it was based solely on unsubstantiated accusations. I think the situation will be resolved without any adverse impact on the club.}

I accept that this is a delaying tactic. However I dispute whether a 14 day delay will be without any adverse impact on the club. Our form on the pitch so far this season has been terrible and I put the uncertainty and disruption of the pitch as the main contributor to this (and for our poor form last season). In the next 14 days we could lose six league points and three UEFA cup (I refuse to use the new name) points. This could be the difference between a European place next season and not. Hardly no adverse impact.

I notice also you probably sensibly decided against posting my final paragraph last time but the core point was a valid one. I'll therefore make it again toned down to avoid legal complications:

Could H&G be considered as being in contempt of the UK courts by the way they took out the TRO in response to the UK court verdict?

{Editor's Note: Dealing with the matter of the on-field performances. I think it is time for the players to step up and show that they are above all of this. Once on the field their focus should be on the game in hand nothing else, and it seems too easy an excuse to use the off filed problems as justification for poor performance.

As for the second point, they would certainly not be in contempt of the British courts. I would suspect that it has always been the plan to take this approach as an appeal would unlikely win unless it was over a point of law. Clearly the deposition was prepared well in advance of yesterday and probably just amended as necessary. The judge has been very careful in the wording or the temporary restraining order - even going as far as annotating each clause from "Based on ." to "Based solely on .", emphasising that there was no contention of the issues presented to the court. The good news is that this case must be heard within 14 days maximum and it could well be heard much earlier if both sides are prepared. The bad news is that fans are being urged to bombard the Texas court system and the Judge with e-mails - this will have a detrimental effect and will support the matter surrounding intimidatory influence of the supporters. It seems impossible to stop the lemmingesque supporter from following the guidance of "Big Dunc" and SOS in their calls for direct action - no lessons being learned from the call for direct action against RBS a few weeks ago and RBS turning out to be an eventual saviour of the club.}

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14 Oct 2010 09:14:39
Guy's
this is the only reason I can see to the outcome of last night and the two sh* * FROM US.
they are suing for 1.6 billion dollars only to bail themselves out, they have put every venture they are in, into near collapse and the only way they can get out of it is to raise funds. and the only way of doing this is to try and sue some one or outfit for the monies.
They have not been able to refinance, no one wants to touch them.
RBS can and to be honest should just hold the debt now and then force the two to show their real intentions. .
I agree that LFC should continue to set aside the judgement instead of ignore it because it could ruin any revenue form the states and from potential sub companies of NESV. all share holders need to agree on funds and ways forward. .
Crying out loud the two don't even speak to one another and until recently did all communication through an immediator.
these are just my thoughts.
chris677

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14 Oct 2010 09:05:50
So it seems that the emerging legal consensus is that the Texas District Court has no jurisdiction over the sale but that RBS, BA and NEVS all have dealings in Texas and do not want to be seen in contempt of the Texan court. Shame really as the Texan court has show itself to be beneath contempt.

If we are going down the contempt of court argument shouldn't H&G be arrested for being in contempt of the court here. Yesterday they lost a case against RBS, had a route to go to the court of appeals to try to get an appeal. Instead they rode roughshod over the UK court decision and went to a foreign and irrelevant court to obtain the TRO which contravenes the verdict of the UK case.

Bob

{Editor's Note: This is simply a delaying tactic and I would not worry about it at all. It is a temporary restraining order that must expire within 14 days. It was uncontested and the Judge was clear that it was based solely on unsubstantiated accusations. I think the situation will be resolved without any adverse impact on the club.}

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14 Oct 2010 06:45:45
Being born on the Red side of Merseyside I really want to explain to all! Let's discuss what happens on the pitch because we've all made clear our hatred for the outgoing Yanks! None of us know what happens completely behind closed doors and right now, I and every single one of us should be worrying about the Derby on the weekend and going forward!
We still have titles to be won and for those who think we don't have the squad to compete, then wake up (understanding we are only a 3-4 players away from dominating!)

GK? ? Pepe is the Best in the Prem and arguably the best GK in club football.

CB - Big concerns with Carra aging (May be Wilson is the incumbant? Is Skrtel and Agger [whom I both like. .but? ] up to the world class status? May be not and Roy may rid of one and bring in Brende Haangaland which is a heavy rumour). Keep Soto because he's a good option at times.

RB & LB - Glen Johnson at RW?? I think it would serve best with Kuyt in the middle with Nando and Kelly being thrusted into the RB role? What do you think? At LB I respect Konchesky, but we should've not rid of Insua! I started a Taiwo rumour on www.liverpoolfc.tv about 5 years ago! Hints here and there, but it would be perfect!

CM - I think that Poulson was a waste buy and that Roy should consider bringing back a WORLD CLASS Aquilani to partner a WORLD CLASS Raul Meireles! and then move Gerrard right behind Torres (or the Kuyt partnership and have one come off the bench). I would like to see Lucas go on loan and play without the pressure Liverpool are in this term. It would help him with his confidence and not feel as intimidated at times. Use Pacheco in a more advanced role as a substitute (love him, but now is not the time to take chances!)

WINGERS - Glen Johnson at RW, Cole or Kuyt at RW if playing one striker. LW is occupied with Jovanovic who I'm a big fan of, however he also can be used a second striker (left footed). Babel. .well. Babel. .I hope you all watch every single minute of every game like I do, because Babel's time is obviously up in a Red's uniform and if throwing him into a package to bring Toivonen, Affelay or another striker, is his fate, well then so be it! LW is a problem for us and always has been. Juan Mata has been mentioned, but Torres would have to woo him, just like I thought Kuyt would have woo'd VDV. I like Guardado, because of his insistance to get the ball into the box. Same with Elia in Germany! I've been raving about Bale since Cardiff and spurs pick him up. A bit coup would be Arda Turan, (throw Insua, Plessis and cash or even Babel) as his creativity and guile would help us in the same mould as Joe Cole will. What do you all think about bringing Bentley or SWP at a cut price to play off the bench? (if they prove their worth. .they start!)

then. . .STRIKER. .ha HA. .This has been our downfall for years, however Kuyt did an admirable job last year filling in for Torres. Would you play Jova?? or Kuyt?? or do you feel comfortable with Ngog week in or week out? ?
How about Llorente? or Keane on loan again (7 goals with Reds and was misused by Rafa. ie: scores 2 goals in a game and doesn't see the pitch again for 3 matches. grrrr!). Huntelaar, Van Nistelrooy (just to burn Fergie), Raul, Kenwyne Jones (good in the air and from my family's homeland in Trinidad, where he also has a good attitude, doesn't complain much and gets the job done and would be even better with LFC). Can Mata (if he comes), Arda (if he comes), Cole, Ngog, Kuyt, Jova, Pacheco and even Stevie get the job done if Torres is not producing or injured?? I think so. .Ultimately, we need to sure up our wing play. If we can "pepper" quality crosses into the box and attack the box knowing that there will be good wing play (not dilly dallying with the ball), I truly believe that LFC WILL compete with any team on the planet!

Let the owners do whats right off the pitch and let's start putting the emphasis on the pitch! !. .Thats where we bleed the red of LFC!

YNWA - TIME TO DOMINATE WHICH ='s CONFIDENCE
SIM THE RED
(Hey Ed. What do you think about some of the rumours and do have you heard anything on the inside?)

{Editor's Note: It is remarkably quiet at present.}

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14 Oct 2010 04:10:53
Everyone needs to calm down! This is purely a legal matter now. No amount of sending emails to Obama or Cameron will really make any difference. Courts make decisions all the time that are contrary to what politicians would like to see happen. It is called the separation of powers.

However, do not fear. The next step for the directors/ RBS/ NESV is to have this injunction removed and to get a permanent stay of the proceedings (ie case) in Texas. This is basically a permanent injunction against the courts in Texas hearing the case there. Courts generally do not like there to be parallel cases running at the same time based upon the same set of facts. I think there is a good chance that a UK court would make a stay order because the UK is clearly the most appropriate jurisdiction for the case (including Hick's claims agains directors/ RBS) to heard because it has the most real and substantial connection with the facts of the case.

The directors and RBS are very well represented and I am sure that they knew that this would be a possibility.

Just sit back and watch it all play out knowing that the Yanks will be gone soon. It's very rare to see such drama unfold in real life.

Aussie LFC YNWA!

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14 Oct 2010 04:03:27
OH. .MY. .GOD Ed. . . .

I have just spent 2 hours reading this pdf copy of the order obtained by Tom Hicks and George Gillett to block the sale of Liverpool to NESV! . .
. .I've tried to cut and paste the most outrageous parts but couldn't, so i'll just inform. . On the rediculous timing of this Texas indjunction, they're basically saying they had to leave it this late to issue/ serve the board with it because. ."Based on their passed actions there is a significant possibility that defendents would take action designed to thwart any possible injunction if given advance notice of the application and hearing". . .WTF! !. . Ofcourse the board is gonna try defend themselves and the club from these shamefull stalling tactics! . . . . And on Hicks and Gillets rediculous reasons for having this hearing in Dallas Texas , they say. . "Jurisdiction is proper in this court due to the intentional tortious conduct that they have directed at this state". . WTF! !. (is your blood boiling yet?). . .They then proceed to go on and on about how our three Muskateers were only ever spys for RBS and that their sole aim was to make sure they didn't recoup any of their original investment rather then make sure we went to the best owners! !. . They then go on complaining that the board bowed to supporter pressure by excluding them from negotiations and turning down offers that would have made sure they got some money back! . . Seriously Ed, I cannot believe they are really trying to paint a picture where they are the victims!?. .Reading what they are claiming has truely opened my eyes as to how little shame they have. And I'm not even gonna comment on the £1,000,000,000 they are claiming in damages!. .Ed, at what point does the FA say "enough is enough" and tell these two pr* *s to p* s off? . .Cos i'm telling you, if they don't put an end to this mess. .FIFA or UEFA will eventually do somthing so outlandish that makes it near on impossible for PREM clubs to get sold on in the future. .Cant you just picture Sep Plater and Platini sitting in a dark room watching the drama unfold on the telly, getting angry that such a major footballing story is happening without them involved?!?!. . .Ed. .Tell me something good please. .this is killing me. . .

SI
YNWA

{Editor's Note: This is simply tactical and there is mass over-reaction to something which we do not yet understand the ramifications of.}

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14 Oct 2010 03:57:35
Jesus christ OBAMA! People get a grip, ye honestly think he's goina open ye're emails and then intervene in a lawfull case because ye want him to do it ye're way.

Just let RBS and all their extremely well paid lawyers deal with this idiot and they'll have the case dismissed no worries. The judge hasnt even seen that this case has been dealt with in the British high court, its a stalling tactic that won't work, that's all.

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14 Oct 2010 02:16:57
Jim Jordan is running for Chief Justice of Supreme court of texas. Elections in November. Obama will be very aware of who he is as this is predominately a Republican state. email the white house too. it won't hurt

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14 Oct 2010 02:11:26
Just sent an emai to Obama ( I am |Pissed) and explained everything to him. Will he listen?
RHI

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14 Oct 2010 02:04:48
Ed please post on banter and rumours pages.

This is the email address of Judge Jim Jordan. his web site is www dot judgejimjordan dot com and his email address is info@judgejimjordan.com. He a democrat (obamas party) in a very republican state(republican G>W> Bush State) I would like to see him contacted by our red army and let him know how we feel about his fellow countrymen. Hicks is despised in Texas because of what he did with the Rangers baseball team. Ironically they won a playoff game for the first time last night 6 months after the team was sold from Hicks in bankruptcy court. Let's be respectful and thorough with our passion and pleas. YNWA.

Paul

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14 Oct 2010 02:03:10
Calm down people.Rbs is the british goverment they own it, you think heavyweights like them will sit back and let a pissy court in texas and two crooks put pressure on them, things have not got worse for us but a lot worse for the cowboys.Rbs will destory the pricks.Just imagine the amount of power rbs have the lawyers, the influence and this is all on our side.Rbs are about to bring a nuclear bomb to a fist fight.

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14 Oct 2010 01:45:42
Not sure what good it will do but i have just emailed both Obama as well as Cameron, to ask what they can do to stop this mickey mouse Texas judge from helping two crooks from ruining our glorious club.
They both knew they didn't have a cat in hells chance of winning in a British court against RBS so they used this case as a smoke screen to gain the time needed to find a judge stupid enough to listen to their drivel.

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14 Oct 2010 01:20:34
Regretably, Thomas Hicks and George Gillett have tonight obtained a Temporary Restraining Order from a Texas District Court against the independent directors, Royal Bank of Scotland PLC and NESV to prevent the transaction being completed.

What was this all about?? ?? ?? ?? ? ?Ed. what happen next? {ed's note - read down mate, we have been talking about it since it was announced earlier.}

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14 Oct 2010 00:59:17
Sent to jj

Hi Judge Jordan (or secretary).

If this mail reaches you i just want to state I know you are working for the sole purpose of law, but honestly you cannot be serious in issuing a restraining order to block the sale of our club. I'm for one not even British (I'm an Irish neighbour), but I hold this club in the same respect as they do. All I want to say is that Tom Hicks & George Gillette (To the best of my knowledge) have agreed with Royal bank of Scotland & Mr. Broughton that the club would be sold to the best candidate (NOT WEALTHIEST). Hicks & Gilette have valued the club between 600-800 million US dollars, which i understand they have calculated their overall profit. I honestly see it as greed as if i were in their position, I would feel I was a failed businessman who bought an institution based on lies and false hopes (not to mention the worldwide resession), and for the good of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, and i mean fans that take this very very seriously!

This order cannot happen. FULL STOP. Never even mind the $1.6bn suit these guys claim.

I understand by all of the trouble with the ownership, this case has damaged these clowns beyond repair (hence the $1.6bn). Who would do business with them now? The Cowboys almost bust? Do you support them?

Really this is just a rant, I love the club just as millions of others do. Who gets paid here? You, Messers Hicks & Gillette? Who??

We are paying, , , , , Not with money though. I don't think of money when i travel to the club. It's something i don't think anyone in the states will ever know. But hey, LAW IS LAW. . . . .

Regards,

RED.

PS: Ever hear the song Youll never wallk alone?

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14 Oct 2010 00:51:43
We all knew he wouldn't go quietly. The fact that he's had to resort to using a judge from Texas and such scare tactics as monstrously large damages claims show that this is his final roll of the dice. If they had such a letter as they claim showing some kind of conspracy on the behalf of RBS to negate their profit they'd have produced it earlier in court. It will be a matter of record as to how much bidders were offering and Hicks himself stated that ultimately the market would dictate the price. He's reaching now to gain a few pennies and save face, nothing more. I wouldn't be surprised to find i decreed that a US district judge does not have the jurisdiction to issue such an order.

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14 Oct 2010 00:48:05
EErrrrr. .
People leave one US state to avoid law from another.
All this is 'Mickey Mouse' from a district(small cowboy town) court in Texas. I suppose Wyatt Earp filed the case. £1 Billion in damages. Why not £3 Billion ?

I am sure some 'Hick' Town in Texas has jurisdiction over the Old Bailey.
Yeah right. Oh hello Doc Holliday, are you filing for damages as well ?

I thought Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid went to Bolivia ?

America is litigation mad, don't go there, it is dangerous for that reason. Do you remember McDonalds being sued because some woman spilt hot coffee over herself? Well the court in Texas is in the same building as McDonalds, just for ease of litigation.

Why this story has credence I will never know, dopy BBC again.

Nice to see that the facebook page of the paid-for judge has been taken down. Tell him when he has finished his bar tending with Doc Holiday.

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14 Oct 2010 00:46:11
14 Oct 2010 00:26:49
If this were made into a film it would be a 5 hour long epic! Casting so far: Sir Ian McKellan as Martin Broughton. James Cromwell (I-Robot, Babe, The Green Mile) as John W Henry. Any thoughts on who should play the other leading roles? Just a bit of fun, as those two yanks have ruined my day yet again!

Surely the actors who played Randolph & Mortimer Duke in Trading Places will play the yank w&@kers?!

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14 Oct 2010 00:39:43
Am I right? We belong to RBS on Friday? It does not matter what the Yank court says. They say we belong to H & G - too late: Can they even pay RBS at this stage? It seems that we are with RBS irrespective and they sell to NESV or DIC or Zippy and Bungle immediately. And if we lose 9 points: So what? If we can't stay up we deserve to go down.

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14 Oct 2010 00:30:38
In all honesty I'd happily see us go into adminstration to get shot of those clowns. If we can't stay up after a 9 point loss we deserve to go down anyhow.

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14 Oct 2010 00:26:49
If this were made into a film it would be a 5 hour long epic! Casting so far: Sir Ian McKellan as Martin Broughton. James Cromwell (I-Robot, Babe, The Green Mile) as John W Henry. Any thoughts on who should play the other leading roles? Just a bit of fun, as those two yanks have ruined my day yet again!

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14 Oct 2010 00:24:42
F*ck IT TWO CAN PLAY AT THAT GAME

ONCE BROUGHTON SORTS THIS I SAY SUE HICKS FOR "SLANDER" BECAUSE HE IS STATING THAT BROUGHTON HAS BEEN EMBROILED IN A HUGE COVER UP FROM THE START

COUNTER SUE THE f*ck WIT FOR SEVERAL MILLIONS AND THEN USE THE MONEY FOR TRANSFERS ON PLAYERS OR TOWARDS THE NEW STADIUM

ONE WAY OF GETTING TRANSFER FUNDS FINALLY OUT THE PARASITE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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14 Oct 2010 00:15:34
Hi Ed pls post this on the rumour page. There were supposely 160 bids on the table and NESV were chosen to be the best what i dnt understand is what were the 159 offering they must knw that we need a new std, debts to be payed, transfer money so i can't see why NESV were the best choice. What i see is Hicks@Gilliet have been stitched up Broughton, Diamon and Henry that's whats pissing them off, if that's the case then this is wrong pls tell me what you ppl think


Come on Ed what do you think {ed's note - I don't see how any of us can know which bid is best. Anyone that claims to know better than the board, who have looked at the bids in much greater detail, is talking rubbish.}

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14 Oct 2010 00:14:35
Ed mate thanks for the guardian address i just read that the facebook page of that judge has recently been taken down and the phone to the court is unavailable but it also says that the hearing for the case is not until october 25 if those b*stards had any thing resembling a human heart they would plead any eergency hearing because surly now we will be ut into administration seriously i am losing my mind here there is not enough alcohol in the area to keep me sane if we go into admin expect to be out of premiere league and for all of our players to be gone and not only that but expect nesv to walk away from the deal hick will see then when we are destined for second league no one will come close to what nesv are offering to pay now he is a blind fool this is a man who is going to lose it all and i mean it all {ed's note - things wouldn't be that bad if we went into admin, the main problem would be a need to restart the sale process.}

i think the premier league will have to step in. broughton and co. also nesv have done everything above board. also with rbs in the courtroom. i still feel once the cloud is lifted, we will not be deducted 9. i honestly expect us to beat the blue half on sunday. there has been too much pressure on all of us players incl. 3 years of broken promises and turned into a laughing stock. times are changing. it's only a matter of time.

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14 Oct 2010 00:13:22
The Jude's email address

These two give the good peole of America a bad name!

info@judgejimjordan.com

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14 Oct 2010 00:12:26
Hicks please just go - can't take much more

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14 Oct 2010 00:09:03
Hi Ed pls post this on the rumour page. There were supposely 160 bids on the table and NESV were chosen to be the best what i dnt understand is what were the 159 offering they must knw that we need a new std, debts to be payed, transfer money so i can't see why NESV were the best choice. What i see is Hicks@Gilliet have been stitched up Broughton, Diamon and Henry that's whats pissing them off, if that's the case then this is wrong pls tell me what you ppl think

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14 Oct 2010 00:07:07
F. k it! I start emailing to Obama. The bast. ds are shaming the US and the world community. Long live Marx and Engels!
RHI
RHI

Just sent an e-mail to the White House

FAO - President Obama

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14 Oct 2010 00:02:47
Ed mate thanks for the guardian address i just read that the facebook page of that judge has recently been taken down and the phone to the court is unavailable but it also says that the hearing for the case is not until october 25 if those b*stards had any thing resembling a human heart they would plead any eergency hearing because surly now we will be ut into administration seriously i am losing my mind here there is not enough alcohol in the area to keep me sane if we go into admin expect to be out of premiere league and for all of our players to be gone and not only that but expect nesv to walk away from the deal hick will see then when we are destined for second league no one will come close to what nesv are offering to pay now he is a blind fool this is a man who is going to lose it all and i mean it all {ed's note - things wouldn't be that bad if we went into admin, the main problem would be a need to restart the sale process.}

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14 Oct 2010 00:00:47
11.50pm: It also appears that the Facebook page of Judge Jordan, who granted the restraining order, has been taken down. Can't think why. I've also been told that the phone line to the Texas court is unavailable. . . . i'm very proud at what has been done by the fans. they shut everything down when it comes to liverpool. WE WILL WIN

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