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13 Sep 2012 21:09:33
John Henry Roumour: red sox owner denies report Boston red sox is for sale

Although their is no smoke without fire, could he be trying to off load liverpool fc instead, this venture has been nothing but a 5 hour flight forwards and backwards for him.

Or possibly nothing is happening

I did remember saying that it would not surprise me if LFC were sold and I think this is the birth pangs that will eventually lead to the sale of LFC. I do remember a similar article presented itself when Hicks & Gillette were looking to sell. Although they later (or should I say Hicks) denied the sale it did eventually prove true. Interesting watch this space!!

At 64-79 and on their way to a last-place finish in the AL East, the Red Sox are a mess. They certainly did themselves a big favor when they jettisoned Beckett, Crawford and Gonzalez, but in doing so they signed up for a rebuilding phase that could take years to produce results. For the first time in the John Henry era, the Red Sox are facing a long road back to the top.
Rebuilding the Red Sox into contenders won't necessarily be a question of money so much as it will be a question of patience and”above all”passion

Sound familiar ???

You are a muppet..what indication has there been that fsg are goin to offload liverpool?you have just totally made this up and to try and justify it you have resorted to a cliche which just about sums you up..smoke without fire my a**e..rosred

Hopefully it's true and they sell to someone who doesn't see LFC as just something to make a profit from.

redmersey

Ed2 mate honestly do you think its too much for FSg to run both teams and they need to offload one of them especially when they have some franchise eg nascars etc to run. Thanks and appreciate your answer mate {Ed002's Note - I don't see a problem.}

You blokes should work for the media. Trying to make a story out of some conspiracy theory that they are looking to sell LFC

Slimbo

Rosred ... I think Muppet has made a valid point you look like complete tit.

After the torrent of anger aimed at John Henry and FSG got on the official LFC website recently with regard to the non-signing of a striker or two on last day of the summer transfer market I wouldn't be at all surprised if John Henry was shocked at the amount of anger he faced and started to think about selling LFC.

John doesn't seem the type to want to face that sort of thing very often to me. He might sell up. It's entirely possible.

I will post this again but don't hold up any hope of it being printed, because clearly the ed's don't believe it to be the case...or they're warned off somehow.

I can't reveal my source, but communications have been going on for some time now regarding a buy-in / buy out of the club. This has been going on for at least two months, and has nothing to do with (directly) the aftermath of the non-signings.

Maybe once it happens or light is shed on it, then you will believe.

Marshy {Ed001's Note - FSG are in the process of sorting out online media rights, with the expectation of it being more valuable than TV deals. Why would anyone think they would consider selling up now?}

Why whould he want to sell Liverpool? Next year sees a 70% rise in TV revenue. The premier league will be awash with money again

I belive they are willing to sell liverpool,as they cant afford to fund both us and the red sox!.It all adds up,cutting the wage bill,failing to invest when we were crying out for reinforcements,and the stadium issue has gone alarmingly quiet...

Lets forget everything fsg has done for liverpool so far because they didnt buy 2 strikers or again waste money on players after getting stung over carroll adam downing with ?? over henderson.. yup just go and blaze the clubs money away fsg just to apease fikkle fans... sorry but we dont need this crap round about now.. FsG are here to stay.. Deal with it.

R2TB

He would be doing well to make that flight in 5 hours either way, isn't the concorde grounded?

If the club WERE sold, it would be worth a lot more than the £300 million FSG paid.

13 Sep 2012 19:10:53
I believe that John Henry as come out and said that the Red sox are not for sale. Just saying what ed 2 as been saying.

Mighty reds

Mighty reds mate do you think if they really wanted to sell red sox they will say in the media that they want to sell. This things happen behind close doors and never trust what bussiness man says mate

Well redmersey what would you suggest? Do you really believe that LFC should be something like a bookies where people throw their hard earned cash away and everyone else's too? We've see what hasty buying at over-inflated prices does so they've tried our standard football club business model and they don't like it. Let's at least give them the courtesy of trying it their way for a while. By the way, in case you say that they know nothing about running a football club could you let us all know what your business qualification is in? Essentially it's a business like any other. It has customers (fans), competitors (mancs), resources (players, staff, grounds and other assets) and revenue. It all needs to be managed properly. The added factor is history but even many businesses have that too. Finally, to finish my rant of the day, in case you were also thinking of saying you only want players who have LFC engraved on their heart then that ain't gonna happen either. It's what's engraved on the contract that counts. What I would call for is a little honour on all sides and say that we should stick to contracts when they have been agreed.

13 Sep 2012 16:55:10
Ed, I read on Fox Sports that they heard the Boston Red Sox is up for sale. Have you heard anything?

Thanks

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Since June FSG has been looking at various options related to their portfolio. There were valuations put on the sale of certain businesses, one of which is the Red Sox. At this time our feeling is that the Red Sox are not for sale, but that may well change.}

I live in America, more specifically the new York city metropolitan are. On the major new york sports radio station, wfan 660 am, they were just talking about this. They were saying that the owners of the red sox are indeed interested in potentially selling the red sox and focusing more on Liverpool. Wether or not this will happen i don't know, but it is a fact that it is being discussed on the radio over here as news.

Are they having money problems Ed? The Red Sox make them money, I don't understand why they would sell them. Hopefully to focus 100% on LFC.

What you think? Thanks.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - It is not a money issue but they did have valuations done in June - as I have mentioned before. Recent events will have made them think very carefully about the way forward as a business. I would not make too much of this right now.}

Ed would they consider selling us? {Ed002's Note - The recents threats to the owners and Mrs Henry and the abuse they have been at the end of would no doubt have pissed them off a great deal. They will be aware that a lot of the fans want them to sell up. As I explained previously, the valuation placed on the club in June, based upon the best option for a sale - via floatation, only matched the Forbes valuation of the club. Given what happened with other similar floatations, notably the recent offering fo Manchester United, unless they want a quick exit it is not the way forward.}

Would it be fair to say Ed that they also got a valuation on us? In your opinion.

Thanks

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Yes they did. This has been dealt with before.}

Red Sox fans have been disillusioned with FSG. Perhaps FSG have run out of ideas to improve Red Sox. If FSG think LFC fans are out of order, well they haven't seen anything yet. We will not be happy if FSG have bullshiiittteeedd the club. {Ed002's Note - Making threats is really not the way for fans to build a relationship with the owners.}

Didn't know you had covered this story already Ed. I was gone most of the summer.

Thanks mate.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - We covered the valuations being obtained Blair. It came at the time Manchester United were floating a small amount in order to (hopefully) nail the valuation the owners wanted before selling a bigger chunk. I am told that the early exit option for FSG (a floatation) would only likely yield what Forbes values the business at. Like the Red Sox, the owners value the club higher than Forbes do so it makes little sense to opt out and sell right now unless an early exit is sought. I am aware of the rumours coming from Fox, but will re-iterate that bat this time our feeling is that the Red Sox are not for sale.}

We all know the owners bought us to build the brand and sell in the future for a profit.
Is that what they have done with the red sox?
Are they looking to sell now ed002 because they feel they have taken the red sox as far as they can and they see profit?

MIKEY {Ed002's Note - As I have said above, regardless of the rumours I do not believe that the Red Sox are for sale right now. I guess it is do you trust me or Fox News?}

Ed's how much would we be sold for. Lets get straight to the point. We dont want diplomatic people who will consider us a "business". We want a mega rich owner who understands the way soccer works. Who understands that its wise to give the manager atleast about 30-40M to splash on players he thinks is good, as well as keep any eye on FFP rules. Why do you think City are trying to get some players off their wage bill. Why the sudden move to Scott Sinclair. Im sure its because quite frankly, Sinclair has been better than Johnson this past season and the fact that he is british allows them to relax on the FFP rules.
In my opinion, the only way we will attract top players is to get "mega rich" like PSG have done. Mind, it doesnt mean that we must spend heavily but it atleast gives us hope of getting targets. At this rate, we cant attract top players in the 25-35M bracket simply because we are not consistent. Im sure we can attract them if we pick up the pace and start winning games on a regular basis... {Ed002's Note - Is there a queue of sugar daddies waiting to buy the club. The owners Liverpool has have spent a great deal on the club. I appreciate that a lot of folk want them out but the only viable quick exit route would be via a floatation and I have explained the financial issues with doing that. It would also then likely lead to institutional owners - then the fans would really have something to bleat about.}

Are we up for sale Ed?

Thanks mate.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Not at this time Blair.}

Regarding my point above Blair's, correct me if i am wrong, but were we in talks with two "Billionaire-esque" owners. One from China and one from Saudi Arabia. Surely, we could go back and talk to either of them of our situation at present... {Ed002's Note - Blair will tell you all about Kenny Huang.}

Perhaps they could be looking for more investment into LFC perhaps a some sort of buy in? 25-50%?
As for the Red sox, they may feel they have gone as far as possible with them, plus Football more interesting lol.
As for abuse they have been getting, i smh at those types...Espically to a pregnant women..
Lee73

You did try to warn me about Kenny Huang, Ed mate. You are the only person I would listen to regarding this stuff. Will you promise to keep me informed if anything happens? I don't want to make a complete balls up like the last time.

Thanks mate

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed002's Note - Sure Blair. Either I or WonderDogSparky on Twitter will keep you updated.}

The big Rumour is that a Chineese consoritum want to buy the club and rename the afield development from a sourse involved in brokering the deal
(jafs)

13 Sep 2012 15:59:01
My source has informed me that Rodgers has spoken personally to Fernando Llorente and his representives. Walcott also in the frame if he doesn't sign a new contract between now and when the window opens. Cheers Eds, much appreciated. {Ed002's Note - That would of course be tapping up and could well end in problems for the club.}

"my source" these make me laugh,this was posted on here yesterday,long before "your source" let you know mate.
Also at least leave a signature if you are not making this up?
Lee73

Why sell carroll to bring in llorente that is just stupid. i guess like your source (daliy sport)

Good source as an article has just been released saying that Fenway Sports Group may be looking to sell The Red Sox!

Dont want walcott basically cos hes crap not my words mr jimmy greaves said that and i happen to agree with him.

BR - Fernando, do you like friendly people?
FL - of course.
BR - scousers are the friendliest people on earth, come and say hello.
Tapping up (very discreetly)

Ed002, if it would cause trouble for the club it must be true. there is no faux pas liverpool will leave out these days! but it will be tapping up bent, andy carroll or even owen.

People like u that make up stuff , are rather pathetic and sad mate !! all very tedius and boring

Tapping up in the modem game, how do they do it and get away with it?

BR, Fulham and the rest, lfc seem to be foolish in their approach.

If anyone has read the secret footballer you will know that tapping up is the norm not the exception. Not saying that this rumour is true mind just making a point.

Ed 002 surely you are not that naive! If u could name one team or manager that doesn't tap up players I bow to you.. It goes on everyday, especially on international duty.
Gee {Ed002's Note - Where was it that I said tapping up does not happen? Why don't you take the time to actually read what I wrote before writing these embarrassing replies?}

13 Sep 2012 07:53:10
I posted on the 4th we were trying to hijack Del Piero's move to Australia.

I've heard now that we want to sign Walcott and Llorente as they are available on the cheap. Some serious competition but Rodgers is hopeful, speaking to Fernando personally and Theo was a player he tried to sign in the summer.

Also Henry might sell the Red Sox to focus attention on Liverpool and also because he is getting slightly bored of it.

Haha!! you fool!!

I agree. Being an American baseball fanatic who lives in the Boston area makes me think that Henry will sell his beloved Red Sox to focus on Liverpool. Makes perfect sense. Perhaps he'll even give himself a go at footie! God knows we need another striker :)

Mate you could not be so wrong on all accounts, behave!

And they all lived happily ever after

The guys whole image came from the red sox. he won't sell for liverpool

Actually, I can see the logic behind selling the Red Sox to concentrate on Liverpool.

The Red Sox aren't a global brand like Liverpool, Baseball isn't a globally televised sport like Football. Therefore, there is more potential in making a huge profit in Liverpool FC than there is in the Boston Red Sox. It is a conceivable idea but highly unlikely.

The Red Sox are largely profitable, have essentially the same revenue as LFC, are the 2nd most valued baseball team and are as a collective (on paper, at least) arguably worth more than LFC. {Ed002's Note - The Red Sox are worth substantially more than Liverpool.}

The worth of the Red Sox is $1 billion where Liverpool FC is only around $500- $550 million

Would be quite worrying if he sells when he gets bored. heard he wants to buy andy murray as hes bored with football and baseball

Yes, but the value of Liverpool can grow! The value of the Red Sox will not grow much bigger

Ed2 mate liverpool Fc were valued 800/900M by forbes in 2009 so there is no doubt we can still grow massively. At the same time we have got fans who can rival any team in the world. It just depends how henry wants to run liverpool fc.. If we get new stadium or extend anfield will be 3/4 higest team in the world and still can grow {Ed002's Note - That would be a US$ figure I guess. Liverpool has the potential to grow but would need to be back in the Champions League to sustain growth. The figure that is relevant now is the 2012 Forbes valuation - and this comes in around £435M - which is less than the cost of the business to the owners.}

Ed2 liverpool were valued by Forbes in 2008/9

Soccer Team Valuations
#4 Liverpool
04.30.08, 6:00 PM ET
England
League: English Premiership
www.liverpoolfc.tv

Liverpool dominated English and European football in the 1960s through the 1980s under legendary manager Bill Shankley and his successors. However, the club is marred by the fatal disasters at the Heysel and Hillsborough stadiums in 1985 and 1989, which took the lives of 39 and 96 spectators, respectively. An unexpected European Champions title in 2004-05 cheered the Anfield faithful. less so the arrival of new American owners to fund a new stadium and team to keep pace in the Premiership with Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal.

Team Value 1 $1,050 mil(777 mil / £523 mil) {Ed002's Note - Right, a lot diffenet to the figure you just gave in your previous post. Keep in mind that the Forbes valuations take into account currency changes as they are given in US$, so a small change in the actual value in GB£ can look much more for one year if the exchange rate is poor. As you have shown here, the 2009 figure came out at considerably less in £, but remains irrelevant in terms of where we are now. But to support your original point there is potential growth, but your mixing of currencies does not really make that opportunity as "massive" as you suggest.}

13 Sep 2012 03:29:47
Eds,
Any news on this football committee the club are supposed to be appointing?
Any ideas of the likely structure of said committee & any names been linked?
Cheers :-) {Ed002's Note - I suspect the word "committee" is making more of it than it really is. I would also doubt that there will be a "structure" to it. More likely to be the case is that a couple of "advisors" will assist the scouting staff and management in respect of potential transfers.}

Oh great - more advisors to help with transfers. The only good point is that we cant really get more incompetent than we currently are in the transfer market.....Can we?. We'll probably buy Andy Carroll back from his loan move at West Ham for £15m before realising that they were supposed to pay us for the player, then quickly send him out on loan again. Good times!

Boozley

You mean a Director of Football in all but name. {Ed002's Note - Not really. A DoF would typically be responsible for much more that transfers. He or she would be the interface between the board and the footballing staff; he would have not only the first team manager/coach reporting in but those running the reserve and various youth set-ups down to the under 10s; scouting staff would likely report in to him as well. The impression I get from what the owners have said is that they are looking to bring people in as more of a sounding board. If you look at other clubs, Chelsea has advisors who take a very active involvement in the transfer process but a much smaller role on a day-to-day basis - but they have a Director of Football. Arsenal involve some scouts in transfer decisions. Real MAdid and Barcelona have DoF but the manager plays a lesser role in the transfer process. It is really finding something that works for the club.}

Ed any info on who the members of that Group could be ? {Ed002's Note - Not at this time, it would be guesswork pretty much.}