Liverpool Rumours Archive September 10 2010

 

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10 Sep 2010 23:47:41
BMY:
"Could Blair mayne please tell us all were he gets his info from? i can't find it anywhere.
bosco
No were bosco all of what i've said is public knowledge i.e Sheikh Mohammed, Keith Harris, RBS, Barlceys/ Barcap etc, IF this is what you're talking about?
I have only 2 source's ED and Sharkey as they seem to know more than anyone what's happenening at our Great Club."

Where do you get the Sheikh Mohammed being public knowledge, give me one valid link that relates that Sheikh with livepool in 2010 . just one simple link . .please

Also I don't think Sharkey ever claimed he knows anything about Liverpool , he is a very good analyst of the information available in public . you need to read his posts more carefully.
Roy

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10 Sep 2010 23:38:44
10 Sep 2010 22:10:07

Could Blair mayne please tell us all were he gets his info from? i can't find it anywhere.

bosco

No were bosco all of what i've said is public knowledge i.e Sheikh Mohammed, Keith Harris, RBS, Barlceys/ Barcap etc, IF this is what you're talking about?

I have only 2 source's ED and Sharkey as they seem to know more than anyone what's happenening at our Great Club.

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. And Reality Red isn't bad either.

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10 Sep 2010 22:39:08
Iverpool Rumours
To the muppet who said prince of kolkata is a cricketer. The prince of kolkata is an elder statesman who is still running the east india company. I don know if this is true. But it is wishful thinkin cos they are stinking rich. .

Dude i am from India . and prince of kolkata or calcutta is not actually a prince but a nickname given to our ex indian cricket captain . and they are not stinking rich so kindly keep your tongue to yourself maybe beneath you where ever you wish like.

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10 Sep 2010 21:45:28
10 Sep 2010 20:03:25
BREAKING NEWS!
Liverpool Have Been Taken Over !

100% correct!

We have been taken over by RBS!

Blair mayne YNWA

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10 Sep 2010 21:05:45
Stop talking garbage - no takeover close to completion not to mention done and dusted. Get a life nobody knows jack s* t whats happening and we will still be here biting our nails in October to see what position our great club is in

TrueRed73

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10 Sep 2010 20:19:04
So where is this wild fire - it's raining where I am so not much chance of fire!

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10 Sep 2010 20:04:51
Take over is complete !
The news is spreading like wild fire

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10 Sep 2010 20:03:25
BREAKING NEWS!
Liverpool Have Been Taken Over !

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10 Sep 2010 19:38:36
Take it on good authority all debts that are within a month of maturing without likelihood of repayment will go into the toxic group. The worry is that the bank believes there is no likelihood of repayment from any source and that as this groups specialises in moving orgs into administration rather than selling the debt. The only positive thing about this is that any potential bidders will know this and will leave it to the last minute to get a bargain (a bit like transfer window day).

However, knowing our track record in recent years in getting last minute deals it doesn't fill me with much confidence

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10 Sep 2010 18:48:32
"To the muppet who said prince of kolkata is a cricketer. The prince of kolkata is an elder statesman who is still running the east india company. I don know if this is true. But it is wishful thinkin cos they are stinking rich."

The prince of Kolkata is nick name / title given to Sourav Ganguly a cricketing legend . .
So the original poster was not a muppet . check facts before calling names, else the name calling will be reflected back on you.
Roy

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10 Sep 2010 17:58:59
To the muppet who said prince of kolkata is a cricketer. The prince of kolkata is an elder statesman who is still running the east india company. I don know if this is true. But it is wishful thinkin cos they are stinking rich. .

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10 Sep 2010 17:53:15
Oh my god! Prince of kolkata is a title given to saurav ganguly who I know is a cricketer. Why would he buy a football club. Some piece of garbage has been put in here. Why don you guys stuff your houses with such nonsense instead of spoiling this site . And the ed thinks this is wishful thinking. How can someone even wish this kinda thing . One can wish a multi billionaire trying a buyout. Not a cricketer for god's sake.

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10 Sep 2010 17:50:26
"10 Sep 2010 17:26:18
The prince of kolkata is in discussions with broughton on buying a 51% stake of liverpool !"

Hmmm. . . I smell a rat. . Firstly, I didn't know there WAS a royal family in kolkata (calcutta), let alone a prince with a billion or so to invest in footie. I mean India used to have scores of royal families a couple of centuries ago, but nowadays. .?
Hmmm. . The prince of kolkata, you say. .
Is Princess Leia fronting the bid?

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10 Sep 2010 17:42:12
Guys at kolkata are known to be hard core man ure fans. So I doubt he would have interest in liverpool . Ed what do you think. First it was a deadman german arms dealer. Now its about a prince of kolkata. . Newer names which sound like crap to me {ed's note - I never believe any of these stories, they all smack of wishful thinking to me.}

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10 Sep 2010 17:37:40
To the guy who posted about the prince of kolkata .
Mate. I heard about this too. I so hope its true. Cos he is known to be a football fanatic.

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10 Sep 2010 17:26:18
The prince of kolkata is in discussions with broughton on buying a 51% stake of liverpool !

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10 Sep 2010 17:14:41
To this guy

10 Sep 2010 16:49:46
Insua is on loan for a year, his contract expires in June 2011, I really don't think we have anything to bargain with.

yes on loan to galla you nugget if they like him we give him to them + 8 million Doh

When Insua's contract is up he's free to go when he pleases therefore we can't give him to anyone so get your facts right before insulting people

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10 Sep 2010 16:49:46
Insua is on loan for a year, his contract expires in June 2011, I really don't think we have anything to bargain with.

yes on loan to galla you nugget if they like him we give him to them + 8 million Doh

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10 Sep 2010 16:37:31
Why did gerrard and torres stay? ?

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10 Sep 2010 16:01:32
Turan would make a lot of sense in many respects- there are a good few talented wingers who can score goals and create things, but the main point in his favour is he actually supports LFC, and he wouldn't be just another mercenary.
Yes these are professionals, and they mostly show great commitment no matter what their club, but you are bound to get that bit more from a man who has been a lifelong fan and who is realising a dream just by being there.
Its always a gamble whether they'll acclimatise to the premiership game, and I have heard he is a bit lightweight when it gets physical. Some people here have said they watch him at Gala's ground and he's not consistent, others say he's a genius. But Kenny has scouted him and rates him highly, so he can't be bad, right? And he is a regular pick for the Turkish national starting eleven.
I just hope that if we get new owners in time for january, there is enough money to make a bid for him. LFC really should have more top class players like that available to get the required strength in the squad for a serious challenge at top honours next season. We want players who really want to be at the club as opposed to other clubs. He has the loyalty and the talent to become an Anfield great, and I just pray he gets the chance to prove it.

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10 Sep 2010 15:58:31
Liverpool are sending scouts over to watch Ricky van wolfswinkel.
i would try and get him, he looks like a cracking player.

And Roy has denied us ever wanting to buy van der vaart

hopefully (fingers crossed) we should have new owners in October but the question is, who would buy us any ideas ed and everyone else?

Dan (also is anybody going the steau game next Thursday?)

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10 Sep 2010 15:40:50
RE: Attacker and Turkish international Arda Turan

The player has two years left on his contract and i don't see him moving this season.

Since this season has already begun, i don't see him moving anywhere. He may just run the contract down and see what happens. but the player is in good form at the moment.

Galatasaray Reject 11m Bid From Atletico Madrid, had proposed to pay the fee over three instalments: 3 million in December, a further 3 million in July 2011 with the balance to be paid in July 2012 but the bid was dismissed.

I think money is tight across europe at the moment to be spending huge amounts on a flair player.

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10 Sep 2010 15:40:00
I disagree. I think blaire mayne talks sense many a time. He along with sharkey do come up with some good posts I should say. However I dislike his attitude towards other posts. I mean his comments on a crap post are really funny too but he does tend to comment the same way on some meaningful posts, cos he doesn agree with it.

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10 Sep 2010 15:09:57
- if we do try to sign him maybe insua would be used plus cash, maybe insua plus 6/ 7/ 8million or something like that.
harry5

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Insua is on loan for a year, his contract expires in June 2011, I really don't think we have anything to bargain with.

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10 Sep 2010 14:41:51
Unbelievable or not this looks as though its going to happen, due to roy and harry being good friends, come jan liverpool will have on loan jenas & o'hara from spurs!

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10 Sep 2010 13:34:44
I difeintely is a price issue as the editor(s) said:
The valuation of £490 million by Markus von Hohenzollern-Viet and his partners certainly seems to be below the figures quoted extensively in the UK media. But, if the price does drop to a more realistic figure, then he may not be the only one looking to get in fast.

My only concern about Viet is not that he's an arms dealer, but that he also has two Americans in his group! I want a European influence at the club and the mentioned links with a strong German club for 'twinning' - which I take to be Borussia Dortmund? - certainly offers that.

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10 Sep 2010 13:14:28
Just Ignore Angry fan obviously some-one who has no real life to speak of, so plays the keyboard warrior, just a sad lonely WUM sitting in his bedroom wondering what happened to his life.

TBH the mods should delete his posts as its just inciting other people into a reaction.

{Editor's Note: I don't think deleting her or his posts is the answer. Maybe readers should take them in the good nature they were intended. It does seem that some Liverpool fans perhaps very quickly to anything like this.}

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10 Sep 2010 12:26:07
Quick note to the editor from the reader that can't read - sorry your right I can't read. . . still. .it was a rubbish rumour. . . . problably!? X {ed's note - I didn't disagree with that, Turan won't be joining or he would have done so by now.}

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10 Sep 2010 12:17:45
Two players coming in summer
Arda Turan £12-15M
Mario Gomez Loan

Players will be leaving

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10 Sep 2010 12:17:33
"As I always mention, Liverpool attracts me because of their tradition, " he said last year.

"In Europe, I am a Liverpool supporter, so if I go to play in Europe, I would like to play for them.

"My dream has always been to play for one of the top European clubs, but you shouldn't make concrete plans in your life because sometimes these plans cannot be achieved.

"This is my dream, but for now I'm just working on my football."

Now before every one starts sayin stop takin stuff off LFC all i want to say is after reading this liverpool would be mad not to buy TURAN this mesage is sayin COME GET ME LIVERPOOL he only wants to play for liverpool. He is a good winger an just what liverpool need. Ed do u think liverpool would be crazy not to buy this lad or do u think it would be good if we did not buy him

{Editor's Note: His club would have to be prepared to sell the player and we would need to raise the money from somewhere. However, he would undoubtedly be a good addition.}

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10 Sep 2010 12:08:30
Macca why should we believe what u say, rnt u the same fella who said Gerrard was defo off to Madrid?

Rez

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10 Sep 2010 12:05:10
Is there still a possability that, liverpool fc could be asset stripped, once the bank takes over they may come to the conclusion, that breaking up the company earns more money, and look at the free advertising it would bring them, just remember the banks are not the peoples friends, is RBS part of the state bail out?yes so if they sold some assets they could re-gain some of the debt, five player sales could bring the debt down by more then £100 million, the sales of the training ground for re-developement could bring in £40-£50 million, thats a very large chunk of the debt, re-paid, and the downward spiral will continue, unless one owner buys the club, and not a consortium, liverpool fc should be very nervous.
{Editor's Note: There is zero chance of this happening.}

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10 Sep 2010 11:35:47
Ed do you think that no one has bought liverpool because the buyer is waiting on the RBS to take over so liverpool can be bought much cheaper cheers ed

el irish nino
YNWA {ed's note - it is definitely a price issue, no one wants to pay more than they have to.}

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10 Sep 2010 11:04:08
Article from this morning's Guardian (by the way - big ed, would it not be better policy to allow URL links to be posted even if they were inactive and had to be cut and pasted in a browser)

* "Tom Hicks and George Gillett's ill-starred reign as owners of Liverpool looks like having less than a month to run after the club's loans with Royal Bank of Scotland were placed into its toxic-assets division.

The deadline for the refinancing of the owners' personal loans from RBS is 6 October, and that now looks set to be the date that Hicks and Gillett's association with England's most successful club will end. The bank's decision to switch the debts to its Global Restructuring Group is the strongest possible signal that these loans will not be extended.

The co-owners' previous attempt to refinance the debts in June, when they are believed to have offered to secure the loans against their US assets, was overruled by the club's board, led by the chairman, Martin Broughton. Now, with the loans having been shifted into RBS's so-called "bad bank", where all toxic assets have been housed since last year, it is clear the club's lender has also adopted a more steely stance towards the Americans.

One source with a knowledge of Liverpool's dealings with RBS said: "If it has been taken out of the hands of the corporate banking department they'll have a much more ruthless approach on 6 October." An informed view from another source close to the situation is that the bank would hope to sell the club, possibly at a knockdown price, in the coming weeks or as soon possible after 6 October.

According to the club's accounts to July 2009 Liverpool's owners owe £237.4m to RBS. Through companies in the UK and overseas, Hicks and Gillett are also personally exposed to tens of millions of pounds in other commitments to the club and its lender. These have been a mixture of cash, which the pair have injected through equity, and guarantees to the RBS loans. Last year's accounts stated these amounted to £145.3m, but it is believed to have risen dramatically after the last refinancing agreed five months ago.

RBS would hope to achieve an orderly sale without having to take control of Liverpool. However, depending on the terms of the April refinancing agreement which have never been made public that may prove difficult if the co-owners, who value the club at £800m, refuse to go quietly.

One tool at RBS's disposal is to force the insolvency of Liverpool's UK parent and associated companies. It is clear from mortgage documents lodged with Companies House that in the event of default RBS has the power to place Kop Football and Kop Football (Holdings), as well as Gillett's loan-security vehicle, Football UK Ltd, into administration. However that would be unpalatable for the bank, Liverpool's board and the Premier League since it would require the imposition of a nine-point penalty on the club.

By exercising those clauses the bank would also effectively take control of Liverpool. Although RBS's restructuring group describes itself as being responsible for "the management of any problem lending portfolios", the bank has no long-term plans to hold the club as its subsidiary. Instead it is expected RBS would prefer to fulfil another of its stated aims the "maximising [of] debt recoveries" by selling the club in short order.

That means there are also strong signs RBS will now be prepared to accept a knockdown price in order to cut its ties. During negotiations with prospective buyers Broughton, and the investment bank advising him, Barclays Capital, have maintained that Liverpool's debts with RBS must be paid in full as a minimum sale price.

Provided buyers still retain an interest in taking over Liverpool beyond 6 October, it will mean a more orderly sale process. There would be only one party for purchasers to negotiate with and the club's debts would be manageable.

The departure of Hicks and Gillett is an outcome that would delight Liverpool fans. The Kop Faithful group wrote in an open letter to the RBS group's chief executive, Stephen Hester, this week: "Hicks and Gillett were proved to be no more than a pair of liars. The promised 'no Glazer style buy out' was all of a sudden [a leveraged buy out] a club £350m in debt to effectively buy itself, when it had been sold for less than £180m in what seemed no time before."* {ed's note - url links can be posted, there is nothing to stop people just posting the url, it is just no one ever does. It is then up to the editor at the time to decide if it is relevant to the site or not to stop spam links etc.}

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10 Sep 2010 11:02:10
LFC fans, the new owners will wait until they can buy the club for the cheapest price. This is when the Americans are no longer in control, it is basic business workings, why would they pay more know than in 1 month! These people are not stupid that is why they are worth billions of pounds. I can assure all LFC fans that we will have new owners within 2 months, these things take time. RBS has been in negotiations with the new owners for the last couple of months. Be patient and don't worry, we will be a lot stronger by the turn of the year. Again i do not know who the owners are, just that the deal is very nearly done.
Macca

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10 Sep 2010 10:52:55
Unsigned wrote at 10 Sep 2010 10:35:42:

"Sharkey - sorry I missed out the word "protection". As I understand it, Chapter 11 is a form of corporate bankruptcy in the United States that enables a company to reorganise a faltering business.
Under Chapter 11 a company's management usually stays in place to run the day-to-day business, although all major business decisions must be approved by a bankruptcy court. We don't have a system like this in the UK and I wondered whether Hicks initially understood the impact of an adminsistration, which is an entirely different animal.

The point I was making is that with his recent track record, I find it hard to believe another bank would provide the amount of cash to Hicks in order to refinance.

I have seen suggestions here that any sale by H&G could drag on past mid-October. I do not think it will. I can't see any bank in this climate agreeing to the level of finance required and so that means a sale in the next few weeks, or administration follwed by a sale."

We'll see. Sharkey.

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10 Sep 2010 10:35:53
I'd like to correct myself steve mcmanaman owns race horses, not horse racers. however he did try that once but got sick of sharing his bed with midgets

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10 Sep 2010 10:35:42
Sharkey - sorry I missed out the word "protection". As I understand it, Chapter 11 is a form of corporate bankruptcy in the United States that enables a company to reorganise a faltering business.
Under Chapter 11 a company's management usually stays in place to run the day-to-day business, although all major business decisions must be approved by a bankruptcy court. We don't have a system like this in the UK and I wondered whether Hicks initially understood the impact of an adminsistration, which is an entirely different animal.

The point I was making is that with his recent track record, I find it hard to believe another bank would provide the amount of cash to Hicks in order to refinance.

I have seen suggestions here that any sale by H&G could drag on past mid-October. I do not think it will. I can't see any bank in this climate agreeing to the level of finance required and so that means a sale in the next few weeks, or administration follwed by a sale.

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10 Sep 2010 10:33:12
I don't think it will be McManaman.
I would have thought it would be more a person like Dalglish (Hansen a wild spin?) but von Hohenzollern-Viet was quoted in a German newspaper from Cologne yesterday as saying:
"A crossover of football language is much on my mind. We have (in the Bundesliga) some excellent managers and of those out of work, there are a few that would benefit both the club and the players with their knowledge."

Maybe this is more along the lines of the crossover or 'twinning' as he called it earlier this week, between Liverpool FC and a major Bundesliga club?

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10 Sep 2010 10:31:34
AnfieldRoad.com yesterday quoted Stephen Schechter CEO of the investment bank Schechter & Co as saying "If you were a prospective buyer, I would call RBS and say I'm interested in buying your loan. I would notify Gillett and Hicks that I'm the new lender and there will be no extensions, renewal or modifications of the loan: It is due and payable in full on October 6.".

I have no idea whether Stephen Schechter has any inside knowledge, but what he says makes a lot of sense. This option must have occurred to prospective buyers. It could be that the current sale process means that RBS cannot sell the loan until October 6th. However bidder(s) planning to do this could explain why nothing seems to be happening at the moment. I expect things to remain quiet until October 6th and then all of a sudden there to be a storm of activity. One way or another I think it is likely that new owners will have been announced by the end of October.

Bob

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10 Sep 2010 10:11:16
To the person who said this

"The report suggested that von Hohenzollern-Viet would NOT be the chairman, but instead they wuld appoint a former player (not current meaning in the last 10 years) to act as chairman, rather like in the Bundesliga model."

to my knowledge this is very much true, and the ex player in contention is Mr Steve Mcmanaman. the reason for this is he has a good business sense due to his ownership of horse racers, plus he was going to be chairman at birmingham a few seasons ago.

Paulus

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10 Sep 2010 10:03:50
ERR, Aguero is coming for 8 million, ERR Lucas in exchange for Kaka, ERR Messi on a pre-contract for 4.25 million, Beyonce to swap with my misses! Well everybody else makes up their own bul* hit why can't i! !

YNWA

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10 Sep 2010 09:56:11
Unsigned wrote at 10 Sep 2010 08:59:57:

"I work at a commercial law firm in Manchester and . . . . . . Also Hicks' Texas Rangers being put into Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the US must make it difficult for him to lay his hands on any finance at present."

One would have though that with your knowledge of commercial law you would know that Chapter 11 is not "bankruptcy" but "bankruptcy protection" which is very different.

Sharkey.

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10 Sep 2010 09:22:36
10 Sep 2010 09:01:01
Atletico madrid being linked with arda turan can only mean one thing. . aguero is on his way to rescue liverpool.

wow its just like having Sherlock Holmes on the case, yes yes its so obvious now that you point it out. Your parents must be so proad of creating such a genius.


We'll said mate lol!

Blair Mayne YNWA

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10 Sep 2010 09:01:01
Atletico madrid being linked with arda turan can only mean one thing. . aguero is on his way to rescue liverpool.

wow its just like having Sherlock Holmes on the case, yes yes its so obvious now that you point it out. Your parents must be so proad of creating such a genius.

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10 Sep 2010 08:59:57
The news that Liverpool is in the GRS team at RBS is old hat. I work at a commercial law firm in Manchester and it it the Manchester team at RBS that is running this. Although the offical call date for the debt is 6 October, RBS will give H&G until 16 October to pay up, either by securing finance elsewhere or through a sale. If they don't, the company the owes the debt, Kop Football Limited, and Liverpool Football Club and Athletic Grounds Limited (the only trading company which will have given security for the loan through a guarantee or a charge over the shares) will be placed into administration.

The guy running the show at GRS in Manchester is a rabid Manure fan and would love to put us in administration but I doubt his bosses would allow him to take any action to damage the value of the asset.

I canKt see H&G securing any additonal funding. Since they arrived, external debt has increased by £100mn with no discernable added value to the club (arguably a weaker team than 2007 and no CL football). So who will lend them anything on that basis? Also Hicks' Texas Rangers being put into Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the US must make it difficult for him to lay his hands on any finance at present.

So I think our only real hope of avoiding administration is a sale by the ultimate cut off date of 16 October. I can't see tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber walking away with much though. Why would anyone pay their silly asking price when the club could be picked up for a lot less in a fire sale?

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10 Sep 2010 08:55:02
Last night the German radio station RTL-S3 had a report on Markus von Hohenzollern-Viet's bid for Liverpool FC. He has not pushed on with the bid so far as one of his American investors (reportedly with a very large portfolio in oil and gas) wants to bring another investor into the bid. The report suggested that they valued the club at no more than £490 million but were in a position to clear the debts as well.
Not sure if that meant over and above the £490m?
More information on Viet came to light and apparently he is also the man who allegedly has a large stake in the Gulbarna-Mace Group who are in Los Angeles and keen to be involved in world sports.

There were questions about his arms business, but the German reporter said there were no issues in mainland Europe nor the USA about that, so why should there be in England?

The report suggested that von Hohenzollern-Viet would NOT be the chairman, but instead they wuld appoint a former player (not current meaning in the last 10 years) to act as chairman, rather like in the Bundesliga model.

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10 Sep 2010 08:48:35
Not a rumour. its a fact! Who ever wrote this is a retard:

Januray;
Arda Turan - 9m plus Insua & Taye Taiwo on a pre-contract agreement for next season
YNWA

How are we going to swap TWO players that we don't own?? Insuas contract ends in June 11, and we don't own Taye Taiwo - which editor lets this stuff through the net? {ed's note - or perhaps which reader needs to learn how to read. The rumour is referring to signing Taiwo on a pre-contract agreemement, not swapping him for Turan.}

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10 Sep 2010 08:07:31
Tom Hicks and George Gillett's reign as owners of Liverpool could have as little as a month to run, according to the Guardian, after the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) placed the club's loans with them into their toxic assets division.

This is the strongest signal yet that the loans will not be restructured. The deadline for the refinancing of the loans is October 6.

The report claims that the pair tried to refinance the debt in June, securing it against their personal assets. However, the attempt was overruled by the club's board, led by the chairman, Martin Broughton.

With the debts having been moved by RBS to its Global Restructuring Group a far more hardline attitude is set to come into force from the bank.

The bank may now apparently move to sell the club, more than likely at a knockdown price, within the next few weeks or as soon as possible after the October 6 deadline.

According to the club's accounts to July 2009 Liverpool's owners owe £237.4 million to RBS. The real figure could be much higher than that though, with Hicks and Gillett also reported as owing £145.3m due to commitments to the club and its lender.

That figure is apparently a mixture of cash, mainly injected through equity, and guarantees to the RBS loans.

Although RBS would apparently be reluctant to take direct control of the club or to force it into administration by placing the club's holding companies into liquidation.

They may want to sell the club in a cut-price deal though, with Broughton and the investment bank, Barclays Capital, advising him, maintaining that the club's debts must be paid as a minimum sale price.

The club's co-owners are said to value the club at £800m and have given signs in the past that they would be unwilling to accept any cut-price deal. It seems that their options on that score may be running out, however.

LFC'S MANGO

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10 Sep 2010 06:50:09
Yanks days look over the sooner the better thank god

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10 Sep 2010 02:29:44
Januray;
Arda Turan - 9m plus Insua & Taye Taiwo on a pre-contract agreement for next season
YNWA

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10 Sep 2010 01:33:53
Atletico madrid being linked with arda turan can only mean one thing. . aguero is on his way to rescue liverpool.

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