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15 Mar 2024 16:57:49
Hello ed1 hope u well. What do u think of Bobby Clark now that he has played a few games? Looks v good player to me, bit of everything in his game.

{Ed001's Note - he is very good, but he has a lot of work left to do to push into the picture when everyone is fit. He lacks physicality at the moment, though he does try to get stuck in to make up for it.}

15 Mar 2024 18:30:39
Bobby looks a tidy player needs to keep progressing and bulk up slightly, maybe like Salah will had to bulk up. Other than that very Happy for the lad.

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15 Mar 2024 19:20:06
Have you been impressed by Elliot this season Ed? I've honestly been impressed by him this season. When everyone else is injured, he stepped up and perform very well as a midfielder and RW. Crazy that he is only 20 and already played more than 100+ games for us. He is going to be a very good player for us.

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{Ed001's Note - I love him personally and he is getting better and better as the season goes on. We have a gem there with a great attitude to the game.}

15 Mar 2024 19:31:46
Effort and bottle can go along way Ed.

You can always bulk up to an extent. Having that bit of grit about you isn’t necessarily as easy to come by.

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{Ed001's Note - I agree but there would be no point in me saying he is perfect when that is the clear big weakness in his make up right now.}

15 Mar 2024 20:24:36
What do you think to McConnell Ed? Obviously haven't seen much of him and he keeps it simple, but if nothing else he looks a bit of a unit.

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{Ed001's Note - I like him, he is closer to the finished article than Clark, though a different type of player.}

16 Mar 2024 00:22:16
Clark has bags of potential for me. Isn’t he 19 still? Scored a European goal at anfield?! Good vibes.
Obviously not perfect but has lots of time to be the best version of himself. Like, he literally has years to go and I hope he does it all with us.

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16 Mar 2024 06:51:59
I think Elliot is awesome but I do fear he still doesn’t really have a position, I know that a weird think to say after 100 games but I’m still not sure he is a right mid Or right of a front 3 like salah. I might be mis-remembering but my view of him in those 3 or 4 games back in 2021 before the ankle dislocation were his best, I just thought the chemistry with Trent and salah was amazing and I think he lost something then. Don’t get me wrong I think he’s great can play and play for another 10 years or more but I wonder is there another line up where we get more from him. What do other think?

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16 Mar 2024 07:22:28
ED1 would love your view on this.

I’ve changed my view on Elliott. Very early on I said I felt his lack of blistering pace meant he couldn’t play RW to the highest level but he’s not that type of winger and plays it more like Diaz does these days. Tricky, linking play, fully of energy and less about beating the man on the outside.

It’s almost the opposite to when we had Mane and Bobby. Mane and salah would use pace and stretch the defence and Bobby would link up now Nunez stretches the defence and Diaz and Mo/ Elliott do a lot of the link up play.

I think it works well and the results are proving that as still scoring plenty of goals.

Thoughts?

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{Ed001's Note - I agree completely. We have a good mix of players now and it works well. Jota can also be that ball in behind through the centre to allow wide players to be links. I do think Elliott is better slightly deeper though.}

16 Mar 2024 09:37:28
Elliot and Joe go have been the difference for me this year when the rest of the 1st team have been missing they’ve stepped in and stepped up getting themselves in the convo for starting spots especially since the turn of the year they have been incredible for me .

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16 Mar 2024 12:06:29
Elliott seems to have been working in the gym. His physicality seems to be improving. His technical skill and passion has never been in doubt. A fan on the pitch!

Bobby Clark has not looked out of place at all. Presses, is quick, gets stuck into tackles, covers space intelligently and is really good on the ball. He looks like he's going to be a very good no8.

McConnell is an interesting player. Looks like he has good instinct for tackles and interceptions and if my eyes are not deceiving me, he's two-footed. Has some work to do on his physical attributes, but that should come in time.

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15 Mar 2024 16:45:26
Brilliant team Liverpool full good youngsters.

15 Mar 2024 12:30:50
Atalanta in Europa League quarters. Hopefully on of easier opponents we could face.

15 Mar 2024 12:53:14
Atalanta are no mugs.

The only team I wanted to avoid is Roma because of their ultras. Not worth the trouble. It actually annoys me that they are allowed to continue in the tournament after consistent issues.

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15 Mar 2024 12:54:57
Jürgen V Alonso in the final could have a great story behind it.

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15 Mar 2024 13:14:04
Be good to see how alonso does against wet spam.

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15 Mar 2024 13:27:36
Liverpool should be destroying this competition, no matter who we face. Atalanta are not the tricky, sleek team they were from 2018-2021 when they had Ilicic and Gomez causing chaos. They also can’t defend.
As the Sparta Prague manager classily pointed out yesterday, Liverpool are a high-level Champions League team playing at a much higher level than the other teams in this competition. No excuses for not winning it.

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15 Mar 2024 13:34:37
Leverkusen are not getting to the final they barely beat Qarabag, reckon West Ham will beat them tbh.

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15 Mar 2024 14:20:21
@Kloppers, i do share your view point. Leverkusen could actually underestimate west ham. West ham is playing top football by the way they crush Freiburg. Will be real test for Leverkusen.

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15 Mar 2024 15:26:30
Leek, top football? West Ham? Have you seen their last several games in the PL where many of their fans wanted (and still want) Moyes gone? Miss me with that stuff, man. Top football and WH in the same sentence is the stuff of pure comedy.

As fo Atalanta, we could have gotten Milan or Roma so I'll take it. We play up to our potential, we beat them and go thru.

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15 Mar 2024 15:36:44
Agree with everything you've said there, OliRed.

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15 Mar 2024 15:53:51
OliRed watch West Ham closer, when Paqueta plays they play. No coincidence their form dropped this season whilst he was unavailable.

Some feckless performances this season no doubt but any team with Paqueta, Bowen and Kudos playing can cause teams huge problems. Leverkusen have been superlative all season but are not infallible, West Ham I believe have won 26/ 28 of their last European matches. Highly unlikely it will be a procession and should be a good tie.

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15 Mar 2024 16:31:33
Any of the teams left could beat any other on a given day.

Over 2 legs though is there anyone left that could beat Liverpool? I don’t think so.

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15 Mar 2024 16:47:37
Big Jorg, I fully agree with you on the Paqueta being absent and all that BUT to say that WH has been playing top footie is just porkies, man. Have they had good performances? yeas. Have they had wretched ones? ABsolutely. Vs Arsenal (6-0), Nott. Forest (5-0) and at Fulham (5-0). Did I also mention vs LFC (5-1 and 3-1)?

That ain't top football by any stretch when you get battered by near tennis scores once in a while. Vs Leverkusen? It will be a great tie and Im looking forward to him.

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15 Mar 2024 16:56:21
I agree with that BP, I don't think any of teams left will beat us over 2 legs but a final a different story, 1 off game anything can happen. Good draw for us overall, although as far as winning it goes we probably better off playing leverkusan in quater final rather than a final as they be possibly distracted with closing out bundesliga title win. By time final is on they probably have it won.

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15 Mar 2024 17:17:46
We’ll win this Europa League with ease if we want.
Only way we don’t, is if we literally Chuck it because we focus on other competitions.

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15 Mar 2024 17:58:17
I'd quite like to see us hit double digits against Rome, just to teach their ultras a lesson.

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15 Mar 2024 18:56:52
@Lowel, I totally agree with you - what’s the need in playing any of the games ? We are far, far better than any of the other teams left in it. I’ve actually just written to UEFA pointing this out and have asked them just to send the trophy over to Anfield as early as possible next week.

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15 Mar 2024 19:28:26
I can see a Liverpool vs West Ham final tbh. Paqueta is back fit and they’re pretty resilient in European matches.

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15 Mar 2024 19:33:36
Leverkusen with batter West Ham this way and that way.

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15 Mar 2024 20:37:33
Agree with Lowe. I take nothing for granted, but I think I will be a bit disappointed if we don't add this to Klopps trophy haul.

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15 Mar 2024 23:13:46
We'll win this trophy, I have no doubts about it. We're so strong this season, no team will come close. Leverkusen deserve respect, they've done very well this season and I think they'll have enough to get into the final vs us.

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16 Mar 2024 06:30:04
Salah - Agreed on all points. Liverpool have coped quite remarkably with the injury crisis that would have ruined the seasons of pretty much every other team in the league. A lot of that is down to Jurgen Klopp, but it must be said our squad is packed with amazing technical quality. Though I doubt Alisson will play again until August, I think the injuries we have sustained in 2024 may turn out to give us the vital energy boost we’ll need to win 2 or 3 trophies this season.

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14 Mar 2024 19:21:02
Why can't VAR work for the referee on the pitch instead of them dictating what should and shouldn't be looked at? The ref should be able to say, can you get that up for me on screen so I can have a look before I make a decision. And vice versa the VAR should say at times you might want to look at that without making any decision themselves.

The games played at 100 miles an hour the refs cannot see everything that happens but VAR shouldn't be making the decision for the ref either. Its a obvious and simple solution.

14 Mar 2024 20:41:05
it's because the game is fast that they don't have time to second-guess every decision mate.

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14 Mar 2024 21:09:06
@K-86, it's cos the system is deliberately not set up to do the things you are saying hence, not set up with rational, a goal and desire to make things better.

Howard Webb told us wht VAR is supposed to do, based on the setup during his last apology tour (telling us that Odegaard doing his best Steph Curry impression in the box should have been a pen) as in, "Corroborate the on pitch decision of the ref" even if/ when it is wrong according to the actual rules governing the actual incident. The City game last week is your latest example. The Odegaard example is another one.

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14 Mar 2024 22:19:55
Because the game is corrupt. It's so obvious. Just like every other game or authoritative organisation in the land. I watch football for entertainment purposes only. A bit like WWE. You know its BS but you watch it anyway.

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14 Mar 2024 22:23:25
what do you guys expect here? Like if the ref waves play on do you expect them to blow the game up and say 'hold on lads, just need to double check something'?

It's not realistic.

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15 Mar 2024 06:52:09
The only thing I think is corrupt are the players and their behaviour on the pitch. The constant play acting and cheating to gain the slightest advantage. All this moaning about the refs but no regard whatsoever with what they have to deal with on the pitch every game and that certainly includes Liverpool players.
Maybe that might be a good place to start when we talk about the downfall of the game🤔.

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15 Mar 2024 08:21:22
As far as diving and getting in the refs face i think were one the teams who avoid it more than most. if that was a city player looking for a peno like the Doku tackle on Sunday the whole team would have surrounded the ref.

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15 Mar 2024 08:33:42
Let the referee do his job and give each team a few challenges and the get VAR involved then. They retain the challenge if they are correct and lose it if wrong, it works a lot better in rugby league, not perfect but better.

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15 Mar 2024 12:59:14
Logan - would you have just the challenge? Cos obvs the TMO in rugby League gets involved in far more than just when captain challenges a call.

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15 Mar 2024 15:31:33
Faithworks, that literally happened away at Palace when Andy Madley was called to the monitor TWO minutes after the fact to check and confirm the awarding of a penalty to Palace on the tackle from Quansah on Mateta.

That scenario has not happened to ANY team neither before nor after that. Again, I'm just saying what people did and what happened. Nothing more.

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15 Mar 2024 18:20:04
Yes I would Faith, unless there is serious foul play. There is a time limit on how quickly you can challenge in league too, so 2 mins later wouldn’t be allowed.

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15 Mar 2024 19:51:07
When we have refs heading off to work their nixers in the home of the owners of Manchester City for very large sums of money and PGMOL giving them their backing, it says everything really.

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16 Mar 2024 05:35:00
The VAR team should just be instructed to make the right call, regardless of ref's decision.

I don't actually think it's corrupt. But unconscious bias is strong-- there have been numerous studies about race and refereeing, for example, and people tend to very slightly favor members of their own race. They are probably not doing this on purpose.

Furthermore, there's another human bias where not doing something is safer than doing something. In The Trolley problem, for example, people are generally ok if the trolley runs over one person instead of a bunch, but ask them to shove another person so that person dies, saving ten, and they won't do it. This is, I think, applicable to referees making penalty decisions late in games. The notion that they "shouldn't decide a game" punishes them for blowing a whistle but imagines that they aren't deciding the game when they don't make the call.

Referees should for sure be trained in this stuff and instructed to try and overcome it.

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14 Mar 2024 12:10:36
A mate has just sent messaged me says Klopp as signed a new contract till 2026 he must be winding me up.

14 Mar 2024 12:43:59
Hi current contract is up to 2026.

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14 Mar 2024 12:48:17
That's weird, my mate messaged me the same thing yesterday after reading an article online. He then messaged again saying the article was 2 years old.

I'm afraid there's no going back on this one.

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14 Mar 2024 15:07:10
Wait, are we going "Back To The Future" agaiN? Where's Doc and Marty MacFly when you need them?

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14 Mar 2024 15:07:24
A mate has just messaged me saying we've sold Fernando Torres. Devastated.

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14 Mar 2024 15:47:28
I heard and read that Klopp and Edwards didn't see eye to eye on a number of things, hence one of the reasons why Edwards left,
sadly, Klopp is leaving the building, we have to move on .
the process has started, its going to be really exciting, don't think City will be that strong next season, but we definitely will .
YNWA .

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14 Mar 2024 20:42:08
maybe get back to your mate and check in if they're ok
:D.

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14 Mar 2024 21:10:01
Got me in stitches there, @Faith. Can we all take Klopp at his word and move on?

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15 Mar 2024 00:49:25
Ye Oli, at this stage it’s look almost silly on Klopp to make a U-turn lol.

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15 Mar 2024 08:19:16
Sorry Oli, was stuck in 1885!

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15 Mar 2024 19:00:27
A genuine grown up has made a decision based on looking after his health. End of story.

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14 Mar 2024 11:17:43
Just rewatching highlights from 15 years ago with Torres nicking the ball off of Vidic. Got me thinking, has there ever been a greater mismatch. Torres always had him in his pocket and Vidic got sent off numerous times. Hilarious.

14 Mar 2024 14:26:11
I used to hated seeing carra against drogba tbh - but surely award goes to Rudy at Norwich? Suarez used to traumatise him when he was in goal for them…poor lad.

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14 Mar 2024 15:09:17
Carra vs Thierry Henry was simply not fair. You can also add Phillipe Senderos to one of Drogba's victims. Some mismatch that was. All Drogba had to do was make eye contact with Senderos and his head was gone.

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14 Mar 2024 21:43:52
Remember Ashley Cole having CR7s number when they played each other or bale destroying maicons aura as a world class rb…. Testament to quality of VVD and Salah in they consistently are able to do what they do best against majority of players they face.

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14 Mar 2024 22:20:51
Bruno Fernandes v groundsman
Old Trafford groundsman missed a section of grass causing Bruno to complete a reverse 2 1/ 2 somersault with a 1/ 2 twist while in the pike position.
Complete mismatch.

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15 Mar 2024 00:32:14
I always found Drogba incredibly overrated to be honest. Turned up in a few big games which is what he's remembered for.

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15 Mar 2024 02:58:37
Think you either misremembering or didn’t watch him enough Babbitty, not only did Drogba score goals and terrorize defences, he was the focal point of their attack and linked up their play. Incredible player in my opinion, and I used to hate it anytime he was up against Carragher as he would just dominate.

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15 Mar 2024 07:10:21
Drogba didn't have the best of starts at Chelsea from what I remember, but boy oh boy he soon turned that around.
Same as Seano, my strongest memories of him were just bullying Carra. And NOBODY did that.
Immense player for Chelsea, never in dispute.

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15 Mar 2024 08:03:52
Babbitty, Drogba’s scoring record in his first stint at Chelsea is one goal for every two games played. That’s pretty good IMO.

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15 Mar 2024 16:29:58
Drogba's record was less than one in two. 100 in 226 in the league and 157 in 341 all comps. For a number 9 at a big club, that's respectable but not jaw-dropping. I remember several times Chelsea either trying to replace him or bring in a "better" striker like Shevchenko in 2006, Anelka in 2008 and Torres in 2011. My point is there were a few times when Chelsea thought he could be upgraded upon. I also remember his legend status went up a notch in 2012 after his exploits in the Champions League and FA Cup. I remember him as a decent striker who was handful and turned up in big games but I certainly wouldn't put him in the world-class category.

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15 Mar 2024 20:02:12
Drogba was a brilliant striker in his prime and I would have loved him at Liverpool.

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14 Mar 2024 10:42:03
Ed001 mate is Quansah a player the club expected to be playing first team football for us in cup games etc this season or was he going out on loan. Crazy how an injury to Matip has just fast tracked his career and looks the real deal.

{Ed001's Note - the plan was always to look at him in preseason and make a decision. He did so well in preseason that it was decided to bring him into the first team rather than send him out on loan. I think the idea was to have him replace Matip when his contract expires in the summer though, it has just been moved forward due to the injury.}

14 Mar 2024 11:04:28
He's doing brilliantly so far from what I've seen. Arguably better than Matip yet still only 21. Keep it up Jarell and keep learning from the master alongside you.

We've been lucky he's stepped up this season - I really rate Konate but he seems to struggle to put a long run of games together. Still only 24 though so plenty time to sort that out!

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14 Mar 2024 11:59:51
Think he has been a revelation maybe now we have a class of 24 like the mancs class of 99? Wouldn’t go as far as to say he is better than Matip tho atm. Close tho the lads been brilliant.

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14 Mar 2024 12:18:58
Centre back is not an easy position for a young player to step into at a club the size of Liverpool. He is an exceptional talent. Super excited to see what he can become.

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14 Mar 2024 13:48:09
The lad really is making a name for himself. Thankfully we didn't send him out on loan, he's solid and I see him being so important in the future. This season he's just getting into the swing of things, next season he's all in. Good luck to the lad, if he stays injury free and keeps a level head he's laughing.

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14 Mar 2024 15:14:02
he seems like the perfect replacement for Matip. He's even had flashes of those galivanting runs into the box.

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14 Mar 2024 15:39:41
Our young men have really stood up to be counted when needed this season, but in my eyes the one that allows us to play is Endo, he's the one player that gives other the freedom to play.
Under the raidar of most of the media and some of the fans.

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14 Mar 2024 15:50:34
Plus he is only going to get better and better, when he fills out a bit more, he will be a big unit .

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14 Mar 2024 18:15:55
If Quansah can find an extra yard of pace he’ll be class. We still probably need another CB in the summer with Matip leaving and Konate injury prone though. I’d sign a young left footed CB, and a young attacking left back to hopefully take over from Robertson / Gomez in a few years, Tsimikas should be sold.

Will then have a defence of:
CBs - Virg, Konate, New CB, Quansah, Gomez
RBs - Bradley, Trent, Gomez
LBs - Robbo, Gomez, New LB

Good cover there with Gomez being able to play everywhere. Would be interesting to see if Chambers / Beck could take up the young LB role in pre season.

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15 Mar 2024 02:46:24
Jarell isn't better than Matip but he definitely shows more promise than Williams and Philips.

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