Liverpool banter 9

09 Apr 2024 08:20:12
Hi Eds

Been reading for a while here and finally decided to post with your balanced and straight talking responses .

I remember a certain AVB being young super talented coach who won things in Portugal. went to chelsea and spurs . and let's face it . didn't set anything alight in terms of tactics or success.

Any concerns that the new favourite for our soon to be vacant managers post may follow the same path . or in ypur opinion is he vastly different to bot think about that?

Have a nice day!

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - it is always possible the new man might not be able to make the step up. He will be moving to a new country, dealing with a bigger club that he lacks inside knowledge of and bigger egos in the playing staff. But all the options out there are massive gambles. There is no sure thing, whoever comes in will be a huge gamble.

The difference between Amorim and AVB is experience and a proven track record as a head coach, rather than as an assistant. Amorim has trophies already and taken his team into European competition.}

09 Apr 2024 08:54:22
Ed, do we know how much of the backroom team will go with Klopp yet? I am assuming Mona and Kornmayer will go along with Ljinders, Matos and Big Pete. But what of the goalkeeping, medical, nutrition and conditioning departments?

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea sorry.}

09 Apr 2024 10:28:30
Achtenberg (the goal keeping coach) was from the previous regime and he stayed throughout Klopp's reign. So I imagine he is probably continuing. I hope Taffarel stays on too.

09 Apr 2024 11:46:05
For me it's almost impossible to judge how a manager will step up from a lesser league. I absolutely loved watch ten hag's Ajax team that got to the semis of a champions league. It was fluid, worked hard, pressed, skillful, attacking. Honestly, I really thought United got a good one. And maybe that potential is still there but look how it has gone for him. He clearly wasn't ready for the step up. Certainly his man management of big players doesn't seem great although that is a two way street. He is struggling and most likely will be sacked.

There are plenty of other bright sparks that haven't been able to step up.

So I certainly can't say for sure what will happen with Amorim. Particularly as a person who has only watched 70 minutes of Sporting play live against Benfica and some YouTube stuff.

2 things I think he has going for him that might help with the step up.

1. He smiles and jokes.

It might sound ridiculous but I think that's important. It will help build a better atmosphere on the training ground and help him connect with players and fans. You hope that doesn't make him a soft touch with the players but it doesn't seem that way at sporting where the players look like they would run through a brick wall for him. Liverpool players are no strangers to running through brick walls for a coach, so I think him enjoying himself and passing that onto the players is a good thing. It would be hard to go from Klopp to a coach who gives little of his personality away and is strictly business ruling with an iron fist. I don't think the Liverpool players would respond to that type of management. So I think he has the right personality.

2. Defence wins championships

He is a balanced coach that plays decent quick attacking football from what I saw but I cannot say for sure if his attacking structures will take off in the premier league from what I saw. I would hope they would. But defence on the other hand. I think that will certainly work in the premier league. It looks like all his players love defending. Every one of them scanning, filling in for each other, talking to one another, getting in challenges, being brave. The structure is great in my opinion. It's very difficult to go centrally through then. They push you to the wing and then suffocate you. I like it. Hard to see it not being very effective in the premier league if he gets the players but in.

If Alonso is definitely a no go (I would go ask again with a brief case full of money and a golden left boot engraved personally by Salah with a lovely message to Alonso. Probably allow another two weeks for Salah to complete a crash course in engraving. )

If it's still a no, then I think from everything I've seen, heard and read, then I think Amorim is our best bet. He really has had almost nothing but success so far. He is on the up. I think like Ed said, everyone is a gamble, I think I would gamble on him ahead of the others.

09 Apr 2024 07:41:46
Ed’s serious question, where have all the worlds top strikers gone; remember the 90s 00s they was a surplus of really top strikers, seem few and far between now.

{Ed001's Note - they got old and retired mate. Same happened to Pele and Maradona as well.}

09 Apr 2024 09:30:44
But where is the new generation, there seems a seriously lack of quality of strikers in the majority of leagues and nationalities. Take England for instance apart from harry kane there are no more top class English forwards whereas we had shearer sheringham fowler Cole Owen Ferdinand ect.

{Ed001's Note - because everyone is taught the same - how to pass, pass, pass and pass some more and to avoid giving the ball away by doing things like shooting.}

09 Apr 2024 20:15:16
Spot on, Ed01. Strikers back then were mavericks who were allowed to flourish with the talent they had naturally. Coaches built a system that would allow their natural ability to shine.

Now with Haaland as the big example here, he makes the same runs, the same movements all the time cos that’s how Pep wants him to do them hence, he cannot freelance using his natural ability. If he does, Pep is onto him like a rash. Sad.

09 Apr 2024 20:50:35
Nobody likes a brown nose WOli.

09 Apr 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ork has posted a new article entitled, The case for keeping Erik ten Hag at Manchester United

09 Apr 2024 07:30:14
Have we now mathematically qualified for Champions League football next year?

09 Apr 2024 07:56:05
Technically no because there are currently only 4 spots for the champions league and we are 11 points off 5th with 21 available.

But it is looking increasely likely that there will be an extra spot awarded for the coefficient points due to how well the English teams are progressing in the european competitions but it is not decided yet.

If we do get the 5 spots then yes, we are 22 points infront of Man U in 6th.

09 Apr 2024 07:02:32
Hello ed1 hope u well. Have u heard anything as regards trent, jota or Allison availability for games this week? beit atlanta thurs or palace sunday. They where to be back in training this week According to reports.

{Ed001's Note - they are meant to be back at the weekend mate.}

09 Apr 2024 07:16:20
Cheers ed1. That good news, we need them back badly. hopefully they hit the ground running but they have all been out a long time at this stage so we will have to see.

08 Apr 2024 16:25:14
If Man City are found guilty of some of the 115 offences, is it realistic that their past Premier League titles maybe stripped? - if so does that mean LFC will 'inherit' 2 PL titles as they finished runners up to them twice?

08 Apr 2024 16:55:49
No that won’t happen.

08 Apr 2024 17:00:38
Not a chance. It will probably go down as no one winning it for those years.

08 Apr 2024 17:15:34
£10 pound fine and told to sit on the naughty step which they will appeal and get awarded 3 free pens and 5 offside calls in any games they chose.

08 Apr 2024 17:40:12
Is there any update on the PGMOL gaslighting one of our fans?

08 Apr 2024 17:42:50
Anything less then all titles striped with a ban from Europe for as long as they have cheated is a farce, mite as well say cheating pays off in football if its less would also say jail time would happen in any other business but this is football.

08 Apr 2024 17:43:16
I hope not.

08 Apr 2024 18:08:18
———-please keep the ignorant bile to yourself————

08 Apr 2024 18:48:48
Noted. I’ll keep my opinion (ignorant bile) on the outcome of City’s charges to myself 🫡.

08 Apr 2024 19:18:26
If they are striped, which is my best guess based on the number of titles I wouldn't want them passed to us. I'd prefer they go down as no winner. Imagine getting 2 or 3 titles as the second placed team, it just wouldn't sit right imo.

08 Apr 2024 19:26:04
Nothing will happen. No point speculating. Cheats always prosper, fact of life. Move on.

08 Apr 2024 20:28:33
They’ll probably give them another title just for brown envelopes they’ve all had off them.

08 Apr 2024 20:36:15
By the time their hearing comes around, the PL clubs will have voted to remove the punishment of points deductions.

{Ed025's Note - spot on Paisley..

08 Apr 2024 20:59:47
They should probably be docked 2 points per charge = 230 points 😁.

08 Apr 2024 21:13:21
What would be the benefit if they were stripped of their titles and the 2nd places teams retroactively declared the winner? It won't give us fans the experience of having won the two titles we were runner up for. Not really

Although it would make Ole Gunnar Solksjaer a league winning manager. Which is hilarious.

08 Apr 2024 21:14:33
Hope not Paisley, only real deterrent for cheats.

08 Apr 2024 21:42:37
And Brendan Rogers Sr.

If City don’t win the league this season I wouldn’t be surprised to see them docked like 20 points but they’ll likely have won the CL so will still qualify for it next season and finish like 8th as a punishment and that will be that.

08 Apr 2024 21:56:44
Relegation is the best outcome.

08 Apr 2024 22:16:12
Ron, I love that idea. If only mate.

08 Apr 2024 22:17:35
I actually would be totally fine with us being awarded them retroactively. If they cheated then them titles should have been ours.
I’m sure in the olympics when they find dopers the medal gets handed down to the next placed athlete? Or did I make that up?
In any case though, the titles are less of an issue for me, throw them straight out the football league altogether for me. 👋🏼.

08 Apr 2024 22:25:09
I can see a few more Brown envelopes.

08 Apr 2024 22:30:09
Spread the 230 points over the next 5 seasons.
Take 46 points off this season then start on -46 for each of the next 4 😂.

09 Apr 2024 03:56:49
Didn't think about that JK. Although as limited as I think BR is, Ole winning the league is funnier.

09 Apr 2024 08:34:28
Relegated two divisions abd stripped of the league titles they win would suit me.

09 Apr 2024 10:45:22
VictorVaughn is usually a bit too negative for me most of the time, but I'm with him on this one. Nothing of any consequence is going to happen to ManCity. At the most a slap on the hand; I even doubt any points deduction, let alone stripping of titles. The owners of ManCity cannot afford or tolerate the slightest mass public embarrasment of any kind, and neither can the FA or Premier League. They will work on it together to ensure minimal damage in the public's mind. It's a 115 count of offences, for God's sake. That's simply huge. I just have doubts anything big will stick on to ManCity.

Having said all that, I do hope they get what they deserve if they are found to be guilty of those offences.

It's all just very curious to me, because I am not from the football establishment and simply a distant observer. With offences dating back to the 21/ 22 season, Everton have swiftly been penalized with point deductions, twice, and have high chances of being relegated. ManCity with offences dating back t least a decade are still to face the music. Again, I don't know the exact reasons, but just imagine me sitting here with raised eyebrows and a smirk on my face.

{Ed001's Note - Everton's case was about submitted accounts wherein they admitted failing to adhere to ffp. Man City have been systematically covering up offences and submitting false accounts. Unlike Everton, they have lied about their guilt, when everyone knows they are guilty, but that requires it to be proven, rather than it just being a judgement required.}

09 Apr 2024 16:56:04
Yes we will be awarded any years we finished runners up and any matches we lost to City will become null and void and points added to any seasons total accordingly There will also be an open top bus parade through the city to celebrate these previous years titles.

09 Apr 2024 17:33:29
My understanding was they were already found guilty but the process took so long nothing can now be done. Hence they introduced a fast track system which is now being used to punish Everton, Forest and potentially Leicester? Might have that entirely wrong but I'm sure that's what some of the eds said.

09 Apr 2024 21:36:28
Wyred we wouldn't be a second place we would be champions because they should not of won the titles they aledgedly cheated i would take both titles with a blink of an eye mate and so would man u . So stop being so rightous mate.

08 Apr 2024 16:18:49
As frustrating as it was to drop 2 points against a team we should have won, we are still in the title race, very much so.

I think Arsenal will drop points in at least one game and even if City win all their games, we MUST win all our remaining 7 games - tough to do but I think we will do it - just. Regardless of yesterday and poor finishing plus mistakes, we are still playing exceptionally well.

At the beginning of the season, I would have bitten your hand off where we are now - 1 trophy in the bag and challenging for the title in probably the most exciting race for years. I would have settled for a trophy and top four this season (of course we did not know JK was leaving).

08 Apr 2024 16:44:40
BS (no pun intended, btw), that's the spirit, man. The Utd game hurts BUT it's gone now so no point being all sore about it. We have to look to the next game now vs Atalanta in the EL. Had we lost to Utd then for sure, that would have been severely damaging on a psychological level. City are still behind us and Arsenal are top on GD. Bro, it could have been worse if you look at things overall

After this week, all 3 clubs have their chances of winning the title intact rgardless and that is why the rescued point yesterday is that important, IMO.

The only thing we screwed up is that the margin for error we had has now gone with 7 games to play which I was hoping would be prolonged for longer. Alas, it did not happen. Now, it is time to act and get it done. Right now, it's win all 7 or bust. It is what it is.

@Davey Sulls, will you start the countdown?

08 Apr 2024 18:24:03
We are going to thrash someine 8-0 at home before the end of season.
So C. Palace odds is 150/ 1
Remember you heard it here first.

08 Apr 2024 19:01:20
Crazily we have scored the most goals this season out of any team in the top 5 leagues.

Yes a big factor of this is down to us scoring 28 goals in the Europa but we’re still 2nd top scorers in the league and have Salah who is 3rd top scorer and Nunez 12th, Jota 15th Diaz 23rd top scorers in the league.

Whilst missing chances seems to be out problem id say a bigger one is not keeping clean sheets. We don't have to score lots of goals past teams and 1 nil wins would still get us 3 points.

We've only managed to keep 9 clean sheets this season which is the same as Everton. If we shut up shop better then that will take the pressure off the forwards.

08 Apr 2024 19:27:52
Two things, I’ve stuck a fiver on us beating Palace 8-0 (what’s the worst that could happen? ) . Second, JK is 100% correct. Stop conceding sloppy goals, stop letting teams have a chance, then we give ourselves a chance.

08 Apr 2024 22:33:46
Agreed JK and VV.
Klopp’s philosophy is almost like NBA.
Throw men forward high risk high reward.

Bet on our defenders and keeper being able to keep them out.

It’s entertaining for sure, but I think it might soon have had its day.

09 Apr 2024 06:15:25
I agree, giving sloppy goals has been our issue. Keeping clean sheet will help us win games.

09 Apr 2024 09:13:19
Thats why I can't see us winning all our remaining games. Arsenal are far better defensively and more clinical then us. And City are just a crazy squad.
If we are talking about dropping points, only we look like the team that will
Arsenal are blasting teams away, and city will always get a result, into their usually strongest period of the year.
We however will always concede against anyone.