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17 Mar 2024 20:58:14
Very frustrating watching that today. Complacent start, extremely wasteful middle and extremely tired ending.

Was surprised to see Bradley not start. I really don't rate Joe Gomez at RB - prefer to see him at LB, even over Robbo. Otherwise the lineup was strong.

Was also surprised by the tactics. We seemed to be happy to play them man for man across the big pitch which doesn't suit Endo and Mac Allister. Felt like the Emirates league game again. Huge gaps when the ball was turned over.

Subbing off Salah and Szobo wasn't ideal but they are only just back from injury so can understand if it was medically necessary. Gakpo really struggled to get into the game and also took away some of Darwin's constant threat against the United CBs.

That 5 on 2 counterattack with Gakpo was soooooo frustrating!

Big shout out to Quansah who was brilliant all game.

The main thing is that this competition wasn't the priority. I hope we learn from it as we're back there again in three weeks time for a much more important game.

17 Mar 2024 21:37:27
Salah played 90 minutes on Thursday, in what was essentially a dead rubber game. Klopp then takes him off in a knock out competition that was finely balanced. Oh, and Salah is not playing for Egypt in the upcoming internationals. So all in all it was a complete disaster from Klopp and Pep on the sub side of things. Which is becoming all to familiar.

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17 Mar 2024 21:46:58
When we had the 5 on 2 and didn't score I knew we would regret it, said it on another fourm straight away.
We were far too casual when we were in control and we should have scored another two.
Joe didn't play well but he also had two or three attacker to face at times.
How we lost to this shower I don't know but honestly, once we learn from this and don't repeat it in the league game, then I'm OK with it.

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17 Mar 2024 23:09:23
Can someone please tell me what Gakpos position actually is because I’m not seeing what he offers at times?

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17 Mar 2024 23:12:24
The thing is we have played them twice this season and they have come away with the results they wanted on both occasions.

That today has given them a huge boost, and they won't fear us when we go back to the sh. thole on 7th April.

Only ourselves to blame.

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17 Mar 2024 23:31:51
Alonso we have more goal involvements from subs than any team in the premier league this season.

Stop making stuff up it’s embarrassing.

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18 Mar 2024 07:17:29
I’d say on balance, Klopp and co have got the subs right over the course of the season. So I’m calling bullsh*t on the “all too familiar” line.

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18 Mar 2024 07:23:51
Agree with you on the issue of subs, beckers pecker.

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17 Mar 2024 20:16:18
It's been a long time since we played well at old trafford. That place seems to have as much of a hex on the team as Real Madrid.

17 Mar 2024 20:25:45
You mean the 5-0?

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18 Mar 2024 07:42:23
How about the 4-2 that also should have been 5 when Jota nearly broke the post?

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18 Mar 2024 08:50:37
My goodness we missed Jota yesterday.

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17 Mar 2024 20:15:18
We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Let's not allow one set back to deter us from premier league glory or the Uefa Cup. Team has been amazing in the last few weeks. Given every ounce of energy in league and Europe. Today is a huge disappointment, but we stay together and march forward to league success. No blaming or finger pointing.

We're better than that. Let utd have their rare moment in the sun. They would swap everything for what we have and will still do this season. They won't win the fa Cup anyway, so let them scream deluded comments over the next few days. We aim higher than the fa Cup, League and Europe men. We march forward, heads held higher, together.

17 Mar 2024 20:42:16
KingKiev. I appreciate the positivity. But I don’t give to craps about United, their fans, how they celebrate and what they are feeling. Or if they go onto win the FA Cup for that matter. I only care about my team and winning the competitions we are in. I understand defeats happen but when you consider it’s a poor United side we lost to, it’s disappointing to say the least.

What ultimately sealed our fate was our end product and Klopp’s customary bizarre sub choices. Anyways, games gone and we can’t turn back time. We have to bounce back starting with Brighton at the end of the month. Because the thought of our season ending the same way as the “almost won the quadruple” season with just the Carabao Cup, would be an utter failure. No matter which way any poster would try to spin it.

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17 Mar 2024 20:50:58
Should never have lost to what, let's be honest, is a very poor united side. I just hope this isn't a damaging defeat confidence wise that sees a downturn in performances at the wrong time of the season. Hopefully the lads dust themselves down and move on quickly.

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17 Mar 2024 04:32:58
I was just informed that we haven won an FA CUP match at OT for 100 years!

Let's hope we put that right today!

17 Mar 2024 06:44:43
That sounds ominous but I imagine we've only played them a handful of times in the Fa cup at OT. But your right, let's hope we put that right today.

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17 Mar 2024 08:34:18
If we can’t beat the current United team we don’t deserve to be in the Cup.

On a good day they are average.

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17 Mar 2024 09:43:02
Yeah, it’s a meaningless stat. In that time we’ve probably played them at Old Toilet in the cup five or six times. 3 of our last visits in the cup have also come in the last 25 years - both in 1999 and 2011 when United were better than us in almost every metric, and then in 2021 when Liverpool spent most of the season with either no or rookie center backs.
We are a better team than United by orders of magnitude, and should be winning today’s game.

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17 Mar 2024 10:21:07
Didn't we beat villa in a semi final there? The year of those white suits? I could be mistaken though, so apologies if I'm wrong.

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17 Mar 2024 12:49:34
@Sgynwa, the more pressing question is how many times have we played them at OT in the FA Cup to begin with. I do remember seeing us lose there in the 98/ 99 season and in the 10/ 11 season, losing both by one goal. Apart from that, I don't know.

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17 Mar 2024 13:40:42
We'll beat them. They are nothing on us. Bring them in.

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17 Mar 2024 18:11:27
And we lost it after dominating for so long in the second half! So sad! But we keep going.

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17 Mar 2024 18:16:36
Cursed, we looked like a relegation team after going to 2-1, none of our normal class showed.

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17 Mar 2024 18:26:00
Don’t predict anymore Salah mate.

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17 Mar 2024 18:46:17
We looked like a relegation team the entire game. Only kelkeher, vvd and quansah can stand up in that dressing room. Of all places to get arrogant or bottle it, I’m unsure which, we go and do it there. Those players let Klopp down big time today. Could be a crystal ball into what it will be like without Klopp. Some massive prima Donna’s out there today. Maybe we were just copying Utd. Devastated.

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17 Mar 2024 18:46:39
DeanW, I wouldn't go that far with the relegation team stuff. Would a relegation team dominated Utd as long as we did esp. after got a hold of the game in the final 15 of the first half and equalized and took the lead? I know you're upset and so am I BUT let's not get too hysterical here.

We deserved to lose with the way we threw that game away after dominating the whole second half till that point and with the obscene amount of chances and openings we had and missed them all. That is poor management, unprofessional, careless and a lack of desire and attention to detail. The WHOLE team is responsible here and that includes the manager, IMO.

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17 Mar 2024 19:10:52
Ten Haag made the right substitutions at the right time for his team. Klopp did the exact opposite and killed us when we was on top.
Also Anyone who watches us frequently, attends games. Have you notIced The use of Elliot and Bradley at the same time also makes us very weak physically and it’s a bad combination of the 2 players at the same time? Something I’ve noticed often and even when dominating Games at home

Can’t make the same mistakes in a couple weeks.

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17 Mar 2024 19:14:45
Wow, some overreactions here. It was a bad day at the office. Unfortunately It happens. We were the better side and should have put the game to bed but we were sloppy as well as unlucky, for example, Endo's goal was only marginally offside and Bruno arguably should have seen a second yellow. I think you also have to bear in mind the schedule. We've been playing two games a week with a threadbare squad while United have been like chihuahuas having dumped themselves out of Europe and the Carabao. As the game wore on, you could tell we were flagging while United still seemed fresh.

I can't wait for when Trent, Jones, Alisson, Jota and Bajcetic come back in a few weeks as it will help us massively dealing with two games a week. Having said that, I can no longer defend Gakpo. He only seems to turn up against scrubs which would explain why he looked good in the Eredivisie. He's looked completely out of his depth this season and got shown up by the youngsters against Southampton. Unless something dramatically changes, we might have to start looking for another forward.

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17 Mar 2024 19:32:13
Exactly, @Babbity.

@LFC08 as for the subs, Klopp made the subs he made based on the legs he had available with all the games we have been playing and all the injuries we have had. While Ten Hag had no such issues and had a full week to prepare and have been playing a lot less games cos they are crap and couldn't be arsed to do a damn thing in other comps so before you slate Klopp for subs being right or wrong, context is needed here.

As for the so called "less physicality" with Harvey and Bradley, we have played them both in games in the past (look no further than the City game last week) and they have stood up to the test physicality wise so I have no idea what that statement means but we move.

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17 Mar 2024 20:00:29
I don’t care if we get outplayed and lose, but when we dominate and throw it away that burns.

Lack of execution. Something the next man needs to work on.

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17 Mar 2024 20:08:59
Got exactly what we deserved. Bad day at the office and legs went are two things I don’t want to hear. Players were tired. Well, Klopp played our full strength team only a few days ago so who’s fault is that. The players have to shoulder responsibility for the not finishing our chances. But Klopp killed our momentum with his subs. I sound like a broken record as I have said it many times. Klopp and subs just don’t go together. He is a great manager but for years his sub choices have been weird and are getting more bizarre as the years go on. Not just today but you only have to look back to the City game where he killed our momentum with his sub.

Firstly, why take off Robbo? Secondly, Szobo improved in the second half, so why take him off? Thirdly, no matter if Salah is not at his best. You never take off your top goal scorer in a knock out competition. Especially for Gakpo, out of what I can only imagine is some sort of loyalty because it can’t be form. So if Klopp gets the plaudits for bringing through the youngsters and everything else. He should also get criticised when his decisions are contributing to costing us games!

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17 Mar 2024 20:29:10
You want them all to get injured again! Have you learned nothing Alonso. You would be the first one jumping up and down if they got injuries again which would have obviously been very likely.

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17 Mar 2024 21:18:50
Salah was awful all game. Keeping him on would have been loyalty. He was right to be subbed. Nunez should have been taken off after 20 mins. One of worst performances in an lfc shirt at OT I’ve ever seen. legs in midfield were gone from the start and the inverted Gomez thing was awful yet again, that’s klopps fault I’ll give you that. Elliot did ok when he came on but again and again he hits his stupid inside pass to the opposition. Surely this must have been pointed out to him. Agreed, def Wrong to take Robbo off. Szob had a good first 10 games for us but he’s been poor since then especially his tackling us poor for a midfielder and he gets caught up the pitch with no attempt to get back. Most players were off the pace and couldn’t be arsed today in one of the biggest games of the season. Awful.

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17 Mar 2024 22:45:31
No I was asking fans that attend some games Oli.
It’s not something you’ll pick up on yet.

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17 Mar 2024 23:39:34
Dearie me.
Who is going to pick up all the toys being chucked out the prams?
Good job Klopp is going, eh?
Everyone is a supporter during a winning streak, one defeat in a close pulsating cup tie soon exposes the "sing when yer winning" types.

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18 Mar 2024 00:02:33
Mark08. Huh? Sorry mate but I don’t get your post. Simply because most if not all our players were played in a dead rubber game only a few days ago. Some were even played for the full 90 when it wasn’t necessary. This is not me concocting a narrative from nowhere. Many fans have said the same thing. Not just on that but the baffling sub choices, which I’ve been saying for too long to remember now. That kind of directly goes against what you are saying about me supposedly wanting my players injured again. But each to their own, I guess.

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18 Mar 2024 11:28:48
Alsonso1786 - Doesn't Liverpool have the best stats for Subs this season?

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16 Mar 2024 17:06:21
This is very old and dated
But have always been curious
What happened to Coutinho?

When he was with us, he was the superstar.
Yes, he did went on to win a few titles and had a treble with CL with Bayern
But you could say he only had one season with Barcelona where he was a first teamer, the rest of the seasons, he was more part of the squad but definitely not a key player per say
Don't think he would mind the medals he has and he probably would have won about the same amount had he stayed. But he did probably be more loved and more of a first teamer I would guess had he stayed. He definitely will be or perhaps already a forgotten figure among Barcelona and BM fans

Just learned that these days he plays in Qatar and is out of the Brazil team though only 31.

16 Mar 2024 17:22:29
He’s found out that the grass is not always greener on the other side.

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16 Mar 2024 17:56:52
How many ex players truly move on to more fruitful pastures? Suarez. any other obvious ones? ✌.

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16 Mar 2024 18:33:21
Xabi, Arbeloa, Mascherano, McManaman.

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16 Mar 2024 19:03:28
Couts was a very good player. His ability to dribble, play through balls, cut inside and shoot was undeniable but There is a massive difference between having ability to do something and then being able to do it within a different team set up to what you are used to. Combine that with us basically setting up to go through him for everything made him look better than what he was. Not saying he wasn't good, but he was never a world class £100m+ player. I'll always remember him fondly though. Firstly for the special moments he provided and secondly for essentially bankrolling Klopp's revolution! Cheers Couts!

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16 Mar 2024 19:15:53
Assumed combination of how player fits tactical (eg focal point or style), relationship with manager/ fans / team and sometimes just age.

Klopp seems to helps with confidence as well as take focus off them. Similarly, remember Barcelona wanting couts to replace iniesta, which aren’t just big shoes to fill but diff players.

Always curious of opposite in what would have happened if player who looked like moving to a certain club would have got it at the time. Remember when linked with konoplyanka under BR thought would have worked well. Fit how we played with SAS, pace to burn and we were limited with attack options from bench…

Also get outliers who I think would succeed where ever (Ronaldo, Suarez, Alonso, Salah) but mean could argue Messi wouldn’t have as his career dropped after Barcelona club wise.

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16 Mar 2024 19:16:40
If coutinho had stayed we might not of got Allison and virg and probably wouldn’t have won very much .

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17 Mar 2024 00:42:44
Very hard to tell but to stay on form at that level you need elite focus and dedication. I suspect he got distracted a little bit and perhaps didn't react in with the right attitude to setbacks.

If you let your focus slip for a year or two, it can be very hard to get back even when you are trying.

But the only people who really know are those closest to Coutinho.

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17 Mar 2024 01:49:50
My memory at the time was that we weren’t going to sell him but the combo of Barcelona interest and Coutinho wanting to Barcelona made it make too much sense to not sell.

Not sure what our squad would have looked like had he stayed. In saying all that I do wish he stayed and kept getting better with us. I think environment and circumstance is as important to a player performing as their own ability and efforts.

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17 Mar 2024 03:55:31
@Westwood, I don’t think that Couts was very good.

He had great moments and some good skills but had too many faults to be very good. The defensive side of his game was weak and he became a passenger when we under pressure.

For me he was at his best when we were in control of a game although he didn’t generally do that much to put us in control.

He had great games but not enough and he never really looked like he could take the lead for us (or subsequent clubs) in controlling a game.

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17 Mar 2024 10:48:58
I never saw Couts as a superstar. He never really took a game by the scruffof the neck a la Stevie, Suarez, and now Mo and win us a game that we didn't deserve to win.

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17 Mar 2024 12:09:17
Coutinho was a great player and when he left us he was at the time the second best player for the Selecao. Absolutely gutted when he left.

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17 Mar 2024 12:55:24
Cou was our best performing player when Klopp arrived, which just shows how dire we were at the time. By the time Cou left when we became a better team than the one Klopp inherited, he was no longer our best performing player. That would be a new signing (a former PL/ Chelsea reject) who was ripping the PL and CL to pieces, a certain Mohammed Salah.

Klopp himself said that even tho he was going to keep Cou, he was not going to build a team around one player and he said it started costing us in games and the Spurs debacle (4-1 at Wembley) was the example he used as Spurs would pressure him ever time he got the ball and when he was not in possession, they would drop. Cou got the dream move he wanted and hats off to him. That's all I got to say.

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17 Mar 2024 13:31:32
Loved him when he was here, smashing player and was sick when he left. Its true his fee probably bought Alli/ Virg so made us allround stronger but be honest lads, he was a brilliant player. We're doing what we always do where a player suddenly becomes crap when he walks out the door.

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17 Mar 2024 13:45:41
I never understood the hype about the lad, a decent player sure but he wasn't a great player. Scored some important goals for us but he wasn't exceptional like some make out. Personally I was happy to see the back of him.

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17 Mar 2024 18:26:52
This will be controversial, but in my opinion, Coutinho's departure was more impactful on all the titles we won afterwards, than his arrival and stay. Without VVD and Alisson we are nowhere, had these two not been brought in. I have to thank Neymar for bigging him to Barcelona and for Barcelona handing over all that money for a player they have been sending out on loan for 4 consecuive years. Technically very gifted, but still a one-trick pony. This became even more obvious when Mane took over his left wing position and did wonders with it.

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17 Mar 2024 21:02:25
Didn't it all go downhill fast for him once he got that back injury?

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17 Mar 2024 22:39:17
He was a brilliant player for us, but his sale has helped the side progress due to excellent recruitment.

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16 Mar 2024 14:18:08
Edd001 Mason mount, are you glad we missed out on him? Ino it ended up a lot better for us transfer wise with who we brought in but regardless what do you make of his current spell at United, injury problems and if you see him becoming a better player than he was at Chelsea?

{Ed001's Note - yes, we got better players instead so it worked out well.}

16 Mar 2024 16:55:43
I had completely forgotten about that guy.

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16 Mar 2024 17:18:09
Never wanted Mount here BUT would accept it if he was who Klopp wanted. So happy we did not spunk 60m on that guy. Now Mac10 on the other hand? I would have paid double of what we actually paid for him. Worth every single penny, IMO.

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16 Mar 2024 19:10:02
Have to admit that I did want Mount but it's worked out for the better, wouldn't swap any of our current crop for him.

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17 Mar 2024 13:32:12
Same as Westwood.

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16 Mar 2024 11:59:28
Ed1 mainly, came across a video of Riise talking about the golf club incident.
Baffling stuff - was the culture that bad in Liverpool during this time? How can an (aleged) thug like Bellamy be drunk, abusive, violent - 2 days before a big away match in Europe?!
Was it Benitez being just to weak to control the players?

{Ed001's Note - Bellamy just came from a world where that was normal, like Grealish etc, they don't learn professionalism and it affects their career. Rafa wasn't weak and got rid of Bellamy as soon as possible afterwards. Luckily younger players are getting a better education at academy level to avoid the drinking culture that is prevalent in Britain.}

16 Mar 2024 14:05:51
Didn’t Bellamy turn it around later in his career and become more professional? Think I read his agent took him to Africa to see how some people live and he realised he’d been a bit of a twat before after seeing them there?

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16 Mar 2024 14:26:58
I remember getting 8/ 1 odds on that game that if Bellamy scored he would celebrate by swinging an imaginary golf club. It came in obviously. I liked Bellamy when he played for us but couldn't stand him anywhere else. Very mouthy. The game where we played Chelsea in the league Cup just after Gary Speed died was his best game for us. He absolutely tore them to pieces.

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16 Mar 2024 15:39:38
Yeah Squiresy, I hadn't heard who took him and why, but when he was out there he realised how lucky he was to be born in the UK, much less be able to play football for a living. Gave a lot of money to charities and for building work in Africa in the 2nd half of his career. It's one of the reasons he didn't cause any trouble in his second spell here. Too bad he didn't do it when he was 19 or 20.

He's bankrupt now. Apparently a lot his 'friends' and 'advisors' took him for a ride financially.

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16 Mar 2024 15:49:32
Felt in his second stint with us he was way better
More mature, used his pace and experience well and always felt he added that bit of excitement to a rather flat team then whenever he played or came on. But injuries had him by then and he wasn’t always available or could last the full match.

But yes, the Chelsea game he turned it on. In part he said as a tribute to Speed and in part in anger for the lack of respect he felt the Chelsea fans were showing during the minute of silence.

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16 Mar 2024 17:20:26
@SR, the guy took Bellamy to Sierra Leone specifically and that is where everything changed for Bellamy, apparently. When he came back to us under Kenny, he was such a changed man, IMO.

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16 Mar 2024 21:12:52
I played against Bellamy as a 16 year old. He was a tw@t then too.

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17 Mar 2024 08:17:45
Bellers and his inner chimp.
A bit like Robbo with his knack for winding the opposition up, but revered by his own fans.
Cracking player in his pomp, injuries were taking their toll by the time he arrived here for his second spell.
Didn't know he was bankrupt though.

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